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Sept 25, 2007 9:31:06 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 25, 2007 9:31:06 GMT -5
Thanks for the summary, Cat.
"Does a lynching provide more value to the town in terms of info gained than the loss of the player?"
I think the key question that we should all be asking ourselves every time we lay down a vote, and ESPECIALLY when we're collectively close to a hammer is:
"Does THIS lynching potentially provide more value to the town in terms of info gained than the loss of the player?"
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Sept 25, 2007 9:36:24 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Sept 25, 2007 9:36:24 GMT -5
I don't really want to get too involved in the information deficit thing because I don't have the terminology to take it too far. My algebra is sadly rusted. Anyone with some WD=40? The question of lynching or no is separate from this. The problem is that in this game, it's easier to not-lynch. In previous games not-lynching has required a tie at end of Day, followed by a tie at end of overtime. Here someone can have a majority (whether simple or overall majority) but still not be lynched because that requires an absolute majority. Thus the question is more important than in previous games. No-lynch required an effort. Here it requires an effort to lynch,and so a question that was not very important comes to the fore. That question is, do you really think that candidate is scummy? In other games it was not important because you could go and vote for someone else on the ground that you found them more scummy. That act would not imperil the Almighty Lynch. Here, on the other hand, it does. So you have to ask whether you really think Candidate X was scummy. If you really think the lead candidate is scummy, you'll vote accordingly and satisfy both desires - lucky you. If you think the lead candidate is likely to, or might be, or possibly is, scummy then you can justify a vote for him or her. But what if you are convinced of the player's Crew status? For whatever reason? Should you vote for a lynch anyway, knowing (or believing) that the victim is just another townie? Well, Alliance scum don't have this problem - they want the townie dead. Just so long as they can reasonably justify it later. But Crew? Speaking personally, I don't think the town can make a habit of it. Doing things by rote is bad. You do them without thinking, then suddenly find that the scum have set a trap for you. The way I see Days that go to the end of the line, there are three basic possibilities. - That you think one or all lynchable candidates are scum. Then you will vote for one of them.
- That you think one or more lynchable candidates might be scum. In such cases, vote to lynch one of them.
- That you think none of the lynchable candidates are scum. In this case, you need to assess whether the need for more or better quality information outweighs the death of someone you really believe is town.
Personally it would take a lot of very convincing argument to persuade me that the death of a townie was ever worth it. Maybe if their death would certainly expose one of two competing claims as scum. As Day 1 thundered to its close, I did seriously think of reversing my position not to vote Dotchan 1 for two reasons : one was BlaMs argument and the other was the question "suppose I'm wrong?" Well I decided that the principle of "Vote for those you really think are scum" outweighed the town's need for information and declined to vote. That's my tuppence on the "To lynch or no" debate.
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Sept 25, 2007 10:20:38 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Sept 25, 2007 10:20:38 GMT -5
I'm just doing a quick check in right now to say that I'm here and have skimmed over toDay's posts. I see that there are a few people who are finding me to be scummy, but I didn't see any analysis that I can refute, so I am not sure why I am scummy. The only thing I can think of right now is that I didn't vote for Dotchan. When Dot went up on the lynch block for the first time, I thought she might be scum. I did say that I wouldn't let a no-lynch happen because of my vote when I unvoted her. As the Day's events progressed, I no longer found her to be scummy and therefore could not justify voting for someone I thought to be crew. At that point, I could have voted for CatInASuit, but I didn't find him scummy either. So I held to the credo to "vote for who you think is scummiest". Sorry that I changed my mind about Dot. One thing that I did notice is that after the Dawn post, Hal Briston said this: From my perspective (one of no information other than my role), it didn't seem too hard to think through. Greedy killed Diggit, and scum killed Greedy. (This was before panamajack said he was attacked.) If Hal was having a hard time figuring out who killed who, to me that would mean he had some additional information that was making it difficult to parse the info. What I don't know is if he has scum info, power role info, or some other bad guy info. But I think he has more info than me for sure. Another post that struck me as oddly scummy was this one by drainbead. I think it's the wording here that is throwing me off. If I had asked the same question it would have been: "If a role with a night action is killed, does their night action still go through." Now if anyone who thinks I'm scummy can 'splain why, I'll be happy to respond.
