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Feb 27, 2010 23:18:58 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Feb 27, 2010 23:18:58 GMT -5
I'm just playing the odds, peeker.
Bombs can blow up in a variety of ways, with a variety of triggers, targeting a variety of ways. My point being is that if we are going to have to potentially sacrifice someone to the bomb, and that someone turns out to be town, better to have that chance when all of the town's vanilla's are around to slim the chances of a town power role getting hit with shrapnel.
Or do you mean how do I know there are vanilla's in the game? That was an assumption.
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Feb 27, 2010 23:27:28 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Feb 27, 2010 23:27:28 GMT -5
I am willing to unvote him and vote right at the end of the Day to take any potential bomb damage he may give off. But I alrea..... Nah. No real reason to argue this.
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Feb 27, 2010 23:50:24 GMT -5
Post by special on Feb 27, 2010 23:50:24 GMT -5
I am willing to unvote him and vote right at the end of the Day to take any potential bomb damage he may give off. But I alrea..... Nah. No real reason to argue this. I don't think he's a bomb, but just in case... and, aside from that, we don't know he'd take out the last person to vote for him. But I've seen your claim, Meeko, and I'd venture a gess that you're more valuable to the Town than I am, though, since you can't protect yourself, I'm not sure if you'll make it until toMorrow (unless the Scum are counting on you being wrong toMorrow Night)
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Feb 28, 2010 0:27:04 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Feb 28, 2010 0:27:04 GMT -5
I'm just playing the odds, peeker. Bombs can blow up in a variety of ways, with a variety of triggers, targeting a variety of ways. My point being is that if we are going to have to potentially sacrifice someone to the bomb, and that someone turns out to be town, better to have that chance when all of the town's vanilla's are around to slim the chances of a town power role getting hit with shrapnel. Or do you mean how do I know there are vanilla's in the game? That was an assumption. it was more along the nillers, but that's cool for now. why, this whole shit about a bomb? i am inclined to believe bill for the time being. crap killing him is marginally better than mis lynching a townie. but ..... if he is what he says he is then why don't we throttle his ass. do what we say or die. seriously, having a controlled nkiller could be very powerful. i have never seen it work but have always been intrigued by having an aggressive third party survivor type at the call of town. and while i have no doubt that bill swings manana i really would like the thinkers to consider how could we leash him and perform some selected Night work that might be beneficial to town.
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Feb 28, 2010 0:40:02 GMT -5
Post by special on Feb 28, 2010 0:40:02 GMT -5
i have never seen it work but have always been intrigued by having an aggressive third party survivor type at the call of town. and while i have no doubt that bill swings manana i really would like the thinkers to consider how could we leash him and perform some selected Night work that might be beneficial to town. It's interesting, and I seem to remember leashing a SK in a game, only to have the Scum kill him. I think it works best when it's down to using the SK to reduce the number of unconfirmed. Early in the game, Town doesn't necessarily have a good idea on who to kill, and we'll also be listening to the advice of Scum...so it's probably not as good. That doesn't even take into consideration Scum protection or redirection. And the original game did have some of that going on. And since sachertorte isn't playing, there's no one to lead the entire mislynch discussion, but suffice it to say, every death of a Town reduces the number of mislynches we have by 1/2
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Feb 28, 2010 3:04:08 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Feb 28, 2010 3:04:08 GMT -5
Bill might be a bomb I realize that. But if he's not and he really does kill every Night, I think we risk too much leaving him in the game.
It would be nice if we could trust him and use him as a Town Vig - but I don't really like to trust anyone in a mafia game and I've seen to often how Town Vigs does more damage than good. Even if we tried to get consensus on the Night-kill I doubt it would work of for us.
Sorry, Bill, I just don't want to take the risk of you running around killing us all at Night:
My 1. vote on BillMC
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Feb 28, 2010 9:29:09 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Feb 28, 2010 9:29:09 GMT -5
ed i think you meant non town, but otherwise i agree.
like i said i still think bill swings. it just always fascinated me the discussions of leashing a survivor sk. because i do believe that it could provide some long term benefit, especially in mid game. the biggest drawback that i see is the whole redirect thing. because even if we came to a NK concensus for an sk if scum have a redirect then it operates as an additional NK for scum. and then you'd have all the confusion about whether if was a redirect or whether the survivor sk is really a pfk sk.
bill, if you are even still reading along at this point is your nk optional or mandatory (maybe a dumb question, i know)?
