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Post by peekercpa on Apr 27, 2010 14:52:20 GMT -5
Good guess but no. This has to do with potentially relocating to the other side of the country and getting a largish pay raise in the process. It's a long shot, but it's possible. The waiting is the hardest part though. well that could be grand if that's what you and your partner want. the only caveat that i would give from an old fart's perspecitve is that i went from doing what i loved at about 60k to something that was marginal at about 180k. ended up in fucking rehab and no one will talk to me anymore. so it was kind of a net negative. but gd, my portolio is kicking rear. so, i'll root for you if it's what you want, but if it's just the benjis then i would counsel a deep breath and make sure that it's good for the missus and the little one. but back to the game. lynch lurker/non participant. and while i agree that a whole lot of "go aways" are just noobie town that didn't know that the crud they were signing up for i have also seen scum disappear. so that's kind of null in my book. i am just tired of having folks fall off the map and don't think it is fair to either their team (regardless of alignment), their fellow players and maybe even more significantly to the mods who really extend the most effort. so while i don't understand your play you get kind of get out of jail free card as long as we have other folks that are not even freaking engaged. just my two cents of course. and no shit, good luck NAF.
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 27, 2010 16:16:21 GMT -5
So we are on two pages of almost nothing but me an peek talking to each other.
That's kinda neat. I wonder how long we can get this thread before other people start playing along?
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Post by shaggy on Apr 27, 2010 17:06:57 GMT -5
And here I am all most tempted to start today off with a vote for you. Cause you spend the entire day screaming to high heaven that it is unimaginable that we would be voting to lynch Pleo and then in the end, you vote the guy. I am sorry but to me that just really seems odd. I mean yes the guy was playing his own little game and was a bit frustrating to say the least but still, the point is to go from getting frustrated because people were voting him and therefore was the vote lead, to jumping on the bandwagon and helping lynch the guy, just seems really odd to me. I voted for Pleo in spite of the fact that I thought he was the town doctor. He was playing in an anti town fashion and more or less saying that he planned to do the same for the duration of the game. I don't know why. We had lynches to burn and without him being able to confirm himself and with the cop dead he wasn't worth much more than vanilla. I don't regret the vote or the result. Correct me here but would he not be able to confirm himself if he decided one night not self protected and therefore lets say he stopped a kill? I mean we know that there is no RB or anything in here since our mod said town or scum the only roles possibly in the game were the ones listed at the start. So if we had got a night of no kill then we would know it had to have been him. Yes at the start we did not know if they all were but we did know none others are in the game. So he still could have confirmed himself, possibly. Yes it is unlikely but not impossible, I mean I can think of atleast one game off the top of my head, where I have played a doctor and have actually picked right and stoped the kill. Also I said this in regards to my vote yesterday and will again, yes I think we may have miss liynhces but that I do not agree that we should just burn them away on players we do not like the way they are playing, we should try and have them on players we really make a mistake and accidentally miss lynch. Atleast that is my opinion here.