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Sept 25, 2007 10:20:53 GMT -5
Post by Mad The Swine on Sept 25, 2007 10:20:53 GMT -5
Well that's a bit of a mess. [oog] So long fellas. Have fun kibitzing and cheer what you can of your teams on. And Kat, explosions are always good. [oog] Personally I feel that Diggit's death is a bit serendipitous. His rolename provides MadTheSwine's claim with some substantial verification. I think we can probably trust Mad for the next day or so. (I'm still worried about a recruiting faction, so we'll have to watch Mad for signs that he's been switched sides.) Greedy's death will buy time for the town to develop evidence. So I'm not going to miss the role. Excuse me I have some files to update. Shoot..saw this post yesterday and thought WTF..I am confirmed town and yet mhaye stillll wants to cast doubt on me. I skimmed mhayes posting and a few things pinged.He was the first to question my role claim of mason and wanted more info...don't know if thats scummy..it seemed scummy to me cause I knew I was being truthful. He defends dotchan several times over refusing to vote for her. Townie taking a chance or scum knowing damn well dot ain't scum? I will vote mhaye for now.
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Sept 25, 2007 11:25:12 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Sept 25, 2007 11:25:12 GMT -5
With 5 days left, I suppose I'll ask for a VOTE COUNT, please? Just for posterity's sake. Because i think we've got like 5 or so candidates with 1 vote on them. And I'd like to see them all together.
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Sept 25, 2007 11:46:02 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Sept 25, 2007 11:46:02 GMT -5
I just did a tally and Sinjin, Drainbead, Tragic, Storyteller, and Mhaye all have one vote.
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Sept 25, 2007 11:51:31 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Sept 25, 2007 11:51:31 GMT -5
As requested.
2- sinjin (Diomedes, zeriel)
1- drainbead (Idle Thoughts) 1- mhaye (MadtheSwine) 1- Storyteller (Spaceman BlaM) 1- tragic (Roosh)
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Sept 25, 2007 11:53:25 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Sept 25, 2007 11:53:25 GMT -5
Personally I feel that Diggit's death is a bit serendipitous. His rolename provides MadTheSwine's claim with some substantial verification. I think we can probably trust Mad for the next day or so. (I'm still worried about a recruiting faction, so we'll have to watch Mad for signs that he's been switched sides.) Greedy's death will buy time for the town to develop evidence. So I'm not going to miss the role. Excuse me I have some files to update. Shoot..saw this post yesterday and thought WTF..I am confirmed town and yet mhaye stillll wants to cast doubt on me. I skimmed mhayes posting and a few things pinged.He was the first to question my role claim of mason and wanted more info...don't know if thats scummy..it seemed scummy to me cause I knew I was being truthful. He defends dotchan several times over refusing to vote for her. Townie taking a chance or scum knowing gorram well dot ain't scum? I will vote mhaye for now. Sorry Mad, but I think you're not quite getting what I'm saying. Right now, you are the player I am most confident of being Crew aligned (other than myself and the dead, of course). Let's say 99.9% certain. What I worry is that Tonight, or Tomorrow Night, or some future Night, some faction of the Alliance that recruits come along, puts the arm on you and brings you into their dark fold. You are (as far as I can see) plum recruitment material precisely because Diggit's death brought you so much confirmation of your roleclaim. But it has not happened yet, and may never do so. There may be no recruiting faction in the game. I don't know. What I'm saying is that if there were, they'd certainly be eyeing you up for recruitment later. Further, if you are recruited then comparison of after-recruitment posts with posts you made Yesterday or Today may yield evidence of your changed alignment. Vote for me if you must, but you are misguided.
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Sept 25, 2007 11:58:18 GMT -5
Post by Mad The Swine on Sept 25, 2007 11:58:18 GMT -5
Shoot..saw this post yesterday and thought WTF..I am confirmed town and yet mhaye stillll wants to cast doubt on me. I skimmed mhayes posting and a few things pinged.He was the first to question my role claim of mason and wanted more info...don't know if thats scummy..it seemed scummy to me cause I knew I was being truthful. He defends dotchan several times over refusing to vote for her. Townie taking a chance or scum knowing gorram well dot ain't scum? I will vote mhaye for now. What I worry is that Tonight, or Tomorrow Night, or some future Night, some faction of the Alliance that recruits come along, puts the arm on you and brings you into their dark fold. You are (as far as I can see) plum recruitment material precisely because Diggit's death brought you so much confirmation of your roleclaim. But it has not happened yet, and may never do so. There may be no recruiting faction in the game. I don't know. What I'm saying is that if there were, they'd certainly be eyeing you up for recruitment later. Further, if you are recruited then comparison of after-recruitment posts with posts you made Yesterday or Today may yield evidence of your changed alignment. Vote for me if you must, but you are misguided. I am familiar with the recruiting role..but it really never entered my mind that there might be one ..until you brought it up. Just out of curiosity..say there is a recruiting role..how do you know I wasn't recruited last night?
