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Post by JustBeingGinger on Oct 23, 2012 11:04:55 GMT -5
So did you just forget to read Day 4 or what? Are you talking to me? I did not read Day 4 word for word, I had company in town and was quite busy...
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 23, 2012 11:12:14 GMT -5
I don’t follow the Dizzy lynch- granted this week has me so turned around I’ve forgotten who’s claimed what and why – mostly- Pizza doesn’t give a whit if peeker exists anymore – nor does he seem to have a problem with Dizzy’s lynch- But Since Dizzy’s only known “crime” is that she visited Peeker on the Night he was killed ( quite fabulously I might add) And we know there was a Scum and a Vig there too I guess I’ve missed the motivation for said lynch. - Well except for the merc vote quandry that Pizza appears to have put himself in which I observed he said he would do and accept the penalty We’ve got the Pizza/invisible friend/Colby show and only one real result from the bunch of them= one Scum delivered Yes I realize Colby does not claim to be part of the masonry thing- but he’s eating the porridge that pizza is spooning Seriously, LIghtfoot? You don't see a case for Dizzy's lynch? Do I take that to mean you don't think that there were three types of killing going on in Peeker's room on Night 1? Or have you forgotten that she's one of three people who was seen in Peeker's room that night, one of them a lynched scummer that you helped to lynch based on pretty much the same evidence that you now don't understand against Dizzy. I don't buy it.
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Post by Meeko on Oct 23, 2012 11:19:52 GMT -5
Meeko you are coming into question because when you gave us information about Dizzy you left out two other names, one which happened to be scum. Not all that visited Peeker that Night may have been scum but why single Dizzy out from the three. You jumbled a lot of things in that didn't you?Let's put some cornstarch on that knot, and work this out. I'll go slow, which is a bonus for you, so you'll understand. At the time you make a vote, it is customary to make a case for the person you are voting for. We've all fallen short of this. In spite of that, I did state my reasons to vote for Dizzy. I stated, on no certain terms, that the result from my watching went against what Dizzy said in regards to not being able to participate in the game. At the time I made the case, I felt this was a lie, given what I knew. After that, Dizzy was, IMHO trying to buy distance from the "death" of peeker by asking questions. With these two items, I made my case against Dizzy. I'm not sure how I can make a case against other people, if I don't have a similar foundation. I am not Scum. How do I know who is, and who is not Scum if I am not Scum myself? Could I have gotten it wrong? I don't know. That's my point. Am I still right? I don't know. That's also my point.Could they BOTH be scum? Say it with me now: I DON'T KNOW THIS IS MY POINT.
You could now offer many among many hypothetical as to how I have played. I believe I have played well enough. I believe I am confirmed*. *As much as I can be. I also believe my sandbagging of a few of my claims have also helped this game. I claimed to be a Watcher. Only after this, did Dizzy claim Tracker. I then came back and said that I was both. I am telling the truth, and last I read, I thought most of the game knew this to. Do I know what role Dizzy has? No. Could she be lying? I don't know. That's also my point.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 23, 2012 11:34:34 GMT -5
So did you just forget to read Day 4 or what? Are you talking to me? I did not read Day 4 word for word, I had company in town and was quite busy... I ask because a huge chunk of the last Day thread was all about banging out why Meeko chose to put the screws to dizzy so I suggest that before you start riding him and forcing us all to relive it, you go page through the thread to see if he's already adequately answered the question.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Oct 23, 2012 11:35:24 GMT -5
Vote Dizzy
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Oct 23, 2012 11:38:57 GMT -5
Are you talking to me? I did not read Day 4 word for word, I had company in town and was quite busy... I ask because a huge chunk of the last Day thread was all about banging out why Meeko chose to put the screws to dizzy so I suggest that before you start riding him and forcing us all to relive it, you go page through the thread to see if he's already adequately answered the question. Excuse the fuck out of me... I was stating why I thought that Meeko was being accused. I forget the tidbit about that he was questioning her reasons for being OOG the night she placed her tracker request in. Sorry for making you relive it.