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Post by shaggy on Apr 27, 2010 17:12:10 GMT -5
i just unvoted you and will, in almost all probability, leave my vote where it is for the duration (pending any participation). but i just don't get this attititude having been felled by its use many times. First off, peek, you know me. I have never once voted for you for how you participate in the game. I rarely vote for people for being anti town if I don't think they are scum. You know this. Pleo was determined to get lynched. I don't know why, but he clearly was. He was posting in such a way that it was impossible for him not to get lynched because he was refusing to do any of the things that would have kept him safe. Any of the things that any other person playing a power role would do. There was never any chance that he wasn't going to be lynched after what happened yesterDay, it was just a matter of when. Like I said in my post where I voted for him, the guy was practically daring us to lynch him. As far as I am concerned that's a suicide. I don't think a doc is a big loss at this point, particularly his doc since he would never be confirmed town, because docs very rarely stop a scum kill unless that attack is on a confirmed townie. After the cop is dead the only real value of the doc in this sort of setup is to be a confirmed townie, otherwise they really are almost vanilla. I am back to Shaggy mostly because I liked what Ed had to say when I voted for him yesterDay. Does that give any of you a reason to vote for shaggy? No. Does it give any of you a reason to think that Ed is town? No. But I feel comfortable with the vote. Again, I am voting for Shaggy primarily because of who was killed on Night 1. I do not believe that TL was picked out as the cop, rather I believe she was killed either by random selection or because the scum had someone who is friends with her on their team. Shaggy fits that bill and his reaction to my vote is what I would expect from scum which acts as my confirmation. This does get weaker as the game goes on, but Shaggy didn't have a lot to say yesterDay (also scummy) so there isn't much to build on. 2. Cookies 3. Special Ed 4. Luv 6. Shaggy 9. Fisheroo 10. ducduc 12. Zuma 13. Peekercpa Of the above list I believe that Ed, Cookies, Luv and Fisheroo are town. Ducduc has stopped playing which makes me think he is probably town too. Newbies are generally more involved when they are scum (generally, not always. There are exceptions). That leaves you, zuma and shaggy as my prime scum suspects and of the three shaggy is still the one I am most confident about. Though i think the issue I have is he was already in the lynch lead, so really I still see if you thought he was town and possibly a doc then still why vote the guy? I mean he was already as you even said, was going to be lynched, so there really was no need to vote him unless it was to make absolutely sure he is in fact lynched. Atleast that is my thinking anyways. Now part of your idea is what Ed said about your vote: You say tomato I say your crazy. Forgive me for not buying into your string theory case against shaggy. You liked this and that makes you want to continue with the vote? Dude I am so confused. Now as for the I had not alot to say, so we are going to look at post count=town or scum. Well let's look at the list of your I believe is town: Luv yesterday posted 2 times Coockies posted 9 Ed posted 17 Fisheroo 5 times I posted 6, so would that not mean 2 out of your 4 had less then even I did to say yesterday, yet why are they not on the scumdar even more then I am? I mean if you are using the amount to say as a reason, would they not be higher on the suspect list? Especially when and for obvious reasons for me to say, since I voted the person...yesterday in my opinion had a real poor vote. Anyway that is my 2 cents opinion here.
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Post by peekercpa on Apr 27, 2010 17:31:46 GMT -5
So we are on two pages of almost nothing but me an peek talking to each other. That's kinda neat. I wonder how long we can get this thread before other people start playing along? kind of like regis and kathy lee? but now i see that shaggy has chimed in so i guess one of us gets to be that freakishly skinny (now) al weather person dude. talk about testimony for how to lose weight and look really unhealthy all at the same time. note to self: staples are for paper not the colon. staples are for paper not the colon. lather, rinse, repeat ad infinitum.
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Post by shaggy on Apr 27, 2010 17:34:25 GMT -5
So we are on two pages of almost nothing but me an peek talking to each other. That's kinda neat. I wonder how long we can get this thread before other people start playing along? kind of like regis and kathy lee? but now i see that shaggy has chimed in so i guess one of us gets to be that freakishly skinny (now) al weather person dude. talk about testimony for how to lose weight and look really unhealthy all at the same time. note to self: staples are for paper not the colon. staples are for paper not the colon. lather, rinse, repeat ad infinitum. Or i can simply count me as feakishly skinny for both of you. LOL
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Post by peekercpa on Apr 27, 2010 17:48:53 GMT -5
and i am going to paraphrase shaggy in my own words so if i screw it up or infer something other than intended shaggy gets a free punch at me.
NAF voted for shaggy because of "string theory". one reaction was supposed to mean, aha i got a scum. the reaction was the exact opposite so of course the conclustion was: wait for it, it's a whopper.
aha, i got a scum.
then in his own estimation he changes his vote to someone he is convinced is town. not only town, but the doc - in his own words. why: because he is playing "anti town". wtf?
then he makes a conclusion about who is town. ok, i think that's what we all do at some place in our mind. but he gives shaggy grief for not playing while putting fishy in the assumed town bucket. crap, fishy got my vote for NOT participating. crud, a silly gf statement followed by a vote with no reason followed with a couple of i'll be back laters.
i really really get the impression that NAF is something and so will not vote him at this point. but sheesh, dude, if you are town you need to pull your pleo out.
