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Post by ryjae on Apr 3, 2008 15:13:17 GMT -5
All this second guessing based on the names is really starting to bug me. Did we learn nothing from Top Dog, Kaylee and Ramiro not to mention the Chia Bingo Master? I thought we weren't going to do this again. Only name that bugs me is the one not on Hal's list. Not sure if that's fair though. Even though I didn't particularly care for his pokes at me, it is the game. Enough with the Moth though. At least he is giving us something to look at. BlaM though, I hope he comes in soon and tries to say something because zuma has him about fried. And I will be voting for him before tonight is over if he doesn't have anything to say. Because Zuma's actions made no sense, as someone else stated, we are doing fine. And he was acting like he was going to lose.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Apr 3, 2008 15:14:58 GMT -5
No to mention, we have two people who claim to be able to investigate name claims. Why jump the gun if a claimed detective can confirm things for us? Exactly. I can't confirm anyone's alignment, but I can sure as hell find out if they were lying about their name now. Well, provided I don't get killed.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Apr 3, 2008 15:18:56 GMT -5
No to mention, we have two people who claim to be able to investigate name claims. Why jump the gun if a claimed detective can confirm things for us? Exactly. I can't confirm anyone's alignment, but I can sure as hell find out if they were lying about their name now. Well, provided I don't get killed. And provided I don't kill them!
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Post by Rysto on Apr 3, 2008 15:21:53 GMT -5
Well, if you kill them you confirm their alignment...
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Post by Hal Briston on Apr 3, 2008 15:22:19 GMT -5
Exactly. I can't confirm anyone's alignment, but I can sure as hell find out if they were lying about their name now. Well, provided I don't get killed. Exactly. Well, and provided you don't accidentally kill them. Of course, that would still confirm their name, so hey, win-win! BlaM though, I hope he comes in soon and tries to say something because zuma has him about fried. And I will be voting for him before tonight is over if he doesn't have anything to say. Because Zuma's actions made no sense, as someone else stated, we are doing fine. And he was acting like he was going to lose. My feelings as well. Something was very, very not-quite-right there, and unfortunately for him, BLaM is left holding the bag. Definitely time for some defense.
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Post by brewha on Apr 3, 2008 15:25:42 GMT -5
At the risk of looking like a wagon jumper:
Vote BlasterMaster
Way back, after Zuma did his thing about the penis touching club and haphazard name claim, I asked him to clarify his role. I asked him if some of the format of the PM had been omitted. And, if it had, could he post it. Then, after Zuma's burn out, I asked the same thing to BM.
I haven't even gotten an acknowledgement that I had asked a question by either of them. Here's what bothered me.
In Zuma's role claim, it was meant to look like he copied and pasted his PM directly into the post. Except he omitted certain parts - or rather he replaced his given skills with a 'fuck you'. Here's what gets me. The flavor portion of my PM ends with : [From Wikipedia, feel free to study it and learn more about yourself]
Zuma ommited that line from his role claim. I checked out the Wiki article on Joe Cool and it matches his claim almost exactly - which means the text was likely from Wiki. Other people who have pasted their role PM's also had the bracketed text at the end of the flavor portion - which leads me to believe that everyone got that little snippet at the end.
So, why was it omitted from Zuma's claim? I have no idea. Maybe it's the Mods being Bastards. Maybe he just decided to not copy the whole thing. Or maybe - just maybe - he made the whole thing up. And, since no one would acknowledge my question, that's the one I'm going with.
Sorry to put you in this situation, BM.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 3, 2008 15:29:43 GMT -5
I'm not going to vote for him right now, because I'd like to see Blaster Master make some kind of a statement before we string him up by the thumbs. But it's been a (real-life) week, almost, and so I will state my willingness to join this bandwagon if nothing has been heard from that quarter by mid-day tomorrow.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Apr 3, 2008 15:36:28 GMT -5
Ah yes, the Riddler. Duh. That must've been the chunk of gum that escaped my mouth and drooled down my chin earlier today...
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Post by Darth Sensitive on Apr 3, 2008 16:06:23 GMT -5
Mods - can you prod BlaM on the dope - hasn't logged in on here since the 1st.
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Post by RoOsh on Apr 3, 2008 16:12:09 GMT -5
Mods - can you prod BlaM on the dope - hasn't logged in on here since the 1st. Prodded
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Apr 3, 2008 16:14:25 GMT -5
I think we may need to migrate to the 2nd thread of the Day. I'm getting some odd behavior trying to find some posts with searching...
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Post by Blaster Master on Apr 3, 2008 16:20:40 GMT -5
Holy shit, people, I can't read for a day (as I'm off on Wednesdays to handle other matters of life), and I spend most of today handling the other game since it was Day end... and there's another 12 pages to read on top of what I still had to read from before. Maybe I shouldn't even bother finishing catching up, because at this rate, it looks like I'll be lynched by about the time I finish reading.
