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Post by peekercpa on Sept 20, 2011 18:49:28 GMT -5
ok, i think i finally understand the fracking lingo in the game. so the mpp starts off with a list and those folks are "sampled" but until their turn in the order shows up they are not "recruited". so the td knows whenever but the psychoanalysis only knows when their turn in the order comes up. so at this point we know that noone has been sampled. that means there are at least two recruits unless the scum team was laughably set at two folks. the mpp and a recruit. now dirx may have gotten lucky and innocluated someone but shit that just means they pod out toNight. and i can't see that there would be more than three recruits/samples/whatthefuckever. so that means unless we lynch a recruit or sample toDay scum are at full strength. and while i am loathe to tell power roles what to do if the td has got two results alive they should fracking claim. the sherrif protects and they get another result. if the td gets killed the sherrif goes up in flames immediately. sorry skeez them's the breaks. and then the td announces who they are looking at before Day end and the psychoanlyis just goes somewhere else since at this point all pods are either sampled or recruited. reports come in the following morning we either kill another pod or have a totally confirmed at that point. the next Night scum kill off the td and the psychoanlysis gets another read.
thoughts?
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 20, 2011 18:51:54 GMT -5
I don't immediately see any problems with this plan, peeker, except that it kind of make sense to me and I find that worrisome.
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Post by peekercpa on Sept 20, 2011 18:59:02 GMT -5
I'm off to bed and hope I din't get podded and who ever think they are podded, well they will have to choose. I',m trashed and I don't think I is podded, but what do I know? fuck, you are sleeping until 7 p.m. tomorrow? fuck, talk about a long winter's nap and it ain't even winter. crap i feel all loggy and shit if i get 9 hours of sleep. if i slept for 24 hours i'd feel, i don't know - poddy and shit.
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Post by peekercpa on Sept 20, 2011 19:00:07 GMT -5
I don't immediately see any problems with this plan, peeker, except that it kind of make sense to me and I find that worrisome. and i find that sentiment worrisome, as well.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 20, 2011 19:33:33 GMT -5
Well, just that I usually have to read through a wall of text from you two or three times before it starts to parse correctly. This one was perfectly clear from the get-go.
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Post by peekercpa on Sept 20, 2011 19:36:21 GMT -5
so Day ends in 24 hours. and not one vote as near as i can tell. but since noone is posting it's kind of a bitch kitty to do anything. gonna put it down on the person i think likeliest, not that there are a fuck load of shit to go off of.
vote texcat.
that's my story and i am sticking to it.
and if our power roles have wandered off into drunken oblivion which i have been know to do. no problemo. i would also have no problem with a sliver lynch but that is sub optimal at this point.
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Post by peekercpa on Sept 20, 2011 19:37:34 GMT -5
fuck me in the ear.
vote texcat
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Post by peekercpa on Sept 20, 2011 22:06:51 GMT -5
Well, just that I usually have to read through a wall of text from you two or three times before it starts to parse correctly. This one was perfectly clear from the get-go. well since my latest return i have been trying to be more sensitive to being part of the pack as opposed to a lone wolf, so to speak. aaaaawwwwwwwoooooooooooo.
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Post by texcat on Sept 20, 2011 22:56:49 GMT -5
I thought we had closer to 48 hours until EOD. I don't immediately see any problems with this plan, peeker, except that it kind of make sense to me and I find that worrisome. This is worrisome in more ways than one. Did it really make sense to you? And you really don't see any problems? The drunk and the shrink should have a result on RedSk, and they should have one more result, presumably another townie result on someone. If they got a scum result on someone, then I would agree with the claim toDay, but one townie result hardly seems worth it to me, especially since we won't have a clear townie unless they both investigated the same person again and they both claim. The drunk can only tell us whether someone might be a future pod, but can't tell us if they've already been podded. The shrink seems even less valuable, only able to tell us if someone has already been podded, but after another night the town result becomes useless. It seems to me their results are really only valuable when they hit a pod. The pods have been remarkably good so far in picking off our power roles; I'd hate to give up the drunk or the shrink so early in the game for so little return. Guiri and Drain voted each other yesterDay. Where do you two stand toDay? Sinjin was suspicious of Inner enough on Day 1 to vote him, although she forgot to unvote peeker first. YesterDay, she voted Paranoia. Sinjin, what happened to your suspicions on Inner? And are you still suspicious of Paranoia?
