Meeko
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Day 9
Aug 27, 2011 23:13:25 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Aug 27, 2011 23:13:25 GMT -5
Moodymitchy has died.
Mitchy was a Procyon Lotor, better known as a North American Raccoon.
Mitchy was town mason.
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But again, we all knew that, right?
---------------------------------------------------------- It is now Day 9. Night 9 begins 12:01 am on 9/2/11
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Day 9
Aug 28, 2011 5:35:46 GMT -5
Post by gnarlycharlie on Aug 28, 2011 5:35:46 GMT -5
not much else to do.
Vote Storyteller
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Inner Stickler, you're wanted at the Dope. you're still alive in the De'endee game.
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Day 9
Aug 29, 2011 17:30:30 GMT -5
Post by special on Aug 29, 2011 17:30:30 GMT -5
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Day 9
Aug 29, 2011 17:30:56 GMT -5
Post by special on Aug 29, 2011 17:30:56 GMT -5
hmm, apparently animated gifs don't work in image tags
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Day 9
Aug 29, 2011 20:07:52 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 29, 2011 20:07:52 GMT -5
OK. Well.
outrun gnarlycharly
Game's up to you, Archangel. All I can say is, step back and look at the whole thing again without any preconceptions. charly got through an entire game entirely un-noticed, unpursued by anyone, Town or Scum, until I noticed him two Days ago. He's coasted on the strength of voting for fellow Scum early in the game, and I give him credit for that - but the Scum motivation for doing that shows in the ease with which he has made it to endgame.
He was, as far as I can tell, absent from this board for all of the Night before last (the Night when no kill occurred).
And finally, I'll fall back on one last meta argument: had I been Scum, I'd have asked for a replacement when real-life circumstances limited my participation. I did not in this game, because I figured one random vanilla Townie failing to participate couldn't hurt the game overall all that badly. (And if you now vote for me and Scum win, I will turn out to have been dramatically wrong, huh?).
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Day 9
Aug 29, 2011 21:40:18 GMT -5
Post by Archangel on Aug 29, 2011 21:40:18 GMT -5
I truly don't know what to do here, and don't like this leaning on me, especially since I didn't want to vote SP.
I know the game is winding down but I think the last scum is more likely to be here trying to convince me to vote wrong than being away. Especially when I'm famous for flip-flopping. I have problems with GnarlyCharlie too (in this game) but the "if you now vote for me and Scum win" sounds really scummy.
If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. Truly I was terrible this game.
But:
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Day 9
Aug 29, 2011 21:41:03 GMT -5
Post by Archangel on Aug 29, 2011 21:41:03 GMT -5
Sorry, did quick reply rather than reply.
Outrun Storyteller.
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Day 9
Aug 29, 2011 21:41:25 GMT -5
Post by Archangel on Aug 29, 2011 21:41:25 GMT -5
(Mostly gut, but my gut is significantly better than my analysis.)
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Day 9
Aug 29, 2011 22:31:44 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 29, 2011 22:31:44 GMT -5
I know the game is winding down but I think the last scum is more likely to be here trying to convince me to vote wrong than being away. ARE YOU SERIOUS WITH THIS?!?!?!?!?!?! You're content to throw away the game because I'm in here trying and charly is not? Have you somehow internalized some idea that Scum really want to win but Town do not? I'm here trying to convince you because I want to win the game. HOW IS THIS SCUMMY? Oh, FOR THE LOVE OF MIKE. It only sounds Scummy if you presuppose that I am Scum. If you presuppose that I am Town, then it is the truth! If you vote for me, the Scum win. You're wrong. But don't be sorry. There is still time; think it through. At least consider my arguments, instead of just condemning me on the basis of the fact that I made them.
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Day 9
Aug 29, 2011 22:33:04 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 29, 2011 22:33:04 GMT -5
I mean, really, do you honestly think that, as Scum, I was that nonparticipatory for that long? I'd have asked for a sub!
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Day 9
Aug 29, 2011 22:38:33 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 29, 2011 22:38:33 GMT -5
Sorry for the triple post; I'm a little worked up here :-)
Consider it this way. You have said that you think Scum would be more likely to be in here talking things through. Why do you think this? I think, if anything, the opposite:
Remember, as Town I know that if you consider all the evidence, it is to my advantage.
As Scum, charly benefits from less evidence on the table, not more. He knows that the more you consider the course of the game, the worse it will look for him - because he is in fact guilty and I am not. It is to his benefit to have you make a quick, "gut" decision because the closer you look, the more likely you will figure things out.
Thus he posts a quick vote, offers no discussion, and hopes you will follow suit, voting as thoughtlessly as he has.