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 23, 2012 11:57:07 GMT -5
Me and pizza communicate in here. Last Night, I told him not to bid too much, and now he's in deep sh8t. I don't share pizza's views. I see myself more expendable at this point compared to him. in here as in the threads? because i must have missed it in the Night thread if so. or it some special code? and i really wonder why you would consider yourself more expendable. the ability to take thirds and make them town seems kind of a nice power for town to have. Simple. Red said that there were 5 recruitable third parties somewhere around Night 3. That is out of 20ish people that were left. Granted, we haven't had a third party be lynched (that I remember off bat), but those are still poor odds. I can't recruit everyone. Thought that I said that in Night 4.... Will reread and check when I get time tonight
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 23, 2012 11:58:26 GMT -5
Okay. LaurieRn is a recruitable third party. So saith the modith. Yes, I am. Colby, Here's your chance. You know you have a recruitable target. I'm asking.....Please recruit me. Yes ma'am
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 23, 2012 12:02:59 GMT -5
Meeko, You did in fact give us your reason for voting for dizzymrslizzy. But your reason is completely meta-game based, and I do seem to recall that lizzy had a plausible rebuttal to boot. That, combined with the fact that you deliberately concealed the fact that at least two other people visited peeker that Night (one of which has already flipped Scum) makes your motives somewhat suspect. Pizza bid 13 votes on the Mercenary. Now I understand that lizzy was the 'prime suspect' going into last Night, but that's just bad play. It pretty much requires a runaway, unopposed lynch in order to not backfire. And the odds against such a runaway lynch in a game like this are just too high to make that play. Given the case on lizzy, she was a prime Vig target last Night; what did Pizza plan to do if lizzy were killed? Right now Pizza seems to think that we're all here only to do his bidding. I'm not going to do it. But I'm not going to vote for him, because I don't have a good case for him being Scum (or Hostile Third Party). I really don't know what to do with Pizza at this point, so I'm just going to leave him alone and see where the chips fall. If we believe all of the claims, Pizza will be the lynch candidate, Ginger will save him, Colby will recruit laurie to Town, and Tomorrow will dawn with a much clearer picture of what's going on. The problem is; I'm not sure who I do want to vote for Today. The case against lizzy is clear, but it's nowhere near being cut and dried. I'm not going to place a 'last minute' vote to swing this one way or the other. It's a bit disturbing to me that even though this is my first post since Friday night, I'm still in the top 5 of posters for the Day. There seems to be a distinct lack of interest regarding Today's lynch, with the "let's just go ahead and lynch lizzy because it's easy" camp on one side, and the "let's just let Pizza swing because he brought it on himself" camp in the other. I'll admit that I'm in the second camp right now, but I'm going to blame it on the fact that I'm too excited about the giants making the World Series to care about much else at the moment Off to do a quick review of a few things, and I will be back with a vote before Dusk.
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Post by LightFoot on Oct 23, 2012 12:06:46 GMT -5
Meeko, You did in fact give us your reason for voting for dizzymrslizzy. But your reason is completely meta-game based, and I do seem to recall that lizzy had a plausible rebuttal to boot. That, combined with the fact that you deliberately concealed the fact that at least two other people visited peeker that Night (one of which has already flipped Scum) makes your motives somewhat suspect. Pizza bid 13 votes on the Mercenary. Now I understand that lizzy was the 'prime suspect' going into last Night, but that's just bad play. It pretty much requires a runaway, unopposed lynch in order to not backfire. And the odds against such a runaway lynch in a game like this are just too high to make that play. Given the case on lizzy, she was a prime Vig target last Night; what did Pizza plan to do if lizzy were killed? Right now Pizza seems to think that we're all here only to do his bidding. I'm not going to do it. But I'm not going to vote for him, because I don't have a good case for him being Scum (or Hostile Third Party). I really don't know what to do with Pizza at this point, so I'm just going to leave him alone and see where the chips fall. If we believe all of the claims, Pizza will be the lynch candidate, Ginger will save him, Colby will recruit laurie to Town, and Tomorrow will dawn with a much clearer picture of what's going on. The problem is; I'm not sure who I do want to vote