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Post by IronHorse on Jan 1, 2010 4:30:03 GMT -5
Did any of the rest of y'all get a PM on the Dope or 'Raffe about this guy's game? I could've sworn there was a thread about this last year, on the Dope at least.
I'm wondering if the spammer knows about this site, as it would actually have been more appropriate here.
(sorry about the poll. I clicked the wrong button. But I guess it could be useful.)
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 1, 2010 10:04:12 GMT -5
Sirsam is no longer allowed here for being a complete and utter asshole to me for no reason last year.
The guy was a complete moody dickhead (and I've heard he's this way all the time, to everyone) to me on Facebook and either didn't remember who I was or pretended not to know who I was even though we had worked out a mutual agreement to advertise on each other's boards.
He then went on to say he didn't know me at all, that I was a complete stranger to him, and that I should "fuck off" (along with many other choice words).
Even if he really didn't remember who I was, I reminded him, telling him he did, in fact, know me, and that I wasn't a stranger. He responded by defriending me instead of apologizing for the mistake.
I asked three other friends about this and got the same response from all three: He's like that to everyone. He's the biggest, moodiest asshole around who never, ever admits if/when he's wrong.
Sorry, but I don't need that kind of person here. Not going to allow someone to advertise on my site who is a huge dick just cause they can be.
If/Once he apologizes, he can come back
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Post by IronHorse on Jan 2, 2010 0:49:39 GMT -5
Ah. That makes sense. It also makes sense why some mafia players seemed really mad about the PM.
Well, I most likely wasn't going to try out the game, since I haven't been able to even play a full normal game yet. But now I definitely won't. I put up with enough jerks in my real life. I'm not going to voluntarily spend my recreation time with them.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Jan 2, 2010 0:58:21 GMT -5
Yeah, good to know. I wasn't planning on trying out for it but now I can say it's because I have principles and not because it's intimidating as hell.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Jan 2, 2010 19:55:49 GMT -5
OK, I don't know what went down but I gotta put in a word for Sam here.
I've played with Sam in a few other ORGs, played in five out of six of his "Spies" series, and guest-hosted in the other. In all that time, I don't think I've ever seen anybody who's given him as bad a reputation as you have here. And that includes two people who he had to expel from his games for cheating. Of everyone in the ORG world at least, I'd say I know him pretty well.
This is your forum, not mine. I'm a guest here, I realise that. I don't know what went on between you and whoever you were speaking to, assuming it was Sam himself. I can't comment on that one incident because he's never mentioned it to me and I'm not interested in getting "both sides" about it. If he offended you and you banned him because of it, well fine.
I've played mafia at both your site and Sam's and enjoyed both. And if you want to ban Sam from your site, for whatever reason, then that's your perogative. I've seen other people of my online acquaintance banned from sites like this by their admins and haven't said a damn thing about it because that's why they're the admins.
What I do object to is this:
"I've heard he's this way all the time, to everyone."
I've never, ever heard anybody refer to him in the terms you've used, and I've been in ORGs with him for almost four years. He may not have many defenders on this board but he sure as hell would have on others.
I can personally testify that he's not that way to me, nor to a lot of other people who I can say with a great degree of confidence would back me up here. Which means one of two things:
1) Your definition of "everyone" is absurdly small. 2) You've "heard" from malicious or unreliable sources (I notice that you haven't stated who they are), or 3) You are telling an outright lie.
I'd like to think it's not (3). However, if that's the case, it seems to be a big misunderstanding that's been posted in full public view in a forum that you control where Sam has no voice to defend himself against accusations that I know full well are untrue. Had they been made privately, I would have PM'd you instead of writing this post publicly also. Unfortunately I don't see that as an option now.
Like I said, it's your forum. You can do what you want, post what you want, no matter how truthful or otherwise it is. But I'd be very very sure who you want to make look like an asshole here - because it sure as heck isn't Sam.
Now the way I see it, you can do one of four things here.
1) Ban me. I don't prefer this option because I've enjoyed my time here, and even though I haven't been active recently I'd certainly like to get back into the games here. But hell, them's the breaks.
2) Ignore me. In which case you've got what amounts to a public record of one of your own players calling you a liar without any explanation on your part of this.