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 27, 2010 17:55:25 GMT -5
Correct me here but would he not be able to confirm himself if he decided one night not self protected and therefore lets say he stopped a kill? I mean we know that there is no RB or anything in here since our mod said town or scum the only roles possibly in the game were the ones listed at the start. So if we had got a night of no kill then we would know it had to have been him. No, because there could be a different doc who is not claiming for god only knows what reason or he might be a mason because he refused to tell us that he wasn't so the block wasn't him. Possible but vanishinly unlikely. He wasn't vanilla, but I would put him at worth 1.25 or 1.5 vanilla at most once the cop was dead. Like I said to peek, at that point it was more a protest vote than anything. He was going to be lynched anyway, I was voting for him because he was asking us to. I said that at the time. As for the rest of your second post, I think you are misunderstanding some of what I was saying. Nothing happens in isolation. I think luv is town based on things that happened Day 1. His lack of participation on Day 2 has nothing to do with that. Same with Fisheroo. Your lack of posting is not in and of itself a scum tell. But with the other stuff that is going on it adds to the case. A lot of my case against you is circumstantial, I know that, but good scum will never allow you to find anything more than circumstantial evidence against them. When you start looking at the evidence and one person has a mountain of circumstantial stuff on against them and no one else has much of anything, the guy with the case built on circumstance starts to look good.
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 27, 2010 18:10:35 GMT -5
and i am going to paraphrase shaggy in my own words so if i screw it up or infer something other than intended shaggy gets a free punch at me. NAF voted for shaggy because of "string theory". one reaction was supposed to mean, aha i got a scum. the reaction was the exact opposite so of course the conclustion was: wait for it, it's a whopper. aha, i got a scum. This is the part I don't understand. I don't follow how that is what I did, because in my mind it's not. 1)I voted Shaggy on a weak case that I think out of all the players he is the most likely to target TL for Night kill. I don't say that is the reason at the time I vote though, because I want to see how he reacts to a vote. I am ready, at the time, to remove my vote if he reacts in a manner that I feel is consistent with town behavior. I am sorry that I can't explain properly why some people's reactions feel townie to me while others feel scummy. It varys person to person and it's a gut level thing for me. I find that I have a better than random shooting average when it comes to this sort of analysis though, so I am willing to go with it. 2)Shaggy's reaction was not consistent with any of the many reactions I would expect to get from town, but more importantly it is consistent with some of the many reactions I have watched scum team mates of games past give when they receive votes for no good reason. 3) I state both item 1 and 2 at that point, though apparently not very clearly since I am still talking about this a full Day later. Later on in that Day I decided to test things out and vote for Ed based on some behavior that Day. After seeing Ed's reaction to the vote I decided that I think he is actually town. My vote for Pleo I have covered several times. In the last couple of pages. You might not like it, but it is what it is. I do make conclusions about who is town. Who doesn't? I am posting them in the game thread, because I don't see any reason not to at this point. I might be wrong but at least everyone knows exactly where I stand. I agree that fisheroo hasn't been playing much, neither has luv, but they both landed on my townie list on Day 1 and haven't done anything to move themselves off. It sucks that a couple of lurkers are on that list but what are you going to do. Lurking is not exclusive to scum. If it was the game would be over already since only you and me are really talking so far toDay peek. (Shaggy and zuma a bit too, but not much) Your impression is wrong. I am not a mason, I already claimed that. The cop and the doc are already dead. I'm just vanilla. If you want to vote for me because you think the above is scummy, then you should. If you think I am playing badly...well then, sorry to disappoint you peek. I play better when people talk more. When the game is silent, or there is only one topic of conversation I have to start pushing in order to figure stuff out.
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Post by shaggy on Apr 27, 2010 18:11:52 GMT -5
You know what I find with regards to scum? I find alot of times is people playing scum sometimes fall into the bad habbit of trying to hard to create suspicion and cases. And no offence but you really scream like you are trying so hard to justify a case you are trying to make. Like you are trying to force suspicioun out there.
Dunno for sure but it kinda does come across like that to me anyways.
