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Day 2
Jul 22, 2009 21:04:30 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jul 22, 2009 21:04:30 GMT -5
Mayhaps we were both set up by our unconscious-es...
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Day 2
Jul 22, 2009 21:33:59 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Jul 22, 2009 21:33:59 GMT -5
Wrong brackets Is the green peacekeeper a third party player or is that a peacekeeper faction? [/color][/quote] The green signifies that it is a third party faction. Of course the faction could have 1 member or it could have more.
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Day 2
Jul 22, 2009 21:53:38 GMT -5
Post by Dfrnt Breign on Jul 22, 2009 21:53:38 GMT -5
Cookies I'd be a lot more inclined to add my vote/unvote if we didn't have a possible third faction, a "handshake masonry" (and no, I'm still not taking them at their word), a Thief, a Mercenary, a Compulsory Vig, a Contrarian (?), a Peacekeeper (?), a terrorist attack, and talk of Jesters and who knows what else. (Lions and tigers and bears, Oh My!)
With all that going on I have to at least wonder about a role where if someone gets a certain target number of votes (half, maybe) then Something Really Bad Happens (cue ominous music). Frankly, I don't think that's why your making the offer, I think you'd be more subtle. But I can't unthink it and felt I should mention it.
About voting you Yesterday BTW, I voted for you more out of exasperation than anything else. And I did look closely to make sure I wouldn't cause your lynch. At the time of my vote there were only a few minutes left and PCM had seven or eight votes on him (things were changing quickly). I understand now what you were trying to do, but at the time I didn't and it just seemed to be adding to the chaos. It didn't help that I had spent almost half an hour refreshing the same page over and over wondering why everyone was being so quiet so close to end of Day, only to finally realize I was at the end of the page and there were now two more pages. (Okay, so I'm an idiot.)
I wanted to bring this up during the night, but couldn't think how to discuss it without breaking the "no strategy at night" rule.
And I needed a break. Is it normal to dream about Mafia?
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Day 2
Jul 22, 2009 21:56:00 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 22, 2009 21:56:00 GMT -5
Good news if you consider 6 possible deaths in a Cycle as good. Six? I count five. Lynch, Scum, HM, Merc, Unknown. Where do you get the sixth kill from? Hockey Monkey claims to have been blocked, which means 2 unknown killings.
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Day 2
Jul 22, 2009 22:04:17 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jul 22, 2009 22:04:17 GMT -5
I just read my PM on the way out the door. It appears that I was blocked. Which is good news. ..... It appears ....it appears? any reason for the prevarication? in the equivocation sense, of course. Since we can't quote our PM's, I'm saying that the wording of said PM would seem to indicate that, but did not state it explicitly. It's good in the sense that redirection is so much worse than a block. Plus the scum will have to waste an action on me rather than someone else more important. They are either gonna kill me or block me. As for Day 3, I can offer myself as the lynch candidate if I'm still alive at that point.
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Day 2
Jul 22, 2009 22:09:00 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jul 22, 2009 22:09:00 GMT -5
I'm merely trying to mitigate another last minute clusterfuck where the tie-breaking mechanism goes spinning like a round in the chamber in a game of Russian Roulette.
It is much easier for scum to manipulate us into a tie than for the town players to both a) vote with their suspicions (as they should do) while b) trying and keep the scum from being able to manipulate a tie.
Being afraid to put me there seems even a more dubious of a paranoia excuse than the people who were trying to off Hockey Monkey yesterday.
If you don't like my suggestion of 10/11 votes to pad, someone else can pick the number. You all know I don't blow up with however many peak votes I carried yesterday. Can we start there?
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Day 2
Jul 22, 2009 22:26:14 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Jul 22, 2009 22:26:14 GMT -5
With all that going on I have to at least wonder about a role where if someone gets a certain target number of votes (half, maybe) then Something Really Bad Happens (cue ominous music). Frankly, I don't think that's why your making the offer, I think you'd be more subtle. But I can't unthink it and felt I should mention it. ... And I needed a break. Is it normal to dream about Mafia? Another possibility occurred to me: that Cookies is the bomber. She convinces us to make her the tie breaker, days 1 and 2, and that all seems to work great. We do it again on day 3, and lo, day 3 ends with a tie, Cookies is lynched and the terrorist bomb goes up with her. And, yes, I think it is normal. Or at least, I hope it's normal.