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Feb 28, 2010 11:53:42 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Feb 28, 2010 11:53:42 GMT -5
Peeker 1. mentalguy Meeko 1. BillMC, 2. luvbwfc Redskeezix 1. Drainbead, 2., 3. Luvbfwc 1. Mentalguy, 2. Meeko, 3. redskeezix Sister Coyote 1., 2. peekercpa, 3. Nanook 1. BillMC, 2., 3. Special Ed 1. BillMC, 2., 3. FCoD 1. Spec Ed, 2. Meeko, 3. Mentalguy 1. BillMC, 2., 3. Cookies 1. BillMC, 2. Spec Ed, 3. BillMC 1. FCoD, 2. Ed. Shaggy 1. Drainbead, 2. Sister C, 3. MentalG Drainbead 1.BillMC, 2., 3. Dirx: 1. BillMC, 2., 3. paulwhosomethingsomething: 1., 2., 3. redskeezix Total Lost: 1. BillMC, 2., 3.
BillMC (24): (Special Ed 1st), (Nanook 1st), (Dirx 1st), (Meeko 1st), Cookies 1st), (mentalguy 1st), (Shaggy 1st), (Total 1st) Spec. (7): (FCoD 1st), (Cookies 2nd), (BillMC 2nd) Mentalguy (6): (luvbfwc 1st), (peeker 1st) Meeko (4): (FCoD 2nd), (luvbwfc 2nd) FCoD (3): (BillMC 1st) Drainbead (3): (Reddy 1st) peekercpa (2): (Sis Coyote 2nd) luvbwfc (2): (Meeko 2nd) Redskeezix (2): (paulwhoisaghost 3rd), (luvbwfc 3rd)
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Feb 28, 2010 11:58:22 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Feb 28, 2010 11:58:22 GMT -5
Ahhhh - that's what I did last night - jeez what a hangover. Must remember not to play mafia while very very drunk.
Oh well.
And to answer Peeker, my only compulsory kill is night 1 - after that I can use whatever powers I acquire.
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Feb 28, 2010 12:52:21 GMT -5
Post by fluiddruid on Feb 28, 2010 12:52:21 GMT -5
Guys, weekends are very challenging for me and an out-of-town jaunt yesterday took longer than expected. I'm not sure I will be back by the end of the Day, but I will try.
In the meantime:
vote BillMc[/color]
The reasons should be fairly obvious, but yeah. I'll take a slam dunk on a third-party role who's going to kill someone tonight AND get a random power.
I will try to weigh in more substantively later in the afternoon if at all possible.
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Feb 28, 2010 12:52:42 GMT -5
Post by fluiddruid on Feb 28, 2010 12:52:42 GMT -5
Oh, and that should be a 1st vote. Sorry for any confusion.
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Feb 28, 2010 13:15:55 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Feb 28, 2010 13:15:55 GMT -5
Holy crap, when did games start exploding on weekends? My wife is going to a baby shower today and I was going to go see a movie while I was stuck in Orange County waiting for her, but maybe I will catch up with the game instead. I am still on page 5.
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Feb 28, 2010 13:34:55 GMT -5
Post by Inner Stickler on Feb 28, 2010 13:34:55 GMT -5
jeezy creezy, this game thread is freaking long.
Ok. I don't really have anything but feelings. Meeko is striking me as town for the moment as is Ed. I can't shake the feeling hat a lot of the arguments we've seen so far between players are townie on townie violence. I will
Vote: Billmc for 3 points
because I don't trust him. I think it's better to nip a potential SK in the bud rather than let it fester.
