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Post by Total Ullz on Sept 28, 2010 8:40:35 GMT -5
As your friendly neighborhood Scum, I'm guessing we have two Scum teams, but that doesn't explain the second no-kill Night very well. Are you trying to be helpful? Or just messing with Town's investigations? Ehhh. When was Scum ever helpful? I say we ignore all post from DB at this point in time. It's all WiFoM - and (I just saw the movie the other day) as you might remember there's poison in both cups.
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Post by Mahaloth on Sept 28, 2010 8:53:13 GMT -5
If they don't respond, are we to assume that lynching you will be their fault? Well, yeah. If there was an error and they don't fix it, then it is their fault if I get lynched. I'm assuming it is not "mod error", though. There is some reason my power did not register as a "visit". I think I should have been told about it my role PM, though, which I wasn't.
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Post by Meeko on Sept 28, 2010 8:55:01 GMT -5
Good grief you're all talkative during the day. Don't any of you have jobs? ::: Shakes his head no. :::
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Post by peekercpa on Sept 28, 2010 8:57:14 GMT -5
Having had the chance to catch up, seems I was rather popular last night - not surprising. Thanks to whoever had my back. you don't even know the half of it. if you check your bar this morning i think you will find that you need to make a run to the local liquor warehouse and restock on everything. quite a gathering. even assuming that zed just forgot to sign the guest book (which i highly doubt) the bat cave was certainly cramped last Night.
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Post by BillMc on Sept 28, 2010 9:05:53 GMT -5
As your friendly neighborhood Scum, I'm guessing we have two Scum teams, but that doesn't explain the second no-kill Night very well. The is an interesting revelation, and a genesis of an idea. Given there were no investigation results for N1, Puft is likely being truthful that he did a block all. With 25 players, probably 5 scum, and if there is only a single night kill, then this is going to be a long game. On the town side (assuming for the sake of argument, claims have been truthful) 3 Masons - George, Corinthian, Strangelove Vigs - Stay Puft (Compulsory), Rajesh (Limited) Blockers - Columbo, Marcel (Single Shot Mass Block) Cops - Batman (alignment & powers), Zedd (threat or powers) Doc - Eleanor Hider - Pinkies1 So for the town powers exposed, there is a primary and backup; so we most likely have another doc, full or partial. So assuming we have a backp doc, that's at least 12 town powers. That's a pretty powerful town. Scum have- -a Corrupter (Buddy) -most probably a redirector (best explanation for puft targeting me) -a Jailer (cant see it being pro-town to jail the Doc) - there needs to be 2-3 more scum with powers to balance the town. PFK - Power Stealer - Pinkies2 Power Stealer as a 3rd party is rather unusual - indeed, it would be a pretty tough role to try and win with. More importantly, he wasn't an SK - and we would almost certainly expect an SK in a game with 25 folk. So that does suggest that there are multiple PFK's. If we take Buddy's comment with a grain of salt, it seems to suggest that the Scum tried something last night, which failed, that cannot be explained by the exposed powers. Given the mason's evidence that there appears to be a redirector, the town needs to block and/or remove Puft toNight. But with both town vigs and the town blocker exposed, it's probably going to be a messy Night.
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Post by Meeko on Sept 28, 2010 9:05:57 GMT -5
find me the man with the yellow hat. get me a fruit smoothie and get ed's foot off of my side of the crypt and then we can talk. :::Looks to the monkey ::: OOGHey, There is no way on earth that I extended THAT day. I would name drop, but we are already Chocolate in my Peanut Butter, Peanut Butter in my Chocolate enough over this. But I did offer to be buried next to Ed, so perhaps I could put my foot on his other side to compensate? But yes, after these games, let's talk..... I'm thinking a Win Lose or Draw / Pictionary type game, where we give each other a concept. We then talk about that concept in a thread, that players have signed up to play in. The first player to figure it out wins a point. So yes, we can talk sometime, but I think we will remain cryptic all the time. /OOG
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Post by peekercpa on Sept 28, 2010 9:06:01 GMT -5
Been wondering why you counterclaimed Cop role when yours is more like a Watcher, of the telepathic sort. Makes no sense. Town would not counterclaim Cop, unless Batman lied. Two Cops in game? Doesn't seem balanced for Scum. Evidence points to Batman telling the truth, his target has confessed. Perhaps you are Scum and sought to get Batman lynched once he claimed Cop. Easy to eliminate Town power by sowing seeds of doubt among Town, but worth trading Cop for Scum? <snipped> and i guess we'll see but what i would posit is that scum tried to kill batty. when he doesn't die zed decides to play for a little cred by "confirming" him after his reveal. i mean scum would know that he is being truthful. fry buddy, confirm batty and try to generate a little cred for zed.
