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Post by JustBeingGinger on May 12, 2011 8:44:41 GMT -5
My response to your suspicions: My responses are with the ******* inside the quote.
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Post by metallicsquink on May 12, 2011 9:06:22 GMT -5
I am still happy with my vote on Archangel. Despite her current medical issues, her response to looking suspicious is that she “always” looks suspicious and to me, that does not excuse scummy behavior. In addition, between her post 145 where she votes for fluiddruid ["Well, thanks for your confession, Fluiddruid. My vote will remain on you, as I've learned from previous games never to trust a PFK. Going back to reread and look for scum too though.], she asks Moley what he thinks of “this” (I’m not sure if she is talking about captain’s vote or the game in general), talks about another game (as it relates to a PFK) and changes her vote to gnarlycharlie to test the voting shenanigans. Her next post (246) is a vote for fluiddruid “for reasons already stated.” That doesn’t look like much scum hunting at all.
As for captain pinkies, he seems to be acting scummy as well. I’m not sure why he cannot be more forthcoming with the information about his vote. And his participation toDay has consisted only of discussing his vote (which ironically has not actually resulting in him telling us everything, i.e., we still don’t know what his penalty is). So in two Days, he has yet to contribute anything of substance to the game and seems to be very content in using his forced vote to avoid participating again toDay. He didn’t vote yesterDay and was forced to vote toDay so we have no idea who he thinks is scummy in this game and that is, well, scummy. All that being said, he seems perfectly capable of getting lynched without my vote.
As for paranoia, I am wondering if he has been the target of some silencing action. If I were scum (I say “scum” because a silencing power seems very anti-town and I cannot imagine this being a town power) and had some ability to silence someone, it might be someone who participated very little yesterDay and therefore would gather even more suspicion on Day 2 if he was still quiet. I’m waiting to see if he will get a penalty vote toMorrow for non-participation. That should tell us if there is some silencing power somewhere in the game.
We still have some players with pretty low post counts (Rysto, MHaye, Meeko, BillMc (although I think he is out of town again), septimus, guiri). And before anyone accuses me of smudging, I will say that after this much discussion, I cannot see any reason to not have more to comment on so yes, it looks scummy to be so quiet in such an active game.
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Post by Renata on May 12, 2011 10:16:16 GMT -5
Captain Pinkies (6,6)*: Special Ed [4], Suburban Plankton [47,198,209], septimus [88], Meeko [156], LightFoot [161, 264], JustBeingGinger [228], Storyteller [269] Archangel (3,3): CatInaSuit [26], metallicsquink [37], Captain Pinkies [90] Fluiddruid (3,2): Archangel [30,203,246], gnarlycharlie [227] Paranoia (1,1): colby11 [176] JustBeingGinger (1,1): Honest Moley [263] colby11 (1,0): gnarlycharlie (0,1): Archangel [203,246] CatInaSuit (0,1): septimus [60,88] Special Ed (0,1): Suburban Plankton [198,209]
With these votes Captain Pinkies will be lynched.