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Post by Deni on Sept 20, 2011 23:03:35 GMT -5
Hey, sorry I missed SOD, I ended with health issues(asthma) and a hospital stay. I am fine but am weary and will be back tomorrow to read through things. Only read that Dirx is gone but don't have the energy to process information, I should be feeling better tomorrow.
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Post by guiri on Sept 21, 2011 6:57:46 GMT -5
But that doesn't mean peek, deni, or PolluxO couldn't have been the N2 recruit, so let's not go assuming they're cleared. Of course not, I suggested that they were less likely to be the N1 recruit, not that they are cleared. In seriousness, though. Inner's vote on Silver Jan to save himself is a lot of WIFOM at this point. I can see the MPP sacrificing someone he planned to recruit to gain some cred. So I don't think his vote clears Jan one way or the other. She's not cleared, Inner could have been bussing her, but given his stated willingness to lynch her D1 to save Red, the possibility of a failed recruit attempt, and the unknown number of total recruits, I'm inclined to look at the remaining players to find the N1 recruit first and loop back to SilverJan and his D2 voters later. Well, just that I usually have to read through a wall of text from you two or three times before it starts to parse correctly. This one was perfectly clear from the get-go. My re-interpretation of Peeker's suggestion: He suspects that there are 3 sampled players in total. Even if Dirx managed to use his power last Night, by N4 all poddable recruits will have been podded. So, by N4, the Town Drunk will no longer be able to find any sampled players. There's a risk of getting NK'd before sharing any results so the TD should claim toDay, get protected by the Sheriff toNight and get one final investigation result. Tomorrow, D4, their role is no longer valuable and they can be left for the scum to kill. With the scum busy killing the Doc and TD, the Psychoanalyst should get two more results, possibly confirming the TD's negative results, and claim D5 with results. Is that how you parsed it? I don't immediately see any problems with this plan, peeker, except that it kind of make sense to me and I find that worrisome. Drawbacks: - There may be more than 3 sampled players - Scum may get lucky and kill the shrink toNight or toMorrow Night - The TD's results are only useful when they find a sampled player, negative results need double confirmation by the Psychoanalyst on the same Night or after the TD's results - The Psychoanalyst is recruitable - The TD is our only remaining unrecruitable role Guiri and Drain voted each other yesterDay. Where do you two stand toDay? I'm working on it, Dirx' reveal slightly undermines an element of my case while Inner's reveal reinforces it. I still think there was a change in her approach to the game D2 compared to D1 but I'm looking at others too in light of Inner's reveal.
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Post by peekercpa on Sept 21, 2011 7:11:36 GMT -5
see and the way i was reading the td power is that he gets a result whether someone is merely in the sampling stage or if they have progressed to the recruited stage since they would have had to have been sampled to end up being recruited. what say you mod?
i put in green so hopefully we can get some clarification.
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Post by guiri on Sept 21, 2011 8:17:35 GMT -5
The TD's PM states that they cannot detect pods once they replace the recruits (added underline): "Town Drunk: After years of alcohol abuse, the Town Drunk (TD) has suffered brain damage. This damage enables the TD to detect Recruits who have been sampled. The damage also makes it impossible for the TD to be sampled or Recruited. The TD cannot detect Pods once they have replaced the Recruits. The TD can investigate a player every Night."