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Sept 25, 2007 12:11:26 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Sept 25, 2007 12:11:26 GMT -5
I am familiar with the recruiting role..but it really never entered my mind that there might be one ..until you brought it up. Just out of curiosity..say there is a recruiting role..how do you know I wasn't recruited last night? *Scratch head* You know, I don't. If you were, all I can say is that's an extraordinary coincidence. I don't see a group having the ability to recruit and kill on the same Night, so you'd likely not have had a chance to get your new friends to kill your brother for town cred. Thus you must have been recruited and your coMason blown up (gruesomely) all on the same Night, by two independent groups. So I don't know, but consider it very very unlikely. In fact, I'll believe it only once I get to see the setup info and actions for the first two Nights. I also considered the possibility that you might have been recruited on Night 1, but I'd consider recruitment as a killing role (it brings the Alliance faction that recruits closer to victory) so I dismissed that option too.
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Sept 25, 2007 12:30:20 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Sept 25, 2007 12:30:20 GMT -5
If i may chime in on the recruiting thing: This possibility will ALWAYS be in the back of my mind until proven otherwise. But it won't affect my game play directly until we have evidence. So if over the course of the game we discover a Cult member somewhere, I will immediately begin to suspect you Mad (simply because you've been a "confirmed' townie for so long. I will also begin to suspect all the other "confirmed" roles as well.
But until we see a dead cult guy, I'm not going to really do anything about it. But yes, I am considering you might have been recruited last night. But I need bodies before I will make any more assumptions than that.
*In other games, Recruitment has brought about a loss of powers as well if they recruit a power role, So if Mr. Universe starts giving us Fuzzy Screens day after day, I'd also consider that suspicious. :shrug: But that's just my own thoughts.
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Sept 25, 2007 12:33:16 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Sept 25, 2007 12:33:16 GMT -5
Okay, I reread what's happened toDay, and I feel like I just waded through a bunch of fuzz. It's hard for me to pull information from toDay just 'cause I feel like stuff is being contributed, but not stuff I can use to base a vote on.
1. sinjin vs. Diomedes - This has calmed down now, but it created about a page of fuzz. I think the debate was necessary to make sure sinjin understood why Diomedes wasn't giving up all his information and reasoning, but it never struck me as scummy, just newbie town wonderment.
2. Spaceman Blam & storyteller - I feel like Spaceman is the hard science major, and storyteller is the soft science major. Spaceman likes numbers, equations, and theories, while storyteller goes for gut instincts, verbal habits, word choices, etc. I think if Spaceman Blam called a truce with storyteller and they put their collective heads together (analytical meets warm fuzzy feelings!) they could probably nail down any scum...unless of course one is scum and they don't want to team up.
For Spaceman Blam, at first I thought that his long wordy posts with math I didn't quite understand was an attempt to muddy the waters, but after a reread I get the math and see where he's coming from. However, I feel like the argument he's using boils down to "story's opinion is different than mine, and here's a mathematical explanation as to why I'm right and he's wrong." Somebody else pointed this out and Spaceman said he was going to address things a bit better in a follow-up post, so I'll wait for that before I start contemplating any fancy colored maneuvers such as FOSing or voting.
3. Panamajack vs. The Santa Slayer(tm) - This is an interesting development. We've got a chance of a chance killer out there. Or maybe somebody has the ability to make a person think they were attacked but survived during the night? (That'd be an amusing ability. *jots notes down for a possible future closed game*) Either way, my opinion on this is that we need more information on it. ToMorrow, if somebody extra ends up dead, or if somebody else reports being attacked by the Santa Slayer but defending, we can maybe put our heads together as to whether it's a Vig or another SK that's out there stalking people.
4. The Lurkers - I think things have slowed down dramatically compared to yesterDay. I'd personally like to see some new opinions from the ones who were saddened by how much there was to read yesterDay, since there's clearly been a slowing down of the posting.
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Sept 25, 2007 13:22:40 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on Sept 25, 2007 13:22:40 GMT -5
Another post that struck me as oddly scummy was this one by drainbead. Seriously? You think using the generic you in that situation is scummy? That's just bizarre.
