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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Mar 26, 2008 20:17:42 GMT -5
Start of Thread VoteCount
CatinaSuit 5 (ryjae,hawkeyeop,sinjin,tdpatriots12,drainbead) Hal Briston 1 (storyteller) Atarus 2 (Rysto,NAF1138)
You guys are ridiculous. And fantastic. But ridiculous.
(12 to start a countdown, by the way)
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Darth Sensitive
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Post by Darth Sensitive on Mar 26, 2008 20:18:15 GMT -5
(Just missed the cut off on the last thread)
Ok - I'm back in with my thoughts. Some of this is coming based off the wiki, and the graphic novels I picked up at the library yesterday! Hush (vol 1) and The Long Halloween. Got em just as color and mood setting, didn't know we had a Hush in the game, which mildly sucks, as I didn't really know what I was getting into, but I'm sacrificing the page turning suspense for you guys on that one! (Already read TLH a few months back).
So - Hush is a childhood friend of Bruce Wayne. No superpowers. A very good shot. Good in hand to hand. (Isn't everyone Batman fights?) And also a master surgeon. Manipulative as hell.
I'm not sure. Maybe playing for keeps. Maybe not. A vig. Maybe a doc. I don't know what that entails if he is indeed playing for keeps. My current thoughts are that he is pfk, or has a mandatory night kill. If not, I think there should be a definite lynch, as a loose cannon vig is a threat to the town. Currently, I don't feel the reasoning for the NK, so I will FoS: CiaS.
And on a different note, to Hal, any of the following on your list?
Oracle Mad Hatter Ra's Al Ghul Red Hood
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Post by sinjin on Mar 26, 2008 20:18:35 GMT -5
Hah, first post.
Fluff if you're counting.
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Hockey Monkey!
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Mar 26, 2008 20:18:36 GMT -5
;D
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Post by Darth Sensitive on Mar 26, 2008 20:20:07 GMT -5
Hah, first post. Fluff if you're counting. Failing at first post is a scumtell!
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Mar 26, 2008 20:20:55 GMT -5
Holy Postpadding, Batman!
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Post by Rysto on Mar 26, 2008 20:21:42 GMT -5
What, you don't think that we're going to hit 1000 posts again without padding things out some, do you?
Oh, and I don't think that Darth Sensitive is in the player list.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Mar 26, 2008 20:23:23 GMT -5
Is Darth replacing Klutz?
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Post by Rysto on Mar 26, 2008 20:26:44 GMT -5
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Mar 26, 2008 20:27:29 GMT -5
Oh, and I don't think that Darth Sensitive is in the player list. Done. What Rysto said.
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Post by Greedy Smurf on Mar 26, 2008 20:40:08 GMT -5
Having all this activity while I'm tucked up in bed is getting annoying. Story has already beaten me to this little dummy spit, but I am getting unbelievably sick of the sheer mountain of nudge nudge, wink wink posts. It's seeming to me that almost half of all the posts have some form of, "Here's this little tidbit of info, but I can't tell you how I know it" Nyeah! Or even worse "I know something you don't know" [imagine that in a little sing song voice ] If nothing else it is doing my head in trying to follow who has "semi-confirmed" who, based 'supposedly' on some private info they have, and whether that person is in any confirmed themselves. The way it is being played now I think we are walking straight into the scum's clutches as it would be so easy for a scum or PFK to subtly drop out a bit of supposedly private info and we have no way of judging the reliability of that. How to fix the problem? I don't know, but my main suggestion is don't drop hints, come out with your info in full, you don't have to name claim with it, but some more context would be very helpful. Not meaning to pick on Santo specifically, but this example came to mind first - rather than an idle allusion that Batman is a killer in this game, come right and say, I know Batman kills in this game because ..... blah blah. Would that be to hard? Anyway to the recent events, I haven't had the opportunity to closely review the case against Atarus yet, but will do so before toDay's deadline. As to Cat, I said very early on that I wouldn't be allowing a name claim to sway me unless it was very compelling, and there was noting compelling about Cat's no claim. So at the moment if no other viable target presents Cat will have my vote.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Mar 26, 2008 20:49:07 GMT -5
Link to Rysto's Post(since I can't quote it, and that post has the link to the case he made) To be honest, I've been a bit surprised at people that have been saying "point me to a better case than Cat and maybe I'll change my vote" when your case was already on the table against me. It kind of reeks of a bit of opportunism if people are so easily forgetting the mistake I made. Or maybe they just don't see it as scummy as somebody killing in the night? I don't know, the mind boggles sometimes. (I'm aware it's a bit unorthodox, but hey, I made a screw-up and some people are acting like the case against CatinaSuit is the only scummy thing that's happened toDay. 