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Day 1
Sept 16, 2010 20:18:48 GMT -5
Post by special on Sept 16, 2010 20:18:48 GMT -5
oh, and
Unvote: Rorschach
(for some reason I always want to say, "Ooooooh, oooooooh,,,Mistah Kottttah!")
Vote: Iskaral Pust/(Normal Phase)
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Day 1
Sept 16, 2010 20:32:41 GMT -5
Post by special on Sept 16, 2010 20:32:41 GMT -5
Everybody must be watching CBS right now.
Right?
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Day 1
Sept 16, 2010 20:34:40 GMT -5
Post by special on Sept 16, 2010 20:34:40 GMT -5
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Day 1
Sept 16, 2010 21:11:20 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Sept 16, 2010 21:11:20 GMT -5
Everybody must be watching CBS right now. Right? *flips on multiple TVs to watch while waiting to see if what's-his-face comes back to answer why he doesn't believe Eleanor* Ooh! This is my favorite show! *looks at next screen* Wait, no, this is my favorite show! *looks at next screen* Look! It's my favorite show! *hugs yet another screen* I love this show.
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Day 1
Sept 16, 2010 21:13:37 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Sept 16, 2010 21:13:37 GMT -5
This is a very bizarre game so far. It seems that attacking the early voters is the game of the day. It hurts me to say it but scum are usually not early voters, so the trend is good for scum, not so much for town.
Like Mr. Stay Puft I also would like to know if Marcel/Meeko has a mod imposed posting restriction. I don't know why he is not answering. Coyness is not helping town at this point. Answer the question Marcel/Meeko.
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Day 1
Sept 16, 2010 21:35:39 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Sept 16, 2010 21:35:39 GMT -5
Everybody must be watching CBS right now. Right? *flips on multiple TVs to watch while waiting to see if what's-his-face comes back to answer why he doesn't believe Eleanor* Ooh! This is my favorite show! *looks at next screen* Wait, no, this is my favorite show! *looks at next screen* Look! It's my favorite show! *hugs yet another screen* I love this show. <steals a remote> CBS? What's that? There's a pennant race going on! <Turns on the Giants-Dodgers game and grabs a beer> Beat LA! Beat LA! Beat LA!
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Day 1
Sept 16, 2010 21:46:41 GMT -5
Post by special on Sept 16, 2010 21:46:41 GMT -5
Everybody must be watching CBS right now. Right? *flips on multiple TVs to watch while waiting to see if what's-his-face comes back to answer why he doesn't believe Eleanor* Ooh! This is my favorite show! *looks at next screen* Wait, no, this is my favorite show! *looks at next screen* Look! It's my favorite show! *hugs yet another screen* I love this show. Of course all of your TVs were on CBS, right? Can you do me a favor? Can you ask Eleanor how she came to the conclusion that Scum are usually not early voters? I'd love to see some data on that. It seems like it was presented as something that's an obvious fact. I can compile some data. From our most recently completed 'normal' game )I've left out Conspiracy and Malazan. Here are the people who cast votes in order for each day. Colored Red for Scum and blue for Town Day 1 luvbwfc storytellerPleonastSpecial EdNAFfisherooCookiesTotal Lostshaggyfisheroo (2nd vote)Day 2 Special EdPleonastNAFluvbwfc CookiesfisheroostorytellerSpecial Ed (2nd vote)zumapeekerPleonast (2nd vote)NAF (2nd vote)storyteller (2nd vote)NAF (3rd vote)shaggyDay 3 NAFpeeker peeker (2nd vote) peeker (3rd vote) zumaCookiesSpecial edzuma (2nd vote)shaggyfisherooCookies (2nd vote)Day 4 peekerNAFluvbwfcNAF (2nd vote)peeker (2nd vote)Cookies luvbwfc (2nd vote)shaggyNAF (3rd vote)Cookies (2nd vote)NAF (4th vote)zumaluvbwfc (3rd vote) Cookies (3rd vote)Day 5 CookiesNAFluvbwfcpeeker zumaNAF (2nd vote)Maybe that wasn't the best game to crunch number on.