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Post by BillMc on May 12, 2011 10:19:30 GMT -5
It seems idlemafia.com is a blocked domain from China, and proboards.com is only reachable from the hotel, it's blocked by our office's ISP in China. it's strange that folks are suggesting that their is a silencer at work -- since it isnt listed in the role list; and it would be unusual for silencer to be a joat power. But agreed that a silencer is an anti-town power. So if it does exist, then it kinda implies the joat is scum -- a scum joat is pretty powerful. Cap appears to say that he is being forced to vote the way he is, but will not explicitly clarify it. I have played in one game before when the Mod made it clear to the player that they could not say or even hint that their vote had been bought or else there would be a penalty. However in this case he has done more than hint - not just been terribly forthcoming. Given he is the lynch leader, any supposed mod impossed penalty can't be worse than being lynched. As for fluid druid something doesnt add up, it just feels wrong. So that gives us potentially two roles that are tampering with the vote - fluid and whoever bought pinkies vote if truthful. Then we have SP also claiming a voting related role I know why my first vote on Captain Pinkies Today did not count. It was a penalty for my breaking my voting restriction. What follows is a portion of my Role PM: Underlining mine - your role states that if you vote in the first 24hrs it will not count - but that is hardly a penalty as you say in the first paragraph. Indeed, very few of us vote in the first 24hrs, so its not even really a restriction
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Post by Suburban Plankton on May 12, 2011 10:30:20 GMT -5
Then we have SP also claiming a voting related role I know why my first vote on Captain Pinkies Today did not count. It was a penalty for my breaking my voting restriction. What follows is a portion of my Role PM: Underlining mine - your role states that if you vote in the first 24hrs it will not count - but that is hardly a penalty as you say in the first paragraph. Indeed, very few of us vote in the first 24hrs, so its not even really a restriction Perhaps 'penalty' was the wrong word; I suppose I should have said 'consequence'. I agree with you when you say that " Indeed, very few of us vote in the first 24hrs, its not even really a restriction". In fact, that is exactly what I thought when I read the role; I don't subscribe to the 'vote early, vote often' school, so I figured the 'restriction' would be a moot point as far as I was concerned. So I put it out of my mind, and then of course promptly went and violated it. I came forth with my claim because I didn't want the rest of the Day to be spent with people voting, unvoting, and revoting to try to figure out whose votes counted and whose didn't count, when I knew exactly what the issue was (with respect to my uncounted vote). I saw a scenario building where the Day would be 'wasted' due to the discussion focusing almost exclusively on 'voting shenanigans', with a side effect of making Today's voting record completely unusable going forward because of the flood of votes that were likely to be forthcoming. I figured that the damage that had been done up to that point was minimal, and that I could stop things before they got out of hand.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on May 12, 2011 10:43:36 GMT -5
My thoughts on the current lynch leaders... fluiddruid: I think guiri put it pretty well here Would Sister create a 3rd party role that could theoretically win by being lynched on Day 2? That sort of role has to have a non-exclusive wincon or else Sister went to a whole lot of effort for a potentially very short game. Idon't think fluiddruid is telling us the truth, or at least not the complete truth. But I agree with guiri that it seems unlikely that her role would be constructed to allow an exclusive win on Day 2. I think that we can leave her alone for the moment and see how things play out over the next couple Days/Nights. Captain Pinkies: I had been asking myself whether or not my vote on Pinkies was really based on his likely being Scum, or if it was just based on the fact that his play style irritates me to no end, so I want to punish him for that, and then he goes and posts this why should I claim? Also with 6 votes I bet there is a SCUM in there.... As storyteller has already pointed out, the proper responses to those statements are "Because you know full well you will get lynched if you don't" and "True, but the same would likely be true of any six players picked at random". Even if Pinkies hasn't actually read the Day 1 thread to know that ace was lynched almost solely because she didn't claim, he's been around long enough to know that is what is required in this situation. If he is Town, then making a full claim at this point helps his Team, and if his Team wins, he wins. Keeping silent helps no one. His play is decidedly anti-Town Today (and his play Yesterday was certainly not pro-Town), so I am once again comfortable with my vote. Archangel: Looking back over her posts, the one thing that strikes me is her apparent 'flip-flop' on ace Yesterday, and then her vote on fluiddruid Today for ding the same thing. She does attempt to explain herself here As for the rest of it, I was not "happily" on the Ace bandwagon. I was one of the people who argued I thought she was probably town. Then someone, I believe Metallic Squink but I will have to go back and look, reminded me that I was overlooking the possibility she was a third party. I thought that was the most reasonable explanation for her refusal to state her alignment so I voted her. I disagree with her interpretation of fluiddruid's posting on Day 1 (that fd was arguing against an ace lynch and then voted for ace anyway). I also find it interesting that Archangel seems to have a 'thing' for 3rd-parties in this game. She asked in her 3rd post on Day 1 if there might be 3rd Parties in the game (a question which, not surprisingly, has gone unanswered). She then argued that ace must be Town, apparently because she forgot about the possibility of 3rd-parties. Once she was reminded of this, she voted ace, suspecting she was a 3rd-party. She's voting for a claimed 3rd-party ( fluiddruid) Today. So Day 1 she voted ace as a likely 3rd Party. Day 2 she voted fluiddruid, who has claimed 3rd Party, and has since contributed almost nothing. She seems quite content with lynching 'not Scum'. I'm not ready to switch my vote at the moment, but I find her play to be concerning. As for the rest of the Town, I don't have any terribly strong feelings at this point. A few other thought... Paranoia's complete absence Today is troubling, and I will be interested to see what happens Tomorrow should this continue. Honest Moley made quite a few posts early in the day, and then was silent for almost 60 hours. This strikes me as a bit odd after his play on Day 1 when he made a big deal about not being able to post. LightFoot, I understand why you unvoted Pinkies, as your vote on him was only a 'test' to try to figure out the voting shenanigans. Do you have any thoughts on who might be Scum at this point? You've been fairly talkative today, but you don't seem to be offering much in the way of analysis. You've asked a lot of questions, and talked about game mechanics, but aside from a couple questions about fluiddruid's claim early on in the Day, you haven't said much about what's actually going on. What are your thoughts about likely Scum/Town at this point?