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Feb 28, 2010 15:50:36 GMT -5
Post by Inner Stickler on Feb 28, 2010 15:50:36 GMT -5
what the hell's a feeling hat and where did i get one? *headsmack*
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Feb 28, 2010 15:51:04 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Feb 28, 2010 15:51:04 GMT -5
otie dotie well that didn't generate as much discussion as i had hoped but maybe everyone just got all worn out yesterday.
i don't see bill being a bomb, but on the offchance and hoping to mitigate or dilute the effects that might accrue.
unvote all
vote bill
i still think mg needs to be pressured manana, however.
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Feb 28, 2010 15:54:43 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Feb 28, 2010 15:54:43 GMT -5
Whoops... just relized that my vote was a third place... I meant for it to be a 1st place worth 3 points.
Unvote: Red Skeezix Vote: Red Skeezix (1st Place: 3 points)
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Feb 28, 2010 15:57:23 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Feb 28, 2010 15:57:23 GMT -5
otie dotie well that didn't generate as much discussion as i had hoped but maybe everyone just got all worn out yesterday. i don't see bill being a bomb, but on the offchance and hoping to mitigate or dilute the effects that might accrue. unvote allvote billi still think mg needs to be pressured manana, however. and choke a chicken. unvote allvote 3 pts/first place bill
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Feb 28, 2010 15:58:16 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Feb 28, 2010 15:58:16 GMT -5
Whoops... just relized that my vote was a third place... I meant for it to be a 1st place worth 3 points. Unvote: Red Skeezix [/color] Vote: Red Skeezix (1st Place: 3 points) [/color][/quote] blink. huh. wtf?
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Feb 28, 2010 16:00:38 GMT -5
Post by Dirx on Feb 28, 2010 16:00:38 GMT -5
He gave his reasoning for voting for Red in post #315. I was puzzled too, and had to go check.
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Feb 28, 2010 16:22:58 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Feb 28, 2010 16:22:58 GMT -5
I'm just playing the odds, peeker. Bombs can blow up in a variety of ways, with a variety of triggers, targeting a variety of ways. My point being is that if we are going to have to potentially sacrifice someone to the bomb, and that someone turns out to be town, better to have that chance when all of the town's vanilla's are around to slim the chances of a town power role getting hit with shrapnel. Or do you mean how do I know there are vanilla's in the game? That was an assumption. it was more along the nillers, but that's cool for now. why, this whole shit about a bomb? i am inclined to believe bill for the time being. crap killing him is marginally better than mis lynching a townie. but ..... if he is what he says he is then why don't we throttle his ass. do what we say or die. seriously, having a controlled nkiller could be very powerful. i have never seen it work but have always been intrigued by having an aggressive third party survivor type at the call of town. and while i have no doubt that bill swings manana i really would like the thinkers to consider how could we leash him and perform some selected Night work that might be beneficial to town. In Alpha Centauri SisC was a Remorseful Vig who hit Town and had to target herself the subsequent Night. Scum had a redirector and used her to target more Town expanding their NK powers. If Scum in this game have a redirector, they could use Bill tonight to their liking, and get an extra kill Tonight. So harnessing him for Town is not a risk that I would take.
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Feb 28, 2010 16:25:25 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Feb 28, 2010 16:25:25 GMT -5
Whoops... just relized that my vote was a third place... I meant for it to be a 1st place worth 3 points. Unvote: Red Skeezix [/color] Vote: Red Skeezix (1st Place: 3 points) [/color][/quote] blink. huh. wtf?[/quote] Like Dirx said, I made my case aginst Red in #315, then cast my vote.... but when I did I messed up and said 3rd place instead 3 votes... or 1st place.... and it got counted as a single point vote. I intended for it to be a 3 point vote.
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Feb 28, 2010 16:37:04 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Feb 28, 2010 16:37:04 GMT -5
In Alpha Centauri SisC was a Remorseful Vig who hit Town and had to target herself the subsequent Night. Scum had a redirector and used her to target more Town expanding their NK powers. If Scum in this game have a redirector, they could use Bill tonight to their liking, and get an extra kill Tonight. So harnessing him for Town is not a risk that I would take. I remember that game and see your point in not counting on BILLMC to do the work of town. But if you feel like this - then why not vote to him? What do you think is the best way to deal with him?