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Day 1
Sept 16, 2010 22:34:58 GMT -5
Post by Inner Stickler on Sept 16, 2010 22:34:58 GMT -5
I'm sorry that I haven't posted as much. I've been fighting a righteous sore throat for the past few days and mostly just want to sleep. BUT I'M TOUGHING IT OUT TONIGHT, because day ends soon.
At this point, I see no reason not to assume that Eleanor is the doctor. If we get a counterclaim then we can adjust appropriately. It's possible but not very probably that town has two doctors so I'm ignoring that potential error right now. (Slightly more likely is a backup doc who misinterprets and counterclaims the real doc. That would be embarrassing!) If there's a counterclaim, we lynch one and if we guess wrong, we lynch the other one. I see that as being a fairly good trade for now. And if time passes without a doc counterclaim, I will be more and more assured of Eleanor's towniness. (But never 100% I've been burned too many times to ever be sure.)
Scum as early voters? I don't know. I think that's very dependent on who comprises the scum team.
I too have a hard time believing that you would remove your vote from someone you believe is scum in order to vote for no one?
Vote: Iskaral Pust/(Normal Phase) / Vote:
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Day 1
Sept 16, 2010 22:35:40 GMT -5
Post by Inner Stickler on Sept 16, 2010 22:35:40 GMT -5
goddmotherfuckingdammit
Vote: iskaral pust yadda yadda yadda
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Day 1
Sept 16, 2010 23:33:03 GMT -5
Post by Dirx on Sept 16, 2010 23:33:03 GMT -5
Between the two vote leaders, I'm more inclined to think Stay Puft is town. This late in the Day, when he gained the lead (three votes to only one per other candidate), he made a case for and changed his vote to a player who had no previous votes yet. If I were scum, I'd be more inclined to add on to another player that already had a vote to their name, 'cause I know from experience that a Day 1 lynch, when you're scum, sucks balls. So it seems to me like it was more a townie move than anything else (but yes, I know, "scum would totally do that").
Because I have nothing to make a case against any other players, then for now I'll vote to break the current tie.
Vote: Iskaral Pust
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Day 1
Sept 16, 2010 23:50:51 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Sept 16, 2010 23:50:51 GMT -5
This is a very bizarre game so far. It seems that attacking the early voters is the game of the day. It hurts me to say it but scum are usually not early voters, so the trend is good for scum, not so much for town. Like Mr. Stay Puft I also would like to know if Marcel/Meeko has a mod imposed posting restriction. I don't know why he is not answering. Coyness is not helping town at this point. Answer the question Marcel/Meeko. :: Shoots Eye Daggers at Big Sister ::: How many more times do I need to answer this?My mod imposed post restriction is just like everyone else's.
