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Post by The Authors on Jun 17, 2010 19:29:13 GMT -5
Vote Count
Total (5): BillMc 4, moodymitchy 32, blockey 68, SisC 72, Pleo 102 storyteller (0): Pleonast 22 blockey (9): Drain 44, Total 57, story 79, nphase 84, Cookies 98, moley 100, sinjin 101, guiri 117, Zeriel 121 fisheroo (1): sinjin 46, peeker 47 SisC (0): moley 58 Not Voting (3): fisheroo
Assail 3 days since the beginning of the Convergence
The fourth day of the convergence was a quiet one by the previous days' standards. No more players were accused of being a member of the House of Chains. Indeed, the Ascendants, through unspoken agreement, seemed to have decided that perhaps the House of Chains was not great threat that they'd originally envisioned.
Instead, the lynch mob's ire was focused on misterblockey. A group of Ascendants were enraged that he had spurned them the day before, and unfortunately for blockey, they had the votes to make him pay for that transgression.
storyteller took the lead as blockey was frogmarched to the House of the Azath. When the day's victim was at the threshold, story turned to him with a bewildered expression. "Can't you count? You had to have realized that this was the only possible outcome of the path you chose." blockey opened his mouth to explain, but story forestalled him with an out turned palm. "I'm really not interested in explanations. Just this," he snarled as he made a sweeping gesture towards the Azath with his hand.
blockey was flung straight into the maw of the Azath, and once more a score a vines burst through the earth, seeking yet another victim. blockey landed into a roll and used his momentum to spring back onto his feet. No weapons appeared in his hands -- having seen what trying to fight off the Azath would gain you, he apparently had decided that the best course of action was simply to outrun the creepers and get out of the reach of the House as quickly as possible.
This approach fared no better. As blockey sprinted for safety, the ground directly in front of him opened. Out of the hole sprang Kallor, who wrapped blockey up in a sharp tackle and drove him to the ground. blockey's hands went for the knives he carried at his belt, but before he could draw a weapon both arms were pinned by the vines.
storyteller walked away with a satisfied smirk on his face as blockey slowly sank through the earth.
misterblockey AKA Apsal'ara, Mistress of Thieves(Redirector), has been killed dead.
He was a member of Clan Old Skool, Clandango, the Gold Moranth, Clan Pink Terminators and Clan Clan Clan Clan.
He had no Primary Clan.
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Post by peekercpa on Jun 17, 2010 19:37:44 GMT -5
mod question: maha was identified as a Day killer. is there anything to be read into the fact that blockey's power is not specified as to Night or Day?.
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Post by peekercpa on Jun 17, 2010 19:38:38 GMT -5
crappy coding as usual.
traveling home tomorrow, so see you folks on saturday.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jun 17, 2010 19:56:36 GMT -5
Apsal'ara chose her target during the Day. At night, she would redirect her target to another target of her choice. For the next cycle (i.e. Night/Day) should the target she was redirecting use a redirectable power, that power would instead take affect on the second target.
So she could redirect both Day and Night powers.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 17, 2010 20:08:25 GMT -5
...and that sounds like an explanation for Mahaloth, anyway.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jun 17, 2010 21:14:42 GMT -5
Night actions are due by Saturday 8:00 PM EST.
Night 4 ends Sunday 8:00 PM EST.
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Post by BillMc on Jun 18, 2010 1:13:40 GMT -5
...and that sounds like an explanation for Mahaloth, anyway. No it doesn't. Apsal'ara chose her target during the Day. At night, she would redirect her target to another target of her choice.. Blockey stole a power during the Day and used it at Night. Even if you flip it around for arguments sake, steal at Night and use during the Day; he would have had to have stolen Normal's power Night 2 -- and given all the redirections from you that happened Night 2, she clearly didn't have her power stolen Night 2.
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Post by guiri on Jun 18, 2010 1:52:42 GMT -5
Apsal'ara chose her target during the Day. At night, she would redirect her target to another target of her choice. For the next cycle (i.e. Night/Day) should the target she was redirecting use a redirectable power, that power would instead take affect on the second target. So she could redirect both Day and Night powers. So, let's say he chose Mahaloth on Day2, redirected to Mahaloth on Night2, when Mahaloth used his power next - on Day3, he would actually be redirected onto himself, right? That would explain how he managed to kill himself.
