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Day 2
Mar 5, 2010 8:50:10 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on Mar 5, 2010 8:50:10 GMT -5
Hey everyone, Sorry for the sparse posts and all. I do not mean to lurk or anything, just been verry busy with work and my imploded a little bit game on another site. Funny that one of the reasons you intend to vote for me is that I "forecasted lurking." I guess that whole adage about it being easier to ask for forgiveness than permission applies.
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Day 2
Mar 5, 2010 10:34:20 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Mar 5, 2010 10:34:20 GMT -5
FCoD, you were suspicious of both ed and meeko for there little spat in the day 1 thread. And you voted right away. But then you were suspicious enough of my slip to encourage paul to vig me, while at the same time saying you'd probably vote for me. This seems like inconsistient play to me. Why not vote for me before I claimed? It's quite possible paul was lying or would decide not to vig me. Vote: vote FCoD (3 points) Bah, simply because you already had pressure on you to claim so I figured you would anyway. I was not sure if I would be around before the end of the day to rescind my vote, so I didn't want to place it prematurely. I hate to bring RL into the game, but for the next couple weeks I might be absent for a few days here and there working on settling in, so I will probably be voting later on in the Days. I know I know, I always say vote early vote often, but it will have to be different for now. --FCOD
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Day 2
Mar 5, 2010 11:29:44 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Mar 5, 2010 11:29:44 GMT -5
Drainbead: 1., 2. paul, 3. Redskeezix: 1. FCoD, 2., 3.
FCoD (3): (Reddy 1st) Paulwhoisaghost (2): (drainbead 2nd)
A reminder: Day ends in 31 hours and exactly 2 people are voting.
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Day 2
Mar 5, 2010 12:30:42 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Mar 5, 2010 12:30:42 GMT -5
What I wouldn't do for the "Who Posted" window over here.
Let's get a reaction going.
3 Points Sinjin
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Day 2
Mar 5, 2010 12:39:19 GMT -5
Post by Inner Stickler on Mar 5, 2010 12:39:19 GMT -5
I'm going to regret this, I can tell. Why are you voting for sinjin?
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Day 2
Mar 5, 2010 13:42:37 GMT -5
Post by fluiddruid on Mar 5, 2010 13:42:37 GMT -5
well if you think trying to get a town win is "whimsical" that is your characterization. No, peeker, I think voting for a fellow Mason who is taking heat for a slip is whimsical. I think after that mason claims that you then claim too when there was no heat on either of you is whimsical. (especially the way you did it) I think voting for me because I reminded Town that there were some odd circumstances surrounding the other mason (who you had already voted for for the same exact reasons I was pointing out!) is whimsical. You might be trying to get a Town win, but it's how you're trying to do it. I completely agree. This whole thing stinks to high heaven. I honestly can't figure out why all of you would come out on Day 2 and claim. You're "defending" another Mason -- bwuh?! Have you forgotten night kills are in play?! Masons are powerful town roles -- well, at least they usually are, adding at least one third party mason sullies that a bit. I'm sorry but I honestly can't figure you guys out. I can't see it at scum behavior, either, because I can't imagine any scum player would possibly want to throw themselves in front of another scum player -- it's a death sentence, sooner or later. But unless there's some really compelling about your roles you're not telling us, I have no idea why on earth you all did this. Maybe it's my inexperience with games with so many power roles in play - I can't even remember being in a third-party-role game, though I tend to die early - but I have no freaking idea what is going on. If your goal was to confuse and alarm, well, you win. So if you guys are Masons, please step forward and let's talk about who on earth we're lynching today. I'd be interested to hear your cases.
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Day 2
Mar 5, 2010 14:05:34 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Mar 5, 2010 14:05:34 GMT -5
Well, although I'm not a mason, I'm looking kind of slantwise at Dirx at the moment.
You're usually a low post-count poster, which I'm not one to comment about since I can swing either way. But toDay's posts have consisted of fluff about paul's roleclaim, then a whole bunch of back-and-forth with paul about his role (and, yeah, checking motivations makes sense for the game, but something about the interaction just feels off to me), and a question to Shaggy about his #1 vote candidate from yesterDay.
And I don't even remember what you posted yesterDay.
Vote: Dirx -- 3 points
Also,
Vote: Shaggy -- 2 points
because the Bill/drainbead lack of clarity is just weird.
and
Vote: Meeko - 1 point
for consistently giving no explanation for his reasons for voting. If it's all lynch the lurker, then say so. If it's because sinjin subbed in for NAF and you're operating on the theory that it's more likely a Scum would be subbed than modkilled, then for god's sake say that! Town can't move forward without motivations, as dirx said.