'Tis weird.) Link to ryjae's postThis post bothered me. Citing wikipedia and color as damning evidence against somebody isn't good form. There's lots of color, and for goodness sake there's so many iterations of Batman and Batman villains we have no idea what Roosh and Dio are going to base the players in this game off of. (Hell, we might think we're up against Christian Bale's macho Batman, but it could be Adam West Batman for all we know.) I mean sure, I hypothesize about Harley Quinn and the Joker but if somebody comes up Harley Quinn as their role claim, I'm not immediately going to vote for them just because of their name and they "might" be associated with the Joker. I think there's become an unhealthy obsession with the Playing for Keeps folks. We don't even know if the people Playing for Keeps even have the ability to kill anyone. The speculators didn't in Blade Runner. Yes we do have to eliminate them, and yes they won't have the best interests of the town in mind. But we don't know how many are playing for keeps, or if they are individuals or groups. We DO know that the scum are a group. (color removed) Link to ryjae's postThis post bothered me even more. "I'm not saying that all roles correspond with wiki, but I'm basing my assumption that CatinaSuit is playing for keeps based on what I read in the wiki." If the mods have openly stated that they wouldn't get grammar in role PMs break the game, what makes you think they would let wikipedia break the game? I don't know...I feel like the cavalier attitude towards "oh well, we can lose the Vig it's okay" is just bad. Plus, as Hockeymonkey said somewhere else, it's possible Cat has more powers than just being a Vig. I understand people voting for Cat because he hasn't explained sinjin well enough, but this...I dunno, it bugs me.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Mar 26, 2008 20:53:02 GMT -5
Not meaning to pick on Santo specifically, but this example came to mind first - rather than an idle allusion that Batman is a killer in this game, come right and say, I know Batman kills in this game because ..... blah blah. Would that be to hard? Actually, he did, IIRC. I'm pretty sure he said that both Batman is a confirmed killer and Robin is a confirmed good guy based on information in his PM. I can try to find the post he mentions this, but I wanted to throw this out now before we start down a dead-end discussion. (Plus, I can pad the post count with another post if I post the link separately. In a post. )
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Mar 26, 2008 20:56:17 GMT -5
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Mar 26, 2008 20:59:44 GMT -5
Stupid reference link and it's bringing of the fail! Just go to post 498 (i.e. reply 497) in the other thread and you'll see it. It's on page 17.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 26, 2008 21:00:28 GMT -5
Sinjin: I brought up the same observation about the pool of people who participated in the PM quoting on Day 1, and wondering what it was Cat felt stood out about you in that crowd.
As one of my fellow masons is satisfied with his explanation, yet I myself remain somewhat dubious, regardless of the fact that I've already explained why I'm not voting for Cat, I (again) behoove him to come back in here and re-state his reasons, perhaps a bit more thoroughly.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Mar 26, 2008 21:17:47 GMT -5
So I followed Rysto's advice and went back to the case against atarus. While Rysto makes a good point, I wouldn't fry atarus simply based on that. However, the post Santo links to (why does his link work?) seems to scream scum defending their own.
I'll mull it over a bit more and maybe revisit it in the morning, but for now:
vote atarus
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Mar 26, 2008 21:27:02 GMT -5
Just a note about linking to other threads: atarus' links actually take you to the thread in question because they include the page number. You should be able to get a link that will include page # by clicking on 'link to post'. Otherwise, just make sure it's in this format: psychopathgame.proboards106.com/index.cgi?board=tempy&action=display&thread=299&page=15#20091 (underlined portion is missing in those links which link to the start of a thread)
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Post by Death By Irony on Mar 26, 2008 21:29:30 GMT -5
Rysto's link to his argument just drops me onto the beginning of Day 2, but you can find it by searching his most recent posts. (Just CTRL+F on the phrase "vote atarus".)
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Post by Rysto on Mar 26, 2008 21:32:17 GMT -5
Ok, I've figured out why some links are breaking. If you search for a poster's posts and use the "Link To Post" link, the link is broken. If you actually view the post in a thread, the Link to Post link works. So here is the case against atarus. Here is the post by Santos mentioned by Hoopy. I missed it when I summed up the case against atarus.
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Mar 26, 2008 21:32:33 GMT -5
Rysto's link (and the others on this page) is fixed
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Post by sinjin on Mar 26, 2008 21:57:27 GMT -5
Cookies, I'm not understanding this. As I went through your posts I found only this post that addressed Cat's reasons for trying to kill me:
But that really mischaracterizes the Cat post I quoted before doesn't it? He said he tried to off me for being too towny.
And what about the other questions I asked? Specifically; Why did he look at DEAD Koldanar on Night 1? What about the HK bit? And would you not agree that my participation in "role-revealing" was minimal on Day 1? All I said was that a bit of my PM was "not exactly" the same as what others were claiming. I didn't even reveal any of my PM on Day 1.