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Day 1
Sept 16, 2010 23:56:53 GMT -5
Post by timmy on Sept 16, 2010 23:56:53 GMT -5
Things are happening fast. The encroaching Dusk has some of you worried that the Day will end not with a bang, but a whimper. A few points to bring up. I'm under no post restriction. I can speak as freely as I please. But while I wear this mask I will speak as Rorschach. If that is confusing, perhaps you should ask yourselves why. This Doctor claim worries me. We have forced them to claim, surely Scum will try to eliminate her toNight. She may have to self-protect, if she's allowed. Either way, she's of little use to Town until we have a specific person we wanted protected. Like a Cop, or Watcher. I'm having trouble locating Scum as well. The reflex action is to lynch the Lurker, the non-participant. I do not feel this is in Town's best interest. I'm slammed here at work today, so I haven't been able to do more than quickly skim the recent posts, and won't be able to until this evening...until them a few thoughts... Skimming is bad. Mustn't do it. If the question is not important, why ask? Fishing, perhaps? Dr Raj can't speak directly to women. Not his fault. I noticed some have taken to disguising themselves, trying to circumvent his restriction. Can't see how it would work, but worth a shot. Apparently his is the only restriction of that sort. Are you implying he's deliberately misleading us by invoking it? For the record, I have no idea whether or not Eleanor's claim is true. I'm not saying that we should all vote to lynch her, I'm just saying that Iskaral had no reason to unvote if he doesn't believe her claim, unless there was someone else who he felt was scummier. Since he hasn't cast another vote, I'm guessing that isn't the case. Whether her claim is true or not is a matter for later discussion. I am not one to lynch a claimed power, unless something happens to expose the claim as a lie. I don't believe Eleanor is a Doctor either, but I could be wrong. You, my friend, seem to be going out of your way to FOS a number of people. Without coming right out to say it. An underhanded tactic. vote Stay Puft
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Day 1
Sept 17, 2010 0:23:23 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Sept 17, 2010 0:23:23 GMT -5
How many more times do I need to answer this?My mod imposed post restriction is just like everyone else's. Actually, that's the first time you used the phrase "mod imposed", which directly answers the question. Until now, all you said was that your restriction was "just like everyone else's", which didn't really tell us anything because we don't know what "everyone else's" restrictions might be. Things are happening fast. The encroaching Dusk has some of you worried that the Day will end not with a bang, but a whimper. A few points to bring up. I'm under no post restriction. I can speak as freely as I please. But while I wear this mask I will speak as Rorschach. If that is confusing, perhaps you should ask yourselves why. This Doctor claim worries me. We have forced them to claim, surely Scum will try to eliminate her toNight. She may have to self-protect, if she's allowed. Either way, she's of little use to Town until we have a specific person we wanted protected. Like a Cop, or Watcher. I'm having trouble locating Scum as well. The reflex action is to lynch the Lurker, the non-participant. I do not feel this is in Town's best interest. I'm slammed here at work today, so I haven't been able to do more than quickly skim the recent posts, and won't be able to until this evening...until them a few thoughts... Skimming is bad. Mustn't do it. Point taken. I've already answered that question. One of the reasons I cast my vote in the first place was because I felt that Marcel was being evasive concerning his posting restriction. At that time, I felt it was relevant to know whether or not it was a "real" restriction. By the time I posted what you quoted here, I was pretty much convinced that the restriction was indeed "real", so the answer to the question was no longer of great importance. What was still important was the fact that Marcel refused to address the question, which I felt was 'scummy'. Indeed, I noted this as a prime factor in my not changing my vote at that time. I was implying nothing of the sort. I was saying that I was confused about who we was and was not allowed to speak to. It was obvious by this point that Raj's restriction was "real" (he was serving a punishment for breaking it), so why would I have questioned it? I was still having trouble fully parsing it, that's all. I've FOS'd exactly two people, and I've cast votes for both of them. I never expressed any suspicion about Raj whatsoever, only confusion about how his posting restriction worked. And I didn't discuss Eleanor at all except to say that I didn't have a strong opinion on her claim. Since then, I'm leaning more and more toward believing her, since nobody has counter-claimed. The way it seems to be is that you are stretching quite a bit to find a reason to vote for me, and in doing so put a stop to the momentum that has been building against Iskaral this evening. And that is a FOS.
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Day 1
Sept 17, 2010 0:26:23 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 17, 2010 0:26:23 GMT -5
I hate Day 1. Everyone hates Day 1. Once that new-role smell has faded, we're just left with our collective BO, trying to find those few who have doused themselves with too much Polo and are busy milling around in the crowd trying to transfer the lingering stench onto as many others as possible. Me? I smell like fresh oranges and who doesn't love the smell of oranges? And my farts smell like fresh-baked cookies, of course.
Of the bandwagonesque available, I'm most inclined to hitch mine to the batch trying to run over Iskaral. It is not much of an inclanation, and I will not be surprised if it turns out to be misguided.