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Post by BillMc on Sept 28, 2010 9:08:47 GMT -5
you don't even know the half of it. if you check your bar this morning i think you will find that you need to make a run to the local liquor warehouse and restock on everything. quite a gathering. even assuming that zed just forgot to sign the guest book (which i highly doubt) the bat cave was certainly cramped last Night. Damn, I go out scum hunting and come home to find that I missed a party at my own place, AND they drank all my booze So I take if from your comments, that there were others present that the Masons have decided not to expose for now. I can understand that.
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Post by Meeko on Sept 28, 2010 9:09:20 GMT -5
As your friendly neighborhood Scum, I'm guessing we have two Scum teams, but that doesn't explain the second no-kill Night very well. The is an interesting revelation, and a genesis of an idea. Given there were no investigation results for N1, Puft is likely being truthful that he did a block all. ::: Snip Motion, then points to himself :::: I don't follow Puft doing a block all. Did you perhaps mean Marcel did a block all ?
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Post by Meeko on Sept 28, 2010 9:14:12 GMT -5
::: shakes his head no ::: It obviously couldn't have been Conspiracy for the masons. were we both wolves in that one? Well at least that was an off board thread for the two of us. And Ed. Perhaps it wasn't so bad that Ed left on night 1 after all. As did you. I think the wolves in that game were you, me, bufftabby, cookies, and paul. ::: Shakes his head no twice ::: OOGDidn't say I Didn't The context of the incorrect statement was that the three of us were together in an off thread board. Ed, we both know you would actively read to forbidden thread or worse to mod kill, if you had to read the dictionaree. /OOG
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Post by Total Ullz on Sept 28, 2010 9:15:15 GMT -5
So I take if from your comments, that there were others present that the Masons have decided not to expose for now. I can understand that. This was implied earlier.
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Post by Mahaloth on Sept 28, 2010 9:19:06 GMT -5
[ and i guess we'll see but what i would posit is that scum tried to kill batty. when he doesn't die zed decides to play for a little cred by "confirming" him after his reveal. i mean scum would know that he is being truthful. fry buddy, confirm batty and try to generate a little cred for zed. I'm a better player than to do something so lame and obvious. That is the only scum tactic I can think of for my motives, but it's so stupid, only a really lame or new player would pull it. If I was scum, I'd shut my mouth and share my results only with the scum team to help identify key Night Kills.
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Post by special on Sept 28, 2010 9:25:30 GMT -5
As did you. I think the wolves in that game were you, me, bufftabby, cookies, and paul. ::: Shakes his head no twice ::: OOGDidn't say I Didn't The context of the incorrect statement was that the three of us were together in an off thread board. Ed, we both know you would actively read to forbidden thread or worse to mod kill, if you had to read the dictionaree. /OOGMake sense, then we can talk.
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Post by Total Ullz on Sept 28, 2010 9:40:11 GMT -5
Am I the only one finding it somewhat amusing that YesterDay we were discussing a non-Scum-game and now we discussing a Two-Scum-Team-game?
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Post by special on Sept 28, 2010 9:46:46 GMT -5
Am I the only one finding it somewhat amusing that YesterDay we were discussing a non-Scum-game and now we discussing a Two-Scum-Team-game? Yes
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Post by special on Sept 28, 2010 9:47:36 GMT -5
I think at this point, I can talk to everyone but the son of God.
Thanks, guys
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Post by Meeko on Sept 28, 2010 9:49:56 GMT -5
On the other hand, Buddy may have used power on you. Make you appear Scummy, or Miller-like. Could be that you are telling the truth, that you really are Town. Or could be you are Scum and Buddy did this to protect you. If Town investigates and reveals you as Scum, you can blame Buddy and we all turn our attention elsewhere. Interesting gambit. :: Makes snipping gesture to the point that he is making a set of paper dolls chain holding hands or a snowflake. Snips of paper flying every which way. :: On the other hand, Buddy may have used power on you. Make you appear Scummy, or Miller-like. I think you might be working with an implication that I don't quite think made it past half-baked. Are you saying that a Corrupter could PM a Masonry, That Corrupter could change a result, or in any other way "mess" with Zedd? Does the Corrupter have free choice in using his corruption, or is it an automatic defense mechanism that can only activate once someone else "checks*" them ? If Buddy has such a power, it would be a lesser power compared to a Corrupter that has free choice. If we buy in to the one post that we have a Lesser and a Greater power set
Then I fear for the game.