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Jul 22, 2009 22:35:14 GMT -5
Post by pumpjack on Jul 22, 2009 22:35:14 GMT -5
I had the same thought about the bomber. We have Cookies wanting to be the tie breaker and HockeyMonkey volunteering for Day 3. Either or neither could be set ups.
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Day 2
Jul 22, 2009 22:45:59 GMT -5
Post by Dfrnt Breign on Jul 22, 2009 22:45:59 GMT -5
So...I have a bit of information that I would like to share. Note the following is not a claim of any sort, but I did get some info about an even that is going to occur toMorrow. Apperantly there is a terrorist attack planned on the town for Day 3. It's activated by lynching the wrong person (the bomber). Likewise it is activated by no lynching on Day 3. I figure it is best if I get that out there as soon as possible so we have enough time to figure out how to deal with it. I don't have any more information than that. I suspect that the bomber is a game ender, but that's just my suspicion I don't actually know. This makes me think that this: ..... It appears ....it appears? any reason for the prevarication? in the equivocation sense, of course. Since we can't quote our PM's, I'm saying that the wording of said PM would seem to indicate that, but did not state it explicitly. It's good in the sense that redirection is so much worse than a block. Plus the scum will have to waste an action on me rather than someone else more important. They are either gonna kill me or block me. As for Day 3, I can offer myself as the lynch candidate if I'm still alive at that point. coulld be a Very Bad Idea. A second Night with no confirmable results from HM would make it even worse.
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Day 2
Jul 22, 2009 22:55:05 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Jul 22, 2009 22:55:05 GMT -5
See? SEE?! Bufftabby was scum. I KNEW IT. The theory is sound! Damn I'm good. Hockey Monkey claims to have been blocked, which means 2 unknown killings. I'm still counting 5. If HM was blocked, we can attribute two of the killings this Dawn to scum and mercenary, with the 3rd being unknown. That makes 4 killing entities at Night + 1 lynch. So either your math is wrong, or you know something we don't. Care to share?
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Day 2
Jul 22, 2009 23:04:04 GMT -5
Post by Dfrnt Breign on Jul 22, 2009 23:04:04 GMT -5
I'm merely trying to mitigate another last minute clusterfuck where the tie-breaking mechanism goes spinning like a round in the chamber in a game of Russian Roulette. It is much easier for scum to manipulate us into a tie than for the town players to both a) vote with their suspicions (as they should do) while b) trying and keep the scum from being able to manipulate a tie. Being afraid to put me there seems even a more dubious of a paranoia excuse than the people who were trying to off Hockey Monkey yesterday. If you don't like my suggestion of 10/11 votes to pad, someone else can pick the number. You all know I don't blow up with however many peak votes I carried yesterday. Can we start there? That seems reasonable. I think you peaked around eight votes, but I'm not sure (I was tracking votes/unvotes but it got kinda hectic there at the end). We have time so I'll give it some more thought (and see if anybody else comes up with a reasonable objection). And now I see texcat and pumpjack have pointed out it might not have anything to do with votes, just a tie. Hmmm. And thanks (Pleo, too) for the lists you made. Being color-blind, Cookies' was a little easier to read. Except the yellow. Yikes! To me the yellows always look like a bright yellow blur.
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Day 2
Jul 22, 2009 23:04:44 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 22, 2009 23:04:44 GMT -5
See? SEE?! Bufftabby was scum. I KNEW IT. The theory is sound! Damn I'm good. Hockey Monkey claims to have been blocked, which means 2 unknown killings. I'm still counting 5. If HM was blocked, we can attribute two of the killings this Dawn to scum and mercenary, with the 3rd being unknown. That makes 4 killing entities at Night + 1 lynch. So either your math is wrong, or you know something we don't. Care to share? I got confused in the discussion. At first, I was concerned that HM was redirected and thus was responsible for a death. I knew stanislaus wasn't dead, but during the discussion that did sorta leave the primary part of my brain (OK, I forgot). Then when she claimed to be blocked I added another one. I just confused myself. With HM's new information, I suppose it's possible she wasn't blocked and her less than explicit PM may be misleading her.
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Jul 22, 2009 23:15:32 GMT -5
Post by Dfrnt Breign on Jul 22, 2009 23:15:32 GMT -5
See? SEE?! Bufftabby was scum. I KNEW IT. The theory is sound! Damn I'm good. Hockey Monkey claims to have been blocked, which means 2 unknown killings. I'm still counting 5. If HM was blocked, we can attribute two of the killings this Dawn to scum and mercenary, with the 3rd being unknown. That makes 4 killing entities at Night + 1 lynch. So either your math is wrong, or you know something we don't. Care to share? Is it possible Bufftabby was killed trying to kill Stanislaus, accounting for his "limbo" status? And how would that affect the math?