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Post by Holy Moley! on May 12, 2011 12:49:24 GMT -5
Honest Moley made quite a few posts early in the day, and then was silent for almost 60 hours. This strikes me as a bit odd after his play on Day 1 when he made a big deal about not being able to post. Actually I had to house-sit for somebody overnight unexpectedly. I didn't have my Idlemafia logins with me where I was. I could read the boards ok, I just couldn't post. Nothing to do with my restriction.
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Post by LightFoot on May 12, 2011 13:03:01 GMT -5
D1 Moley makes a partial claim @ his posting restriction because he was frustrated not being able to post. The ‘yelling’ D1 bothers me still . He didn’t really ‘say’ much while yelling. The entire Day 1 (that Moley was able to post ) MOST of what he said was based on his partial claim and not much about the game itself.
I initially thought it was a prolific poster that called “UNFAIR” when no-one noticed that he wasn’t around. Now D2 the player that was YELLING unfair is not actively helping in the hunt as far as I’m reading. (while catching up I do see that we have some input page 9 so I’ll leave that be for now)
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Rysto whom I nearly forgot was in this game, has not shared much more than observations about other games . And has only posted once this Day (that I saw) NOT an LTL observation I think quality of posts can outweigh quantity but here we have neither
Since no-one sends you a box of chocolates or a stuffed bunny when your team wins, isn’t the whole point of playing , PLAYING?
We’ve seen some partial claims (some VERY partial) and there are bits left out of all of them.
I get the impression that many players are letting them stay in game until they have enough ‘rope’ to lynch them.
Honest Moley see above .
Captain Pinkies claims to have had his vote forced but is not sharing much detail
fluiddriud has me flummoxed (and I agree can be given some ‘rope’) parts of the claim will have to be proven in the Days/Nights ahead
Surburban Plankton on its face the part we can read seems plausible (but we know there’s more)
I am not voting in this post, but I will vote. Rysto is current leading.
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Post by septimus on May 12, 2011 13:53:15 GMT -5
First: Thank you, metallicsquink for encouraging me to post more! I assumed most Players wanted me to post less. As usual, I find it easier to sense Town-tells than Scum-tells. I have weak suspicions about the people who were weakly suspicious of Honest Moley, but don't sense a lot of other Scum tells. (@ Moley - you're more aware of this than others, would you please comment on which of the Moley smudgers seem most suspicious?) (And, BTW, I empathize with Moley if he complains about the post restriction but posts relatively little when it's lifted. I would certainly resent to be barred from speech even if I had nothing to say. ;D ) Unlike others, I see no reason for confusion about the extra vote on fluid. He's likely to actually have the 3rd-party wincon he claims, and either voted for himself last Night (and, logically, lied about it) or (less likely) defaults to a self-vote when he neglects to PM the Mod. Either way, let's let him live for a while, and see if he indeed cooperates. (We should be alert to a PFK trick, but there is no evident immediate threat.) Since no posters have clear scum-tells, it's logical to look among Lurkers for Scum. I think experience shows that many Scum will try to hide by posting infrequently. Like squink, I will look for Scum among the infrequent posters. I really don't know whether Pinkies is Town, Scum, 3P, or PFK, but his play seems anti-Town and I intend to keep my vote on him until he is more forthcoming.