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Post by BillMc on Jun 18, 2010 2:33:44 GMT -5
Apsal'ara chose her target during the Day. At night, she would redirect her target to another target of her choice. For the next cycle (i.e. Night/Day) should the target she was redirecting use a redirectable power, that power would instead take affect on the second target. So she could redirect both Day and Night powers. So, let's say he chose Mahaloth on Day2, redirected to Mahaloth on Night2, when Mahaloth used his power next - on Day3, he would actually be redirected onto himself, right? That would explain how he managed to kill himself. But on Day 2, Mahaloth killed Oredigger -- to he couldn't have had his power stolen on Day 2. By elimination, the only folk who could have interfered with Mahaloth's kill were Peeker and the MotDD.
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Post by guiri on Jun 18, 2010 2:59:46 GMT -5
I think we have different interpretations of the information provided. It's not very important now but my understanding is that the redirection does not take effect until the following Day/Night cycle. For example: 1. "Apsal'ara chose her target during the Day." On Day 2 he selected Mahaloth 2. "At night, she would redirect her target to another target of her choice." On Night 2 he selected Mahaloth 3. "For the next cycle (i.e. Night/Day) should the target she was redirecting use a redirectable power, that power would instead take affect on the second target." Mahaloth's power was redirectable and so on Day 3 he was redirected onto himself
It's plausible but does not explain the missing sword... Blockey does not seem to have had it...
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Post by BillMc on Jun 18, 2010 3:54:42 GMT -5
I think we have different interpretations of the information provided. It's not very important now but my understanding is that the redirection does not take effect until the following Day/Night cycle. For example: 1. " Apsal'ara chose her target during the Day." On Day 2 he selected Mahaloth2. " At night, she would redirect her target to another target of her choice." On Night 2 he selected Mahaloth3. " For the next cycle (i.e. Night/Day) should the target she was redirecting use a redirectable power, that power would instead take affect on the second target." Mahaloth's power was redirectable and so on Day 3 he was redirected onto himself It's plausible but does not explain the missing sword... Blockey does not seem to have had it... Yes, you may be right. Looking at it that way, Blockey could have potentially used his power that way. However, Day 2 Blockey stole the night killers power, and used it to redirect the N2 NK at Story, which in turn was redirected by Normal to Timmy. Why Blockey thought he killed Ed is an unknown.
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Post by guiri on Jun 18, 2010 3:58:31 GMT -5
I think he would have had to select the Night Killer (mystery person) on Day 1, select the target - (Story) on Night 1 and then wait till the following Day/Night cycle, i.e. Day/Night 2, in order for the kill to be redirected...
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Post by BillMc on Jun 18, 2010 4:23:14 GMT -5
I think he would have had to select the Night Killer (mystery person) on Day 1, select the target - (Story) on Night 1 and then wait till the following Day/Night cycle, i.e. Day/Night 2, in order for the kill to be redirected... Blockey subbed in for Hal, so unlikely Hal did both things Day 1 And Blockey informed a few folk in advance that he was going to steal the NK power to prove his power.
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Post by moodymitchy on Jun 18, 2010 9:57:18 GMT -5
Well looking at the clan list again it appears that BLOCKEY was a member of just under 25% of the clans available...
Well that'll explain the mistrust people had with him. That appears to be a hell of a lot of plates to keep spinning.
My tuppence worth on whether he's the explaination for MALAHOTH .. I think it unlikely because as has been stated. He subbed in Day 2 and I doubt that any actions had been taken by his predecessor....So now't would have happened Day 2.
Over the course of Night 2 I think no ones action ended up where they thought it was going to go .. but went the scenic route and ended up on TIMMY. Quite why BLOCKEY was going round telling anyone who would listen , that they were going to target SPECIAL ED is beyond me. maybe he is just a boastful player. But that accounts for Day 2
Day 3 I don't know whose power he might have stolen but as I understand it... he had to inform the mods overNight that he would like to redirect. I don't get the impression that he could use it the same Day and it appears that DRAINBEAD helped cause grounghog Day for Day four ... so unless BLOCKEY stole MALAHOTH's power Day 2 (doubtful because of the daykill on Day2) I don't see how they could have done it .
It still to me remains a mystery but I'm interested to see what others might think.
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Post by Pleonast on Jun 18, 2010 10:00:42 GMT -5
Can we now stop lynching players based on grudges and actually lynch those we must eliminate: HoC members and the MotDoD?
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Post by moodymitchy on Jun 18, 2010 10:07:37 GMT -5
Can we now stop lynching players based on grudges and actually lynch those we must eliminate: HoC members and the MotDoD? Although I totally agree with this sentiment.... I feel that BLOCKEY had led so many people up the garden path that even when we'd got rid of all HOC and the MODD ... he wasn't someone who I'd want to trust just before the fat lady started singing.