3) Reply to my post stating exactly who the "everyone" is that you refer to, and what they've said, thereby dragging this forum into a flame war where the person being "flamed" doesn't have a voice. I can't imagine I, you or "everyone" wants this.
4) Delete the thread.
Personally I'd go for option "4". But like I said, it's your forum.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 2, 2010 20:15:37 GMT -5
Here's what happened. All messages are VERBATIM. They are not changed in any way. What you see is what was said. I sent a few messages on Facebook to people asking them if they could do me a favor and add a game (PackRat)...since it helps out those who do play it a ton. He was one of them, since I figured him and I had that advertising thing going on, that he wouldn't mind just merely adding it to help me out a bit. Nothing needs to be done in it...it just needs to be added, that's all. If you know about things on Facebook, then you know adding a game takes no time at all and is usually no trouble. I also told him (in the original message) that if he didn't want to, that was okay--that I'd understand. So I messaged him that message and got back the following reply, verbatim: "No. And it's extremely rude to ask this of me. Don't waste my time again on this stupid shit." I sent back this, verbatim: "Excuse me? How is it rude? I don't get that. I don't think it's rude at all! I think it's rude to say I'm wasting your time when I'm not. " He sent back this, verbatim: "No one gives a shit about your retarded internet game and to bother someone you don't even know, waste their time, and ask them to join up for your own personal benefit is beyond rude." By this time, I was laughing since it seemed to me the problem was he just didn't know/remember who I was. So I then, in the next message, told him, verbatim: "But we do know each other..I'm Idle Thoughts. We advertise our games on the other's boards? Hahaha." I didn't get a reply back. Instead, I got deleted off of his friends list. And so, I sent him back a more strongly worded message telling him just what he can do with HIS game. I further told him that if he didn't want to add PackRat, that it was okay, he could have just said something like "Sorry, but no." or "Ehh, not my cup of tea" or at least SOMETHING that was not like he was suffering from a severe case of constipation. Only he didn't. And, venting a little about to others who know him ( Tragic and Atarus--both members here and both members who also KNOW Sam well, I think)--I heard back this... From one: "Yeah. That sounds about par for Sam's attitude of late. He and I also seemed to have had a falling out recently. So you're in good company He'll never apologize because he's never in the wrong." From the other: "Yeah this is par for the course for Sam. He's nice and charming when he needs you to do something for him, or wants you for something, but after that he doesn't care. He plays favorites with specific friends, then makes new friends and plays favorites with them and forgets about his old favorites. He's not a bad person, he just has a very short-term "friend memory" if you get my drift." Now I'd never ban anyone for sharing their opinion, Moley, least of all you. You've done nothing wrong. You're allowed to disagree with me, and very graphically and wordily, and I'd still never ban you. And Sam may be the most outstanding guy in the word for all I know. But I don't care what you say or what you think....the exchange above that he and I had was EXTREMLY prickish and assholeish. I don't know if he was just having a bad day or week or what, but whatever it was, he took it out on me. I don't see how anyone can read those messages above and not think he wasn't being a complete and total asshole. He was. He was being a grade A prick and, as it turns out, he couldn't even apologize for it. So no, he's not going to be welcome here if he talks to me that way. If he really thinks I'm that "rude" and "retarded", he can take himself elsewhere and find another board to advertise on (which, it seems like he's already made a half assed attempt to do).
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Post by Inner Stickler on Jan 2, 2010 20:15:34 GMT -5
If Sam's as much of a man of integrity as you make him out to be, he'll contact Idle and they'll work it out. I will say that his behavior on the Dope and GB does not mesh with your characterization.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Jan 2, 2010 22:09:32 GMT -5
Then all I can say is we're talking about a different person, or someone pretending to be him. I'm talking about the host of "Spies". I don't know who you're talking about.
The idea that he would ever use this phrase especially: "No one gives a shit about your retarded internet game" is laughable. Look, one of the players in his game was nicknamed "fat-ass Gretchen", or "FAG", and he thought that was off-colour. I've seen him deal with people who've broken rules or pushed the limits of what was acceptable in his own games, and when he is angry he is coldly deliberate. He doesn't fly off the handle, he just gets a helluva lot more stubborn.