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Post by Colby11 on May 12, 2011 13:54:20 GMT -5
Well, since I am going to be night killed on Night 2 (due to the trend that I always die at night the first chance that SCUM get to night kill) I'm going to go through everyone and put down my thoughts about everyone. This may take awhile, since I didn't take notes on Day 1
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Post by Rysto on May 12, 2011 14:06:08 GMT -5
I really don't know whether Pinkies is Town, Scum, 3P, or PFK, but his play seems anti-Town and I intend to keep my vote on him until he is more forthcoming. Oh God, I really, really don't have the energy to do this again, because nobody ever listens to me on this. Get this through your heads, people. Anti-town is not equivalent to pro-scum. What Pinkies has done today was unhelpful to Town, but it's also unhelpful to himself. Look at the votes that he has piled up because he hasn't been forthcoming. How would it benefit a hypothetical scummy Pinkies to act as he has toDay? Seriously, are we ever going to stop lynching people because they annoy us? It rarely ends well. @lightfoot: I see your complaint, and I am sorry for my lack of participation. I'm being hit by a double whammy of having little time to devote to the game along with few posts that have stuck out to me as being worthy of comment. I know full well that you all need to see content out of me in order to evaluate my alignment, and I will do my best to provide you all with that.
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Post by Holy Moley! on May 12, 2011 14:20:04 GMT -5
D1 Moley makes a partial claim @ his posting restriction because he was frustrated not being able to post. The ‘yelling’ D1 bothers me still . He didn’t really ‘say’ much while yelling. The entire Day 1 (that Moley was able to post ) MOST of what he said was based on his partial claim and not much about the game itself. I also said I thought Ace might not be scum. Then as the day went on I said Ace probably wasn't scum. Then at the end I said Ace was almost CERTAINLY not scum. Maybe I was yelling about the wrong thing? I proposed three possible suspects, based on the reactions to both Ace and my claim. Two of those still stand and I'm voting for one of them. Incidentally, although I've responded to several cases posted on Days one and two, I notice nobody has responded to my case on Ginger, except in part Ginger herself. I especially find it interesting that nobody has taken up my point about Ginger's post regarding possible negative repercussions for people using my name, while she herself was using it. She hasn't addressed that point and neither has anybody else. Nobody sees anything seriously screwy about it? Oh, and for the record, I didn't claim "Unfair" to the people in the game. I claimed it to the mod after I hadn't been able to participate for two and a half days, and SHE AGREED and gave me a temporary reprieve. I don't think you can justifiably complain that someone says a particular aspect of a game is unfair, when the person who designed the game agreed with them! And also for the record, I wasn't frustrated about my post restriction. I think it's most accurate to say that I was frustrated I didn't have an immediate day-killing power, preferably involving lightning bolts, especially after some of the "helpful" reactions to my claim ("Woo! Moley should have stayed silent for the whole day, that way we'd KNOW he has a post restriction, which would be incredibly useful information to have!") But that's par for the course with me just about any time I play a game like this. (Ok, I was kidding a bit there, but remember that a lot of the characters in the books were pretty much insane - eating each other, drugging each other, chopping each others' heads off. I could be any one of a dozen murderous psychopaths; which, combined with the whole weird maths geek thing, suits my bloodthirsty temperament just fine, thanks!)
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Post by septimus on May 12, 2011 14:28:54 GMT -5
Oh God, I really, really don't have the energy to do this again, because nobody ever listens to me on this. Get this through your heads, people. Anti-town is not equivalent to pro-scum. So if I find two players equally suspicious and one is playing pro-Town and the other anti-Town, I should vote the pro-Town player? Or perhaps, if it's anti-Town to vote the anti-Town player, I should move my vote to myself? And, BTW, even if Pinkies is, after all, Town, his vote is being controlled. Is that good for Town? Shouldn't we discuss that fact, and its ramifications, preferably with Pinkies' help?