Vote: Iskaral Pust
If my scumdar had but a ping on it, I'd gladly vote that way instead of jumping on a wagon, but all I've got is general OMGUS feelings toward The Corinthian.
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Day 1
Sept 17, 2010 0:57:12 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Sept 17, 2010 0:57:12 GMT -5
This is a very bizarre game so far. It seems that attacking the early voters is the game of the day. It hurts me to say it but scum are usually not early voters, so the trend is good for scum, not so much for town. I disagree. I think voting early (and here we're mostly talking about Day 1, right?) depends more on the player than on alignment. As far as I recall Ed, NAF, Story, Peerker and paulwhosisnowmeeker often vote early to see where it goes. I almost never vote early Day 1 (although it seems from Ed's list from the last game that I did... strange... I'll have to look at that). Early/Late isn't a scum-tell to me. But I do understand why some would think early to be more pro-town. I'll re-read and be back with a vote before Night. I too find this game very bizarre!!
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Day 1
Sept 17, 2010 6:04:02 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on Sept 17, 2010 6:04:02 GMT -5
This game is pretty hard to follow for me. Between the names (I need to figure out how to put mine underneath my avatar) and the crazy post restrictions, I'm just having a hard time getting to the meat of the content. I'll do my best, as it's getting to be crunch time. So as far as I can see, the case against Iskaral is that he said "I don't believe this claim, but I'm unvoting." I don't have a problem with that in the way that most people do. Absent a counterclaim, you SHOULD unvote a claimed Town doctor, even if you don't particularly believe it. If the Scum has a roleblocker (and I swear to MYSELF that this time, it's not me ), you'll know soon enough if the claim was true, and if not, and a different doctor ends up claiming or dead, we've got a Scum. Easy peasy. So unvoting is the proper Town play, even if you don't believe the claim. It'll work itself out eventually. Stay-Puft is another story. Apparently, the case on him revolves around his reaction to the various post restrictions, and it's a case that resonates a bit more with me. Post restrictions are a null tell, and I don't care if someone actually has one, or if they're staying in character because they think it's fun. The noise added to the thread is minimal if people just ignores them as the null tells that they are. It's when people like Stay-Puft press the issue that it noises up the thread for no real reason. Most people with post restrictions can't come out and say that's what they are. This is the only situation I can think of where too much discussion of it begins to verge on anti-Town. Normally the meme is that any discussion is pro-Town, but if you keep forcing the issue on someone who may be unable to actually respond, and then vote for them based on that (especially when, as I may have mentioned, post restrictions are a NULL TELL), it creates noise and causes problems. I think it's best for Town to let people get their ideas out there, and not care about the language or character they are using to present those ideas. Vote: Stay-Puft
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Day 1
Sept 17, 2010 7:33:35 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Sept 17, 2010 7:33:35 GMT -5
I hate Day 1. Everyone hates Day 1. Once that new-role smell has faded, we're just left with our collective BO... This is a fantastic sentence.
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Day 1
Sept 17, 2010 7:54:31 GMT -5
Post by special on Sept 17, 2010 7:54:31 GMT -5
I hate Day 1. Everyone hates Day 1. Once that new-role smell has faded, we're just left with our collective BO... This is a fantastic sentence. wow. fluffy snuggling from a homocidal maniac. I'm wavering a little bit now after rereading. The friendly false prophet's comments ring true. It is the correct move even if you have significant doubts. I'll check back later after consulting with my Buddy Brahman
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Day 1
Sept 17, 2010 8:03:03 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on Sept 17, 2010 8:03:03 GMT -5
Vote Count, Please?
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Day 1
Sept 17, 2010 8:03:05 GMT -5
Post by Mahaloth on Sept 17, 2010 8:03:05 GMT -5
Of the cases, both are not great, but I have to settle and do not want to delay voting until later(it's Friday already?).
However, I think the case against Stay Puft is more subtantial. Getting us out here and talking is good and I don't think post restriction conversations are a horrible thing to discuss early on.