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Day 2
Mar 5, 2010 15:21:15 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on Mar 5, 2010 15:21:15 GMT -5
That whole post from SC above is just weird. I understand that people are finding it difficult to vote toDay, what with all the roleclaims and it still being early in the game, but this just reads like trumping up reasons. Maybe it's just that it was clear to me that Shaggy intended upon voting for me because I remembered my run-in with him yesterDay, but even if you can't remember who he was voting for other than Bill, it's pretty clear to me that he's not going to come back and vote for the dead guy. So the fact that two people have questioned him on it, and one is using it as an excuse to vote for him, is just bizarre. Add in a 3-point vote for essentially someone flying under the radar, and a one-point vote for someone who has a) claimed Town, and b) claimed a role that can be somewhat proven, just because he consistently has the exact same playstyle from game to game (which admittedly makes him very frustrating, but does not necessarily make him more likely to be Scum in this one), and it looks like someone who is reaching for reasons to vote people, which IS Scummy.
Vote: 3 point vote for Sister Coyote
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Day 2
Mar 5, 2010 15:35:30 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Mar 5, 2010 15:35:30 GMT -5
Bah; I didn't think I had to go to work today......wrong. Will try to get to firgure out what the hell is going on in this game before day's end. I haven't paid attention to it since the first day of Day 1.
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Day 2
Mar 5, 2010 15:47:38 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Mar 5, 2010 15:47:38 GMT -5
So... I'm gonna place a first place vote for Inner Stickler as soon as I get home. I had an entire WoW (unimpressive one at that) and reasons and what not written up.... then I click preview and everything went to shit and I lost it. So.... I'll redo it all when I get home.. I don't have to do so now.
I'm holding off on voting until then, because I don't want to vote without providing all my reasoning. But I wanted to make sure you guys knew who I intended to vote for as soon as possible.
On another note.... are we pretty much in agreement for me not to use my power Today?
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Day 2
Mar 5, 2010 15:51:23 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Mar 5, 2010 15:51:23 GMT -5
I must say, I go for a little while and all hell breaks loose. As I was reading the thread, I was inclined to agree with Red's logic, and then we got to the wincon thing. I couldn't remember if my own PM had a wincon, so I went to check it, and of course, it doesn't list one. Curious. Very curious. But I do like Red's logic in that the game doesn't seem large enough to support the number of killers we have. I wonder if this isn't an attempt at a scum bussing to get Red some cred that went wrong due to the whole wincon thing. Good thing we have a vote system that allows us to hedge our bets. Vote: 3 point vote for Red Skeezix 2 point vote for paul [/olor] I am comfortable with Paul punching Red, and if he does, I'll almost certainly remove my vote on paul if Red is Scum. Although, re-reading the role claim, it doesn't say when we'll find out the target's alignment. Paul, do you know? Hey Drain, are you voting me because you think I am scum? You never have provided reasonings behind your suspicions of me as scum.... just that you disagree with the way I have played my role.
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Day 2
Mar 5, 2010 16:35:35 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Mar 5, 2010 16:35:35 GMT -5
Drainbead: 1. Sis Coyote, 2. paul, 3. Redskeezix: 1. FCoD, 2., 3. Meeko: 1. Sinjin, 2., 3. Sis Coyote: 1. Dirx, 2. Shaggy, 3. Meeko
Sis Coyote (3): (Drainbead 1st) Dirx (3): (Sis Coyote 1st) Sinjin (3): (Meeko 1st) FCoD (3): (Reddy 1st) Paulwhoisaghost (2): (drainbead 2nd) Shaggy (2): (Sis Coyote 2nd) Meeko (1): (Sis Coyote 3rd)
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Day 2
Mar 5, 2010 16:36:38 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 5, 2010 16:36:38 GMT -5
On another note.... are we pretty much in agreement for me not to use my power Today? I think your power would be great to have later in the game when we need to eliminate a known (or mostly known) Scum or diminish the unclaimed pool. That said, you are a target for the Scum, so you might not make it there. Still, just the same, we don't have a good target right now, and I'd hate to hit a Town with it.
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Day 2
Mar 5, 2010 16:44:45 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Mar 5, 2010 16:44:45 GMT -5
On another note.... are we pretty much in agreement for me not to use my power Today? I think your power would be great to have later in the game when we need to eliminate a known (or mostly known) Scum or diminish the unclaimed pool. That said, you are a target for the Scum, so you might not make it there. Still, just the same, we don't have a good target right now, and I'd hate to hit a Town with it. That pretty much exactly sums up my feelings on the matter.