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Post by storyteller0910 on May 12, 2011 14:28:45 GMT -5
I really don't know whether Pinkies is Town, Scum, 3P, or PFK, but his play seems anti-Town and I intend to keep my vote on him until he is more forthcoming. Oh God, I really, really don't have the energy to do this again, because nobody ever listens to me on this. Get this through your heads, people. Anti-town is not equivalent to pro-scum. What Pinkies has done today was unhelpful to Town, but it's also unhelpful to himself. Look at the votes that he has piled up because he hasn't been forthcoming. How would it benefit a hypothetical scummy Pinkies to act as he has toDay? Seriously, are we ever going to stop lynching people because they annoy us? It rarely ends well. Hang on just one consarned minute there. I'm usually right at the head of the chorus agreeing with you, but not in this case. There comes a point where deliberate anti-Town behavior crosses a line where it can no longer be tolerated by a Town. What Pinkies has done toDay is absolutely consistent with what Scum would do (indeed, what I myself would do as Scum) if suspicion falls on them - withhold as much information as possible, toss off a few bits and pieces of information to make it look like there's something worth protecting, hope to sow seeds of doubt among well-intentioned folks like you (or like you're pretending to be, depending ;D), hold off on claiming until a claim would cause total chaos. The only thing left would be a Cop claim with an hour left to complete the "Exactly How Scum Would Handle The Situation" Bingo card. Nothing about what Pinkies has done toDay even vaguely resembles How Town Would Handle the Situation. Town would have claimed ages ago. Town would be concerned with getting as much information out as is feasible, or offering some kind of argument why they are not. Could Pinkies be Town, behaving in exactly the way Scum would behave instead of the way Town would behave for reasons known only to him? Absolutely. But his actions cannot be allowed to stand, for the simple reason that if doing What Scum Would Do instead of What Town Would Do (your definitions of these things, of course, might vary) is not sufficient reason for a lynch, then we might as well just choose targets at random.
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Post by Colby11 on May 12, 2011 14:34:46 GMT -5
okay, after trying to work on my analysis.... I gave myself a headache and realized that I couldn't really do it...
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Post by Holy Moley! on May 12, 2011 15:02:38 GMT -5
As usual, I find it easier to sense Town-tells than Scum-tells. I have weak suspicions about the people who were weakly suspicious of Honest Moley, but don't sense a lot of other Scum tells. (@ Moley - you're more aware of this than others, would you please comment on which of the Moley smudgers seem most suspicious?) I sort of already have - I've got BillMC on the back burner for the moment, although I didn't like his attitude towards me at the end of the day yesterday I find it difficult to detect anything in it that screams "scum" more than "townie who I disagree with". Same with Squink, although I think he's been more forthcoming generally. My vote's on Ginger currently (and, I have to say, will probably stay there unless something untowards happens.) She's responded to my post but I'm not convinced. I would like to say I agree with Rysto on the pro-town vs anti-town comparison. Scum know how to appear pro-town. You can't equate "looks pro-town" with "is town". Again, going back to the Smash Brothers game, as I pointed out way back when, the four most obviously anti-town people in the game actually were town. Septimus, I agree with the point about vote control. But at the moment it's ONE VOTE. I absolutely agree with you that this needs to be discussed. And we need Pinkles to say exactly what the situation is. But if he's not scum, we're wasting the most important weapon we have against the real scum. Is he scum? At this point I somehow doubt it, unless the other scum have given up on him (which is certainly possible) - the objections to his lynch don't seem to have gained traction or become a serious alternative bandwagon. That worries me more than his lack of claim right now because I think we're about to repeat the Ace lynch. And finally I agree with Storyteller on Angel but not on Pinkles, for reasons I think I've gone into in enough detail.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on May 12, 2011 15:07:55 GMT -5
I especially find it interesting that nobody has taken up my point about Ginger's post regarding possible negative repercussions for people using my name, while she herself was using it. She hasn't addressed that point and neither has anybody else. Nobody sees anything seriously screwy about it? I have addressed this in my response to your post. SEE BELOW: ************************************************** Snipped from Honest Moley Thirdly, there's your comment on my post restriction, which I've gone into. It's obviously ill-thought-out. More obviously though, if you really believe that mentioning somebody's name could be dangerous - which is bizarre enough in itself; how are people supposed to discuss me or vote me if so? - then I wouldn't expect you, in pointing this out, to mention their name yourself twice in the same post. That says to me that you don't really believe what you're suggesting is plausible. My response: ****** This is my 3rd game with playing with roles. This is my first game with playing with some of the variations to those roles. It is all overwhelming when you are trying to learn the game with everyone in here. I want to contribute to some of the theories and learn how to logically think how the role can work and think outside the box on how it could possibly work as well. This is why you see my ill-thought out notions that may not have rash thinking in it. Some players in here have had so many games under their belt that they have seen things in play that I have not. ************************************************** Have I mentioned this theory of mine since then, no. You responded back to me with how ill-thought my idea was, I somewhat agree with you and never mentioned it again. You act as if I am pushing the issue on you...
