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Post by Renata on Jul 26, 2010 15:47:54 GMT -5
Ugh, put my damn foot in it. Damn you Pleo for putting that tidbit four paragraphs away from the rest.* What with the risk of OMGUS from Ed as well, it could be me needing the safe claim more than Idle, woe.
I should probably do freemason if it comes to that -- idle's claim makes more sense for a scotsman, and unless I got killed immediately we would get some handshake info.
* Not really.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 26, 2010 15:49:51 GMT -5
Well, one thing I'm thinking (but fail to mention in my posts--mostly because it's contradicting another point I'm making in my posts) is that wolves would actually NOT want to vote for me..because they're probably thinking the sooner I die, the sooner it would be found that my list is real.
Of course, we know that won't be the case...because I'll come up Cabal and people will be quick to discredit the list anyway...but they don't know that right now, so I think the wolves are finding it in their best interest NOT to get me killed, afraid that the sooner I am, the sooner the list is "verified".
But I'm going to push hard today to get lynched...all of going against everyone else if I have to.
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Post by Renata on Jul 26, 2010 15:50:38 GMT -5
Not sure if I should be wishing you luck or not. But either way, stan and I should probably not be seen to be assisting you in your quest, lest some clever non-Cabal suspect that you have something up your sleeve akin to what is actually there.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 26, 2010 16:03:46 GMT -5
The way I see it, if I'm lynched and seen to be that, then maybe I have a shot to making it to the end being "verified"..but even if not, if I'm ever killed, people galore will be rushing to say the list is no good, so you and stan will be in the clear again. And this is to FCoD for when he eventually sees this post. ;D Sorry, my good friend...don't mean to rile you up but I have to, purposefully, in hopes that you'll vote for me. So yeah, just playing with ya right now.
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Post by Renata on Jul 26, 2010 16:16:52 GMT -5
OMG Moley. I think I'm in love.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 26, 2010 19:47:13 GMT -5
Arrggghhhh, this is backfiring, horribly! People aren't supposed to actually be going along with me, they're supposed to resist and hate it and vote for me for acting this way!
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 26, 2010 19:52:42 GMT -5
My backup plan is this, thus far: If non lynched (and it doesn't look like it'll be that way now), I guess I'll hope for being attacked at Night. I'm going to activate the disguise (as Scotsman) at the very start of Night...believe me, I'm not going to take the chance of being investigated now and coming up Cabalist, so I have no choice. I'll do that, hope I'm attacked and that, in the morning, I'll have the name of an attacker.
If I'm NOT attacked (or if I'm protected) this Night, I, for sure, have to be lynched on Day 2 otherwise the plan was all for nothing.
I'm screwed if either: I'm not attacked at Night and not lynched Day 2 or I'm attacked at Night but people don't believe me over whoever attacked me on Day 2 and lynch me instead.
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Post by Renata on Jul 26, 2010 20:07:17 GMT -5
You might not be investigated, of course. So many people in the game, no way to know who the witches and Seer are.
I almost wish you had decided to go for freemason, despite the complication. Such a false claim is best used early, else you risk someone having tried for a handshake and failed already.
Ah well.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 26, 2010 20:41:19 GMT -5
Nah, If anyone is investigated I'd think I'd be the best bet...but you're right. I could be w--... wrrr..... *deep breath* I COULD very well be w-w-rong.... All joking aside, I'm just hoping I'm the one investigated. Since I'm really the only person who has come forth with any confirming info, I know I'd investigate me if I were the witches or seer. ;D
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Post by Renata on Jul 27, 2010 7:35:16 GMT -5
Holy beans. Two witch claims. (Nanook for Eureka, if you missed it.) Poor guys. I was pretty sure Eureka was town, but wasn't expecting this.
This changes one thing -- we can't afford you to be lynched, Idle, because you will *not* be protected tonight. The witches will protect one of their own. Claim scotsman if and when you need to, but don't encourage your own lynch.
Storyteller's not liking the votes on you --- that's good, he's influential. A bit nervous about what else he might come up with; I think he understands me pretty well.
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Post by stanislaus on Jul 27, 2010 8:39:11 GMT -5
OK, a freemason claim from Bufftabby.
We have the opportunity now to Disguise one of us as a freemason and handshake with her. Unfortunately, this would lead to a direct contradiction of Idle's list - there would be 4 apparent masons, not 3. Idle would have to explain why he got the numbers wrong, which means that we would probably be exchanging strong town confirmation for a team death.