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Post by Pleonast on Jun 18, 2010 10:10:05 GMT -5
Can we now stop lynching players based on grudges and actually lynch those we must eliminate: HoC members and the MotDoD? Although I totally agree with this sentiment.... I feel that BLOCKEY had led so many people up the garden path that even when we'd got rid of all HOC and the MODD ... he wasn't someone who I'd want to trust just before the fat lady started singing. No doubt, but by lynching him, we've given the HoC and MotDoD another Day & Night to operate.
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Post by BillMc on Jun 18, 2010 11:06:47 GMT -5
No doubt, but by lynching him, we've given the HoC and MotDoD another Day & Night to operate. Exactly.
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Post by guiri on Jun 18, 2010 11:46:20 GMT -5
No doubt, but by lynching him, we've given the HoC and MotDoD another Day & Night to operate. Exactly. I disagree. However he managed it, Blockey killed either Ed, Zuma or Timmy on Night 2 and it's possible he killed Mahaloth on Day 3. For all we know he was going to continue stealing killing powers and continue killing for as long as he could get away with it. He was not clanned with me so I had reason to fear him as he was likely to kill anyone he wasn't aligned with. Assuming the MotDoD has to kill everyone, the odds of Blockey killing me were slightly higher. I don't need to fear the HoC - they cannot kill me but instead can help to find the MotDoD.
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Post by Renata on Jun 18, 2010 11:46:49 GMT -5
Sometimes I feel like Pleo (and to a lesser extent Bill) are playing a different game from the rest of us. That concerns me.
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Post by BillMc on Jun 18, 2010 12:07:41 GMT -5
I disagree. However he managed it, Blockey killed either Ed, Zuma or Timmy on Night 2 and it's possible he killed Mahaloth on Day 3. For all we know he was going to continue stealing killing powers and continue killing for as long as he could get away with it. Story killed Zuma Total killed Ed The NightKiller ultimately killed Timmy - via Blockey and Normal's redirection. But Timmy died coz Normal redirected Story to Timmy.
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Post by BillMc on Jun 18, 2010 12:08:20 GMT -5
Sometimes I feel like Pleo (and to a lesser extent Bill) are playing a different game from the rest of us. That concerns me. A fine one to talk.
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Post by Pleonast on Jun 18, 2010 12:08:26 GMT -5
Sometimes I feel like Pleo (and to a lesser extent Bill) are playing a different game from the rest of us. That concerns me. Apparently we are playing a different game. I'm trying to fulfill my win conditions by eliminating members of the HoC and the MotDoD. There's seemingly a large contingent of players who don't want to eliminate them. That concerns me.
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Post by moodymitchy on Jun 18, 2010 13:15:54 GMT -5
Having a look at the final vote count.... in brackets for the "not voting" contingent it says 3 but then only names one... anyone got any theories on this? And while I'm there ... FISHEROO .... during Day 4 SINJIN makes a comment about a supposedly "magic bag" that you might have and places a vote... You come on and deny said magic bag and say that you weren't too sure about whether your powers were not up to much and the jury was still out... www.idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=ada&thread=1379&post=64541After a couple more posts between you and SINJIN the vote is retracted.... I'm curious as to how the jury feels now and why the NO vote??? Even ina game like this where "normal" things don't seem to apply... the one standard thing we still ALL have is the power to vote. Why did you choose not to?
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Post by BillMc on Jun 18, 2010 13:54:11 GMT -5
Having a look at the final vote count.... in brackets for the "not voting" contingent it says 3 but then only names one... anyone got any theories on this? And while I'm there ... FISHEROO .... during Day 4 SINJIN makes a comment about a supposedly "magic bag" that you might have and places a vote... You come on and deny said magic bag and say that you weren't too sure about whether your powers were not up to much and the jury was still out... www.idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=ada&thread=1379&post=64541After a couple more posts between you and SINJIN the vote is retracted.... I'm curious as to how the jury feels now and why the NO vote??? Even ina game like this where "normal" things don't seem to apply... the one standard thing we still ALL have is the power to vote. Why did you choose not to? The extra uncast votes are interesting. It would appear someone invoked a power for extra votes, but did not cast them. Option 1 - the votes were fisheroos. unlikely, the vote count was correct as of post#56 (Jun 16, 2010, 3:37pm UK time), and Fisheroo's last login was (Jun 16, 2010, 11:39am UK) so she wasnt have been online after #56 to invoke the action Option 2 - the votes belonged to someone not voting blockey - unlikely as they would have been used Option 3- they belong to someone voting Blockey - unlikely, most of the votes were placed late, and unlikely someone voting forgot they had extra votes Option 4 - the votes belong to someone who didn't reappear after or around #56. Possibly Total? Anyone want to claim the extra unused votes?