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Feb 28, 2010 16:37:44 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Feb 28, 2010 16:37:44 GMT -5
Peeker 1. BillMC, 2., 3. Meeko 1. BillMC, 2. luvbwfc Redskeezix 1. Drainbead, 2., 3. Luvbfwc 1. Mentalguy, 2. Meeko, 3. redskeezix Sister Coyote 1., 2. peekercpa, 3. Nanook 1. BillMC, 2., 3. Special Ed 1. BillMC, 2., 3. FCoD 1. Spec Ed, 2. Meeko, 3. Mentalguy 1. BillMC, 2., 3. Cookies 1. BillMC, 2. Spec Ed, 3. BillMC 1. FCoD, 2. Ed. Shaggy 1. Drainbead, 2. Sister C, 3. MentalG Drainbead 1.BillMC, 2., 3. Dirx: 1. BillMC, 2., 3. paulwhosomethingsomething: 1. redskeezix, 2., 3. Total Lost: 1. BillMC, 2., 3. Fluiddruid: 1. BillMC, 2., 3. Inner Stickler: 1. BillMC, 2., 3.
BillMC (33): (Special Ed 1st), (Nanook 1st), (Dirx 1st), (Meeko 1st), Cookies 1st), (mentalguy 1st), (Shaggy 1st), (Total 1st), (Fluiddruid 1st), (Inner Stickler 1st), (Peekercpa 1st) Spec. (7): (FCoD 1st), (Cookies 2nd), (BillMC 2nd) Meeko (4): (FCoD 2nd), (luvbwfc 2nd) Redskeezix (4): (paulwhoisaghost 1st), (luvbwfc 3rd) Mentalguy (3): (luvbfwc 1st) FCoD (3): (BillMC 1st) Drainbead (3): (Reddy 1st) peekercpa (2): (Sis Coyote 2nd) luvbwfc (2): (Meeko 2nd)
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Feb 28, 2010 16:42:06 GMT -5
Post by Dirx on Feb 28, 2010 16:42:06 GMT -5
I think you're missing drainbead's vote on Bill. Not that the tally matters that much by this point. ;D
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Feb 28, 2010 16:49:36 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Feb 28, 2010 16:49:36 GMT -5
In Alpha Centauri SisC was a Remorseful Vig who hit Town and had to target herself the subsequent Night. Scum had a redirector and used her to target more Town expanding their NK powers. If Scum in this game have a redirector, they could use Bill tonight to their liking, and get an extra kill Tonight. So harnessing him for Town is not a risk that I would take. I remember that game and see your point in not counting on BILLMC to do the work of town. But if you feel like this - then why not vote to him? What do you think is the best way to deal with him? I explained that in #315. Firstly, I think that Red Skeezix is more likely scum than Bill. Secondly, I could give Bill my second place vote, but whats the point? So that I can be in on the voting record as being part of the lynch? At this point and at the point of my vote it wouldn't have mattered. He is going to get lynched Today, putting my vote in just puts me at risk if he is a bomb. I've already stated that I think he should be gotten rid of. And he is the lynch leader, so there isn't much I can really do to add to it. He's gonna get dead, so further action on my part would be haphazard.