That might not be a bad deal (especially as I suspect that Idle will be dead soon anyhow) but by being marked as a freemason we would also become a safe, if lower priority, target for NightKills.
So if this had happened later in the game, it would have been a good move, but right now I doubt that we could get away with it. Especially as there's unlikely to be protection on offer.
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Post by Renata on Jul 27, 2010 8:48:44 GMT -5
She could be lying. I do have a strong scum read from her -- I would never push it like this on day one if I didn't. Under the circumstances if she is wolf/undead, freemason is the only possible claim that doesn't beg for immediate testing and/or a nightkill.
Beyond that -- omega wolf handshakes as a freemason IIRC but does not investigate as one (and can't initiate a handshake, right?). Does that change the math?
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Post by Renata on Jul 27, 2010 9:19:24 GMT -5
Thinking about it, Idle, you really have put the other scum in a bind.
Scotsman Seer Coroner
All subject to counterclaim. Only the Seer is really *worth* getting the counterclaim, and probably only the wolves have the numbers to make the mutual assured destruction worth it, especially with all the witches still alive.
Detective -- makes you a target of the wolves if you're not one, demands results. If you're actually Undead and the wolves fail to kill you, very high risk the first exposed wolf exposes you. No worse than Freemason for an Undead except that the easier "confirmability" of a Freemason might add a little impetus to a rush of unvotes.
Freemason -- if you're not the Omega Wolf, you get exposed for sure (with the benefit of another exposed townie), but you do pretty much guarantee yourself one more night alive, which would be high priority especially for an Undead (or perhaps for the holder of the wolf secret power).
I'm leaning toward Bufftabby as Undead or Omega Wolf (or wolf secret power holder), if she's not what she says she is. I don't think a real freemason would be so visibly and admittedly frustrated by the votes on her -- even as a potential fake freemason it had crossed my mind to claim today and get the information to use for later; shouldn't a real freemason see that silver lining and not be so pissed off?
As an aside, good lord is Skeez ever pinging the crap out of me. I misread him so often, though, I'm not sure whether to trust it.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 27, 2010 10:35:04 GMT -5
Cool, I just gave you both good reason to vote for me...so here's hoping you both get on sometime in the next four hours (when Day ends).
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 27, 2010 10:37:55 GMT -5
Gah..I didn't see or read the replies before this before doing what I did in the Day topic and I completely missed the two Witch claims! But I'm skimming..what do you expect from a scum? Well, I can't rightly take back volunteering for a lynch. I agree that toNight I'm probably dead, but once it's found out I'm Cabal, you both should be in the clear again.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 27, 2010 11:36:17 GMT -5
WTF?? Am I going mad or we were all under the impression that the DISGUISE SECRET POWER would be activated immediately on say so?
If not, then WHY DIDN'T ANY OF YOU TELL ME THE HUGE FLAW IN THE PLAN? NAMELY THAT IT WOULDN'T HAVE WORKED AT ALL SINCE ME ACTIVATING MY POWER ONLY MAKES IT START THE NEXT NIGHT???
I didn't KNOW this...it certainly didn't seem like it was described this way. Was anyone else aware of this???
IF that's the case, that's complete BS. All this time I was clearly talking about activating it so I could avoid the lynch TODAY, if need be....why didn't ANYONE TELL ME that that can't happen IF IT WAS KNOWN???
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Post by Renata on Jul 27, 2010 11:41:12 GMT -5
Wait, what's going on?
"You may also imitate any one Conspiracy role (whether or not it occurs in this setup) for one turn cycle. You may activate your secret power either Day or Night, and it will continue to the following Night or Day. While you imitate the role, you have all the non-secret powers of the role, but not information or forum access. If investigated, you will appear to be the role you are imitating. Each Cabalist may use this secret power once. "
This seems very clear -- you activate it, it goes into effect, and lasts to the next phase. Is Pleonast saying otherwise? I object, if so -- that is clearly not the implication of what he told us.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 27, 2010 11:47:37 GMT -5
No, it was I who was wrong. I misunderstood what he was saying. He said this: "The times are set in stone. (Although in principle a secret power could change that, but I strongly dislike that sort of game mechanic, so the changes are extremely small. ) Beware board outages. But really, there's no advantage to wait to the last second to PM me an instruction to use a power. The power won't take affect until Dusk/Dawn anyway. And you can always change your orders anytime before the end of Day/Night." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Which, to me, sounded like the secret power didn't take affect until the game time period AFTER when you activate it. (So if I were to use it in the Day, it wouldn't start until Night started). But he assured me that it starts at Dusk (which I guess is not the same as Night), so it would save me from a lynch if I activated it toDay/now/etc.
