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Post by annem on May 21, 2012 19:17:34 GMT -5
Wow, we lost a doctor and a mason in the same night - these scum are either very clever or very lucky, or perhaps a combination of the two. At least one of them went down as well.
Vote: endhoot since it certainly looks like Hal's telling the truth. There better be a doctor left to protect this valuable detective.
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Post by kagemoto on May 21, 2012 19:34:57 GMT -5
At this point 12 players have been lynched, Nightkilled, or MODkilled. 3 of them are Scums and 9 are Town. We have other 48 players still in the game.
The 2 unknown secret Power Roles are now almost confirmed - we have a Crazy Town confirmed, and we probably have at least 1 Town Vig since 2 Scums were Nightkilled respectively in Night 1 and Night 2. According to the Roles post, it is either 2 Vigs+1 Crazy, or 1 Vig + 2 Crazys.
For the known Power Roles (Doctors/Detectives/Masons), we have 1 Detective (Francescaj), 1 Mason (Gadarene) and 1 Doctor (Septimus) confirmed, and another Detective claim (Hal Briston). Also, there is at least one more Mason.
I do not have time now, but here are some of my quick thoughts of the Power Roles:
1. I wonder if the Detectives Power in this game is only for investigating the Town/Scum team and not for Power. If a Detective can only investigate the team of a player and not the specific Power owned by the player (if there is such a Power), there is no point having a Scum Detective in this game.
Hal, I believe that there is no rule preventing you from pasting your Role PM and investigation result PM. Can you show the PMs so that we know how the investigation Power works in this game?
2. I also don't think the Scum has the Doctor Power in this game. Lianne has the second highest vote in Day 2, and was Nightkilled in Night 2 (very likely done by a Vig). If the Scum has a Doctor, I don't see any reason that the Scum Doctor would have left Lianne unprotected in Night 2 .
3. Gadarene is now confirmed Mason, and he post a lot in Day 1 and Day 2. I should re-read his posts to see if he had left some information.
4. I also wonder who Septimus have decided to protect, particularly in Night 2, when he did not self-protect. I am not sure if there is a clear player that he would have protected in Night 2. Some more re-read to do.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on May 21, 2012 19:38:04 GMT -5
ATTENTION:
BRIDEOFPEZ is now being replaced by SEPTIMUS.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on May 21, 2012 19:40:18 GMT -5
Vote Count:
Endhoot - 14 votes (JustBeingGinger, Susan K Murphy, kagemoto, Suits101, michelehunter, meeko, Mahaloth, texcat, wombat99, dizzymrslizzy, crys, richardbeckman, jmj697mn, annem)
Votes to end Day: 2 of 23
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Post by cassipietz on May 21, 2012 19:48:50 GMT -5
vote endhootthis sounds like the right choice...nice to see I was correct about my suspicions of lianne
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Post by Rich Beckman on May 21, 2012 19:51:42 GMT -5
At this point 12 players have been lynched, Nightkilled, or MODkilled. 3 of them are Scums and 9 are Town. We have other 48 players still in the game. This matches up with my spreadsheet exactly.
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Post by AmyKay on May 21, 2012 19:54:34 GMT -5
apparently, one must try to get on the board as soon as a new Day begins - a lot has happened in just a few hours! great detectiving, Hal! Reading the posts already, I guess the thing to do is vote endhoot, though Archangel's point makes more sense to me - let the vig among us handle Endhoot, and let's see what else we can dig up, rather than waste toDay. Guys, if MicheleHunter (sorry, Michele, read you totally wrong!) takes out Laurie and she flips scum, it's better for the vig to take out Endhoot. If everyone just votes Endhoot because of the investigation today's voting record will be pretty meaningless/useless. As an alternative we can also lynch Endhoot but request that people post who they'd be voting for otherwise. even though folks are weighing in on other thoughts/vote ideas, I don't think as much will be stirred up, no? with that, Good grief. My instincts have been all wrong. I was ABSOLUTELY sure michelehunter and Gadarene were both scum and had cooked up the whole crazy townie thing together. Not to mention saving lianne at the last second and I was pretty sure laurie rn was town too. Kicking myself right now. not that I'm a great player and my own thoughts were right or anything (I went mchelle yesterday, who wound up being town), but this post seems a tad odd to me... yesterDay I pointed out that wombat stood out to me because of his sleuthing and being the first to point out things, but I just wonder if it's scummy? last, on a larger scale, we lost three Town from each Night so far (and one scum was killed each night as well)... so I'm interested in some more analysis from the experienced players - a few different theories came out on Day Two, and since the same outcome happened again, what seems most likely? is this even something I should care about in the long run, though, LoL? seems that Kagemoto is all over the important facts of the deaths (the fact that the Scums are guessing our power people well), so maybe that's all that's worth focusing on?
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Post by jmj697mn on May 21, 2012 19:55:10 GMT -5
I'd like to know what happened to jerelijah. He (she?) voted for Gad on D1 and I don't believe he's been heard from since.