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Post by texcat on Sept 21, 2011 11:01:56 GMT -5
Sister Coyote has seemingly changed her position on claims from Day2 where she was mildly suspicious of Inner for suggesting claims (bolding mine): Can I find out what it is or are we being coy Today? Dude. COYote. That said: You said: here but then when contradicted by Dirx backed off this position. Therefore, I was already suspicious of you, because even before Dirx came in with his measured point-by-point I don't suppose I have to tell you my feeling on outing people before they "need" to be outed.And then in the "Cherry bomb WTF" post, you said, And this is the part of the post where I throw my hands up and say I don't know what bothered me about this, especially since I'm starting to wonder if you're not right and am looking with a jaundiced eye at both guiri and Drain Bead. Her most recent position seems to have no problems with it: I don't immediately see any problems with this plan, peeker, except that it kind of make sense to me and I find that worrisome. Vote: Sister Coyote
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Post by guiri on Sept 21, 2011 11:09:23 GMT -5
OK, a not so brief review of Inner's interactions with and comments on living players and their interactions/comments related to him. I'd expect D1 to be useful for seeing who he interacted with and how, D2 works both ways. Why don't spoiler tags work on this board? Day 1Inner Stickler#4 Comments on 3 joke votes ( Paranoia, Sister Coyote and Sinjin) #37 Comments on who he'd pick if he were MPP, survivors who play regularly #40 Comments that SilverJan is likely asleep #48 Asks SisterCoyote why she's left her vote on Sturmhauke when there are other low or non-posters #50 Asks SisterCoyote if Sturmhauke's joke felt forced #50 Asks SilverJan what "nogal" means #72 To Deni, responds to suggestion to vote for those most likely recruited, asks if recruits were labeled in the flips #78 Responds to Guiri's comment about previous game #80 Responds to SilverJan question about other board #82 To Guiri, explains thoughts on strategy, retracts statement in second post #84 Posts a vote count, summarizes cases on SilverJan, Peeker, Guiri and Sturmhauke, no opinions #85 To Guiri, can't answer question about odds #90 Responds to Red's suggestion that the NR could claim, but only to out themselves, not the other power roles #94 To Paranoia, no lynch is a waste of time #108 Posts vote count, doesn't understand case on Red#118 Explains his interpretation of Red's suggestion that the NR should claim #123 To SisterCoyote, says we're trying to figure our benefits of claiming #125 To SilverJan, explains benefits and risks of claiming, asks if she has suggestions for finding scum #140 Drunk posts, to Dirx, comments on Guiri's play style as scum #151 To SisterCoyote, questions her vote on Red, seems to be following the crowd, doesn't see Red's comments as scummy, votes Bill for lurking #160 Would be willing to vote SilverJan or Sturmhauke#175 Considers Red confirmed, wants to force a tie to save him, finds case on SilverJan weak, Sturmhauke's vote on Red was terse, doesn't see the case against Paranoia as being strong, votes SturmhaukePeeker#41 To Inner, fluff re: comment on SilverJan#147 To Inner, fluff re: posting drunk Sister Coyote#49 To Inner, comments on other non-posters, not concerned, is bugged by Sturmhauke's joke in the Night 0 thread #69 To Sturmhauke, maybe Inner was right that the joke felt forced Deni#61 To Inner, explains "nogal" Guiri#75 Responds to Inner's question about previous game #81 Questions Inner's apparent change in stance on strategy #83 Questions Inner's odds of lynching scum SilverJan#79 Asks Inner about problem with other board Texcat#120 To Inner, comments on merits of drunk and shrink claiming SilverJan#124 Asks Inner how we're going to find scum if we're talking about claiming Sinjin#133 To Inner, power roles cannot be recruited, recruiting has already been done #134 Votes Inner (without unvoting Peeker) #142 Responds to questions on vote, Inner's comment seemed off the wall, is against mass claims, unvotes PolluxOil#139 Finds Sinjin's vote on Inner weird, expects it to be retracted RedSkeezix#152 Agrees with Inner's comment on Bill laying low Day 2Inner Stickler#3 Continues conversation with SisterCoyote about voting just to have a vote down #32 Promises to Peeker that he won't post drunk again, didn't know it was a scum tell #55 Asks SisterCoyote to explain what's bothering her #81 Responds to Dirx' case against him, points to a D1 Texcat post that bothered him, the fact that she "needed to vote" #94 More strategy on the value of voting for the sake of it #98 To Peeker, still holds people accountable for not voting, a meaningless vote destroys the vote record #106 Votes SilverJan to break the tie #107 Comments on Peeker's vote Sister Coyote#2 Responds to Inner's D1 question about her vote, just voted to have a vote down #5 Responds to further questioning, believes that "no lynch" is usually bad for Town #18 Doesn't understand Peeker's reason for voting Inner#48 Is bothered by something Inner said #49 Clarifies that it was the drunk post, wonders if we should give Inner a pass for posting drunk #59 Explains that she was pinged by his comment on the NR claiming and then backing off that stance, then quotes the drunk post but isn't sure what's bothering her about the post, wonders if Inner is correct (about my play style as scum) and suspects Drain and I #72 Asks if Inner has made a statement about his alignment Peeker#15 Suggests that the MPP is a low volume poster such as SisterCoyote or Inner#16 Votes Inner, can see him posting drunk #46 Gives Inner an example of drunk posting to the wrong board #74 To SilverJan, says nobody feels inclined to do anything about the scum he's found #87 Still confident with vote on Inner but would move to Guiri also #96 To Inner, everyone needs to vote, no matter how poor the reasoning Texcat#89 Responds to Inner's comment on her need to vote, explains vote reasoning and general view that everyone should vote Deni#104 Votes Inner, agrees with both Dirx' and Peeker's reasons for voting InnerGuiri#110 Comments on the case against Inner, question his defense and his self-defense vote PolluxOil#111 Comments on Inner's self-defense vote, can see Dirx' and Peeker's case, thinks about changing vote #113 Changes vote, gut feeling about Inner's play That's a lot of text and has taken longer than I expected, will review later.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 21, 2011 12:21:35 GMT -5
It's later in the Game. Inner was suggesting on Day One that powers out themselves, and that bothered me.