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Feb 28, 2010 16:54:09 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Feb 28, 2010 16:54:09 GMT -5
I think you're missing drainbead's vote on Bill. Not that the tally matters that much by this point. ;D No! I am infallible! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Peeker 1. BillMC, 2., 3. Meeko 1. BillMC, 2. luvbwfc Redskeezix 1. Drainbead, 2., 3. Luvbfwc 1. Mentalguy, 2. Meeko, 3. redskeezix Sister Coyote 1., 2. peekercpa, 3. Nanook 1. BillMC, 2., 3. Special Ed 1. BillMC, 2., 3. FCoD 1. Spec Ed, 2. Meeko, 3. Mentalguy 1. BillMC, 2., 3. Cookies 1. BillMC, 2. Spec Ed, 3. BillMC 1. FCoD, 2. Ed. Shaggy 1. Drainbead, 2. Sister C, 3. MentalG Drainbead 1.BillMC, 2., 3. Dirx: 1. BillMC, 2., 3. paulwhosomethingsomething: 1. redskeezix, 2., 3. Total Lost: 1. BillMC, 2., 3. Fluiddruid: 1. BillMC, 2., 3. Inner Stickler: 1. BillMC, 2., 3. BillMC (36): (Special Ed 1st), (Nanook 1st), (Dirx 1st), (Meeko 1st), Cookies 1st), (mentalguy 1st), (Shaggy 1st), (Total 1st), (Fluiddruid 1st), (Inner Stickler 1st), (Peekercpa 1st) (Drainbead 1st) Spec. (7): (FCoD 1st), (Cookies 2nd), (BillMC 2nd) Meeko (4): (FCoD 2nd), (luvbwfc 2nd) Redskeezix (4): (paulwhoisaghost 1st), (luvbwfc 3rd) Mentalguy (3): (luvbfwc 1st) FCoD (3): (BillMC 1st) Drainbead (3): (Reddy 1st) peekercpa (2): (Sis Coyote 2nd) luvbwfc (2): (Meeko 2nd)
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Feb 28, 2010 16:56:40 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Feb 28, 2010 16:56:40 GMT -5
In Alpha Centauri SisC was a Remorseful Vig who hit Town and had to target herself the subsequent Night. Scum had a redirector and used her to target more Town expanding their NK powers. If Scum in this game have a redirector, they could use Bill tonight to their liking, and get an extra kill Tonight. So harnessing him for Town is not a risk that I would take.
This. With a capital THIS.
Still mobile on iPod. Suffice to say I don't get how leashing can work. In this game or EVER. False control power grab by town, it doesn't work. Wishful thinking etc. Don't suffer scum or other parties longer than needed. Playing with fire, leashing is.
I am mobile. Back after day 1 end.
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Feb 28, 2010 16:59:44 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Feb 28, 2010 16:59:44 GMT -5
NETA. Mine is a role that might need to be .... Helped, full aware of this. And I accept that. One lynch at a time and let's get past tonight first before that.
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Feb 28, 2010 17:05:25 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Feb 28, 2010 17:05:25 GMT -5
I remember that game and see your point in not counting on BILLMC to do the work of town. But if you feel like this - then why not vote to him? What do you think is the best way to deal with him? I explained that in #315. Firstly, I think that Red Skeezix is more likely scum than Bill. Secondly, I could give Bill my second place vote, but whats the point? So that I can be in on the voting record as being part of the lynch? At this point and at the point of my vote it wouldn't have mattered. He is going to get lynched Today, putting my vote in just puts me at risk if he is a bomb. I've already stated that I think he should be gotten rid of. And he is the lynch leader, so there isn't much I can really do to add to it. He's gonna get dead, so further action on my part would be haphazard. So you saying you agree on the lynch of BillMC and you think we're going the right way with this - but you don't want your vote on the record? And you're not willing to pu the 2nd or 3rd vote on him - because even that you agree on this lynch, you don't want to take any risk? I'm sorry - but I'm really having a hard time understanding that point of view. If you're town, and if he's a bomb - you saying that you'd rather see other Town risking getting blasted away than you... Why would you feel like that?
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Feb 28, 2010 17:09:54 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Feb 28, 2010 17:09:54 GMT -5
I remember that game and see your point in not counting on BILLMC to do the work of town. But if you feel like this - then why not vote to him? What do you think is the best way to deal with him? I explained that in #315. Firstly, I think that Red Skeezix is more likely scum than Bill. Secondly, I could give Bill my second place vote, but whats the point? So that I can be in on the voting record as being part of the lynch? At this point and at the point of my vote it wouldn't have mattered. He is going to get lynched Today, putting my vote in just puts me at risk if he is a bomb. I've already stated that I think he should be gotten rid of. And he is the lynch leader, so there isn't much I can really do to add to it. He's gonna get dead, so further action on my part would be haphazard. this is fucking wonderful. yeh, i would kind of guess that anyone is more likely scum than bill at this point. good catch. and you don't want to risk yourself if he is a bomb? it doesn't take a fucking einstein to figure out that you are either scum or just outed yourself. so he needs to be gotten rid of but you don't want to get your hands dirty. this is a very poor attitude and play for a townie.
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