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 27, 2010 18:15:17 GMT -5
You know what I find with regards to scum? I find alot of times is people playing scum sometimes fall into the bad habbit of trying to hard to create suspicion and cases. And no offence but you really scream like you are trying so hard to justify a case you are trying to make. Like you are trying to force suspicioun out there. Dunno for sure but it kinda does come across like that to me anyways. Nice job of deflection there Shaggy. A+ I am not trying hard to defend a case, I am explaining it because I have been asked about it. Would you rather I ignore the questions or the people who restate my case incorrectly? I honestly didn't expect to keep on you yesterDay when I first voted, but every time you have posted about my vote since I first placed it has made me more and more certain that I am right.
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Post by peekercpa on Apr 27, 2010 18:19:52 GMT -5
and that's fair enough NAF. crap, i love my wife but even we get into it when it's just the two of us for too long.
but, of course, now it appears that our red headed skinny weatherchild has joined the fray so maybe that will be good.
i'll back off. being unemployed makes one a little too focused on this type of shit. i mean tv sucks like a hoover and how many times can one watch 300 before even it gets boring.
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Post by peekercpa on Apr 27, 2010 18:20:43 GMT -5
ok, apparantly shaggy can act in my place for a bit.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Apr 27, 2010 18:45:45 GMT -5
I don't know what it is, but it just feels like there is a little tainted cloud that hovered over the previous incarnation of this game and is still hovering over this one. Things are just...off. I still don't get NAF's case against Shaggy. It seems to boil down to metagame reasons with respect to Shaggy and TL for which I have no opinion or context.
Then we have zuma who decides to grace us with what looks like a joke vote, which doesn't help. If he is truly wanting to lynch NAF I'd like to know why.
I think I'll try harassing him until he contributes some more or throws a hotdog at me.
Vote zuma [/color]
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Post by shaggy on Apr 27, 2010 18:48:44 GMT -5
You know what I find with regards to scum? I find alot of times is people playing scum sometimes fall into the bad habbit of trying to hard to create suspicion and cases. And no offence but you really scream like you are trying so hard to justify a case you are trying to make. Like you are trying to force suspicioun out there. Dunno for sure but it kinda does come across like that to me anyways. Nice job of deflection there Shaggy. A+ I am not trying hard to defend a case, I am explaining it because I have been asked about it. Would you rather I ignore the questions or the people who restate my case incorrectly? I honestly didn't expect to keep on you yesterDay when I first voted, but every time you have posted about my vote since I first placed it has made me more and more certain that I am right. I am not sure I follow how it was a deflection but ok. Since what is your case? The fact that I have her on my friend list on FB and that I apprently commented less then others yesterday. Sorry but as I kinda said, it looks more like an attempt to make a case then a case. And me posting makes you more certain begs the same question should I just ignore the case and not comment on it? Should I not address any issue someone has with my posting or anything? But hey if your happy with it, knock your self out. I just do not follow it or see a case at all. I know I am bias here but hey.
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 27, 2010 18:58:31 GMT -5
1)I voted Shaggy on a weak case that I think out of all the players he is the most likely to target TL for Night kill. I don't say that is the reason at the time I vote though, because I want to see how he reacts to a vote. I am ready, at the time, to remove my vote if he reacts in a manner that I feel is consistent with town behavior. I am sorry that I can't explain properly why some people's reactions feel townie to me while others feel scummy. It varys person to person and it's a gut level thing for me. I find that I have a better than random shooting average when it comes to this sort of analysis though, so I am willing to go with it. 2)Shaggy's reaction was not consistent with any of the many reactions I would expect to get from town, but more importantly it is consistent with some of the many reactions I have watched scum team mates of games past give when they receive votes for no good reason. 3) I state both item 1 and 2 at that point, though apparently not very clearly since I am still talking about this a full Day later.
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 27, 2010 19:01:38 GMT -5
Also, you have to take into account my feelings on the other people in the game.
I have listed reasons for why I feel all of them are not scum, though I honestly don't remember my reasoning for feeling that Cookies isn't scum anymore.
I am more than willing to change my mind on any of this, but until people start talking more I am going off what I can see.
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 27, 2010 19:04:18 GMT -5
NETA Also, you have to take into account my feelings on the other people in the game. I have listed reasons for why I feel all of them are not scum, though I honestly don't remember my reasoning for feeling that Cookies isn't scum anymore. That should say, why all of them but you, peek and zuma aren't scum.
