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Post by peekercpa on Sept 28, 2010 11:28:43 GMT -5
so we get a pm in a separate thread based on the results of our "investigation".
btw, there was no "Night 1 results" thread so i assume that it was a mass block although i would have expected something along the lines of you were locked in your room or some such nonsense.
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Post by special on Sept 28, 2010 11:31:02 GMT -5
so we get a pm in a separate thread based on the results of our "investigation". btw, there was no "Night 1 results" thread so i assume that it was a mass block although i would have expected something along the lines of you were locked in your room or some such nonsense. I got nothing about being locked in a room or anything either.
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Post by Renata on Sept 28, 2010 11:39:13 GMT -5
Heehee, try this on for size, Zedd -- you visited Batman (or said you did) so as to give *him* credibility, when he hopefully investigates the godfather (or Buddy's miller, if that's not so much bhok-aral poop.) Peer at him now. Does he like the idea that I see right through him? Because I do, I do! He's as transparent as a cloud!
More seriously -- there are still too many loose ends to put this all together, but the most comfortable conclusion of all is that you yourself are one of those who is MURDERING PEOPLE AT NIGHT. Or trying to, heehee. Evasion of detective-like powers is no weak power itself -- you want us to believe it's possible you just wouldn't know? Your god (Blockey, that is) wouldn't tell you? I don't believe it. So either you're lying about visiting Batman, or you're lying about having a godfather-like power. Everything else is irrelevant.
Now maybe the masons are deceiving or are themselves deceived, but there's no reason from my perspective to believe that they are. Occam's razor, my boy. Whatever that is. Does anyone have a comb? The mule needs a good scratching.
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Post by Natlaw on Sept 28, 2010 11:44:49 GMT -5
I tried to kill Batman Someone protected him (because otherwise my 'visit' would have killed him) At least one more person visited him (assuming this because two visits does not qualify as "certainly cramped") Why so much love for the Caped Crusader? It doesn't seem odd to you that so much action was directed his way in one night? And that you just happened to receive a 'tip' on the very Night that we decided to hold a party in his room? If you're implying a nexus power (all actions redirected to Batman) that doesn't work because Eleanor got jailed not Batman. Anyway with the hints George keeps dropping it seems pretty likely one mason is a watcher (or they share that power). I don't think watching a claimed investigator was especially lucky as some mentioned as if truthful he is a high priority target. If Stay Puft got redirected by scum then I can see why the masons aren't revealing everyone who visited as they most likely know an other protector besides Eleanor (who survived because she self protected against the actual scum kill). But it could also be scum and Puft as serial killer doubling up on Eleanor protecting Batman. In which case: should we assume Stay Puft is SK, leash him and vote for his target? For Zedd: did you actually ask our host if your action would count as visiting or not? It's not clear to me from what you posted and I know he has answered questions about my role so I don't see why I wouldn't answer yours. And since our saviour has 'defended' himself now: Vote Buddy Christ
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Post by Renata on Sept 28, 2010 11:47:53 GMT -5
Exactly. I'm not as much of an idiot as georgey seems to take me for. CuriousGeorgeyboy, after Malazan, you should know me well enough to know I would not go for such an obvious and lame move as that. "Uh, I'll just say Batman is no threat so everyone think I'm town. Gee, no one could see through that. Duhhhhhh. They'll never guess I'm actually scum and know he isn't a threat since I am. Duhhhhhh." Give me a bit more credit than that, georgey boy. I think what george means is that you didn't realize you'd be caught lying by what appears to be a watcher of sorts. Barring the watcher, your move makes perfect sense. You counterclaimed him. You didn't trust him. You investigated him. Unfortunately, you were caught by a watcher who revealed his results to a mason. That's doubleplusungood luck. Or, what this idiot said. You people talk too much.
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Post by Mahaloth on Sept 28, 2010 11:48:49 GMT -5
Unfortunately, you were caught by a watcher who revealed his results to a mason. That's doubleplusungood luck. And this is where I"m saying it is "mod error" unless there is some kind of built-in game mechanic where my investigation is not watchable/trackable. I was not informed that my investigation is invisible(if it is) and it looks like I'm getting lynched toMorrow over it, which hurts Town. This is where I'd say it is the game setup problem if I am lynched. Either that, or a few people are really playing us Town big time. I'll admit, I don't know what to think about why I don't show up on a "visiting Batman" list. I should.