Vote Stay Puft
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Day 1
Sept 17, 2010 8:21:41 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Sept 17, 2010 8:21:41 GMT -5
So as far as I can see, the case against Iskaral is that he said "I don't believe this claim, but I'm unvoting." I don't have a problem with that in the way that most people do. Absent a counterclaim, you SHOULD unvote a claimed Town doctor, even if you don't particularly believe it. If the Scum has a roleblocker (and I swear to MYSELF that this time, it's not me ), you'll know soon enough if the claim was true, and if not, and a different doctor ends up claiming or dead, we've got a Scum. Easy peasy. So unvoting is the proper Town play, even if you don't believe the claim. It'll work itself out eventually. Thank you. If I wind up getting lynched for the proper play (or for being stupid enough to express my doubt, more like) I might bash my head against a wall. Or someone else's, maybe. I rather like my head intact. It's a nice head, I think. [/color][/quote] I disagree here. I don't think that Stay-Puft's original vote was unwarranted (by day one standards) -- given that Marcel did appear to dodge a direct question, I consider it the best of all votes cast on the issue. The vote on me is another matter, and I wish OMGUS weren't in the way of evaluating it. It's obviously opportunistic, given the voting situation at the time, but the Marshmallow Man doesn't exactly make any bones about that, does he? If I had to name the scummiest comment among those currently voting me it wouldn't be Stay-Puft but Ramesh: Because it twists both my intentions and my actual words. I unvoted despite doubting the claim, not because I doubted it. That doesn't even make sense, is this guy a little light upstairs? Beyond the not-talking-to-women business, heehee. But I'm not going to vote on one sentence. I was planning to vote for Batman yesterday before I ran out of time to post, and I think there's no reason for me not to do that now. Batman has posted five times since things got moving on the game front, and not one of those posts has had any content to it (the closest was something like "well, at least now we know there are post restrictions" after Ramesh was punished). Bill's never been a prolific poster, but this has the look of someone who wants to show himself as present but can't find anything to say. vote: Bill/Batman[/color]
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Day 1
Sept 17, 2010 8:31:24 GMT -5
Post by special on Sept 17, 2010 8:31:24 GMT -5
Because it twists both my intentions and my actual words. I unvoted despite doubting the claim, not because I doubted it. That doesn't even make sense, is this guy a little light upstairs? Beyond the not-talking-to-women business, heehee. But I'm not going to vote on one sentence. I stand by my statement. If you do not believe a claim, then you do not unvote because of it. If you doubt a claim, but wish to give it time to play out, an unvote is the right play.You did state that you doubted it, but my mind was swayed by the recency effect and what was said about you. You made the correct move. I evaluated it using inaccurate data. So, I'lw will unvote you and vote for the the person who presented your actions as 'not believing' as opposed to 'doubtinh' Unvote: Iskaral/Normal Vote: Stay-Puft/Suburban
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Day 1
Sept 17, 2010 8:33:58 GMT -5
Post by special on Sept 17, 2010 8:33:58 GMT -5
I will also practice my proofreading skills.
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Day 1
Sept 17, 2010 8:54:22 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Sept 17, 2010 8:54:22 GMT -5
I was really hoping it wouldn't come to this, but with only 12 hours left in the Day we're running out of time...so I think I have no choice.
I am a Compulsive Town Vigilante.
I didn't want to have to claim, because now we've outed two Power Roles (assuming Eleanor is on the level, which is looking more and more likely) and given the Scum a nice head start. I was ready to post this yesterday evening, to give people more time to consider things, then it looked like the tide was shifting and it wouldn't be necessary. But now I think I can't wait any longer.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go out on the veranda and get some fresh air while you guys talk about me...