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Post by Renata on Jun 18, 2010 14:17:15 GMT -5
Sometimes I feel like Pleo (and to a lesser extent Bill) are playing a different game from the rest of us. That concerns me. Apparently we are playing a different game. I'm trying to fulfill my win conditions by eliminating members of the HoC and the MotDoD. There's seemingly a large contingent of players who don't want to eliminate them. That concerns me. But I do, that's what I'm saying. I'm puzzled by your behavior and don't know whether you honestly don't get it, or whether you're saying the things you are because of some other agenda. I want to win the game, if I can. That means the following: -- remove the MoDD -- remove all but one of the HoC if I can ally with the last; or all of them, otherwise -- remove the people who will not cooperate me or who are explicitly against me I've done a superlative job at the second point. The deaths of Red Skeezix, Captain Pinkies and Zuma were all facilitated by me. The first remains a work in progress, but if you think it is not a concern of mine it can only be because you're not privy to my private discussions. I'm not doing too shabby at the third, either. My own survival continues to hang by a thread, but hey, that's the game. Yet you -- you've not betrayed the slightest interest in trying to win over those who might assist you in a clan victory; and your concern with the MoDD is seemingly subordinated to your concern with Storyteller, who is, according to all sources save himself and myself (who are both too stubborn to confirm it publicly) the last HoC. That would make him no threat to your win condition except insofar as he is not cooperating with you, yet that's not what you're focusing on in your own accusations. His presumptive status as HoC is at this point completely irrelevant to the issue of whether he should be killed or lynched; in fact if anything, it works in his favor, since should we manage to nail to the MoDD, the last HoC goes poof as well. That's not something you can say about any of the other players who are not on your side. Which of us is playing the game as designed?
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Post by Pleonast on Jun 18, 2010 15:54:03 GMT -5
nphase, we are apparently working with different sets of facts, then. The information I have is 1) storyteller is very likely a member HoC. 2) The initial number of the HoC may have been 4. 3) The last HoC will be eliminated with the MotDoD. 4) Total Lost may be MotDoD.
Given that the logical lynch target is story, with Total a possible second target. And yet we had 9 players (including you) vote for MrB, who know one had accused of being either HoC or MotDoD. Those votes are indefensible with the facts I have. So I must conclude that either those players have different win conditions than me or have facts I do not.
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Post by Zeriel on Jun 18, 2010 18:38:22 GMT -5
nphase, we are apparently working with different sets of facts, then. The information I have is 1) storyteller is very likely a member HoC. 2) The initial number of the HoC may have been 4. 3) The last HoC will be eliminated with the MotDoD. 4) Total Lost may be MotDoD. Given that the logical lynch target is story, with Total a possible second target. And yet we had 9 players (including you) vote for MrB, who know one had accused of being either HoC or MotDoD. Those votes are indefensible with the facts I have. So I must conclude that either those players have different win conditions than me or have facts I do not. It's simple: 1) If we eliminate the MoDD then we get story out of the picture as well. 2) story is currently acting in concert with many people, a good many people believe him to be tame. 3) MrBlockey was playing a lot of ends against the middle, and was a threat to my win condition as well--since ultimately, my win depends on me being in a stable clan that has members I can trust. I could no longer trust Blockey, and that was a bigger threat to me than any HoC at this stage of the game. I imagine a lot of folks felt that way too.
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Post by peekercpa on Jun 18, 2010 20:33:47 GMT -5
Sometimes I feel like Pleo (and to a lesser extent Bill) are playing a different game from the rest of us. That concerns me. Apparently we are playing a different game. I'm trying to fulfill my win conditions by eliminating members of the HoC and the MotDoD. There's seemingly a large contingent of players who don't want to eliminate them. That concerns me. and i don't want to go round and round with you much like i did with bill but i have another win condition. i must be clanned with a winning clan. blockey was someone that i was not clanned with, that did not appear to want to clan with me and apparantly had pushed hard for my NK while maha was still alive. so while i understand the whole hoc and dragon deck master dude thing needs to be resolved having blockey go bye bye doesn't hurt my feelings a whole ton.
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Post by Drain Bead on Jun 18, 2010 20:42:15 GMT -5
Because of blockey's lack of trustworthiness and stated ability (which I didn't entirely trust--I thought it was entirely possible he was a straight-up killer), I thought it was likely that he was the MoDD. I wasn't sure about Bill and thought he was acting on a hunch, which was no different than I was doing, except I can't be as sure of his motivations as I am my own. So I voted based on my own hunch rather than his.
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