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Post by Pleonast on Jul 30, 2010 14:18:08 GMT -5
Talk as you like.
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Post by Renata on Jul 30, 2010 15:16:13 GMT -5
Idle's still alive! (As are all the witches, boo. Only two kills, so it's possible they stopped one. Or, we may have, which would be funny in a shoot yourself sort of way. Or other possibilities, including a wolf hit on an Undead.)
Metallic Squink and Merestil Haye are dead. Hmmm!
Idle, if you don't run that confirmed town thing into the ground today I will have lost all faith in you. Make us proud!
I won't be around much until Monday, as usual.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 30, 2010 16:22:24 GMT -5
Yeah, there should have been three kills...so some kind of circumstance stopped the other..either someone was being protected, two people tried hitting the same person, or we blocked successfully (which means Special Ed may be something). I'm wary of overplaying my "confirmed Towness". I don't want to seem to overeager in saying "Well, guess I'm confirmed now! "...If it ever comes up, I'll address it, but until then, being too "HERE IT IS, DID YOU SEE THAT?"-rubbing it in their faces seems like the wrong thing to do and might actually gain more suspicion.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 30, 2010 17:52:41 GMT -5
Wellllllllllll, Special Ed is a wolf. Looks like we made a good choice. We could probably try to weasel the info of if he was blocked or anything out of him in some fashion...Looks like Kat's already trying to do that.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 30, 2010 18:06:54 GMT -5
Oh, and according to Ed (who we know might not be telling the truth), Sach is a Vampire and Captain Pinkies is the Vicar.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 30, 2010 18:23:43 GMT -5
Update: Seems that Ed is implying they (the wolves) weren't either of the kills. He seems to be saying that Sach, a vamp, killed one and that the other vamp killed the other. He seems to imply that MHaye was a wolf as well, who was killed by one of the vamps. If telling the truth, this would mean the wolves didn't kill last Night...which COULD mean our block worked.
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Post by Renata on Jul 30, 2010 18:57:14 GMT -5
Going to be a fun, fun day, eh? (And you know what I mean about the confirmed Town thing. Just be out there pushing our interests in the most innocent of ways. )
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 30, 2010 19:32:09 GMT -5
I just hope that now that people are believing in the list that they don't press for a mass claim.
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Post by Renata on Jul 30, 2010 20:27:11 GMT -5
Update: Seems that Ed is implying they (the wolves) weren't either of the kills. He seems to be saying that Sach, a vamp, killed one and that the other vamp killed the other. He seems to imply that MHaye was a wolf as well, who was killed by one of the vamps. If telling the truth, this would mean the wolves didn't kill last Night...which COULD mean our block worked. Which would be hilarious only if they didn't target an unprotected Witch
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 30, 2010 21:07:27 GMT -5
The Cabal don't care about you, Nphase!
(Quoth Ed)
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Post by Renata on Jul 31, 2010 6:16:23 GMT -5
Hee.
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Post by stanislaus on Jul 31, 2010 8:42:43 GMT -5
I think that remark was aimed at Cap. Pinkies.
But hey, we're doing well! There's three of us, with two powers. Idle is pretty much taken on trust at this point. We know two Witches.
On the downside, we still have to kill two Witches. It doesn't look like the other killers are particularly gunning for them. So we'll need to decide when we're going to do that. We can guarantee killing ONE by nphase and I both taking on killing roles and targeting each of them. But that would leave us relying on another team to take the last one out.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 31, 2010 16:33:07 GMT -5
I have news for ya, Inner Stickler...you're right. So good on you. That being said, I have to be honest here...I actually do think the secret power we have (being able to imitate any role) is a very powerful, almost bastard mod type of power. Seems to me it's got a strong potential to have you be accused of being a bastard mod just for giving us that power, Pleonast. Not that I'm complaining.
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Post by Renata on Jul 31, 2010 19:21:37 GMT -5
I find it greatly amusing.
Couple random thoughts:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but somewhere in all that WIFOM Ed did speculate that the Cabal might not be killable at night, right? Wonder if that's based on actual information and not just speculation? It's probably true there was no wolf kill -- it fits his behavior post-dawn. So why not? Possibly they went after the witches and just don't want to let on. But it's also possible that Ed took a shot at someone and failed. Because here's that math on that: for Ed to be blocked out of all non-Cabal (from his perspective)/non-claimed roles would be odds of 1 in 14. Even if you figure Cabal will eliminate a few based on various reads, that's still long odds.
Compare it to the likelihood that the wolf attacker would hit Cabal, which is about 1 in 4 after eliminating the wolves themselves, Sachertorte and the claimed roles he says he doesn't want to attack. Much more likely. So just keep your eyes open for anything that says Ed might suspect someone is Cabal.
Second thing -- what I think would be a great tactic for us should either stanislaus or I wind up lynch-bait, especially after Idle is dead (might take re-thinking if he's not) -- simply claim Cabal, and that you, Idle were also one (if the death reveal has not yet turned up). Imply that our power is to post as a Scotsman, so that we can't be lynched, etc; we have to be killed by the other mafia. Hopefully, actually get out of the lynch on that basis (though if we don't, use the power as Scotsman regardless). Then that night, use the Vampire power -- immune to wolf kill at a minimimum, can Vampires kill other Vampires? -- and take a shot at a Witch. Absolute best case, they *still* think we can't be lynched without getting out of it, and that the Undead/Wolves just fell down on the job, and there's a dead Witch.