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Day 1
Sept 17, 2010 9:11:23 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Sept 17, 2010 9:11:23 GMT -5
It's impossible for me to argue with an uncontested doctor claim on day one, no matter what I think. I'd vote a skeevy detective claim ahead of "I'm the doctor, idiots". I just can't do it. Who do you think is worth voting for, bhok'aral? posting along as i catch up. well to be honest with you no one is really leading the pack. i kind of agree with nordom at this point. lynching a lurker is always kind of an easy out but it still serves its purpose. i mean if you can't participate on Day 1 then what in the world happens later in the game? and i've said it before in the absence of really solid evidence to the contrary i'd rather get rid of a lurker/non participant than someone who is actually giving it a go. and this is total metagame but i won't vote for stay puf. we scragged him on Day 1 over on the dope. and he stalked me over here so i don't particularily want to scrag him here on Day 1 as well. probably not the greatest of reasons but shoot i am working with a monkey's intellect.
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Day 1
Sept 17, 2010 9:29:43 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Sept 17, 2010 9:29:43 GMT -5
and i am in total agreement that trying to tie down game name to avatar to player name is adding a wee bit of complexity to this game.
i really don't see the train on stay puft but what would be new about that.
unvote
vote pinkies
while i think this whole nonsense of either not voting for someone whose claim you doubt and voting for the lesser of two considered townies is a bunch of horse shit at least iskral is participating.
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Day 1
Sept 17, 2010 9:38:37 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Sept 17, 2010 9:38:37 GMT -5
Scum as early voters? I don't know. I think that's very dependent on who comprises the scum team. <snipped> and actually i don't think i has anything to do with the "team" but rather the individual and the way they approach this endeavor. i mean i am ALWAYS going to vote story out of the gate whether he is in the game or not. and i like to use votes to poke other people. there is just something about seeing your name in blue and bolded that seems to generate a response most of the times. that's just my style whether i am scum or town. other folks seem to take a more measured approach. whether they are scum or town. that is just their style. so, meh. null.
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Day 1
Sept 17, 2010 9:44:15 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Sept 17, 2010 9:44:15 GMT -5
and this is total metagame but i won't vote for stay puf. we scragged him on Day 1 over on the dope. and he stalked me over here so i don't particularily want to scrag him here on Day 1 as well. probably not the greatest of reasons but shoot i am working with a monkey's intellect. Awww....you really do care.... <sniff>
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Day 1
Sept 17, 2010 9:52:05 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Sept 17, 2010 9:52:05 GMT -5
I am a Compulsive Town Vigilante. ::: Assumes the pose of Rodin's The Thinker ::: Sucks to be you. ::: Moves his hands as a scale again :: On one hand, if you are telling the truth, aren't you an insta-kill? Doesn't town effectively double their game with one shot? I was of the assumption that a Compulsory Town Vig needs to disclose as first post. Tough Toe Nails and what not. ::Moves his hands as scales, but in opposite positions now:: Otherwise, you are just flat out lying. Lying is anti-town, and I don't think is a bad vote in the least. :: Brings hands in balance to each other :: I don't think the issue of a Doc Claim [true or otherwise] enters this discussion. It's Immaterial. Compulsory Town Vig is bad period. ::: Turns an invisible crank, over dramatically. Then puts his hand to his ear :::: FTR : My vote on you was due to how arbitrary you picked me out of those of us with restrictions. I'm not sure if it is more OMGUS or if it is more Stretching a reason to vote until it hurts. In any event, in terms of expedient play, I don't see a better move than to vote you on Compulsory Vig Alone. Peeker will never live down that one game, and he wasn't compulsory in that one. I would unvote for the former reason, and then re-vote for the latter. But, that's stupid. So vote stays as is.
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Day 1
Sept 17, 2010 9:55:44 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Sept 17, 2010 9:55:44 GMT -5
::Rushes back and sticks up a finger in the air ::
NETA : That is, my original reason to vote you was based on how arbitrary and "cooked" your reasons were. I Don't see how OMGUS can be seperated from that given how your ote played out. I'm not sure the percentages between the two in the make up of my vote on you.
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