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Post by LightFoot on May 12, 2011 15:22:59 GMT -5
I also said I thought Ace might not be scum. Then as the day went on I said Ace probably wasn't scum. Then at the end I said Ace was almost CERTAINLY not scum. Maybe I was yelling about the wrong thing? I proposed three possible suspects, based on the reactions to both Ace and my claim. Two of those still stand and I'm voting for one of them. Incidentally, although I've responded to several cases posted on Days one and two, I notice nobody has responded to my case on Ginger, except in part Ginger herself. I said MOST What would you have one say? It was a “what if” that occurred to one player. I do recall seeing the word unfair atleast once in LARGE letters from you What was that again? You went to the mod to have it changed YOU WERE FRUSTRATED (and probably unsettled that no-one missed you yet) I'm not throwing rocks at you, just trying to keep you honest.
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Post by LightFoot on May 12, 2011 15:24:58 GMT -5
okay, after trying to work on my analysis.... I gave myself a headache and realized that I couldn't really do it... So are you just going to vote yourself? If you get in the game you will be more likely to stay in the game.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on May 12, 2011 15:26:03 GMT -5
I could be any one of a dozen murderous psychopaths; which, combined with the whole weird maths geek thing, suits my bloodthirsty temperament just fine, thanks!) So you're claiming Serial Killer, then? ;D
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Post by special on May 12, 2011 15:27:58 GMT -5
I really don't know whether Pinkies is Town, Scum, 3P, or PFK, but his play seems anti-Town and I intend to keep my vote on him until he is more forthcoming. Oh God, I really, really don't have the energy to do this again, because nobody ever listens to me on this. Get this through your heads, people. Anti-town is not equivalent to pro-scum. What Pinkies has done today was unhelpful to Town, but it's also unhelpful to himself. Look at the votes that he has piled up because he hasn't been forthcoming. How would it benefit a hypothetical scummy Pinkies to act as he has toDay? I would agree with this if it weren't Pinkies. I can't remember him ever claiming successfully as Scum. He truly botched his claim in Scooby Doo. He might be a little gunshy to claim at this point. In fact, in that game, he was hesitant before he botched it and took much the same approach as he neared the gallows.
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Post by special on May 12, 2011 15:30:04 GMT -5
okay, after trying to work on my analysis.... I gave myself a headache and realized that I couldn't really do it... well, that was helpful
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Post by Holy Moley! on May 12, 2011 15:31:06 GMT -5
What was that again? You went to the mod to have it changed YOU WERE FRUSTRATED (and probably unsettled that no-one missed you yet) I'm not throwing rocks at you, just trying to keep you honest. Again, I was frustrated at the REACTION to my post restriction, not at the restriction itself. Specifically at the fact that three people agreed with the insanely stupid idea that I should stay quiet the entire day to prove that I didn't get a penalty.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on May 12, 2011 15:32:19 GMT -5
I really don't know whether Pinkies is Town, Scum, 3P, or PFK, but his play seems anti-Town and I intend to keep my vote on him until he is more forthcoming. Oh God, I really, really don't have the energy to do this again, because nobody ever listens to me on this. Get this through your heads, people. Anti-town is not equivalent to pro-scum. What Pinkies has done today was unhelpful to Town, but it's also unhelpful to himself. Look at the votes that he has piled up because he hasn't been forthcoming. How would it benefit a hypothetical scummy Pinkies to act as he has toDay? Seriously, are we ever going to stop lynching people because they annoy us? It rarely ends well. Do you have an alternate target to suggest?
