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Post by Gir! on Oct 3, 2007 17:56:59 GMT -5
Electing not to join in the drunken revelry of the night, one quiet figure departs from the port to enjoy a bit of solitude. A decision that soon reveals itself to be a grave mistake.
As the lone walker returns from his short walk, just as he opens the ship's hatch to return to his quarters, a massive barbed spear erupts out of his chest, and he is lifted up off his feet, struggling fruitlessly, as blood gushes out of his mouth.
His unseen assailant wrenches at the weapon, slicing through flesh and bone, and the victim's body separates along his abdomen, his torso flying off in one direction and his legs in another. The attacker vanishes into the shadows without another sound.
When the port's population awakes at the Dawn, they are shocked and dismayed to find the remains of the past night's murder victim scattered just outside the ship Serenity.
zeriel aka Shepherd Book, a Crewperson, has been killed.
Death scene courtesy of Greedy Smurf.
Day Three will end no later than Thursday, October 11 at 3:30 PM Pacific Time/5:30 PM Central Time.
Still alive atarus BlasterMaster (aka spaceman spiff) dotchan (replaces CaerieD) Captain Klutz CatinaSuit ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies Diomedes Dnooman drain bead FlyingCowofDoom Hal Briston Hockey Monkey Idle Thoughts Mad the Swine mhaye mtgman panamajack Pygmy Rugger Roosh nesta (replaces sinjin) Storyteller whatthefrak Yattara
Dead dotchan (nee Zuma): Lynched Day One - Ramiro: Vanilla Crew diggitcamara: Killed Night Two - Sheng Sanchez: Mason Greedy Smurf: Killed Night Two - The Operative: Serial Killer ui (nee tragic): Lynched Day Two - Badger: Vanilla Crew zeriel: Killed Night Three - Shepherd Book: Vanilla Crew
With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch. Day will end immediately if anyone reaches 12 votes (no countdown, no unvotes will count after 12 is reached). If no one receives 12 votes by Dusk, no lynch will occur.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 3, 2007 18:01:34 GMT -5
And where are all the people demanding that the Day start now?
hmmmm?!
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Post by Merestil Haye on Oct 3, 2007 18:04:25 GMT -5
Probably still recovering in shock at the savagery of the good Shepherd's death.
Alas poor Zeriel we didn't know him well.
Dust to dust, ashes to ashes and all that.
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Post by RoOsh on Oct 3, 2007 18:09:44 GMT -5
Does Dio have any information he could share?
ie: anything USEFUL. Otherwise I suppose you should keep it to yourself.
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Oct 3, 2007 18:12:56 GMT -5
Well, I sure as heck didn't watch Zeriel last night.
But I'm still waiting on decoding my video feed. It might be a bit, Roosh old bean. Patience, lad, patience.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 3, 2007 18:13:22 GMT -5
Zeriel, it seems you have to repeatedly die for your beliefs (M5 co-monk reference, in case anyone doesn't get it).
Rejoice in the big nacho plate in the sky.
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Oct 3, 2007 18:17:01 GMT -5
Bah. I got squadoosh. I'm no good at this Watching business.
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Post by whatthefrak on Oct 3, 2007 18:22:33 GMT -5
Well. Here we are again. Now what?
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Post by Drain Bead on Oct 3, 2007 18:31:12 GMT -5
Okay. So after Night Two, we had two deaths and an attempted killing. Now we get one death. Did anyone get a message that someone tried to off them and failed, like panamajack did before?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 3, 2007 18:36:24 GMT -5
I'm growing steadily suspicious of Dio.
R.I.P. zeriel.
Well, if panamajack is to be believed and there is another killing faction out there, either:
A. It was blocked some way
B. Scum were blocked some way.
C. The Vig failed (due to a percentage)
D. The Vig chose not to kill (dunno if they can do that)
E. Scum chose not to kill (dunno if they can do that)
And there's always F, too, which is: There is no other faction and panama was lying to try to confuse us...but since I'm believing him for now, only A through E seem likely.
D and E I think are the LEAST likely of those, though. And A, B, and C are all about equal, I'd say.
Now to reread Day Two again...but my top suspects are still Drain Bead and HockeyMonkey.
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Oct 3, 2007 18:45:26 GMT -5
I don't blame you Monsieur Niqueuer ... but I've can't give you guys what I don't have: If I got any useful results, I'd share 'em. All I can say is that my results, naturally, will become more and more likely to provide useufl information as the scum pool gets smaller.