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Sept 28, 2010 12:01:18 GMT -5
Unfortunately, you were caught by a watcher who revealed his results to a mason. That's doubleplusungood luck. And this is where I"m saying it is "mod error" unless there is some kind of built-in game mechanic where my investigation is not watchable/trackable. I was not informed that my investigation is invisible(if it is) and it looks like I'm getting lynched toMorrow over it, which hurts Town. This is where I'd say it is the game setup problem if I am lynched. Either that, or a few people are really playing us Town big time. I'll admit, I don't know what to think about why I don't show up on a "visiting Batman" list. I should. Chitter Chitter.... Little Indian Girl :Your power is supposed to work by reading clouds.... why is everyone in wonder that you didn't visit Bill? Oh... and earlier Meeko somehow managed to speak english without me translating.... so we are expecting a strange man with a block for a head to come along and mod slap us.... haven't wanted to post until that happens, just in case... but this has been bugging us for way too long.
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Post by peekercpa on Sept 28, 2010 12:04:44 GMT -5
so we get a pm in a separate thread based on the results of our "investigation". btw, there was no "Night 1 results" thread so i assume that it was a mass block although i would have expected something along the lines of you were locked in your room or some such nonsense. I got nothing about being locked in a room or anything either. but you said you didn't do shit so why would you expect something along those lines?
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Post by special on Sept 28, 2010 12:12:06 GMT -5
I got nothing about being locked in a room or anything either. but you said you didn't do shit so why would you expect something along those lines? On Night 1. I stated that I tried to kill Stay Puft. On Night 2, I didn't do anything.
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Post by peekercpa on Sept 28, 2010 12:19:34 GMT -5
but you said you didn't do shit so why would you expect something along those lines? On Night 1. I stated that I tried to kill Stay Puft. On Night 2, I didn't do anything. ok, that makes sense.
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Post by peekercpa on Sept 28, 2010 12:20:28 GMT -5
neta: and is consistent with what the masons are seeing.
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Post by peekercpa on Sept 28, 2010 12:23:23 GMT -5
and now i wait for strangelove.
the masons are taking turns.
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Post by BillMc on Sept 28, 2010 12:23:53 GMT -5
SQUEEK? (This is kind of a weird question, but is there any reason the PFKs couldn't share a wincon without knowing it? I'm just wondering because: 1) Buddy Christ's taken-with-a-grain-of-salt accusation of two Scum teams makes more sense if it's not actually two teams of Scum, and 2) Power Stealer is a strange role to have as PFK.) I wonder if a liberal does of oil would stop the squeeking?? yes, it is a wierd question - why would you think pfk's shared a wincon but didnt know it?
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Post by septimus on Sept 28, 2010 12:32:22 GMT -5
Players seem confused about the secret message sent to the Masons. I'm a Mason and I'm also confused! I don't want to reveal Masonic secrets unilaterally, but I will confim that the message contained player name(s) not yet mentioned. I would strongly urge that any Townie who targetted Batman during Night 1 or Night 2 say so now. (And say which Night you targetted him). You don't need to reveal what your Special Power is. (And don't worry about admitting you have a special power ... it's becoming increasingly clear that we all do!)