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Post by Rich Beckman on May 21, 2012 19:58:40 GMT -5
<snip> The 2 unknown secret Power Roles are now almost confirmed - we have a Crazy Town confirmed, and we probably have at least 1 Town Vig since 2 Scums were Nightkilled respectively in Night 1 and Night 2. According to the Roles post, it is either 2 Vigs+1 Crazy, or 1 Vig + 2 Crazys. <snip> It seems logical to me that there is only one Vig, since only one Scum is being killed each night. Does that not make sense?
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Post by cathi on May 21, 2012 20:06:26 GMT -5
Well endhoot is the obvious choice for today. We'll get rid of a scum and confirm Hal's claim at the same time. I do agree that just because this is an easy vote does not mean that we should stop hunting for other scum. So I Vote: endhoot but I'm not voting to "End the Day" in the interest of getting more reading material.
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Post by supermel on May 21, 2012 20:11:46 GMT -5
Home now and caught up. Welcome to the players subbbed in vote endhoot I believe that this is the best thing to do as I have not read anything that makes me believe Hal could be lying. I do not wish for the day to end early as I think there could be more information come forth yet tha tmay be helpful.
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Post by cathi on May 21, 2012 20:12:33 GMT -5
@rich, does a Vig know who's scum ahead of time? I thought the role gave the person a kill, but they had to figure out who on their own. Or do you know something I don't?
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Post by Rich Beckman on May 21, 2012 20:21:35 GMT -5
<snip> For the known Power Roles (Doctors/Detectives/Masons), we have 1 Detective ( Francescaj), 1 Mason ( Gadarene) and 1 Doctor ( Septimus) confirmed, and another Detective claim ( Hal Briston). Also, there is at least one more Mason. <snip> But if there is only one more Mason, is that no different from no more Mason? A solitary Mason has no power, right? Although we have no way of knowing how many Masons began the game.
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Post by starrirain on May 21, 2012 20:26:02 GMT -5
Hopefully someone has or will investigate Pleo. I must admit my skepticism as well when checking up on his posts. It would seem Pleonast has not even posted since about 4 days ago.
I know I didn't throw myself under the bus for an experienced 'townie with a power role', who's not even been around to give their input....hmmmm...
In a game of noobs, you more experienced players become such an asset to the town that it just doesn't sit right with me that Pleonast really hasn't given us very much in the game at all to this point. Granted there have been useful tips ,as there were from a lot of the older crowd, looking back on his posts it seems like a lot of fluff and misdirection.
I could be paranoid here, but I really feel like he hasn't given us very much to actually go on. I mean, I see votes and random finger pointing, but not very much in the way of building cases.
It also doesn't help that everyone I've seen him finger happens to be on the list of people whom I believe to be town at this point.
Not smudging, my opinion is that Pleonast is most likely scum. Feel free to prove me wrong.
I think at the rate we've been losing townies, we may not be able to wait til D4 as Gadarene suggested to reevaluate the Pleo suspicions. Not to say this is the only person on my naughty list, but I'm going through them one at a time here.
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Post by Rich Beckman on May 21, 2012 20:29:37 GMT -5
@rich, does a Vig know who's scum ahead of time? I thought the role gave the person a kill, but they had to figure out who on their own. Or do you know something I don't? No, that is my understanding. The Vig has to determine on his or her own who is scum.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on May 21, 2012 20:37:29 GMT -5
Vote Count:
Endhoot - 17 votes (JustBeingGinger, Susan K Murphy, kagemoto, Suits101, michelehunter, meeko, Mahaloth, texcat, wombat99, dizzymrslizzy, crys, richardbeckman, jmj697mn, annem, cassipietz, cathi, supermel)
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 21, 2012 20:37:38 GMT -5
Okay here's some stats that we maybe should ponder: The following players have voted for confirmed Town players two nights in a row: Player | D1 Vote | D2 Vote | Annem | Starrirain | Mchelle | Archangel/Ed | Starrirain | Michelehunter | Jmj697nm | Starrirain | Michelehunter |
Dead players that also did this: Player | Team | Gadarene | Town | LaurieRN | Scum | Lianne | Scum |
Players that have not voted at all to date: aleetha amyliz421 LadyRogue mistde Roosh Sharon I'm not counting MicheleHunter #2, Starrirain #2, Septimus #2, and Suits101 in the Non-voting table because they just joined the game (or re-entered the game)
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Post by jmj697mn on May 21, 2012 21:02:29 GMT -5
dizzy, what I can say to defend myself as town is that I am new and I am dumb. I voted the way that I thought was right and I read michelehunter completely wrong (starrirain as well, but she was D1 so not a lot to go on.) I voted for endhoot for today, so if she flips scum, by your reasoning you should be more a bit more convinced that I am town.
On other topics, I am NOT voting to end the day early because I believe the more information we can glean from today, the better.
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Post by jmj697mn on May 21, 2012 21:05:02 GMT -5
NETA: that should read "you should be a bit more convinced that I am town."
teh typingz is hard.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 21, 2012 21:17:18 GMT -5
Okay here's some stats that we maybe should ponder: The following players have voted for confirmed Town players two nights in a row: NETA: That should read: "The following players have voted for NOW confirmed Town Players two DAYS in a row." Writing the table made my eyes go crossedeyed LOL.