Let's not forget Hal's strange happenings on night zero, combined with Panama's from yesterday. I have a hunch that they might be related, perhaps a hallucination/misdirection role? I don't know how useful that'd be, but did anyone find anything strange last night?
In other news, I actually like both of your intended lynch targets. I'm leaning more toward Hockey at the moment, though.
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Post by Drain Bead on Oct 3, 2007 18:59:01 GMT -5
I'm re-reading the thread from yesterDay (and would prefer not to touch even the incomplete Day One with a ten-foot pole), but what's the argument against hockeymonkey? About the only thing that jumped out at me was a weak attempt at attacking me for language, which was early in the Day and seemed like it was an attempt to build on the Idle vote and start a bandwagon on me. But that's OMGUS enough that I want to see why you two have been getting a scummy vibe from hockey.
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Post by Parzival on Oct 3, 2007 19:10:21 GMT -5
R.I.P. zeriel. I guess we really will never hear about how you became a Shepherd.
As Diomedes mentioned, there's also the 'shroom option, Idle. I admit it's further down on the list of probabilities, but we'll have to see if it repeats itself. I certainly believe I was attacked, though.
Nothing happened to me last night, though.
Diomedes - you going to eventually tell us anything that sounds less scummy? Not even "fuzzy screens"?
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Post by Parzival on Oct 3, 2007 19:22:31 GMT -5
Something of note:
whatthefrak (aka Zoe the Bodyguard) is still alive. If she's telling the truth, she'd have been a pretty likely scum target - if they killed her they take out a decent power role, and if they get blocked suspicion falls on her.
That said, it's not unreasonable to suspect her a bit. (Lack of counterclaim is intriguing, though.)
Also, we're down four crew now. We really need to get scum Today.
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Oct 3, 2007 19:27:42 GMT -5
Diomedes - you going to eventually tell us anything that sounds less scummy? Not even "fuzzy screens"? Roosh requested that I not say anything about my investigations if I didn't come up with anything useful. However, I think my goal for right now is to start trying to appease the masses, because my watching skills will, as I said above, become more useful when my potential pool of watchees begins to wain. I strongly considered last night Watching wtf.... I would be able to confirm his special ability, and thereby confirm his roelclaim for the town. I decided that even if I did that, my confirmation wouldn't do anything for my survivability, and wouldn't really give the town as much of a boost as a hit. So I checked out Hockey, as she's highest on my scumdar right now. She slept the whole night through, but as I said about Yatarra, all that means is that she wasn't the one who tore Shepherd Zeriel a new butthole: she could have been in on the planning. The one thing that my investigations -do- say is that Yatarra and Hockey are almost certainly not active town power roles (cf. Roosh's claimed power, a passive power role) I'm going to go through Hockey's posts and come up with a decent argument, but let me say off the top of my head, I keep on seeing Hockey coming into bandwagons, and not posting much in the way of substance. I know I owe her a much better explaination than that, so I'll get to it.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 3, 2007 19:34:45 GMT -5
Something of note: whatthefrak (aka Zoe the Bodyguard) is still alive. If she's telling the truth, she'd have been a pretty likely scum target - if they killed her they take out a decent power role, and if they get blocked suspicion falls on her. That said, it's not unreasonable to suspect her a bit. (Lack of counterclaim is intriguing, though.) Also, we're down four crew now. We really need to get scum Today. FTR, wtr is a manly gay man.
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Post by RoOsh on Oct 3, 2007 19:36:25 GMT -5
I too believe that the Hal message has a [/b]panama[/b] connection.
I remember that Hal said he didn't want to give away too much in what message he was sent, but was it anything similar to being attacked? Or anything close to Panama's message?
Because maybe there is a role that could send a message to others, and he's just being a dick?
In that vein, did any one get a Message last night that's close to EITHER Hal's or Panama's message?
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Post by Hal Briston on Oct 3, 2007 20:33:18 GMT -5
I'd have to think that the visits that panama and I received were from seperate persons, Roosh. My visit was from someone trying to lend assistance, while panama's visit was from someone trying to kill him. That said, it'd still be good to know if anyone had any interesting night experiences.