BTW I find this quote particularly insulting "I would not underestimate the power that laziness can hold over townsfolk with their fingers on the trigger"
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 26, 2008 22:19:35 GMT -5
Cookies, I'm not understanding this. As I went through your posts I found only this post that addressed Cat's reasons for trying to kill me: But that really mischaracterizes the Cat post I quoted before doesn't it? He said he tried to off me for being too towny. And what about the other questions I asked? Specifically; Why did he look at DEAD Koldanar on Night 1? What about the HK bit? And would you not agree that my participation in "role-revealing" was minimal on Day 1? All I said was that a bit of my PM was "not exactly" the same as what others were claiming. I didn't even reveal any of my PM on Day 1. BTW I find this quote particularly insulting "I would not underestimate the power that laziness can hold over townsfolk with their fingers on the trigger" I think my intent with that post was pretty clear. Someone with their ass on the line should not assume that any townies voting for him are necessarily going to go back and dig through past posts (especially in a game this big) to find something that you off-handedly refer to. The burden of persuasion is on the suspected in such a case. Secondly, I had not yet read the post you quoted before when I made that statement. After posting that, I saw Rysto's link and then went to read Cat's more detailed post, which prompted my next post...that apparently Cat's analysis of you and reasons for voting for you were not compelling enough to change the minds of anyone voting for him...which ties back to a question I had previously asked all of those voting for him, when I was unaware that he had already explained why he targeted you. I think it is fairly clear that I can't speak for Cat or clarify anything that he has said, I can share my perspective on what he has said and (more importantly, imho) what he has not said.
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Post by sinjin on Mar 26, 2008 22:34:33 GMT -5
Well, I know I've been drinking a bit of wine tonight and maybe you are too, but I can't for the life of me parse this post. So I think, I'll just leave it for tomorrow when I have all day to reread all posts. Including the, look at me, I'm scummy too Atarus posts.
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Santo Rugger
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Post by Santo Rugger on Mar 26, 2008 23:09:03 GMT -5
This is probably going to be very non chronological, but here are some responses: NAF in 517: I understand that may have not been your point. If that's the case, please quell conversation on B and R not being scum, and I'll stay mum on Masons not having win conditions parallel to mine. Deal? Hoopy in 527: It is not uneven-handed to give scum an investigative role, especially if you consider that every single townie in this game has some type of power. And thanks for the advice on the sig, but I've already got a new one, thanks.
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Santo Rugger
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Post by Santo Rugger on Mar 26, 2008 23:10:50 GMT -5
Okay, I know it's not long, but I"m drunk, so I'm going to catch up on this page in the morning. Or afternoon. Or whenever.
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Mar 27, 2008 3:53:08 GMT -5
It might be a little quick for another VoteCount...
CatinaSuit 5 (ryjae,hawkeyeop,sinjin,tdpatriots12,drainbead) Hal Briston 1 (storyteller) Atarus 3 (Rysto,NAF1138,Hoopy Frood)
But nobody's gonna complain, I think.
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Post by CatInASuit on Mar 27, 2008 4:35:27 GMT -5
Ok, well it seems as though most people would prefer me as some other flavour than my usual Mint Choc Chip self. If only to prevent accidents from happening. I won't be making the same mistake as has happened before, so if need to full claim, I will, although it is not my preferred choice. Cookies, if you would prefer me to sit and read all night, it is a possibility. The only thing I will say is that today has been pretty exclusively stuck on me. I have no problems with this and am probably going to be lynched by the end of the day anyway. A few of the town and all of the scum, it seems, would prefer this. However, this has been a very easy day for the scum, who have been able to sit back and not very do much apart from throw speculation around. I would seriously suggest the townies start doing some analysis on other players other than myself as well, because tomorrow you are probably going to need it. Remember actions speak louder than words.
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Post by CatInASuit on Mar 27, 2008 5:00:18 GMT -5
Santo Rugger - you mentioned this earlier on, but one thing concerns me slightly.
Assumption: sinjin is a pro-town role.
If Batman had attacked sinjin, then sinjin would be able to call out Batman the next Day and get him lynched. This would leave the rest of the Do-Gooders without anyone to carry out their Night kills.
Effectively this would turn the scum group into a mason group reliant on engineering Day lynches to win.
I don't think this is very likely, can you explain further?
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Mar 27, 2008 6:50:08 GMT -5
[/b] in 527: It is not uneven-handed to give scum an investigative role, especially if you consider that every single townie in this game has some type of power.[/quote] I wasn't saying giveing them an investigative role is uneven-handed (rereading I probably wasn't clear), I was saying if we assume they already have one (reasonable under these circumstances, giving them an additional passive investigative power makes it too easy for the town to screw over itself by playing well. "Look, I've discovered scum. I'm going to kill it." "Ha, ha. I'm scum with the ability to not only dodge your kill, but identify your role without me having to do a thing. You played well, but you screwed yourself over because of it. Sucks to be you." Passive powers are extremely powerful. An active power generally needs information to be used effectively. A vig can kill a townie. A town doctor can protect a scum. A town blocker can block town. A town priest can pray with scum. A town detective can investigate town, which at least is useful at sussing out who isn't scum, but not as useful as finding them. Passive powers are automatic. Masons have them in that they automatically know who other masons are. Scum have them in that they already now who the other scum are. The only people screwing over the scum are town, but town gets screwed over by both scum and town. Penalizing town for playing well by revealing extra information to scum, is what seems uneven-handed to me.
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