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Post by fisheroo on Apr 27, 2010 21:03:15 GMT -5
Home after a 15 hour day. Trying to get a whole shitload of work done before I leave for the Bahamas on Thursday. Be back on Tuesday. Not sure how well my aircard will work-might be completely incommunicado.
I want to apologize about ducduc-he's a friend of mine, I cajoled and wheedled him to play. Obviously this isn't his cup of tea and he's gone into hiding like a little girl. I asked him once about more participation, but I'm not his mom.
I have a very strong suspicion he's town, but dunno for sure. Wouldn't blame town for lynching him.
As I'm reading a couple of things scream out at me. One is Zuma's participation-the other game I played with him, he was voluble, to put it mildly. This game he's barely on at all.
NAF-you are sliding along, skirting and making contradictory statements.
peeker-you finally confirmed my idea that you were a CPA. After reading your posts, I have never seen a more blatant dissonance between your stream of consciousness postings, and how I perceive and know most acct's personalities. Rock on. Although I have a strong suspicion you are scum.
Shaggy seems a little scummy, but it's because his posting as a whole feels a little contrived-in character as it were. Not sure about him in this game.
If I don't fall asleep in the tub, I'll write some more musings as they come. Hopefully I won't electrocute myself.
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Post by special on Apr 27, 2010 21:10:39 GMT -5
Home after a 15 hour day. Trying to get a whole shitload of work done before I leave for the Bahamas on Thursday. Be back on Tuesday. Not sure how well my aircard will work-might be completely incommunicado. I want to apologize about ducduc-he's a friend of mine, I cajoled and wheedled him to play. Obviously this isn't his cup of tea and he's gone into hiding like a little girl. I asked him once about more participation, but I'm not his mom. I have a very strong suspicion he's town, but dunno for sure. Wouldn't blame town for lynching him. As I'm reading a couple of things scream out at me. One is Zuma's participation-the other game I played with him, he was voluble, to put it mildly. This game he's barely on at all. NAF-you are sliding along, skirting and making contradictory statements. peeker-you finally confirmed my idea that you were a CPA. After reading your posts, I have never seen a more blatant dissonance between your stream of consciousness postings, and how I perceive and know most acct's personalities. Rock on. Although I have a strong suspicion you are scum. Shaggy seems a little scummy, but it's because his posting as a whole feels a little contrived-in character as it were. Not sure about him in this game. If I don't fall asleep in the tub, I'll write some more musings as they come. Hopefully I won't electrocute myself. so, you go from me too voting NAF's case against shaggy to this general mish-mash of drivel with no content whatsoever? Or let me summarize your comments. 1. Zuma is posting less than he did in some other game 2. NAF is playing. 3. Peeker is an accountant. 4. Shaggy is Scummy for still unspecified reasons. 5. You're tired and taking a bubble bath. That's good enough for me vote fisheroo[/color]
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Post by peekercpa on Apr 27, 2010 22:22:50 GMT -5
ok, i have died and gone to nyquil heaven (hell).
NAF thinks shaggy is scum because he did the opposite of what scum would do.
shaggy thinks NAF is full of it because of off board nonsense.
fishy is defending duc because he's his bud and that makes him town and the fact that he is not playing is kind of like, whoosh.
zuma pops up with something non contributory and then - poof, vanishes.
zuma is scum because of his "joke" vote.
and freaking ed is against bubble baths.
i think NAF is full of shit but am going to vote a lurker just on general principles.
crap if ducky would show up and vote story i'd be in freaking fracking heaven.
and btw, where the fuck has luv wandered off to.
get it, wandered. not all who wander are lost. shit, it was a joke.