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Day 2
Jul 22, 2009 23:18:59 GMT -5
Post by Dfrnt Breign on Jul 22, 2009 23:18:59 GMT -5
Oh, and I quoted Pollux because I meant to add that every time you post I have to watch the little man dance for a few minutes.
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Day 2
Jul 22, 2009 23:33:45 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jul 22, 2009 23:33:45 GMT -5
So...I have a bit of information that I would like to share. Note the following is not a claim of any sort, but I did get some info about an even that is going to occur toMorrow. Apperantly there is a terrorist attack planned on the town for Day 3. It's activated by lynching the wrong person (the bomber). Likewise it is activated by no lynching on Day 3. I figure it is best if I get that out there as soon as possible so we have enough time to figure out how to deal with it. I don't have any more information than that. I suspect that the bomber is a game ender, but that's just my suspicion I don't actually know. This makes me think that this: Since we can't quote our PM's, I'm saying that the wording of said PM would seem to indicate that, but did not state it explicitly. It's good in the sense that redirection is so much worse than a block. Plus the scum will have to waste an action on me rather than someone else more important. They are either gonna kill me or block me. As for Day 3, I can offer myself as the lynch candidate if I'm still alive at that point. coulld be a Very Bad Idea. A second Night with no confirmable results from HM would make it even worse. Yep, it would be a terrible idea if I'm some kind of bomb. You are more than welcome to kill me today for confirmation. ;D
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Day 2
Jul 22, 2009 23:39:59 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jul 22, 2009 23:39:59 GMT -5
See? SEE?! Bufftabby was scum. I KNEW IT. The theory is sound! Damn I'm good. I'm still counting 5. If HM was blocked, we can attribute two of the killings this Dawn to scum and mercenary, with the 3rd being unknown. That makes 4 killing entities at Night + 1 lynch. So either your math is wrong, or you know something we don't. Care to share? I got confused in the discussion. At first, I was concerned that HM was redirected and thus was responsible for a death. I knew stanislaus wasn't dead, but during the discussion that did sorta leave the primary part of my brain (OK, I forgot). Then when she claimed to be blocked I added another one. I just confused myself. With HM's new information, I suppose it's possible she wasn't blocked and her less than explicit PM may be misleading her. I can read for comprehension. It doesn't say "you were blocked", but it does say that I wasn't able to leave my room last night so I can reasonably infer from that that I was blocked rather than redirected. This is a non-issue. When I posted right at daybreak, I didn't have the PM. Just as I was leaving the house, I checked the thread again and noticed I had a new one. It came about 20 minutes after dawn. At that time, I wanted to get that info out there, but didn't have time to craft an eloquent post.
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Day 2
Jul 22, 2009 23:41:32 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jul 22, 2009 23:41:32 GMT -5
Would anyone besides the Angel and the Paranoia gallery like to weigh in on my proposal? Dfrnt, you at least seem to have some reason to balance it, thank you.
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Day 2
Jul 23, 2009 0:36:28 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Jul 23, 2009 0:36:28 GMT -5
I don't know that it is necessary Cookies. I appreciate the idea but it seems simpler to just avoid ties. It shouldn't be that hard for us to not tie, particularly if we let it be known that we will insta lynch anyone who forces a tie the following Day. There is no good reason to force a tie.
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Jul 23, 2009 0:42:26 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jul 23, 2009 0:42:26 GMT -5
I still think it is too early and the votes will be too spread all-over-the-place to necessarily defend against a tie, but I guess we'll find out. My offer will stand for as long as I'm alive. If that happens to last beyond the foretold terrorist apocalypse, perhaps it will be an easier decision for everyone.
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Day 2
Jul 23, 2009 2:51:52 GMT -5
Post by hockeyguy8435 on Jul 23, 2009 2:51:52 GMT -5
Six? I count five. Lynch, Scum, HM, Merc, Unknown. Where do you get the sixth kill from? Hockey Monkey claims to have been blocked, which means 2 unknown killings. And you can prove that neither of those unknown killings weren't at the hands of the Merc? I can't see how you can prove such a thing unless you are the Merc.