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Post by jlrinmke on May 21, 2012 21:38:01 GMT -5
Vote Endhoot
The vote lets us confirm Hal as detective, and gets rid of scum, if Hal is telling the truth.
And I would love it if a detective could look at Pleonast. I also find his posts off, in a way that I don't find Meeko's.
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Post by wombat99 on May 21, 2012 21:48:43 GMT -5
The more I think about this - what *is* the advantage of lynching Endhoot now? She is confirmed scum, she's not hurting anything by remaining in the game for the moment.
Today, everyone, including scum, will vote endhoot, and scum can safely vote endhoot without affecting the outcome or revealing any information. But later on, when the balance of town/scum is closer, it might be very telling to see who does or does not vote to lynch her.
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Post by kagemoto on May 21, 2012 22:07:17 GMT -5
<snip> The 2 unknown secret Power Roles are now almost confirmed - we have a Crazy Town confirmed, and we probably have at least 1 Town Vig since 2 Scums were Nightkilled respectively in Night 1 and Night 2. According to the Roles post, it is either 2 Vigs+1 Crazy, or 1 Vig + 2 Crazys. <snip> It seems logical to me that there is only one Vig, since only one Scum is being killed each night. Does that not make sense? It is not impossible that there are 2 Vigs and each Night there was one mis-Nightkill. In fact I think it is the more likely case than the 1 Vig case... that said, both cases are possible now, and from the Nightkill record we do not really know which is the case.
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Post by texcat on May 21, 2012 22:14:11 GMT -5
The more I think about this - what *is* the advantage of lynching Endhoot now? She is confirmed scum, she's not hurting anything by remaining in the game for the moment. Today, everyone, including scum, will vote endhoot, and scum can safely vote endhoot without affecting the outcome or revealing any information. But later on, when the balance of town/scum is closer, it might be very telling to see who does or does not vote to lynch her. The advantage is killing a bad guy instead of a good guy. So far town has lynched two good guys. Why would you want to make it three? Town may not gain much info from the voting record Today, but why postpone that? Do you think that if we vote endhoot Tomorrow or on Day 14 that the voting record will be more informative?
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Post by oldred on May 21, 2012 22:20:23 GMT -5
@wombat , but they are not `confirmed`as scum until dead . Just as Hal is not confirmed as a detective ,could he be making false claims ?
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 21, 2012 22:30:54 GMT -5
Unvote: End of Day
I don't know if there is an advantage or not of ending day Early. When I voted to end the day I thought more players than just Meeko had voted for it as well.
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Post by kagemoto on May 21, 2012 22:41:41 GMT -5
Now endhoot has 17 votes, and still she remains silent. Checking back the Day 2 vote, and her vote was based on the reason of lurking... What a perfect example of irony.
Also, endhoot's Day 2 vote was for aleetha. While it is possible that a Scum would vote for another Scum to confuse Towns, in this case endhoot's vote is essentially a self-incriminating vote (because she used the reason of lurking which applies to herself). The more I think of it, the more I tend to believe that a Scum who would use the vote to cover another Scum would not make such a big mistake of self-incriminating with the same vote. Thus, my guess would be that aleetha is likely a Town (but obviously not a confirmed one).
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Post by AmyKay on May 21, 2012 22:43:03 GMT -5
dizzy, what I can say to defend myself as town is that I am new and I am dumb. I voted the way that I thought was right and I read michelehunter completely wrong (starrirain as well, but she was D1 so not a lot to go on.) I voted for endhoot for today, so if she flips scum, by your reasoning you should be more a bit more convinced that I am town. On other topics, I am NOT voting to end the day early because I believe the more information we can glean from today, the better. nope, not buying that one, jmj697. the idea that you voting endhoot should convince us you're town ain't gonna happen. Just as wombat said, Today, everyone, including scum, will vote endhoot, and scum can safely vote endhoot without affecting the outcome or revealing any information. But later on, when the balance of town/scum is closer, it might be very telling to see who does or does not vote to lynch her. it makes sense that all scum will jump on the endhoot bandwagon, because there's no reason not to - it's a pretty safe vote toDay.
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Post by jmj697mn on May 21, 2012 23:22:46 GMT -5
True, Amy. It does seem safe for scum and town alike. I guess that won't convince anyone that I'm town with that reasoning. Nonetheless, I am town.
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Post by Silver Jan on May 22, 2012 0:48:00 GMT -5
Vote Endhoot
I don't want to vote for EOD yet because we could get more information, I just hope the chat doesn't end just because we have a semi-confirmed scum.
I don't see any reason why Hal should lie at this point, he already gave us one confirmed scum and he did give Michele a choice of who to kill. Well done Hal.
Scum do seem to be picking up on Town Power roles, don't they. I wasn't sure of Lianne until she posted at Night, even then I wasn't totally sure but I felt something was off with that. It will be interesting to see if there are any scum on the Michelle71 wagon, especially those votes at the end when players were trying to save Lianne. Yep, there is still a lot to think about.
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