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Post by metallicsquink on May 12, 2011 15:54:16 GMT -5
okay, after trying to work on my analysis.... I gave myself a headache and realized that I couldn't really do it... You've given up after only 30 minutes? @ Honest Moley: I'm a she.
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Post by special on May 12, 2011 16:00:54 GMT -5
Well, since I am going to be night killed on Night 2 (due to the trend that I always die at night the first chance that SCUM get to night kill) I'm going to go through everyone and put down my thoughts about everyone. This may take awhile, since I didn't take notes on Day 1 Underlining mine um, do you think the Scum didn't get to NK last Night? I kinda felt like they probably did but failed for some reason.
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Post by Renata on May 12, 2011 16:08:14 GMT -5
Current vote count:
Captain Pinkies (6,6)*: Special Ed [4], Suburban Plankton [47,198,209], septimus [88], Meeko [156], LightFoot [161, 264], JustBeingGinger [228], Storyteller [269] Archangel (3,3): CatInaSuit [26], metallicsquink [37], Captain Pinkies [90] Fluiddruid (3,2): Archangel [30,203,246], gnarlycharlie [227] Paranoia (1,1): colby11 [176] JustBeingGinger (1,1): Honest Moley [263] colby11 (1,0): gnarlycharlie (0,1): Archangel [203,246] CatInaSuit (0,1): septimus [60,88] Special Ed (0,1): Suburban Plankton [198,209]
With these votes Captain Pinkies will be lynched.
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Post by Rysto on May 12, 2011 16:08:19 GMT -5
Oh God, I really, really don't have the energy to do this again, because nobody ever listens to me on this. Get this through your heads, people. Anti-town is not equivalent to pro-scum. So if I find two players equally suspicious and one is playing pro-Town and the other anti-Town, I should vote the pro-Town player? Or perhaps, if it's anti-Town to vote the anti-Town player, I should move my vote to myself? Perhaps I just missed it, but I didn't see you list any reasons for being suspicious of Pinkies other than "he's acting anti-Town", which is what set me off. @story: I officially acknowledge your argument, and I'm going to start thinking about that.
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Post by Merestil Haye on May 12, 2011 16:29:25 GMT -5
Oh God, I really, really don't have the energy to do this again, because nobody ever listens to me on this. Get this through your heads, people. Anti-town is not equivalent to pro-scum. What Pinkies has done today was unhelpful to Town, but it's also unhelpful to himself. Look at the votes that he has piled up because he hasn't been forthcoming. How would it benefit a hypothetical scummy Pinkies to act as he has toDay? I would agree with this if it weren't Pinkies. I can't remember him ever claiming successfully as Scum. He truly botched his claim in Scooby Doo. Alien Taste. He was, iirc, either the head Templar or the second in command. He claimed with a somewhat-modified PM. We should have known it was a lie, because quoting PMs was against the rules, but he didn't get punished - therefore giving away the fact that it had been rewritten or modified. (Lynching him might have cleared up for Town that the Temple were the Mafia in that game.) You make a good point. He was similarly hesitant in claiming in Alien Taste. Captain, to give my answer to the question you asked earlier. How does you claiming in this situation help Town? The Town need information - as much as they can get. A Town player who is about to be lynched can do no better service for his side than to make a full claim, laying out all their actions and reasons. That way, when you are dead, we have everything you knew plus the knowledge that you weren't trying to mislead us. There are some things that you might reasonably leave out in some circumstances, but you should lay out what you know and what you suspect for us (and also make the difference clear.) Your refusal to claim makes it look as if you are not Town. Please claim.
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Post by Sister Coyote on May 12, 2011 16:49:19 GMT -5
Paranoia has asked to be subbed out. I am seeking a replacement.
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