Now that we're in the mid-Game, my attitude toward claims does change. This is not inconsistent; this is adapting to game play.
That said, after further thought and a visit to the MRI this morning (nothing but time to think); I was wrong.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 21, 2011 16:42:23 GMT -5
I don't see a going to be away thread, so:
I'm waiting for my MRI results. Depending on what they say, my participation in the game may be spotty for a few days.
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Post by guiri on Sept 21, 2011 17:08:56 GMT -5
Meh, I'm not seeing this as such a useful exercise, on D1 Inner tended to focus on strategy, posting vote counts, and neutral comments. He got a little heat from Sinjin in the form of a vote which was retracted. There was a little friction between him and SisterCoyote and SilverJan, and some defense of RedSkeezix before the claim. On D2 it's mainly friction between him and SisterCoyote again but now also Peeker and Dirx, a comment on Texcat's D1 vote and a self-defense vote on SilverJan. Looking through some others: Sinjin hasn't given us much to go on, she posted more N2 than D2 and hasn't been back since SisterCoyote voted Paranoia for being the first to mention the NR claiming, I corrected her to say it was actually Red, she kept the vote as Red may have had reasons to ask. I've noticed that Inner supported the suggestion before Paranoia also, so why Paranoia? She seemed to flip-flop on Inner's drunk post, initially it bothered her, then she asked if we should give him a pass and then she said she was already suspicious of him but seems to move on to Drain and I (well, the jaundiced eye did). What are your thoughts on Inner's drunk post now? The only changes in Paranoia's play were in his stance towards SilverJan: the D1 "slip" wasn't worth a vote but the D2 defense was, and the denial that he wanted the NR to claim. I haven't seen any noticeable change in Texcat's play over the two Days. I've already pointed out what I saw in DrainBead's play D2 (seemingly more focused, a dropped suspicion, a change in approach). One of the few things that stood out from the review of Inner was the complete lack of any sort of interaction between Inner and Drain, possible avoidance. She has also been very quiet, her last post was from last Night: Nice job! Now that I'm dead in Gadarene's game, I'll have more time to focus on this one. A broken promise of participation. Vote Drain BeadI think the case still holds up although I'd like to hear SisterCoyote's replies and something from Sinjin.
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Post by guiri on Sept 21, 2011 17:17:40 GMT -5
I don't see a going to be away thread, so: I'm waiting for my MRI results. Depending on what they say, my participation in the game may be spotty for a few days. Good luck, hope everything is fine!
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 21, 2011 18:18:22 GMT -5
<font style="font-size: 12px;"> SisterCoyote voted Paranoia for being the first to mention the NR claiming, I corrected her to say it was actually Red, she kept the vote as Red may have had reasons to ask. I've noticed that Inner supported the suggestion before Paranoia also, so why Paranoia? You actually answer that later in your own post: the denial that he wanted the NR to claim It wasn't that he was the first to mention the NR claiming, just that he denied ever having done so at all. What are your thoughts on Inner's drunk post now? Peeker was right. Drunk posts get no passes from me ever again, as there's too much chance of a Scum slip. What was his Scum slip? I really don't know; I just know there's something Not Quite Right about that post.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 21, 2011 18:25:34 GMT -5
Totally unofficial and probably inaccurate if my past history is any indication vote count: Texcat: Peeker (36) SisCoyote: Texcat (43) Drain Bead: guiri (47) A three-way tie and three players voting. Sheesh. And I'm about to not help much, because I'm going to reinstate my vote from yesterDay: Vote: ParanoiaParticularly for the easy denial of having ever suggested or agreed that the NR should claim so early, but also for the rather laissez-faire "oh, right, I forgot" follow-up post. Also, because his entire participation for today suggests that he's not going to do anything to help Town find the Pods, to wit: Sooooo even with the MPP dead it's still endless amounts of wine.