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 28, 2010 12:32:58 GMT -5
I wonder if a liberal does of oil would stop the squeeking?? /me takes a swipe at Batman with the tiny scythe and intentionally misses by a mile. yes, it is a wierd question - why would you think pfk's shared a wincon but didnt know it? SQUEEK. (I don't think they do. I asked if it was possible, given the two factors that I mentioned in that post -- Buddy's WiFoM regarding two Scum teams and the strangeness of a Power Stealer as PFK. Plus, having played in Blocky games before where people had really odd wincons (cf the Mad Scientist game, where my wincon as the mad scientist was to find and improve a specific character). Actually, I had the jester-by-proxy idea first, then the shared-win PFK idea, and please don't ask me to trace my thought processes backward any further on that because I'm not sure I can. )
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Sept 28, 2010 12:33:49 GMT -5
And not that it will probably do any good, but I'll ask again, how did this information come to the Masons? Was it a 'direct communication' from the Mods telling them who visited Batman, or was the information given within the context of the game?. The veracity of the former would seem to be beyond reproach, but the latter should be subject to the same scrutiny as any other statement made within the context of the game. It seems like a simple question...why doesn't it deserve a simple answer? <snipped> ok, i'll give it another go. the masons have a secret board where we can communicate. on that board there is a thread titled "Night 2 results". in this thread the first post is made by Blockey that contains the information that has been shared. Yes, I believe you've said that before. But that is not the question I asked. Please try again. Also, there's this: Alright. In the interest of semi full disclosure, and after discussing it with my masonic brethren. there are some things which have come to light. One of the masons got pm'd this morning that someone had left conclusive evidence on the ground of who exactly visited Batman last night. Zedd's not on that list but Stay Puft is. Main reason for bringing this up, just in case there is a run on masons tonight we don't want to lose data. Raj, would you please dispose of one of them at your earliest convenience? The Corinthian says in this post "One of the masons got pm'd this morning...". You've just said "the masons have a secret board where we can communicate. on that board there is a thread titled 'Night 2 results'. in this thread the first post is made by Blockey that contains the information that has been shared." So which is it? Did one of the Masons get a PM, or did you get a post to the Mason discussion board? It seems that you are telling two different stories.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Sept 28, 2010 12:41:40 GMT -5
I tried to kill Batman Someone protected him (because otherwise my 'visit' would have killed him) At least one more person visited him (assuming this because two visits does not qualify as "certainly cramped") Why so much love for the Caped Crusader? It doesn't seem odd to you that so much action was directed his way in one night? And that you just happened to receive a 'tip' on the very Night that we decided to hold a party in his room? If you're implying a nexus power (all actions redirected to Batman) that doesn't work because Eleanor got jailed not Batman. Anyway with the hints George keeps dropping it seems pretty likely one mason is a watcher (or they share that power). I don't think watching a claimed investigator was especially lucky as some mentioned as if truthful he is a high priority target. If Stay Puft got redirected by scum then I can see why the masons aren't revealing everyone who visited as they most likely know an other protector besides Eleanor (who survived because she self protected against the actual scum kill). But it could also be scum and Puft as serial killer doubling up on Eleanor protecting Batman. In which case: should we assume Stay Puft is SK, leash him and vote for his target? I'm not impying anything at all. I'm stating flat out that the information given by the Masons is incorrect. That's all, at this point. It's possible that one of the Masons is also a Watcher. But if that's the case I'd think they would be open to the possibility that the information they gain from that ability might be suspect, given that it could be affected by role 'corruptors', redirectors, etc... Since they are adamant that their information is correct, I'm guessing it did come to them from a Mod, in some fashion.
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Post by Natlaw on Sept 28, 2010 12:54:20 GMT -5
I don't want to reveal Masonic secrets unilaterally, but I will confim that the message contained player name(s) not yet mentioned. I would strongly urge that any Townie who targetted Batman during Night 1 or Night 2 say so now. (And say which Night you targetted him). You don't need to reveal what your Special Power is. (And don't worry about admitting you have a special power ... it's becoming increasingly clear that we all do!) What purpose has this? As far as I can see the most likely candidate is the watcher himself or a protector not Eleanor. I don't see the need to tell the scum who they are and I doubt all three masons will die the next Night losing the information. You masons might consider telling if Eleanor actually targeted Batman (although if not that would clue in scum there was another protector or blocker). @ Zedd again: yes, yes your initial PM didn't tell you one way or the other. But did you actually ask the moderator if your power would be seen or not by a watcher?
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 28, 2010 13:05:37 GMT -5
SQUEEK! (After rereading the Day, I'm leaning toward believing Zedd and the Masons are all telling the truth, because of this:) Indeed, it says that I can read the clouds and that doing so is somewhat useful. SQUEEK. (Now, this is just me reading in, but I think one can "read the clouds" without having to go anywhere near the who or what one is asking about, so Zedd wouldn't necessarily need to "visit" his target. And, obviously, I'm not Zedd so I can't answer this:) yes, yes your initial PM didn't tell you one way or the other. But did you actually ask the moderator if your power would be seen or not by a watcher? SQUEEK! (And I think it would be a good idea if you did this, Zedd, and reported on the results.) SQUEEK!! (So, yeah. Leaning toward believing Zedd and the Masons, so now I'm really wondering about Mr. Puffy...)