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Post by Meeko on Sept 28, 2010 9:59:41 GMT -5
Am I the only one finding it somewhat amusing that YesterDay we were discussing a non-Scum-game and now we discussing a Two-Scum-Team-game? ::Holds up to fingers on one hand, and makes a small circle like a closed OK sign on his other :: I believe the statement loses something as you parsed it. I think the energy, if you will of a non scum game is still present in the energy of a three team [or more] game. ---- ::: Holds up the NETA finger :: Totally forgot from my previous post
* Check : A Magic:TG term meaning that something is triggered, and at the triggering, the value must be reported at that exact time. That is, the power in play only defends against being provoked.
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Post by peekercpa on Sept 28, 2010 10:26:45 GMT -5
[ and i guess we'll see but what i would posit is that scum tried to kill batty. when he doesn't die zed decides to play for a little cred by "confirming" him after his reveal. i mean scum would know that he is being truthful. fry buddy, confirm batty and try to generate a little cred for zed. I'm a better player than to do something so lame and obvious. That is the only scum tactic I can think of for my motives, but it's so stupid, only a really lame or new player would pull it. If I was scum, I'd shut my mouth and share my results only with the scum team to help identify key Night Kills. did you actually just say that scum would never do that?
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Post by Inner Stickler on Sept 28, 2010 10:31:37 GMT -5
He's saying were he scum he would never do that.
I'm reminded of Ed's complaint in Princess Bride mafia that everyone seemed to be assuming he had the mental competence of a rock.
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Post by peekercpa on Sept 28, 2010 10:37:24 GMT -5
He's saying were he scum he would never do that. I'm reminded of Ed's complaint in Princess Bride mafia that everyone seemed to be assuming he had the mental competence of a rock. he doesn't? fcs, look where he's got his foot.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 28, 2010 10:44:40 GMT -5
<font style="font-size: 12px;">Stay Puft got blocked by Columbo maybe? SQUEEK (Columbo "blocked" me; he said so on Page...1, I think?) Given the mason's evidence that there appears to be a redirector, the town needs to block and/or remove Puft toNight. But with both town vigs and the town blocker exposed, it's probably going to be a messy Night. SQUEEK. (I agree that a redirector -- if there is one -- means that Puft is more of a threat to Town than he would be otherwise, depending on how the redirector works. Of course, there's also the WiFom regarding whether the redirector should redirect Raj instead, since he might choose to take action.) Power Stealer as a 3rd party is rather unusual - indeed, it would be a pretty tough role to try and win with. More importantly, he wasn't an SK - and we would almost certainly expect an SK in a game with 25 folk. So that does suggest that there are multiple PFK's. SQUEEK? (This is kind of a weird question, but is there any reason the PFKs couldn't share a wincon without knowing it? I'm just wondering because: 1) Buddy Christ's taken-with-a-grain-of-salt accusation of two Scum teams makes more sense if it's not actually two teams of Scum, and 2) Power Stealer is a strange role to have as PFK.) SQUEEK. (As far as the multiple people visiting BillMcBatman, I'm satisfied that the Masons did receive said list, but I had another strange thought based on the complex argument going on about who-did-what and Zedd and Puft's insistence the Masons are wrong -- What if the information was provided by a Jester-by-proxy; someone who wins if they can get a specific other character lynched?)
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 28, 2010 10:50:05 GMT -5
He's saying were he scum he would never do that. I'm reminded of Ed's complaint in Princess Bride mafia that everyone seemed to be assuming he had the mental competence of a rock. he doesn't? fcs, look where he's got his foot. SQUEEK. (Ew.)
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Post by julie on Sept 28, 2010 10:53:03 GMT -5
Current Vote Count
18 Buddy Christ: Batman (22), Jack Skellington (24), Nakor (25), Galadriel (26), Meeko (27), The Corinthian (28), Iskaral Pust (33), Zedd (37), Marcel (39), Stay Puft (40), Homicidal Maniac (42), Curious George (43), Dr. Strangelove (48), Death of Rats (53), Raj (58), Gir! (81), Lt. Columbo (150), Rorschach (160)
2 Stay Puft: Elizabeth Bathory (95), Buddy Christ (173)
Corrections welcome.