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Day 2
Mar 5, 2010 16:57:31 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Mar 5, 2010 16:57:31 GMT -5
Okay Round 2. So... there are players in this game who's actions have pinged me. And others that have given me warm fuzzies.... but IS.... well.... look at the cumulation of his Day 2 posts. <font style="font-size: 12px;">Interesting. So Total needed to lynch RabidCookies but scum inadvertently interfered. And she was a mason. A variant on the last game I suppose. Well, paul? You said you had stuff to share come the dawn? Comments on something that won't help us find scum at all.... then nudges me for the info I said I would release at Dawn. <font style="font-size: 12px;">My other wonder is was cookies killed because she got too close to something or were scum just avoiding the whole meeko/paul imbroglio and ridding themselves of a pretty competent player as well? I wondered this too... why Cookies? But I left it alone because I came to the conclusion that it was fruitless to ponder why scum chose who they chose. <font style="font-size: 12px;">It could be that the game has a bunch of roleblockers floating around as well and Pede is hoping that there will be a lot of cancellation going on. Helpful... I guess.... <font style="font-size: 12px;"> Are you required to kill?
--FCOD He's already said that he chose not to kill Yesterday. ... <font style="font-size: 12px;">I'm going to regret this, I can tell. Why are you voting for sinjin? Yawn.... So.... in it's entirety, there isn't one post that contributes anything to scum hunting. So while he isn't really lurking... he's not participating either. I believe Peek uses the term "clean noser". I prefer to think of it as LSS or Lazy Scum Syndrome. I've had it before. You lie low and participate just enough that people know you are around, but there is no attention falling on you. You don't attempt to build false cases against people, you let Town be their own folly. The sum of it is, if IS is town, I would think they would be asking more hard hitting questions and be trying harder to find scum. The only real question IS has asked was poking me for info I said I would provide. And even then, I could see scum wanting that info just as much as, if not more than, town. So... for being a lazy scum... Vote: Inner Stickler for 1st place, 3 point vote
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Day 2
Mar 5, 2010 17:15:51 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Mar 5, 2010 17:15:51 GMT -5
@paul: I follow your reasoning for the IS vote. What is your opinion of fluid's request for the mason's to come forward with their cases?
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Day 2
Mar 5, 2010 17:38:56 GMT -5
Post by Inner Stickler on Mar 5, 2010 17:38:56 GMT -5
Lemme get this straight: you're voting me for not being scummy?
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Day 2
Mar 5, 2010 17:39:15 GMT -5
Post by shaggy on Mar 5, 2010 17:39:15 GMT -5
Hey everyone, Well gotta make a few comments here: Hey everyone, Sorry for the sparse posts and all. I do not mean to lurk or anything, just been verry busy with work and my imploded a little bit game on another site. Funny that one of the reasons you intend to vote for me is that I "forecasted lurking." I guess that whole adage about it being easier to ask for forgiveness than permission applies. Well I gotta give you this, now it would be more for the trying to get the hands dirty comment that to me still seems weird. Now that by itself is not the best so i think I will do a big reread, now that I have time to tonight. Though I also have to say in regards to this: That whole post from SC above is just weird. I understand that people are finding it difficult to vote toDay, what with all the roleclaims and it still being early in the game, but this just reads like trumping up reasons. Maybe it's just that it was clear to me that Shaggy intended upon voting for me because I remembered my run-in with him yesterDay, but even if you can't remember who he was voting for other than Bill, it's pretty clear to me that he's not going to come back and vote for the dead guy. So the fact that two people have questioned him on it, and one is using it as an excuse to vote for him, is just bizarre. Add in a 3-point vote for essentially someone flying under the radar, and a one-point vote for someone who has a) claimed Town, and b) claimed a role that can be somewhat proven, just because he consistently has the exact same playstyle from game to game (which admittedly makes him very frustrating, but does not necessarily make him more likely to be Scum in this one), and it looks like someone who is reaching for reasons to vote people, which IS Scummy. Vote: 3 point vote for Sister Coyote [/color][/quote] I kinda have to agree with you here. I mean how could I have spelled it out anymore then I did? I mean if you actually read the vote post against you, to me it is pretty clear why I voted you drainbead . And Bill, how can you not be clear there? I mean the guy was a SK, even if he was a 3rd party, it still means he is a non-town killer. So to me that is not a really good thing to keep around. Let's be honest here, his wincon may not effect us but his actions sure could. And that was a liability I was not comfortable keeping in the game. So yeah i am kinda confused as to what was not clear about my votes. I was thinking of holding off a vote till a complete reread of the last day and today but since I can always change if something bigger screams at me. So I will: vote SisterC 3 points Call it OMGUS if you want but for me it is the reasons for the number 2 vote yesterday being some inconsitancies in the posting and now compounded by what apears to me to be a verry weak attempt at finding anything you can to place a vote. This just seems like an attempt to make a "safe" vote. Which really rubs me the wrong way.