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Sept 25, 2007 13:48:38 GMT -5
Post by Hal Briston on Sept 25, 2007 13:48:38 GMT -5
From my perspective (one of no information other than my role), it didn't seem too hard to think through. Greedy killed Diggit, and scum killed Greedy. (This was before panamajack said he was attacked.) If Hal was having a hard time figuring out who killed who, to me that would mean he had some additional information that was making it difficult to parse the info. What I don't know is if he has scum info, power role info, or some other bad guy info. But I think he has more info than me for sure. The only additional info I have* is that in Mafia games ( especially in a closed game), Occam's Razor will slit your throat quicker than you can blink. I mean, did anyone seriously think that the scum and the SK were the only ones with a nightkill ability in this game? It wasn't something I could swear to, but at the time, I'd have placed a healthy wager on there being more people with a nightkill ability out there (and, based on panamajack's claims, I'd have been right). *Excepting what I learned from my night visitor, which is not relevant here.
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Sept 25, 2007 13:52:57 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Sept 25, 2007 13:52:57 GMT -5
Another post that struck me as oddly scummy was this one by drainbead. Seriously? You think using the generic you in that situation is scummy? That's just bizarre. It's just an observation, and yes I do think how things are worded is relevant.
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Sept 25, 2007 14:04:52 GMT -5
Post by Parzival on Sept 25, 2007 14:04:52 GMT -5
atarus, your comment was also something that made me wonder - the possibility of a role that causes something like hallucinations (e.g. - Hal sees visions and hears voices, I imagine I've been attacked, etc.) but I'm doubting it for the moment. At any rate, I don't think anything more can be determined from my attack until future Days.
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Sept 25, 2007 14:09:08 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on Sept 25, 2007 14:09:08 GMT -5
Seriously? You think using the generic you in that situation is scummy? That's just bizarre. It's just an observation, and yes I do think how things are worded is relevant. How things are worded is relevant, but I can't really see how that one is. I can see certain things as being more likely to be worded a certain way by the scum than they would be by a crewmember, but I don't think using the generic you when asking a question about a role's ability is one of those things. I would have made the question in green had I thought there was a chance the mods would answer it (which is REALLY ironic, since they did). So I was asking that to everyone else, not the mods. Why wouldn't I use "you"?
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Sept 25, 2007 14:13:50 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 25, 2007 14:13:50 GMT -5
If the Santa Slayer/Slasher is actually handing out 'shrooms, I'll volunteer to be visited.
What?
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Sept 25, 2007 14:16:07 GMT -5
Post by Parzival on Sept 25, 2007 14:16:07 GMT -5
With respect to the Day ending & the final votes.
It seems to me that it's going to be even tougher to get a majority lynch in the future. I have a feeling that some people who voted for zuma/chan were simply wanting to know what information, if any, we get from a lynch. It was unfortunate that she was one of the last targets chosen. Now that we've had such a lynch, there's less information to be gained from a single person lynched. Ideally, though, it will yield more information about players as they shift sides on the choices.
The problem I see for us in the next few days is that we don't want to prematurely jump on a candidate and force more role claims. But I think it's more important that we don't carry it down to the wire again, since each time it leads to hasty decisions and the chance for scum to create last-minute chaos.
One of the things I did yesterday was hold out a FOS on people who hadn't voted. I didn't quite clarify well what I meant by it, but I do intend to. I'm going to have lunch now, but I'll be back with more thoughts on the end-of-Day period.
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Sept 25, 2007 14:42:28 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 25, 2007 14:42:28 GMT -5
My search foo is seriously hosed. If I use the "search" link at the very top of the page (above the ads) I can see no option for searching for posts made by a particular user. When I try and search for my name, I get all sorts of posts that a) weren't posted by me and b) don't include my name either. If you select "Search posts made by:" and enter you username (which in your case is "cometothedarkside" then you will get the posts you made. However, the missing posts from Day 1 look to be gone for good. Page 14 jumps from Sep 13 to Sep 18, so we've lost about 4-5 days of posts. Someone said that they appear if you do a search for a particular user, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Some seem to and some don't. I searched for all of Cookies posts and I did find some that were between the 13th and the 18th, so I dunno. I think we lost a lot of posts, yeah, but there are some that can be viewed via the user post lookup when the posts themselves were vaporized. Now if anyone who thinks I'm scummy can 'splain why, I'll be happy to respond. I already did. As far as I know (and read) CIAS did too. You did hit upon one of my questions explaining why you voted your one off, but I'm not sure I like it. If i may chime in on the recruiting thing: This possibility will ALWAYS be in the back of my mind until proven otherwise. But it won't affect my game play directly until we have evidence. So if over the course of the game we discover a Cult member somewhere, I will immediately begin to suspect you Mad (simply because you've been a "confirmed' townie for so long. I will also begin to suspect all the other "confirmed" roles as well. But until we see a dead cult guy, I'm not going to really do anything about it. But yes, I am considering you might have been recruited last night. But I need bodies before I will make any more assumptions than that. That's all well and good but maybe (if there's a recruiting team) they'll come after YOU. You've claimed, after all. Why wouldn't you, yourself, be a nice target, hmmmmm?