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Jul 23, 2009 2:59:31 GMT -5
Post by hockeyguy8435 on Jul 23, 2009 2:59:31 GMT -5
See? SEE?! Bufftabby was scum. I KNEW IT. The theory is sound! Damn I'm good. I'm still counting 5. If HM was blocked, we can attribute two of the killings this Dawn to scum and mercenary, with the 3rd being unknown. That makes 4 killing entities at Night + 1 lynch. So either your math is wrong, or you know something we don't. Care to share? I got confused in the discussion. At first, I was concerned that HM was redirected and thus was responsible for a death. I knew stanislaus wasn't dead, but during the discussion that did sorta leave the primary part of my brain (OK, I forgot). Then when she claimed to be blocked I added another one. I just confused myself. With HM's new information, I suppose it's possible she wasn't blocked and her less than explicit PM may be misleading her. I'm not sure I buy this explanation entirely. You're comment of six kills was a direct comment of her saying she was blocked. Even after her saying she got a PM from the mod saying it basically said she was blocked, you still say two unknown kills. Which leads me to believe you were the Merc and you know you didn't kill anyone last Night.
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Day 2
Jul 23, 2009 3:04:59 GMT -5
Post by hockeyguy8435 on Jul 23, 2009 3:04:59 GMT -5
And how can you use this as part of your explanation:
If her PM misled her, it would mean she wasn't blocked, and just thought she was, leading to an extra kill. That helps in your defense of saying six kills a cycle. So why add that to your explanation of you being confused? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
I'm really starting to believe you know something we don't.
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Day 2
Jul 23, 2009 8:38:17 GMT -5
Post by julie on Jul 23, 2009 8:38:17 GMT -5
Cookies, I don't have any particular distrust of you or your idea, but I think it's a bad idea to give us a lazy out. I would rather the mad scramble than a complacent Town.
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Day 2
Jul 23, 2009 9:26:16 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Jul 23, 2009 9:26:16 GMT -5
I don't know that it is necessary Cookies. I appreciate the idea but it seems simpler to just avoid ties. It shouldn't be that hard for us to not tie, particularly if we let it be known that we will insta lynch anyone who forces a tie the following Day. There is no good reason to force a tie. I agree with NAF. Any player who forces a tie at the end of the Day will be lynched the next Day, assuming they survive the Vig.
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Jul 23, 2009 9:32:18 GMT -5
Post by Archangel on Jul 23, 2009 9:32:18 GMT -5
HM, why do you say that being blocked is preferable to being redirected?
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Jul 23, 2009 9:33:42 GMT -5
Post by hockeyguy8435 on Jul 23, 2009 9:33:42 GMT -5
HM, why do you say that being blocked is preferable to being redirected? Something along the lines of if she was Redirected by the Scum, then they could essentially Redirect her kill every Night to the person of their choice. Which would give them two Night Kills instead of the one they'd normally get.
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Day 2
Jul 23, 2009 10:03:54 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Jul 23, 2009 10:03:54 GMT -5
At this point in the game, blocking the Vig is a pro-Town move. By mid-game it would be an either-or action, and by the end game it would be anti-Town.
I hope that Monkey being blocked will prevent her from collecting votes ToDay. Note also that one of her voters YesterDay was the scummy BuffTabby.
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Day 2
Jul 23, 2009 10:06:09 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Jul 23, 2009 10:06:09 GMT -5
Oops, I forgot to add.
This is all assuming that Monkey is telling the truth about being a Vigilante. Presumably the real Vig will try to kill her if she's not.
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Day 2
Jul 23, 2009 12:20:14 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on Jul 23, 2009 12:20:14 GMT -5
Assuming there is a real vig if HM is lying. I don't really believe that at the moment, but you left that part out.
I don't see any need for your plan this early in the game Cookies. No one Town aligned would be stupid enough to create a tie, and I would love it if a scum or PFK person did so. I can see a reason to do something like that tomorrow though, where we would want to avoid the Bomber ending up in a situation that he can force a tie and win.
I'd like to see some more from Ed. I was ready to vote for him at the end of the Day yesterday(I didn't vote to make sure there wasn't a tie as I stated), and his comments Today just add to that.
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Day 2
Jul 23, 2009 12:25:58 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jul 23, 2009 12:25:58 GMT -5
HM, why do you say that being blocked is preferable to being redirected? Something along the lines of if she was Redirected by the Scum, then they could essentially Redirect her kill every Night to the person of their choice. Which would give them two Night Kills instead of the one they'd normally get. This exactly.
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