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Post by peekercpa on Apr 27, 2010 22:31:18 GMT -5
Home after a 15 hour day. Trying to get a whole shitload of work done before I leave for the Bahamas on Thursday. Be back on Tuesday. Not sure how well my aircard will work-might be completely incommunicado. I want to apologize about ducduc-he's a friend of mine, I cajoled and wheedled him to play. Obviously this isn't his cup of tea and he's gone into hiding like a little girl. I asked him once about more participation, but I'm not his mom. I have a very strong suspicion he's town, but dunno for sure. Wouldn't blame town for lynching him. As I'm reading a couple of things scream out at me. One is Zuma's participation-the other game I played with him, he was voluble, to put it mildly. This game he's barely on at all. NAF-you are sliding along, skirting and making contradictory statements. peeker-you finally confirmed my idea that you were a CPA. After reading your posts, I have never seen a more blatant dissonance between your stream of consciousness postings, and how I perceive and know most acct's personalities. Rock on. Although I have a strong suspicion you are scum. Shaggy seems a little scummy, but it's because his posting as a whole feels a little contrived-in character as it were. Not sure about him in this game. If I don't fall asleep in the tub, I'll write some more musings as they come. Hopefully I won't electrocute myself. so, you go from me too voting NAF's case against shaggy to this general mish-mash of drivel with no content whatsoever? Or let me summarize your comments. 1. Zuma is posting less than he did in some other game 2. NAF is playing. 3. Peeker is an accountant. 4. Shaggy is Scummy for still unspecified reasons. 5. You're tired and taking a bubble bath. That's good enough for me
and i have to add right before beddy time. i've never seen anyone get stretched because of their bathing habits, but what da fuck it makes about as much sense as anything else so far.
i seriously enjoy this nonsense. you folks are fracking priceless. vote fisheroo[/color][/quote]
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Post by luvbwfc on Apr 28, 2010 1:43:08 GMT -5
I am here and reading but I am struggling to find a good case to push. Am considering a NAF vote. I was voting Pleo because of the lack of a hard claim, which I would have expected at some point from a real town power role. I.e. I did NOT think Pleo was the Doc.
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Post by zuma on Apr 28, 2010 2:54:51 GMT -5
UNVOTE NAF[/b][/color]
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Post by zuma on Apr 28, 2010 2:55:55 GMT -5
unvote: NAF[/color]
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Post by zuma on Apr 28, 2010 3:13:42 GMT -5
Correct me here but would he not be able to confirm himself if he decided one night not self protected and therefore lets say he stopped a kill? I mean we know that there is no RB or anything in here since our mod said town or scum the only roles possibly in the game were the ones listed at the start. If that confirmed him, all he would have to have done (had he been scum) is no-kill at night, and claim he protected. Of course it would have been better for everyone had he just claimed like a normal player would have done.
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Post by zuma on Apr 28, 2010 3:32:00 GMT -5
I want to apologize about ducduc-he's a friend of mine, I cajoled and wheedled him to play. Obviously this isn't his cup of tea and he's gone into hiding like a little girl. I asked him once about more participation, but I'm not his mom. I have a very strong suspicion he's town, but dunno for sure. Wouldn't blame town for lynching him. How can you have a very strong suspicion one way or another (even if you do know him in RL) if he hasn't been here? The problem is that we know basically nothing about him right now.
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Post by fisheroo on Apr 28, 2010 5:52:22 GMT -5
Cool. Take me out. Remember how I can only play in the winter because I am too busy? I thought I could squeeze this game in, and I thought it'd be cool if ducduc would play, too. Neither of these things happened the way I anticipated.
I am VT. And the reason I think ducduc is town is I can read him pretty well, even in type. I think he would have played more if he was scum.
Interestingly enough, there seems to be a lot of blatant illogical thinking when you guys are voting and pointing fingers. And everyone seems to be ok with that.
Town is probably going to lose this one. Scum is hiding in plain sight.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Apr 28, 2010 6:02:11 GMT -5
Can you be more specific as to the illogical thinking that you see going on?
Having a hunch that your friend isn't scum because of how well you know him may be logical to you as an individual, but it doesn't help the rest of us and is something that could just as easily be said by a scum fisheroo about a scum ducduc as a Townie fisheroo about a Townie ducduc. And then you could just be flat wrong too.
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Post by fisheroo on Apr 28, 2010 6:37:20 GMT -5
Pleo's ploys still leave a bad taste in my mouth. Idiot.
Pleo gets lynched even though pretty much everyone has a very strong suspicion he's town and a power role at that.
Point taken about ducduc, cookies.
I just have a strong suspicion that I am next on the block, with him to follow. How many mislynches do we have left? I'm not sure we have any extra to lynch the lurker.
This game to me isn't always about logic, it's about a feel, about being able to read someone. Usually I am pretty good, but some of the logic is so bizarre in this particular game, it is throwing me off.
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