I'm trying to catch up, but I've still got about another 40-50 pages to read, so I doubt I'll get any real meaningful contribution done Today, muchless today. I probably shouldn't have volunteered to sub in...
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Apr 3, 2008 16:30:26 GMT -5
Understandable, but it still sucks.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Apr 3, 2008 16:42:41 GMT -5
A couple of thoughts I had on my commute home.
No matter what happens, we'll have to lynch Joker at some point. Don't get me wrong, I don't think we lynch him toDay. I'm willing to give Santo some breathing room because he can be an aid to us. We can likely rule out fake name claim, because no one else has claimed Joker and we clearly have had Joker-like Daykills. I don't think he's scum, because for scum to put themselves out like that is very dangerous especially since they've only lost one member at this point. It's too early for desperation moves. He's not town, because he'd have no reason to lie about not being town if he was town. So, it's safe to believe that he's PFK.
Now that being said, we can't really trust that his win condition of vigging the bat and becoming town is true. It's possible he just has to survive. And if a PFK wins, the town loses. There is no mod confirmation that he becomes town if he vigs the bat. Our name claim really gave Santo no choice but to come out. If he didn't, it'd be pretty obvious he's Joker anyway and would be pretty much insta-lynch. At least with what he's disclosed, he's bought himself some time to still win, especially if his win condition is as stated. (If he doesn't vig Batman before he dies, he loses regardless.) But we can't assume that our win condition will necessarily become his. The only way we'll know for sure is to lynch him after he vigs Batman. If Batman dies from a lynch, or we enough scum get whacked before Batman, we'll have to lynch him anyway to make sure he can't steal our win.
Now, the other thing I was thinking about was the shark repellent and the dead shark situation. We know there were no NK's the first night. One attack was avoided through special power. The only other revealed event was NAF being hit with shark repellent. I'm wondering if what we encountered was a scum special power. Possibly something along the lines of a chance to get multiple kills in a night in exchange for spending the previous night delineating one person who would be immune to the effect. (It may even have been a mason-specific attack, as in you need to have at least one mason claimed, you exempt that person, and the rest of the masons die.) Now it's possible that protectors and blockers got lucky and there were more events that might have taken place that night, but if Batman's a killer, and he got an action off that was to throw shark repellent on NAF, I think there was something much more insidious in the works, particularly since the shark showed up last night.
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Post by Blaster Master on Apr 3, 2008 16:50:06 GMT -5
In light of the fact that I simply cannot finish reading the game, develop a case, and defend myself, I'm going to try to focus on defense the best I can with my lack of back information. OK, I want to do another summary post, outlining all the claims and information we have to date, but first, I do have a question: Why, precisely, has zuma (now Blaster Master) so completely escaped serious scrutiny? (heh. Sorry, Blaster. Here we go again, though through no fault of your own, obviously). Just to review, in two game Days, zuma: - Expressed a frustrated "I'm never going to win" vibe, in spite of the fact that we have seen two anti-Town deaths versus only two pro-Town deaths, which makes little sense from the standpoint of a pro-Town player. - Done several wildly inconsistent things, such as castigate Hoopy Frood for name-claiming under minimal pressure and then immediately thereafter name-claiming himself under no pressure. - Evidently flat out lied about having a post restriction. - Claimed to be Batman. I know it seems a bit overobvious, but should we be looking at this a little more carefully? Rightly so, zuma's play has been wildly bizarre and inconsistent. I don't have any notes from him explaining why he chose to play the way that he did, I can only guess based upon the information in the role PM that I received. As such, anything I say can only be a theory at best, but I think I have a fairly good guess at why he might have chosen to play that way. That said, I'd prefer to avoid directly stating my powers if possible, but I can see how one would see a good way to play these powers as trying to garner attention from the town, particularly negative attention, such that the scum wouldn't think it to be productive to target him.
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Post by ryjae on Apr 3, 2008 16:51:59 GMT -5
In light of the fact that I simply cannot finish reading the game, develop a case, and defend myself, I'm going to try to focus on defense the best I can with my lack of back information. OK, I want to do another summary post, outlining all the claims and information we have to date, but first, I do have a question: Why, precisely, has zuma (now Blaster Master) so completely escaped serious scrutiny? (heh. Sorry, Blaster. Here we go again, though through no fault of your own, obviously). Just to review, in two game Days, zuma: - Expressed a frustrated "I'm never going to win" vibe, in spite of the fact that we have seen two anti-Town deaths versus only two pro-Town deaths, which makes little sense from the standpoint of a pro-Town player. - Done several wildly inconsistent things, such as castigate Hoopy Frood for name-claiming under minimal pressure and then immediately thereafter name-claiming himself under no pressure. - Evidently flat out lied about having a post restriction. - Claimed to be Batman. I know it seems a bit overobvious, but should we be looking at this a little more carefully? Rightly so, zuma's play has been wildly bizarre and inconsistent. I don't have any notes from him explaining why he chose to play the way that he did, I can only guess based upon the information in the role PM that I received. As such, anything I say can only be a theory at best, but I think I have a fairly good guess at why he might have chosen to play that way. That said, I'd prefer to avoid directly stating my powers if possible, but I can see how one would see a good way to play these powers as trying to garner attention from the town, particularly negative attention, such that the scum wouldn't think it to be productive to target him. Snip out your powers and post your PM if you could?