And "your retarded Internet game"? This is the guy who's hosted ELEVEN of them? There's no way, sorry.
So either you got the wrong person, or someone's pretending to be him and not doing a very good job of it. (I know a couple of people who were banned from one of his games after blatantly violating the rules who might do that.) It's that simple. I've known him for three and a half years for chrissakes. In the first ORG I played with him, he was easily the most popular player despite being eliminated early on. There's no way in hell he said something like that.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 2, 2010 22:57:58 GMT -5
That was the host of spies. Sam Burkett. FB profile here: www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=577416658That's him, yes? Well, that's who I had the exchanges with. He said it was him when we first added each other and he had the same FB profile photo as he has on his Spies site, so I don't see how there could be any mistake. Either you don't know him very well....have been lucky enough never to see that side of him....or I just caught him in a really bad time in his life and he needed to kick a proverbial puppy (me being the only one around). But from what Atarus/Pollux Oil and Tragic said, this seems to be like him. And from what we know he did on GB and the SDMB, I find it hard to miss the irony of him saying: "No one gives a shit about your retarded internet game and to bother someone you don't even know, waste their time, and ask them to join up for your own personal benefit is beyond rude." ...back then. If it's not/wasn't him, then very easy; just tell him to sign up here again and to tell me it's not/wasn't him. But since he didn't sign up again to advertise his game here--and instead went to the other boards connected to this site to try to recruit them through sneaky purposes--I think that falls a bit more in the "It was him and he knew he couldn't come back here" favor.
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Post by Tragic on Jan 2, 2010 23:10:22 GMT -5
I can confirm for you that the link you provided was Sam, Idle.
Sorry Moley, but it is an unfortunate fact that Sam is two-faced. I still like Sam alot, when I'm on his good side, but the moment you argue or offend Sam (even by so much as disagreeing with a decision of his or trying to come to terms with that decision) you are no longer on the 'nice' list. And being on the 'naughty' list is a very unpleasant and cold place to be.
Additionally I found it very telling that Sam flipped out over being PMed for an online game whereas he has been spamming and messaging people all across the internet on behalf of Spies.
For those looking to apply to the game Spies- It's fun. It's different. It's not the same level of play that you'll find here, at MS or Dope. And the activity requirement can be stiffling if you're used to goin at your own pace.
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Post by Pleonast on Jan 4, 2010 16:30:48 GMT -5
I'm just catching up with things on the SDMB and here after the holidays. I did get a PM on the Dope from a Sirsam972. A currently banned account on the Dope. I had no idea who he was so came over here to see what the news was.
He's apparently known to others here. Interesting that his new account on the SDMB was banned.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 4, 2010 18:20:53 GMT -5
He's apparently known to others here. Interesting that his new account on the SDMB was banned. I think his account was banned because of the advertising PM, which I received as well. The Dope, like many boards I've seen, has a policy against advertising other boards. I know even in the Game Forum one of the mods or an admin had deleted a thread advertising one of the games over here (IIRC, it was pedescribe who posted the "offending" thread.) After inquiring as to why the thread was deleted, the OP mentioned that he was under the impression that due to the reason this board existed he figured there wasn't a problem with advertising a game on this board in the game forum. One of the powers that be agreed and overrode the decision of the other power that be and mentioned that threads about Mafia games are a bit of an exception because the Dope can't really support multiple full games anyway and all was hunky-dory in the land of Mafia. Sirsam's PM, however, was done rather covertly. No doubt someone reported him, and I'm guessing this is why he got banned. (He was banned by the time I actually looked at the PM.) He might have been fine had he just posted to the game room, but since his board isn't a direct offshoot of the Dope like this is, maybe not.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Jan 4, 2010 20:53:06 GMT -5
Yeah I got the PM too, seemed kinda shady. I don't have any interaction with Sam but I have never known Idle to make stuff up about people.
--FCOD
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 5, 2010 18:38:33 GMT -5
Yeah I got the PM too, seemed kinda shady. I don't have any interaction with Sam but I have never known Idle to make stuff up about people. --FCOD The only interaction I've had with him (and you as well, I'm guessing) was the 3 Cops, 4 Millers, 1 Godfather, 1 Goon Gastard mini I ran.
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