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Post by whatthefrak on Oct 3, 2007 20:42:18 GMT -5
Something of note: whatthefrak (aka Zoe the Bodyguard) is still alive. If she's telling the truth, she'd have been a pretty likely scum target - if they killed her they take out a decent power role, and if they get blocked suspicion falls on her. That said, it's not unreasonable to suspect her a bit. (Lack of counterclaim is intriguing, though.) Also, we're down four crew now. We really need to get scum Today. FTR, wtr is a manly gay man. I suppose that since it's relative, my manliness could be debated, but Cookies is right. I am a manly gay man, but I don't mind being referred to as a she when referring to my female character. To the point, though. The lack of a counterclaim shouldn't be that intriguing. I'm Zoe Washburne, and I'm as surprised as you, PJ, that I'm still alive. (I guess it's a good thing we got rid of one of the killing roles Night before last.) Dio, I'm disappointed that you didn't watch me last Night.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Oct 3, 2007 21:53:43 GMT -5
How can anyone not think I'm scum now, with BlasterBat yelling that I am in his sig line? I'm acutally a little ticked about that. I haven't killed anyone or conspired to kill anyone. I don't have any power...I'm a nobody in this game. The only thing I can do is increase the Crew's number by 1. That's it. The reason Diomedes didn't see me doing anything is because I don't have anything TO do. I think it was foolish of him to waste the night on me. (But I'm glad I wore my jammies to bed last night, and didn't have anyone over. )No one has brought at valid argument to the table that I am scum. NO ONE! But a whole lot of people have been dropping the idea around every chance they get that I am scum. I am not scum. I am not scum. I AM NOT SCUM! Lynch me if you need to, but you will all be disappointed, and down another crew-aligned member.
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Post by Parzival on Oct 3, 2007 21:54:16 GMT -5
I think the notable thing so far is that two odd things happened to two different people, and with the events of last Night (or non-event) we can't be 100% sure of what actually happened to us.
Obviously if someone else comes along and says they were attacked last Night, I'll feel a little less like I've gone crazy.
Hal, is the information you received confirmable (even by someone's death)? Also, is there some point at which it will be possible for you to divulge it?
Sorry about confusing you with your character, wtf - and by 'intriguing' I mean "a point in your favor, perhaps". I need to stop being so oblique.
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Post by Hal Briston on Oct 3, 2007 22:07:59 GMT -5
Hal, is the information you received confirmable (even by someone's death)? Also, is there some point at which it will be possible for you to divulge it? As long as the mods aren't playing a Bastard Mod game, then I'm quite sure the info is accurate. And yes, it will be divulged at some point. Really, it's not Earth-shattering info. I know I'm playing this close to the vest, but in this particular case, talking too much is much more likely to help scum and hurt town than vice versa.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 3, 2007 22:12:51 GMT -5
I have said twice now, why I find Hockey suspicious. It was in Day Two and once in Day One. But mostly it's this: She has been on most of all the early bandwagons. She, in Day One, felt great about voting a one off vote. She, in Day One, seemed fine with jumping on yet another person just to get them to claim (her words). And if these things weren't enough, I just get a feeling of scum vibe from her. I could be totally off and wrong but I just can't ignore what I observe or feel and the combination of the two. Could it be possible that the person who would have been attacked by the one panama alledges he was attacked by had not failed this time, but was meant to be successful and was blocked by wtf?
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Post by RoOsh on Oct 3, 2007 22:14:22 GMT -5
If its something like you were protected by so-and-so, then yeah, I could totally understand you keeping that close to your vest.
So i guess, I dunno. Keep it until its needed? In case that person is in danger? Maybe you have something that confirms another person? But then again, let that info be known before you end up dead too.... =(
And one final Piece of WIFOM: Just because you know that a certain person is town, doesn't mean that we can trust that YOU are town. A townie could have just as easily sent a message to scum. But that's only something in the back of my mind. That you have info on another player, and I don't really see if that helps You in any sort of way, other than the extra knowledge.
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Post by Zeriel on Oct 3, 2007 22:31:58 GMT -5
Ow! My most of me!
Put me on the sub list, guys. I'm gonna keep following the game and keep my nose out of the other threads for now.