(I will mostly only do vote counts by request this Day unless something significant changes.)
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Post by special on Sept 28, 2010 10:53:35 GMT -5
He's saying were he scum he would never do that. I'm reminded of Ed's complaint in Princess Bride mafia that everyone seemed to be assuming he had the mental competence of a rock. he doesn't? fcs, look where he's got his foot. Not yet, but I'm studying really hard. I don't want to look, btw
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Sept 28, 2010 10:58:06 GMT -5
Having had the chance to catch up, seems I was rather popular last night - not surprising. Thanks to whoever had my back. you don't even know the half of it. if you check your bar this morning i think you will find that you need to make a run to the local liquor warehouse and restock on everything. quite a gathering. even assuming that zed just forgot to sign the guest book (which i highly doubt) the bat cave was certainly cramped last Night. Hold on a minute...so you're saying that: I tried to kill Batman Someone protected him (because otherwise my 'visit' would have killed him) At least one more person visited him (assuming this because two visits does not qualify as "certainly cramped") Why so much love for the Caped Crusader? It doesn't seem odd to you that so much action was directed his way in one night? And that you just happened to receive a 'tip' on the very Night that we decided to hold a party in his room? I do have another question, though. One that I've asked several times but have yet to receive a response to. You know what else has been asked several times, but has not yet been responded to? Who you targetted last Night. Yeah, but I asked first But at this point I suppose it won't do much harm. I targeted Dexter last night. He was the scummiest feeling from the 'haven't yet claimed' pool. And not that it will probably do any good, but I'll ask again, how did this information come to the Masons? Was it a 'direct communication' from the Mods telling them who visited Batman, or was the information given within the context of the game?. The veracity of the former would seem to be beyond reproach, but the latter should be subject to the same scrutiny as any other statement made within the context of the game. It seems like a simple question...why doesn't it deserve a simple answer?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Sept 28, 2010 10:59:37 GMT -5
I think at this point, I can talk to everyone but the son of God. Thanks, guys Well, I'm not sure you want to talk to him anyway. He sounds more like the AntiBuddy to me...
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Post by Mahaloth on Sept 28, 2010 10:59:40 GMT -5
He's saying were he scum he would never do that. I'm reminded of Ed's complaint in Princess Bride mafia that everyone seemed to be assuming he had the mental competence of a rock. Exactly. I'm not as much of an idiot as georgey seems to take me for. CuriousGeorgeyboy, after Malazan, you should know me well enough to know I would not go for such an obvious and lame move as that. "Uh, I'll just say Batman is no threat so everyone think I'm town. Gee, no one could see through that. Duhhhhhh. They'll never guess I'm actually scum and know he isn't a threat since I am. Duhhhhhh." Give me a bit more credit than that, georgey boy.
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Post by special on Sept 28, 2010 11:19:58 GMT -5
He's saying were he scum he would never do that. I'm reminded of Ed's complaint in Princess Bride mafia that everyone seemed to be assuming he had the mental competence of a rock. Exactly. I'm not as much of an idiot as georgey seems to take me for. CuriousGeorgeyboy, after Malazan, you should know me well enough to know I would not go for such an obvious and lame move as that. "Uh, I'll just say Batman is no threat so everyone think I'm town. Gee, no one could see through that. Duhhhhhh. They'll never guess I'm actually scum and know he isn't a threat since I am. Duhhhhhh." Give me a bit more credit than that, georgey boy. I think what george means is that you didn't realize you'd be caught lying by what appears to be a watcher of sorts. Barring the watcher, your move makes perfect sense. You counterclaimed him. You didn't trust him. You investigated him. Unfortunately, you were caught by a watcher who revealed his results to a mason. That's doubleplusungood luck.
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Post by peekercpa on Sept 28, 2010 11:23:22 GMT -5
And not that it will probably do any good, but I'll ask again, how did this information come to the Masons? Was it a 'direct communication' from the Mods telling them who visited Batman, or was the information given within the context of the game?. The veracity of the former would seem to be beyond reproach, but the latter should be subject to the same scrutiny as any other statement made within the context of the game. It seems like a simple question...why doesn't it deserve a simple answer? <snipped> ok, i'll give it another go. the masons have a secret board where we can communicate. on that board there is a thread titled "Night 2 results". in this thread the first post is made by Blockey that contains the information that has been shared.
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