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Sept 25, 2007 15:06:14 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Sept 25, 2007 15:06:14 GMT -5
That's all well and good but maybe (if there's a recruiting team) they'll come after YOU. You've claimed, after all. Why wouldn't you, yourself, be a nice target, hmmmmm? I would too. I know I haven't been recruited yet. But You can't really take my word on that, i suppose. In the words, of StoryTeller- Yeah, don't trust me either. Though... it would be kinda cool to see if a cult recruit counts as an "attack". So yeah, all that I've said applied to myself as well obviously, it's just I know what's going on with me, so I don't include it. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't.
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Sept 25, 2007 15:09:28 GMT -5
Post by CatInASuit on Sept 25, 2007 15:09:28 GMT -5
Ok, I have been looking for my latest people who seem scummy. The biggest problem is that the time of most prodding was against MadTheSwine and that has all been lost So the suspicion list: Hopefully I won't be running through it like I did in the last day. So looking back through day 1 give the following people. HockeyMonkey still seems scummy despite her answers. FCoD could well be scum if he knew the zuma/dotchan was town and it gives him a place to hide. drainbead has also pinged my scumdar, nothing too specific but something doesn't seem quite right However, top of my sum pile is Spaceman Spiff; A lot of posts and so little substance in terms of working out who the scum might be. I have found more Maths in your posts than in the last set of Mafia games I have seen all of which is very little use to the average townie. More importantly, the following points really irk me. 1) Your insistence that we should never consider someone's rolename as a reason for lynch/non-lynch. I'm sorry, but so far all the names have fitted the characters of those we know about. I'm not saying it will be perfect due to Bastard Mods(tm) but it is a reasonably good guide. Not to mention the fact it is the reason you voted zuma/dotchan at the end, because my name is the only reason I am posting here today instead of zuma/dotchan. 2) Your game information theory and subsequent vote for storyteller. You may not have intended it to seem that way, but that is exactly how it came across and so that is how I will treat it. (and I did it in 5 lines of english as well ) A good scum tell is saying that someone must be scum for a fallacious reason. I consider this your action at this point. 3) Bandwagon jumping: Some very safe votes into the middle of two bandwagons. And your unintentional slip of forgetting who you had voted for. 4) I can find no analysis of other players, other than your attacks on Roosh for his ideas. For someone who is all for getting information to the town I find the lack of any action, other than an end day lynch, to put this into practice really disturbing. In conclusion SpaceMan Spiff: You have some explaining to do.
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Sept 25, 2007 16:00:10 GMT -5
Post by dnooman on Sept 25, 2007 16:00:10 GMT -5
I find myself distrusting DrainBead but I'm not really sure why. I guess it seems like she's holding back as far as posting content goes. I could easily be way off base, but that's all I have at the moment. On the other side of the coin, I find Sinjin to be leaning town for some reason, and again I could quite easily be off base there too.
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Sept 25, 2007 16:01:11 GMT -5
Post by Parzival on Sept 25, 2007 16:01:11 GMT -5
As has already been mentioned by others, it's going to be quite difficult to get a majority to agree on a single candidate. In this event we have people either not voting for anyone, putting their vote on a long shot, or voting despite not thinking the person is scum. While there are legitimate arguments in favor of 'information voting', it's preferable to avoid this since it's an easy excuse for scum. Remember, scum don't want to have to back up their votes if they can help it.
In all likelihood, as the end of the Day approaches, there'll be two or three top vote-getters, and most likely one of them will be chosen. There will also be undecided voters, as well as some people heavily pushing for 'their' candidate.
When it gets down to that, I think it imperative that we know how each voter is going to decide. If you don't think that any of the top is scum, make sure it's known. If you can think of a better candidate, make sure you vote. When it gets to the point that a few 'swing' voters may make the difference, the sooner it's known whether they really will choose one of the top vote-getters, the better and more focused the discussion will be.