for Today. The case against lizzy is clear, but it's nowhere near being cut and dried. I'm not going to place a 'last minute' vote to swing this one way or the other. It's a bit disturbing to me that even though this is my first post since Friday night, I'm still in the top 5 of posters for the Day. There seems to be a distinct lack of interest regarding Today's lynch, with the "let's just go ahead and lynch lizzy because it's easy" camp on one side, and the "let's just let Pizza swing because he brought it on himself" camp in the other. I'll admit that I'm in the second camp right now, but I'm going to blame it on the fact that I'm too excited about the giants making the World Series to care about much else at the moment Off to do a quick review of a few things, and I will be back with a vote before Dusk. I tend to agree with your summary And I've just noticed that I don't have a vote in either if customers allow I'll be back
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Post by LightFoot on Oct 23, 2012 12:14:50 GMT -5
I don’t follow the Dizzy lynch- granted this week has me so turned around I’ve forgotten who’s claimed what and why – mostly- Pizza doesn’t give a whit if peeker exists anymore – nor does he seem to have a problem with Dizzy’s lynch- But Since Dizzy’s only known “crime” is that she visited Peeker on the Night he was killed ( quite fabulously I might add) And we know there was a Scum and a Vig there too I guess I’ve missed the motivation for said lynch. - Well except for the merc vote quandry that Pizza appears to have put himself in which I observed he said he would do and accept the penalty We’ve got the Pizza/invisible friend/Colby show and only one real result from the bunch of them= one Scum delivered Yes I realize Colby does not claim to be part of the masonry thing- but he’s eating the porridge that pizza is spooning Seriously, LIghtfoot? You don't see a case for Dizzy's lynch? Do I take that to mean you don't think that there were three types of killing going on in Peeker's room on Night 1? Or have you forgotten that she's one of three people who was seen in Peeker's room that night, one of them a lynched scummer that you helped to lynch based on pretty much the same evidence that you now don't understand against Dizzy. I don't buy it. I wasn't selling [grin] I don't expect you to track my logic but trying to see another scenerio is needed. And jan's lynch had more to do with her faulty explaination than her mear presence in the room. So it's not the same evidence We don't know that there were 3 different killers/kills on Peeks it has only been a working theorie. That and if 3 one could have been un see-able or some such I don't know. I can't change the outcome of these votes at this time. I can attempt to throw some of my reasoning at it. The lynch toDay WILL give us more information, so be it.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Oct 23, 2012 12:25:55 GMT -5
Day Five Updated Vote Count
dizzymrslizzy (11 votes) - Rich Beckman, askthepizzaguy, patricia, Red Skeezix, Sister Coyote, Colby11, CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, crys, gnarlycharlie, Inner Stickler, JustBeingGinger askthepizzaguy (2 votes) - Penalty Vote, peekercpa Suburban Plankton (1 vote) - Sister Coyote peekercpa (1 vote) - Penalty Vote storyteller0910 (1 vote) - peekercpa Meeko (1 vote) - Merestil Haye
With these votes, dizzymrslizzy will be lynched.
Day ends in ~35 minutes.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 23, 2012 12:27:32 GMT -5
If the most votes we can muster after several days of discussion, on one candidate, is 8 votes, then we're in sorry shape. Well, perhaps my death and subsequent mason flip will motivate folks. Maybe it won't. I do realize I'm talking about third party roles here, so maybe they simply don't care. How come you have not addresses my saying that I will use my powers to save you if need be. You simply have chosen not acknowledge my post or my ability to save you. I do wonder if this is a plot to make my use my power, my one shot ability to save... Can you answer why you would bid 14 votes when there are only 21 players left in the game? Seems to me that town can not lose another town right now and to be that reckless with the bid. To me the thought of staying alive out weights trying to gain a power... You know how LaurieRn is recruitable town? Well, we can't recruit her without Colby. I can't recruit her. You can't recruit her. Colby is more valuable than any townie. And any power role. We have the mercenary. I does amazing things, in town hands. It is worth my death to ensure Colby doesn't ever die.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 23, 2012 12:28:52 GMT -5
You're preaching to the choir about how this information from Meeko needs to be thoroughly thought out. I've posted at length looking for any sort of support that Dizzy could be innocent but there is nothing definitive.