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Day 9
Aug 29, 2011 23:08:20 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Aug 29, 2011 23:08:20 GMT -5
Storyteller (2):Gnarlycharlie, Archangel Gnarlycharlie (1): Storyteller
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Day 9
Aug 30, 2011 10:04:49 GMT -5
Post by gnarlycharlie on Aug 30, 2011 10:04:49 GMT -5
first of all, i had a quick vote because there isn't anyone else to vote for. i certainly won't vote for Archangel.
if there was a lack of discussion, it's simply because there was no one to talk to here. i posted six hours after the start of the Day but no one had posted yet. the next time someone posted was 12 hours later and it wasn't even by a living player.
now that people have posted i'm quite willing to discuss. first, i don't see how being unnoticed or unpursued means i'm scum. it has happened before with both scum and town.
second, i was around during the night there was no NK. i just didn't post. i was both on GB and the Dope, especially the latter. i think that would be easy enough to check. furthermore, the same can be said of you. you didn't post either the Night there was no NK.
finally, i haven't played with you often enough to say whether you would have subbed out if you were scum. i will say though that one scum strategy is to lay low for most of the game.
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Day 9
Aug 30, 2011 10:08:28 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 30, 2011 10:08:28 GMT -5
Actually, I don't want to get too into the whole meta argument. I kind of regret making it, because while it's true, it's also a little bit out of bounds. I don't really want to put Archangel in the position of having to guess at my Mafia ethics, you know? I withdraw that portion of the argument.
The rest still stands.
I am curious why you decided not to kill that Night, assuming that you are being truthful and were around. When the game is over, hopefully you'll share.
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Day 9
Aug 30, 2011 17:10:11 GMT -5
Post by Archangel on Aug 30, 2011 17:10:11 GMT -5
Okay. I went and checked Giraffe. Charlie posted at least 3 times during the night there was no vote. His is NOT the type to forget to put in a night-kill if he weren't totally offline. So I'm happy with my vote.
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Day 9
Aug 30, 2011 17:11:04 GMT -5
Post by Archangel on Aug 30, 2011 17:11:04 GMT -5
Okay. I went and checked Giraffe. Charlie posted at least 3 times during the night there was no vote. His is NOT the type to forget to put in a night-kill if he weren't totally offline. So I'm happy with my vote. That second sentence should say "the night there was no NK."
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Day 9
Aug 30, 2011 17:26:39 GMT -5
Post by Archangel on Aug 30, 2011 17:26:39 GMT -5
Also, I had announced I would vote with Mitchy because I could trust his motives. Mitchy appears to have been more suspicious of Charlie than you.
Every single thing I have here is WiFoM, but you sound like scum who is pissed because he would have won if he hadn't missed the deadline. I have played scum with Charlie before. He stayed up until 4 am when he had to drive his wife and baby somewhere early in the am to try to clinch the win for us (lost by posting a second or two too late).
I simply do not seeCharlie not putting an NK order in. So my decision stands. If I'm wrong I will wholeheartedly apologize to you at the end.
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Day 9
Aug 30, 2011 18:51:25 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 30, 2011 18:51:25 GMT -5
It's going to bother me until I die that this game is going to be lost (by you and me both) because I actually tried and you viewed that as Scummy. That sucks.
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Day 9
Aug 30, 2011 18:52:03 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 30, 2011 18:52:03 GMT -5
Augh, no wonder we can't get any end game participation. Much "Townier" to do what charly did, and just not try, right?
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Day 9
Aug 31, 2011 9:09:40 GMT -5
Post by Archangel on Aug 31, 2011 9:09:40 GMT -5
That's not a fair characterization at all. That was my initial gut, yes, but I truly listened to everything you said and went back and looked at all of it. As I said to you before, I have problems with GnarlyCharlie too. I have many points on you and I have slightly fewer points on him too. If there were another person alive I'd be convinced that you both were the remaining scum.
But, most of the points are WiFoM for both of you. I am not voting for you for trying (that was just the first point I thought to put down). I applaud you for trying, town or scum.
I am voting for you because my strongest point is that I cannot see a scenario in which GnarlyCharlie is online, close to a win, and fails to put in an NK.
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Day 9
Aug 31, 2011 10:46:02 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 31, 2011 10:46:02 GMT -5
Ah, well. So it goes. Had you played with me enough in the past - and particularly played with me as Scum - you'd know that the same goes double for me.
Congratulations to the Scum. Well-earned, especially by charly.
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Day 9
Sept 1, 2011 3:20:46 GMT -5
Post by gnarlycharlie on Sept 1, 2011 3:20:46 GMT -5
i also think that there will be an interesting discussion after the game but you will be the one explaining to us why there was no NK.
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Day 9
Sept 1, 2011 8:57:55 GMT -5
Post by Archangel on Sept 1, 2011 8:57:55 GMT -5
Anyone else notice that Meeko says "Night 9 will begin on September 2..." It could just be a turn of phrase, but it reads like we're not at Lylo.
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Day 9
Sept 1, 2011 13:45:41 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Sept 1, 2011 13:45:41 GMT -5
Technically, charly will have to kill you (on Night 9) in order to end the game.
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Day 9
Sept 1, 2011 23:01:51 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Sept 1, 2011 23:01:51 GMT -5
Day 9 has ended.
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Day 9
Sept 1, 2011 23:14:26 GMT -5
Post by special on Sept 1, 2011 23:14:26 GMT -5
Very subtle with the reveal.
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Day 9
Sept 1, 2011 23:18:13 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Sept 1, 2011 23:18:13 GMT -5
Very subtle with the reveal. Sorry, I'm too busy washing my hands of the entire episode to care.
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