Otherwise, people are left guessing as to why we can't lynch. (And we'll have a similar end of day, when it'll be hard to tell what people's real reasons for voting were.) Any Day we do not lynch we stand no chance of killing scum, so even if a no-lynch is preferable to killing someone many think is town, it's still preferable not to get in that situation in the first place.
If we had shifted to zuma/chan earlier Yesterday, I doubt she would have been lynched, if we could have found a better candidate (don't know that we would have).
I would also urge people to seriously consider weighing the option of 'who's the scummier, of these folks'? Even if you don't vote for one, letting us know which way you're leaning may help. We can't really afford to simply choose who we personally think is the scummiest when time is running short.
It's unfortunately going to end up a bit like politics (where you may have to choose between two bad candidates) but the majority system is putting that constraint on us. Otherwise, we really won't get a lynch. Which means, again, no good chance of killing scum.
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Sept 25, 2007 16:16:57 GMT -5
Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Sept 25, 2007 16:16:57 GMT -5
*In other games, Recruitment has brought about a loss of powers as well if they recruit a power role, So if Mr. Universe starts giving us Fuzzy Screens day after day, I'd also consider that suspicious. :shrug: But that's just my own thoughts. With that said, let me put forth my own concerns that I might get fuzzy screens tonight. In a lot of mafiascum days, there are cop/watcher roles that will alternate getting a read and noread on successive nights. If I go a couple more nights with getting reads, I'll assume I was the unlucky recipient of a (town-oriented) roleblock night .5. In other matters, I still find sinjin's bad reasoning scummy. I'm somewhat alarmed by accusations of scumhood without much rationale behind them... this, by the way, does raise my scumdar on hockeymonkey's accusations today based on using the word 'you'. It's also the reason I found Captain Klutz's accusations against me yesterday scummy, but the other people's not so much. While I know it could be a townie grasping for some sort of reasoning to find -someone- scummy, it seems much more like scum trying to find some sort of trick of words in order to gain steam against someone.
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Sept 25, 2007 17:54:27 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Sept 25, 2007 17:54:27 GMT -5
Seriously? You think using the generic you in that situation is scummy? That's just bizarre. It's just an observation, and yes I do think how things are worded is relevant. How things are worded is relevant, that's true. However, in order for Hockey's theory to hold any water, drainbead using the word "you" to refer to her night killed action going trough would have to have happened after drainbead was already dead.
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Day Two
Sept 25, 2007 18:35:50 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on Sept 25, 2007 18:35:50 GMT -5
I find myself distrusting DrainBead but I'm not really sure why. I guess it seems like she's holding back as far as posting content goes. I could easily be way off base, but that's all I have at the moment. On the other side of the coin, I find Sinjin to be leaning town for some reason, and again I could quite easily be off base there too. I am holding off a bit as far as posting content goes, at least toDay. Right now, I'm not sure what to say. Nobody is particularly jumping out to me as scummy. My instincts were so far off yesterDay that I'm not sure what to do at this point. I have minor FOSes on BLAM for obscuring the thread with a ton of math that I think may have put a lot of people off posting, and Hockey in a mainly OMGUS way for trying to smear me as scummy based on a perfectly legitimate language choice (on faulty logic that pygmy pointed out). But that's pretty much it. Not nearly enough to go on at this point. But then I remember that the "enough to go on" we had yesterday ended up resulting in umpteen of us role-claiming. Maybe I should vote based on very little. I don't know.
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Sept 25, 2007 18:42:26 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Sept 25, 2007 18:42:26 GMT -5
How things are worded is relevant, that's true. However, in order for Hockey's theory to hold any water, drainbead using the word "you" to refer to her night killed action going trough would have to have happened after drainbead was already dead. Just so no one has to ask, I'll take this opportunity to confirm that drainbead is not dead.
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Day Two
Sept 25, 2007 18:52:28 GMT -5
Post by whatthefrak on Sept 25, 2007 18:52:28 GMT -5
Dnooman, your avatar is unfair. It makes me trust you more than I should. (Wash makes me drool.)
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Sept 25, 2007 19:31:15 GMT -5
Post by Death By Irony on Sept 25, 2007 19:31:15 GMT -5
I just thought of something...
panamajack, would you be able to provide more details about the nature of your attack at all?
It's not too useful to try to outguess the mod, but I have to wonder if there are any clues in how the people died in determining who killed them. (Explosion suggests SK, bullets suggest mafia or vig.) I guess we'll find out more toMorrow.
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