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Post by peekercpa on Sept 28, 2010 13:11:58 GMT -5
I don't want to reveal Masonic secrets unilaterally, but I will confim that the message contained player name(s) not yet mentioned. I would strongly urge that any Townie who targetted Batman during Night 1 or Night 2 say so now. (And say which Night you targetted him). You don't need to reveal what your Special Power is. (And don't worry about admitting you have a special power ... it's becoming increasingly clear that we all do!) What purpose has this? As far as I can see the most likely candidate is the watcher himself or a protector not Eleanor. I don't see the need to tell the scum who they are and I doubt all three masons will die the next Night losing the information. You masons might consider telling if Eleanor actually targeted Batman (although if not that would clue in scum there was another protector or blocker). @ Zedd again: yes, yes your initial PM didn't tell you one way or the other. But did you actually ask the moderator if your power would be seen or not by a watcher? actually nord this would be extremely helpful information. i'd like to know who fesses up to being at the ball in the batcave last Night. and whether they were there on their own volition or not. why they were there is not important at this point. batty is about as confirmed as he can be. masons want to know if other folks visited him last Night. and by the way we do know but just want to see what the heck happens.
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Post by Renata on Sept 28, 2010 13:15:04 GMT -5
Yes you are, even the mule could see that.
(I was thinking myself whether it would be good to know whether Eleanor visited Batman last night, as it would give more insight into the jailer power if she did. But it's just curiosity; I don't see how knowing would really help anything at this point. I also think that if the masons as a whole want to ask for reveals from those who visited Batman, they should just name names and ask. Otherwise it's a situation where the mafia could stand to learn more than the town does.)
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Post by Mahaloth on Sept 28, 2010 13:15:28 GMT -5
@ Zedd again: yes, yes your initial PM didn't tell you one way or the other. But did you actually ask the moderator if your power would be seen or not by a watcher? No, but I will now. I'll summarize their response when I get it.
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Post by Drain Bead on Sept 28, 2010 13:30:22 GMT -5
Unvote: Puffy Vote: Rorschach
I'm a SHE, goddamnit.
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Post by Total Ullz on Sept 28, 2010 13:30:42 GMT -5
Am I the only one finding it somewhat amusing that YesterDay we were discussing a non-Scum-game and now we discussing a Two-Scum-Team-game? Yes Ouch!
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Post by Total Ullz on Sept 28, 2010 13:33:27 GMT -5
Players seem confused about the secret message sent to the Masons. I'm a Mason and I'm also confused! I don't want to reveal Masonic secrets unilaterally, but I will confim that the message contained player name(s) not yet mentioned. I would strongly urge that any Townie who targetted Batman during Night 1 or Night 2 say so now. (And say which Night you targetted him). You don't need to reveal what your Special Power is. (And don't worry about admitting you have a special power ... it's becoming increasingly clear that we all do!) I like this approach - however - if Scum has a redirector then I think we need to be careful to lynch based on this alone. Also - what will we learn from intended Night 1 actions? Since we know no action went through Night 1? Anyway - I've never been near the caped crusader in any Nights (in this game).
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Post by Total Ullz on Sept 28, 2010 13:34:48 GMT -5
NETA: I changed the way a bit. In stead of some claiming they did go near him. I think it would be better if all started of they did or didn't.
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Post by Mahaloth on Sept 28, 2010 13:37:42 GMT -5
I would consider that I had been redirected if my result had not been so specific. It didn't say "your target is not a threat to town." It specifically said Batman is not one.
I'm frustrated trying to figure this situation out.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 28, 2010 13:41:20 GMT -5
SQUEEK. (I don't see how outing those with Night "visitation" powers is helpful, especially if we have Night powers that can get information without visiting, but nonetheless in the interest of keeping our claimed Masons happy I did not visit Batman last Night, and I would not have visited him the night before even if all Night actions had not been blocked.)
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Post by julie on Sept 28, 2010 14:21:24 GMT -5
Apologies. There had been an error in my earlier count, so here is an updated count with the error corrected.
Current Vote Count
19 Buddy Christ: Batman (22), Jack Skellington (24), Nakor (25), Galadriel (26), PaulwhoisaMeeko (27), The Corinthian (28), Iskaral Pust (33), Zedd (37), Marcel (39), Stay Puft (40), Homicidal Maniac (42), Curious George (43), Dr. Strangelove (48), Death of Rats (53), Raj (58), Gir! (81), Lt. Columbo (150), Rorschach (160), Nordom (213)
1 Stay Puft: Elizabeth Bathory (95)
1 Rorschach: Buddy Christ (173)
1 PaulwhoisaMeeko:
Corrections welcome.
(I will mostly only do vote counts by request this Day unless something significant changes.)
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 28, 2010 14:25:04 GMT -5
Apologies, but is that Meekowhoisapaul or MeekowhoisaMarcel?
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