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Day 2
Mar 5, 2010 17:40:30 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on Mar 5, 2010 17:40:30 GMT -5
I must say, I go for a little while and all hell breaks loose. As I was reading the thread, I was inclined to agree with Red's logic, and then we got to the wincon thing. I couldn't remember if my own PM had a wincon, so I went to check it, and of course, it doesn't list one. Curious. Very curious. But I do like Red's logic in that the game doesn't seem large enough to support the number of killers we have. I wonder if this isn't an attempt at a scum bussing to get Red some cred that went wrong due to the whole wincon thing. Good thing we have a vote system that allows us to hedge our bets. Vote: 3 point vote for Red Skeezix 2 point vote for paul [/olor] I am comfortable with Paul punching Red, and if he does, I'll almost certainly remove my vote on paul if Red is Scum. Although, re-reading the role claim, it doesn't say when we'll find out the target's alignment. Paul, do you know? Hey Drain, are you voting me because you think I am scum? You never have provided reasonings behind your suspicions of me as scum.... just that you disagree with the way I have played my role. To extrapolate what I said earlier--there are a LOT of killing roles out there. If you were the role you've claimed to be, and had the motivations you've claimed to have, I would have expected you to play your role very differently than you have. So I disbelieve your role claim more than I do Meeko's. You've just seemed inconsistent with things in a way that he has not. So I think that makes it possible that you're Scum.
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Day 2
Mar 5, 2010 18:18:36 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Mar 5, 2010 18:18:36 GMT -5
Lemme get this straight: you're voting me for not being scummy? No... I'm voting you because you haven't been anything. It's not scummy to be suspicious of people, yet you have not voiced any suspicions. It's not scummy to question people, yet you haven't asked any hard hitting questions. It's not even scummy to vote someone you think is scum and end up being wrong.... and yet today you haven't even made a peep about who you intend to vote for or where your suspicions lie. I'm not voting you because you aren't scummy. I'm voting you for not playing like I would expect town to play. Either you are lazy scum, or you are town who is too scared of seeming scummy to play the game. If everyone were to play the way that you are playing, we would never get anywhere and scum would easily win. Everyone is guilty until proven innocent. Right now, in my eyes, you are the person with the least amount of proof on their side.
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Day 2
Mar 5, 2010 18:23:32 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Mar 5, 2010 18:23:32 GMT -5
Hey Drain, are you voting me because you think I am scum? You never have provided reasonings behind your suspicions of me as scum.... just that you disagree with the way I have played my role. To extrapolate what I said earlier--there are a LOT of killing roles out there. If you were the role you've claimed to be, and had the motivations you've claimed to have, I would have expected you to play your role very differently than you have. So I disbelieve your role claim more than I do Meeko's. You've just seemed inconsistent with things in a way that he has not. So I think that makes it possible that you're Scum. But my inconsistencies aren't as scummy as SisC's reaching? She got your 1st place vote where I got a 2nd. It would seem to me that if you believe I am lying about my role, then I must be scum... and if you believe I am scum I would have gotten a 1st place vote from you.
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Day 2
Mar 5, 2010 18:24:56 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Mar 5, 2010 18:24:56 GMT -5
Just looked at the players list.... Although Total Lost has lost the game, she is still listed as Alive. Meeko, if you are nervous about having to mando kill tonight you could target her... or so it would seem anyway.
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Day 2
Mar 5, 2010 18:27:06 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Mar 5, 2010 18:27:06 GMT -5
Hey Drain, are you voting me because you think I am scum? You never have provided reasonings behind your suspicions of me as scum.... just that you disagree with the way I have played my role. To extrapolate what I said earlier--there are a LOT of killing roles out there. If you were the role you've claimed to be, and had the motivations you've claimed to have, I would have expected you to play your role very differently than you have. So I disbelieve your role claim more than I do Meeko's. You've just seemed inconsistent with things in a way that he has not. So I think that makes it possible that you're Scum. And actually.... that's not what you said earlier. Your main point when you voted me was that you thought Drain and I were in cahoots in an effort to bus me for him to get some cred. And yet when you unvoted Red you left the vote on me.