About Witch kills, the odds get a little better once one of them is dead (since they have to choose whether to protect at all or just investigate), and it's trivial to kill the last one. But figuring out the best time to try -- blah.
Pleo, can we open a summary thread for what we know about other players, things like that?[/color]
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Post by Pleonast on Aug 1, 2010 10:03:19 GMT -5
I have news for ya, Inner Stickler...you're right. So good on you. That being said, I have to be honest here...I actually do think the secret power we have (being able to imitate any role) is a very powerful, almost bastard mod type of power. Seems to me it's got a strong potential to have you be accused of being a bastard mod just for giving us that power, Pleonast. Not that I'm complaining. Oh I expect complaints, but if players would actually read the rules, they'd find warnings: "Upon death, only a player's name will be revealed by the moderator. After one Day-Night or Night-Day cycle, the player's faction will be revealed. After another cycle, the player's role will be revealed. This information will always be completely correct; information gained via other sources may be affected by other players' powers." A Scotsman reveal is not guaranteed to be correct because it's a death reveal. "There may be limited forms of recruitment in this game; however, players will always have the option of choosing an alternative penalty (such as death) instead of recruitment." And no confirmed player is really confirmed when recruitment is a possibility.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Aug 1, 2010 17:24:35 GMT -5
I love how Ed is confirming there are seven wolves.
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Post by stanislaus on Aug 2, 2010 5:44:50 GMT -5
Seeing as how I voted for Ed, I wonder if it's possible that he tried to kill me. However, I still think it's quite likely that MHaye was the Wolf kill and he found a Vampire - obviously both theories can't be true.
Most likely reason for only two kills is someone went for a Witch.
What do we want to do toDay? We're not going to be able to provoke any claims, obviously. Is it just a Day for keeping our head's down and letting events progress naturally?
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Post by Renata on Aug 2, 2010 7:37:47 GMT -5
I'm going to make an effort at finding more wolves, I think -- see who responded to Special Ed and how (and who didn't) -- that sort of thing. I'm not sure if I'll post it, though.
BTW it's entirely possible that MHaye was not a wolf at all, that Ed is just trying to minimize their threat. (You know that; this is mostly to keep myself from getting too gullible.) It's also still possible that bufftabby is lying -- as Ed points out, her comments about Squink and him prove nothing. But that should sort itself out by tomorrow most likely, as there would in that case still be people out there capable of contradicting her. I don't like the coincidence of her having tried to handshake the known wolf -- now there's a way not to get contradicted -- but anyway, we'll see.
More pointless wild speculation -- wonder if Ed tried to kill bufftabby?
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Post by stanislaus on Aug 2, 2010 8:22:59 GMT -5
For Wolves, I'm thinking that when Ed said sach "ID'd" three of us, he gave away more than he knew. FCOD in particular seems to have been following Ed's lead in regard to Kat.
You should definitely post any anti-Wolf analysis. It furthers our WinCon if we can find them and get them lynched AND it's also pro-Town, so looks good. This is a particularly good Day to do it, because after toDay anyone who correctly IDs a Wolf will start to look like a Detective with secret info.
sach is actually right about what gets revealed. Town only need to know that Undead/Wolf/Cabal have been killed. We need to know what roles are dead and which are still in the game. However, I'm not going to agree with him on that in-thread.
I've realised that whenever we take on a killing role, it might as well be Vampire. We get the added possibility of a second kill/NK immunity. The risk of being investigated is relatively lessened by the fact that being investigated as Vig is going to look pretty suspicious at this point too.
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Post by Renata on Aug 2, 2010 20:04:34 GMT -5
Hmm, Ed is trying to make you a detective now (or Seer). He may well believe it, at that, due to your focus on the wolves in the post where you accused him. Hard to say whether the rest of them will, though, and they're the ones who matter.
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Post by stanislaus on Aug 3, 2010 2:59:36 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm not sure what to do about that. The orthodox play is to ignore it, but if the Wolves genuinely think I'm a Detective, they'll try to kill me. And if we strongly believe they're going to do that, I can turn Vamp and try to kill a Witch, with a possible bonus Wolf kill.
So should I subtly try to act all Detective-y? Obviously not make an out and out claim, but maybe act flustered by Ed's suggestion? A spirited denial, followed by a sudden shutting down of the discussion? Would that be enough to "confirm" me as a Detective?
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Post by Renata on Aug 3, 2010 6:07:06 GMT -5
Not sure, need coffee.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Aug 3, 2010 16:17:31 GMT -5
I'd say be bold and go for it, but that's just what I'd do. Granted I'm too impulsive and don't often think things all the way through at first.
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Post by Renata on Aug 3, 2010 20:02:32 GMT -5
Well we can talk about it tonight, but I don't think I'm against it, either.
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