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Post by Renata on Jul 27, 2010 11:49:34 GMT -5
I've just sent a PM asking for clarification, but I am seriously NOT happy if you're implying he told you otherwise. That is not, by any stretch of the imagination, what our role PM actually says. "You may activate [it] Day or Night, and it will continue ..."
Continue implies it's already been in effect, that it was in effect from the time it was activated.
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Post by Renata on Jul 27, 2010 11:50:40 GMT -5
OK. Nuts, that is. But all right!
Anyone got a valium for me?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 27, 2010 11:57:10 GMT -5
Oh, me too...believe me....
But yeah, just simple confusion....heh.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 27, 2010 12:16:47 GMT -5
Arrggghhh, before the end of Day can one of you please, please vote for me? Otherwise, it's pretty much all for nothing.
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Post by Pleonast on Jul 27, 2010 12:21:47 GMT -5
As I told Idle in a PM, Dusk (when all Day powers are resolved) is a part of the Day. And Dawn (when all Night powers are resolved) is a part of the Night. I never even considered that someone would interpret it differently. It's not my fault you guys don't think exactly like me.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 27, 2010 12:32:56 GMT -5
So any votes or unvotes by various people in this huge melee setting off anyone's scumdars?
I'm surprised at Story and Sach....normally level-headed players who have now been doing the vote, unvote, vote, unvote thing on me, like they can't make up their minds.
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Post by Renata on Jul 27, 2010 13:29:32 GMT -5
The actual holder or holders of the town secret power will probably be skeptical of you even after your lynch fails -- that might come through. I'm getting a town read on sachertorte. Plus, he was sensible to unvote me on the PIS thing. Storyteller I'm not so sure about. We should spend some time during the night on going through all this, before we decide our roleblock. I note I had the Omega Wolf thing backwards (as, notably, did Red Skeezix somewhere or other), which makes me less confident about Bufftabby not being a freemason. She may be. We should also make note of who referred to her as confirmable. Unfortunately, if she is telling the truth, it makes a freemason claim for me or stan really problematic, no matter when it comes. Every freemason in the game who's awake (I guess Captain Pinkies is the only true no-show thus far?) will try to handshake with her tonight. If she's not challenged in the morning, we missed our chance. If she is, then it's someone else with the freemason claim and we face the same problem as if we use the disguise and do the handshake tonight instead of tomorrow: too many freemasons.
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Post by Renata on Jul 27, 2010 13:30:51 GMT -5
Oh, septimus and Ed both continue to ping, the former more than the latter. The former's almost off the charts -- he should really have been lynched today.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 27, 2010 13:43:57 GMT -5
I agree with the last two you mention. I think they're both shady, too. Sept is playing like someone who is scum but doesn't know how to play it well, so they're being wayyyy overly cautious. It's the same vibe I got on redskeeix in one of the last games (which turned out to be right).
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Post by Renata on Jul 27, 2010 13:44:31 GMT -5
As long as I'm rambling, about sachertorte -- although I am getting a generally town read on him, I'm still puzzled by his (and MHaye's, and Storyteller's, and I think Bill's IIRC) failure to follow up on your statement that your role knowledge is not a secret power. Every single one of them raised the issue and then dropped it, as if they're afraid to be wrong about you. If that's not mafia behavior, it's probably one of the "irreplaceable" townie roles (vicar, seer, coroner), or the third witch.
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Post by Renata on Jul 27, 2010 14:03:00 GMT -5
You're evil, Idle, pure evil. Why you do such things to your poor innocent teammates? I want to react with a ROFL like Storyteller is, but I'm afraid of giving myself away.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 27, 2010 14:03:59 GMT -5
I think my being revealed as Cabal (eventually) will really throw minds for a loop...nothing will sow confusion better. I mean, confirmed by the mod that I'm a Scotsman but later being told (by the mod) that I'm Cabal? People will be "WTF-ing" for the rest of the game. So I think you and Stan will be all good...with that much confusion anything would be possible in their minds afterwards.
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