3 distinct descriptions of Peeer's Night 1 death
3 people seen in the room by Meeko, one apparent Town Vig and one dead scum who was lynched for being there. Just because Dizzy admitted to targeting Peeker doesn't make her story any more plausible than Silver Jan's, it just makes it convenient.
If we want to put Meeko's information through more rigorous testing or try and figure out if an unseen force and/or the Merc was involved, Dizzy needs to die. We get insight either way she flips.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 23, 2012 12:30:20 GMT -5
The lynch toDay WILL give us more information, so be it. Unless JBG chooses to block a pizza lynch, in which case we won't gather any information. Scum still (presumably) have a roleblocker (unless they blew themselves out last night with the mass roleblock), so there's no reason to assume Colby's action (unless it's a Day Action) will go through. And to answer your question: No, I don't actually think it's all that strange for Colby to submit an action and have no response from the Mod. If, as he claimed, he doesn't get to know the end result of his action, then he wouldn't know if he were blocked. And if he is who he's claimed, then it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for people to say "Hey, I'm Town now" because who (other than Pizza and apparently peeks) wants a gigantic target on their back for Scum?
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 23, 2012 12:34:35 GMT -5
It is worth my death to ensure the Mercenary doesn't fall into enemy hands.
It is worth my death to demonstrate everything I said about the cleared parties was true- in that they are at the very least, not our 3 remaining full scumbags and they were not hostile at the time of their scans.
We have plenty of people left. Many are intentionally doing nothing. A bid of 13 votes for the mercenary was not insurmountable. It still is not.
There are plenty of folks just twiddling their thumbs, not even voting for an alternative suspect.
it is from their inaction that I will die. Not out of anything particularly reckless on my part.
I calculated the scums wouldn't risk making a bid this high. I was correct, and the Merc is in my hands.
@ginger
I tell you this: If there's a power you can use to protect me from death, use it, and you're going to see an immediate payback for that effort.
If we can't work together as a great big team then let's at least work together as a tagger and blue-pee-er team.
I tagged you and made you pee blue, and that has had no other effect on you except that. It hasn't changed your alignment, and it hasn't changed your abilities. It is no danger to you or anyone else.
As such, you have firsthand experience that my power is nonthreatening. Why would I have this power unless it was townie?
You should use your direct experience and gained wisdom to reverse a bad course.
I reversed course on you, and now you have a chance to do me the same favor.
It's worth it, because there are going to be two very important revelations, not just one, when you do.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 23, 2012 12:44:21 GMT -5
NETA:
"It" does amazing things, in town hands.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Oct 23, 2012 12:44:51 GMT -5
It is worth my death to ensure the Mercenary doesn't fall into enemy hands. It is worth my death to demonstrate everything I said about the cleared parties was true- in that they are at the very least, not our 3 remaining full scumbags and they were not hostile at the time of their scans. We have plenty of people left. Many are intentionally doing nothing. A bid of 13 votes for the mercenary was not insurmountable. It still is not. There are plenty of folks just twiddling their thumbs, not even voting for an alternative suspect. it is from their inaction that I will die. Not out of anything particularly reckless on my part. I calculated the scums wouldn't risk making a bid this high. I was correct, and the Merc is in my hands. @ginger I tell you this: If there's a power you can use to protect me from death, use it, and you're going to see an immediate payback for that effort. If we can't work together as a great big team then let's at least work together as a tagger and blue-pee-er team. I tagged you and made you pee blue, and that has had no other effect on you except that. It hasn't changed your alignment, and it hasn't changed your abilities. It is no danger to you or anyone else. As such, you have firsthand experience that my power is nonthreatening. Why would I have this power unless it was townie? You should use your direct experience and gained wisdom to reverse a bad course. I reversed course on you, and now you have a chance to do me the same favor. It's worth it, because there are going to be two very important revelations, not just one, when you do. I put in for you to be sent to prison. You are able to talk during the Night and during the Day but you cannot use any of your powers.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 23, 2012 12:52:36 GMT -5
Vote: Pizza
I don't have a vote in. I obviously am not voting for myself, and I'd like to test Ginger's claimed powers. Not to say I'm not voting for Pizza just to test Ginger's claim. I've voted for Day 2, and I don't like the way he's trying to spoon feed everyone his magic bag.