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Post by RoOsh on Oct 3, 2007 22:49:36 GMT -5
As for a quick Glance at Zeriel posts of note to me: This is just a quick listing of all his major posts, and a quick 1-2 line summary. So that way you'll know where to go to look up a certain post by him. I do give my thoughts at the end, but it's small and my own conspiracy thoughts. So expect nothing big. It's more for you guys to use on your own time. DAY ONE: 1. 283- Voted for me on Day 1, wanted me to Name Claim, and disliked my Theory as being nothing new being presented to the town. ~EATEN POSTS ?~ Currently: 1.469 - Unvotes sinjin, and votes Idle thoughts. "Idle's being entirely too glib and too eager to champion people as fellow townies." (nice usage of glib). Reply #726- Unvotes Idle and votes for RamiroChan on "gut feeling time" Reply #776-believes Ramirochan is guilty of a Lynch due to slipups. ~End of Day One Posts by Him~ Day TWO: Reply #74 - Votes for Sinjin :"I'm going to go back to my primary scum candidate from yesterDay, because they're still doing the same scummy fishing expeditions already toDay."// also states "sinjin is at the top of my personal scum list right now for demanding all kinds of information that s/he has no right to, and also for trying to assert control over diomedes' investigations by demanding the reasoning be shown." Reply #86- counters Sinjin's points/retorts, Explains why he's suspicious of her. #144- "I just wanted to pop in here to say *I* understand BlaM's mathemagical rantings. Oh beloved information theory."Reply #196 - FOS on everyone voting for Spaceman Spiff Explains why. Reply #198- replies to Storyteller "The stupid thing about this fight is that you're both right in your own ways. The only point of disagreement is the value of a no-lynch--which I'll reiterate is mathematically worse than any lynch at this stage of a balanced game."Reply #255- I'm inclined to notice Cookies for the slip but not switch my vote yet. Also points out that Mathblaster's theory does break down in one area (11th hour claims) Reply #278 - Explains feelings on Cookies, and on Sinjin. And why he's still voting Sinjin. But then states his feelings on a No Lynch: I will actively shift my vote to anyone who's not claiming a power role in order to secure a lynch, thus putting my voting money where my information-theory mouth is. One thing I learned from M5 is that my gut works a lot better at this than my head does in the later days.Reply #351: Posts he'd vote for WTF based the wanting to lynch dio. Also casts suspicion on CatinaSuit for his role vs. Mathblaster.. Points out he's still VERY pro-lynching anyone over no lynch. Reply #497- Switches vote from Sinjin to WTF. But states he'd be down w/ lynching WTF, Sinjin OR CatinaSuit. His reason for WTF: Whatthefrak's spaztacular play today, with his rapid vote shifts, tend to make me feel like someone who's trying desperately to get something started on a townie--especially the vote on Diomedes.Reply #498: Adds he'd also be down w/ lynching Cookies for her "4/10" slip up. Reply #500: Replies to Ui. Points out his stance: I have a stated policy of not voting based on strategy discussion, and not only are you doing so but you're also making incoherent claimsReply #524: agrees with CatinaSuit's points vs. Ui. Reply #570: Unvotes WTFReply #645: Votes Ui. Based on his previous posts on the matter (500 and 524) Reply #649: Points out to pygmy he wouldn't mind seeing Me ( Roosh) die either. Pygmy's post was Reply #648 about his 4 proposals on what Ui and Roosh could be. Reply #650: Points out that Pygmy's post makes him also even MORE suspicious of Ui. Reply #705: Posts that he's also kinda voting for ui because Ui is patronizing. Reply #706: Mocks Ui's claim that 3-4 people voting for Ui are scum. Reply #736: Points out to Ui that his breadcrumbs are "moldy" if he's a townie. And then he dies. ~~~~~~~~My thoughts?~~~~ Zeriel was a guy with ideas. He let them be known. He was pro-MathBlaster, Pro-Strategy, and VERY Pro-Lynching. He was willing to lynch quite a few people yesterDay (the list went up to 5-6 people), and was quite Anti- Ui and formerly Sinjin for 2 days. (my own Conspiracy thoughts here:)In my mind, he doesn't fit the role of a "lurking player", so I don't think he was a "safe" kill. Because there were plenty of players out there who had been less vocal. And because he was one of the Big anti-Ui people, he could have easily been framed toDay as someone trying to lead votes vs. Ui (Cat and I could be contrived as 2 others that stand out in my mind against Ui.). So Why Did Zeriel Die? It's a WIFOM question, we all know that. But the man was vocal, he was pro-lynching, and he wasn't a "safe" kill in terms of no info being gathered by his death, as he left plenty of information on his thoughts. My guess is maybe they thought he was a power role? Unsure, and won't really pursue it further. This was just to provide a list of his major posts in case if others wanted a quick place to look at them and then be able to look them up. So do with this info as you will.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Oct 3, 2007 23:03:34 GMT -5
OK, you all had to know this was coming:
Be it resolved, this third day of October, 2007, that
Whereas the poster originally known as Blaster Master has made multiple accusations regarding my behavior throughout the game that are demonstrably false...