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Day 2
Mar 5, 2010 18:36:34 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Mar 5, 2010 18:36:34 GMT -5
@paul: I follow your reasoning for the IS vote. What is your opinion of fluid's request for the mason's to come forward with their cases? You are asking Player A what he thinks about Player B asking Players C and D for who they think should be lynched? Where is the logic here? What is to gained from this? I'll answer the question... I just don't see the point. I agree that in a normal game, were Masons are usually all town, that once outed they are usually looked to as a trusted source for who they are suspicious of. In that situation everyone else could be just throwing other people out there as their suspicions to seem town. However, in this situation we lose that level of trust a little. The only Mason who has flipped so far has been 3rd party. And while I tend to believe that the other masons are town (even if they are also 3rd party I don't much care because that means they can win with us), it does reduce the level with which I am willing to allow them to lead my thought process. Besides that, every player should be thinking for themselves. If something they read makes sense to them and it stands out as something they overlooked, then great run with it. But the masons don't necessarily have some magical inside knowledge the rest of us don't. They are just as likely to be wrong as the rest of us. I suppose there could be a potential to accuse Fluid of trying to find somewhere to park their vote and justifying it as following after the masons.... but I'm not prepared to take that jump.
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Day 2
Mar 5, 2010 20:06:46 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Mar 5, 2010 20:06:46 GMT -5
Just looked at the players list.... Although Total Lost has lost the game, she is still listed as Alive. Meeko, if you are nervous about having to mando kill tonight you could target her... or so it would seem anyway. A clerical error. My apologies.
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Day 2
Mar 5, 2010 22:28:58 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Mar 5, 2010 22:28:58 GMT -5
fish much fluid?
skeez posted total's pm. he posted his. yeh, we knew we had a third party winner in out group, so what? she also had a power that we were trying to figure out how to leverage for town's benefit, since that is what skeez and i are.
i tend to believe meeko and mental at this point.
i know that i was blocked and mental admitted to performing an action on me. there was only one kill last night. therefore i tend to believe meeko. that's why i suggested that mental reprise it on meeko.
and just so it's clear what i did was only tacitly talked about on the mason board. skeez was going to take it in the chops to keep me from doing something rash. but because of the above and what i know about us it felt like the right play to make for town.
and this is where it gets tough for scum. they take a poke at me or skeez and when either of us flip town any worry about a whole non town mason kind of crap tumbles about their heads. because i tell you right now skeez is town. and if i am a town mason (for those who doubt) i sure wouldn't make that statement.
so it may be whimsical but i am playing for a town win.
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Day 2
Mar 5, 2010 22:37:37 GMT -5
Post by MentalGuy on Mar 5, 2010 22:37:37 GMT -5
Before I get to any sort of analysis, let me ask this.
Why is this Day only 4 days long when in the rules it said it would be 5?
I was thinking the Day ended on Sunday again.
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Day 2
Mar 5, 2010 22:41:38 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Mar 5, 2010 22:41:38 GMT -5
and because we are getting close to the end of Day
vote drain - three points
vote fluid - one point
the first for already stated reasons.
the third for some really blatant fishing.
i have moved ed off the clean noser list. he is now on the most likely scum list but drain still gets the nod.
and shoot if we are not supposed to be so blunt just feel free to correct me.
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Day 2
Mar 5, 2010 23:11:49 GMT -5
Post by special on Mar 5, 2010 23:11:49 GMT -5
Lemme get this straight: you're voting me for not being scummy? A list of things I hate: 1. Unprovoked Vanilla claims, especially on Day 1 2. "I'm a power role" slips 3. Cheese Puffs 4. People who answer a case against them only by smearing the actual case and not responding to anything that was said. This is a #4. Now granted, the case wasn't rock solid, but it had points. Inner ignored those points and mischaracterized the case against them. Now, sometimes peeker is on the giving end of a #4. This time, he's on the receiving end. What troubles me is that this tactic seems to be getting more and more popular by players who end up flipping Town. When did we stop answering the cases against us? When did we get so OMGUS-ish that we just assume someone making a case against us must be Scum just because they are wrong and therefore not worthy of a response? Now, Granted, I have no idea if Inner is Scum or Town. At this point, I'm leaning a little more to the Scum side. Because this is a behavior a Town Inner should never ever exhibit.
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Day 2
Mar 5, 2010 23:19:26 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Mar 5, 2010 23:19:26 GMT -5
Lemme get this straight: you're voting me for not being scummy? A list of things I hate: 1. Unprovoked Vanilla claims, especially on Day 1 2. "I'm a power role" slips 3. Cheese Puffs 4. People who answer a case against them only by smearing the actual case and not responding to anything that was said. This is a #4. Now granted, the case wasn't rock solid, but it had points. Inner ignored those points and mischaracterized the case against them. Now, sometimes peeker[/u] is on the giving end of a #4. This time, he's on the receiving end.[/quote] Did you mean me? If not, you lost me.
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