-OOG- And FTR Pizza, I have gotten used to your game play, and I'm not as pinged by it as I was when we first started here. I look forward to playing with you again after this. No hard feelings hun?
I'm also going to throw out a: Vote: Meeko
I posted my case against Meeko earlier ToDay. I don't believe his claim. I don't like how he singled me out as being the only one to Kill Peekers N1, even though I had absolutely nothing to do with Peeker's Death.
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Post by LightFoot on Oct 23, 2012 12:53:13 GMT -5
Bullocks I surmise- if this little drama is going down as anticipated- that if we don’t lynch dizzy we will have a no Lynch and get to do this all over again!
Pizza claims to have bid 13 or was it 11 not sure on the Merc. 2 votes today puts him at 15 or 13
Dizzy is at 11 We are down to the wire
Vote: dizzy No information is strangling –
I see Pizza has once again dangled his magic bag for later.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Oct 23, 2012 12:53:22 GMT -5
@pizza if I find out that you lied then may all the fleas of 1000 camels attach your under carriage!
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Post by Merestil Haye on Oct 23, 2012 12:54:41 GMT -5
It is worth my death to demonstrate everything I said about the cleared parties was true- in that they are at the very least, not our 3 remaining full scumbags and they were not hostile at the time of their scans. I'm not going to vote Lizzy now; there's less than 10 minutes in the Day, and she'd need four more votes (assuming Pizza bid 12 for the Mercenary). Should there be a last minute swing, I can add to it though. Pizza, a can't remember if you've posted the order of your scans. Would you mind doing so, or point to them if it's already been posted? Cheers. I know your friend can do so but that would mean exposure and he might prefer to remain incognito a while longer. Cheers.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 23, 2012 12:58:44 GMT -5
Vote: PizzaI don't have a vote in. I obviously am not voting for myself, and I'd like to test Ginger's claimed powers. Not to say I'm not voting for Pizza just to test Ginger's claim. I've voted for Day 2, and I don't like the way he's trying to spoon feed everyone his magic bag. -OOG- And FTR Pizza, I have gotten used to your game play, and I'm not as pinged by it as I was when we first started here. I look forward to playing with you again after this. No hard feelings hun? It's never personal. It's just business. I've had far more offensive things said about me, and by me, during a game. Now, my hope is that our suspicions of you were accurate. If not, then that's a shame. As for my magic bag- it's still quite full of lucky charms.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Oct 23, 2012 13:00:15 GMT -5
From what I was told by the dear mod is that there will not be a lynch since I am sending you to prison. I then have to decide to pardon you or execute you. If I am NK'd, my order still goes in effect.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 23, 2012 13:01:05 GMT -5
Pizza, a can't remember if you've posted the order of your scans. Would you mind doing so, or point to them if it's already been posted? I deliberately refrained from doing so, and I'll be keeping to that policy for as long as necessary. Answers will come, now is not the time.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Oct 23, 2012 13:02:07 GMT -5
Day's over.
Night soon.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 23, 2012 13:03:14 GMT -5
I look forward to when you reveal that Pizza. Glad there's no hard feelings
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 23, 2012 13:04:06 GMT -5
From what I was told by the dear mod is that there will not be a lynch since I am sending you to prison. I then have to decide to pardon you or execute you. If I am NK'd, my order still goes in effect. Well, not a great outcome, but the least bad one. As for folks deliberately straddling the fence, I took note of that. Your unhelpfulness and scummy behavior is on record.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Oct 23, 2012 13:12:00 GMT -5
Dusk is going to be slightly delayed. Nothing to worry about, a few minor behind-the-scenes issues I need to sort out before posting anything. Please no strategy talk until Dusk is up.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 23, 2012 13:31:00 GMT -5
cute-off, motherfuckers... BAM!
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