And whereas in so doing, he has shown a casual disregard for the truth that would be anathema to an actual scum-hunting Crewperson...
And whereas he has continually accused me of misrepresenting his points but has offered no evidence of same...
And whereas he has repeatedly moved the goal posts in an effort to paint my responses to his arguments as inadequate, rather than responding directly to those responses...
And whereas his initial attack on me was based on a very narrow disagreement with strategy, and he made no effort to support his accusations with additional evidence or argument until after I called him on the one-dimensional nature of his attacks – once again suggesting that he was not interested in finding scum so much as finding a target...
And particularly whereas, in spite of his very aggressive position that a no-lynch is a horrible outcome, he spent every last shred of his energy pursuing me even after it became obvious that I would not be a viable candidate for Day Two, put no effort into assessing the leading candidates except as a late-Day afterthought, and did not cast a meaningful vote...
It is my opinion that Blaster Spiffman BatFrezia Master is the living player who is most likely to be scum. Accordingly, I will:
vote Blaster Master
Here I will rest my case unless further clarification is requested. I will now focus my attention on assessing other players, and will make every effort to avoid being drawn into an endless war of words and clogging the board with seven pages of nested quotes. I’ll let the rest of the town decide whether my characterization is accurate.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 4, 2007 0:06:56 GMT -5
"Reply #649: Points out to pygmy he wouldn't mind seeing Me (Roosh) die either. Pygmy's post was Reply #648 about his 4 proposals on what Ui and Roosh could be."
If I don't address this tomorrow, please remind me. I'm about to crash for the night.
Cheers.
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Post by Blaster Master on Oct 4, 2007 2:11:14 GMT -5
OK, you all had to know this was coming: Be it resolved, this third day of October, 2007, thatWhereas the poster originally known as Blaster Master has made multiple accusations regarding my behavior throughout the game that are demonstrably false... And whereas in so doing, he has shown a casual disregard for the truth that would be anathema to an actual scum-hunting Crewperson... And whereas he has continually accused me of misrepresenting his points but has offered no evidence of same... And whereas he has repeatedly moved the goal posts in an effort to paint my responses to his arguments as inadequate, rather than responding directly to those responses... And whereas his initial attack on me was based on a very narrow disagreement with strategy, and he made no effort to support his accusations with additional evidence or argument until after I called him on the one-dimensional nature of his attacks – once again suggesting that he was not interested in finding scum so much as finding a target... And particularly whereas, in spite of his very aggressive position that a no-lynch is a horrible outcome, he spent every last shred of his energy pursuing me even after it became obvious that I would not be a viable candidate for Day Two, put no effort into assessing the leading candidates except as a late-Day afterthought, and did not cast a meaningful vote... It is my opinion that Blaster Spiffman BatFrezia Master is the living player who is most likely to be scum. Accordingly, I will: vote Blaster MasterHere I will rest my case unless further clarification is requested. I will now focus my attention on assessing other players, and will make every effort to avoid being drawn into an endless war of words and clogging the board with seven pages of nested quotes. I’ll let the rest of the town decide whether my characterization is accurate. Again, a COMPLETE misrepresentation of the facts. I won't even bother to address any of the points, save one, because the rest I've already addressed multiple times. The one I will address is my lack of a "meaningful vote" yesterday. Actually, since you fail to remember, I said I didn't find Ui scummy; however, I offered to be the hammering vote. When I saw discussion was going no where, I mentioned I was going to go ahead and vote then BAM! Pygmy Rugger hammers for the second day in a row... interestingly enough RIGHT before you unvoted. He gets a nice boost on my suspicion list, but you're still the scummiest by a long shot. Vote Storyteller
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Post by Captain Klutz on Oct 4, 2007 4:58:10 GMT -5
Blaster/Spiff/Batman/Picard,
Is there any chance of you settling on one name?
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