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Post by Blaster Master on Apr 3, 2008 16:55:39 GMT -5
I know. But if the game ends at whatever point and it turns out that zuma was Batman, won't you kind of want to wear a Dunce cap for a year? I am definitely NOT Batman. Please refer to reply #54 (quoted below) from Diomedes who Mod confirms the zuma definitely is not Batman. As for why zuma may have claimed that other than the theory I just presented... I don't know, I haven't read up that far, all I know is that he claimed it. I'd planned on making the announcement that zuma had been replaced by Blaster Master this morning. Unfortunately, I've only just been able to log onto the boards (due to the outages that have been mentioned above). All of ProBoards seemed to be having problems. I should add that zuma was not replaced because he claimed to be Batman (he's not), nor because he violated his post restriction (which he didn't have), nor because he told the mods to fuck themselves (which they haven't done. Or, at least, I haven't). He was replaced for deleting his account during the end of a Day. Please do not delete your account ,even if you have intentions of setting it back up: during the time it's deleted, the mods can't contact you, and other players can't search your posts.
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Post by Blaster Master on Apr 3, 2008 16:59:11 GMT -5
Snip out your powers and post your PM if you could? I did read up to the point where zuma posted the role PM before. With the exception of a lack of bolding in a couple spots (which would be lost from a copy and past, unless done in edit), and the obvious "fuck you" in place of the powers, I didn't see any differences between what he posted and what I received as a PM. However, if it's relevant (I don't know, as I'm replying to this Day as I'm reading), I'd be happy to post it again, with the bolding in tact.
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Post by Rysto on Apr 3, 2008 17:04:41 GMT -5
Hal, a while ago you said that you think that the scum would already know about your power, or something to that extent. Why did you think that?
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Post by Drain Bead on Apr 3, 2008 17:21:01 GMT -5
I am pretty sure the master/servant thing was me.
Seeing as I am goth Scarface AND The Ventriloquist, there's definitely a master and a servant aspect to my role. That plays out in my role description, which for ogvious reasons I don't want to get into.
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Post by Rysto on Apr 3, 2008 17:25:58 GMT -5
Goth Scarface? What part of the Batman universe is that drawn from?
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Apr 3, 2008 17:30:11 GMT -5
I am pretty sure the master/servant thing was me. Seeing as I am goth Scarface AND The Ventriloquist, there's definitely a master and a servant aspect to my role. That plays out in my role description, which for ogvious reasons I don't want to get into. That makes more sense than the thought being from mhaye.
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 3, 2008 17:33:55 GMT -5
I am pretty sure the master/servant thing was me. Seeing as I am goth Scarface AND The Ventriloquist, there's definitely a master and a servant aspect to my role. That plays out in my role description, which for ogvious reasons I don't want to get into. That makes more sense than the thought being from mhaye. Makes more sense, but doesn't actually fit. That isn't how the Ventriloquist and Scarface's relationship works. The Ventriloquist doesn't think of scarface as "master" he thinks of scarface as a boss, an employer. I am fairly sure Roosh and Dio would know that. But then DB's role/post restriction etc bother me anyway. They don't really fit properly either.
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Post by Hal Briston on Apr 3, 2008 17:42:33 GMT -5
Hal, a while ago you said that you think that the scum would already know about your power, or something to that extent. Why did you think that? Verbatim from my PM: I assume that if the "someone" were town, then they would've said something earlier -- at least dropped a crumb when I came forth that I had the list. When nothing came up, I became pretty sure that it was someone who wasn't about to play nice. But then DB's role/post restriction etc bother me anyway. They don't really fit properly either. How so?
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Post by Darth Sensitive on Apr 3, 2008 17:44:20 GMT -5
Could you elaborate on that, NAF?
I read the comments to a good extent, and I can't recall Scarface ever not using 'g' instead of 'b'.
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 3, 2008 17:48:03 GMT -5
Could you elaborate on that, NAF? I read the comments to a good extent, and I can't recall Scarface ever not using 'g' instead of 'b'. Well that's my problem, she isn't claiming to be scarface. She is claiming to be the ventrilloquist who has an independant and seperate personallity, and doesn't have a speech impediment.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Apr 3, 2008 17:49:17 GMT -5
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Post by RoOsh on Apr 3, 2008 17:51:02 GMT -5
*Locked up* As shit is fucking up for me right now on these boards.
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