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Post by Paranoia on Sept 21, 2011 18:57:59 GMT -5
So hmmmmm.
Vote: Paranoia
Until I get a better handle on things. Thinking things through we are more likely looking at the quieter survivor types, those you wouldn't notice much change in as recruits.
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Post by sinjin on Sept 21, 2011 19:01:59 GMT -5
HI, sorry not to post much. I'm having a hard time getting a grip on this game. To guiri: I voted Inner day one because that one post of his twigged me. Dirx called me on faulty reasoning and I let it slide. Day two paranoia twigged me. I didn't see the change in Inner's reasoning as a compelling case, bad on me. Not seeing too much toDay either But I will vote before end of day.
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Post by Paranoia on Sept 21, 2011 19:05:42 GMT -5
The stuff you pulled on me was all from day one. Shouldn't it have twigged you then?
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Post by special on Sept 21, 2011 19:12:13 GMT -5
see and the way i was reading the td power is that he gets a result whether someone is merely in the sampling stage or if they have progressed to the recruited stage since they would have had to have been sampled to end up being recruited. what say you mod?i put in green so hopefully we can get some clarification. You would be wrong. guiri would be correct.
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Post by peekercpa on Sept 21, 2011 19:15:07 GMT -5
see and the way i was reading the td power is that he gets a result whether someone is merely in the sampling stage or if they have progressed to the recruited stage since they would have had to have been sampled to end up being recruited. what say you mod?i put in green so hopefully we can get some clarification. You would be wrong. guiri would be correct. well there's a first.
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Post by texcat on Sept 21, 2011 19:29:33 GMT -5
First, good luck on the MRI, Sis. We're all pulling for you. And Deni, also, get well soon.
It's later in the Game. Inner was suggesting on Day One that powers out themselves, and that bothered me. Now that we're in the mid-Game, my attitude toward claims does change. This is not inconsistent; this is adapting to game play. That said, after further thought and a visit to the MRI this morning (nothing but time to think); I was wrong. You originally said, "I don't suppose I have to tell you my feeling on outing people before they "need" to be outed." But Today, you agreed with peeker on the role claims. You didn't say anything about why his argument met your criteria of "need" to be outed. You just went along with him. You claimed that you understood him, but I think we've shown that he was operating under a bad understanding of the rules. Did you notice that? Or did you just go along with him, thinking that yeah it would be good for my new scum team for the power roles to out themselves? And I sort of hate to pick on someone who is under medical care, getting MRI's, but most of your reasons for voting Paranoia have gone away. This is under the same category as SilverJan. Scummy behaviour on Day One should have only been shown by Inner Stickler, our only Day One scum. Anyone else who appeared scummy on Day One was just looking scummy; they were not scum at the time.
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Post by peekercpa on Sept 21, 2011 19:33:03 GMT -5
sis for me (and honestly trying to remember today what i did yesterday can at times be challenging) it just seemed odd about his observation about guir. it felt like he wanted to throw some shit but not too much shit. and that makes me highly suspicious of guiri as well now knowing what inner was. almost like he wanted to see if he could get some traction on a guiri lynch but when it failed it was back off time. but now that i reread the post i am uncertain if something more sinister was occuring. it's like he was looking for a nibble knowing no one would bite in order to establish some cred for one of his recruits. inner is a damn good player and guiri is in that league as well. so i can absolutely see it.
and if the rest of you folks are right about paranoia then we can celebrate and re-evaluate. but at this point i'd be looking at guiri and tex.
and paranoia voting for her/him self is not real helpful.
and sheeps sis get well. thoughts and prayers my friend. thoughts and prayers.
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Post by peekercpa on Sept 21, 2011 19:40:43 GMT -5
and one observation. peeps on this board and on the giraffe seem to be busy contemplative analytical folks. it might take me until tuesday to get the new york times sunday crossword figured out. but i don't fill it out with a bunch of ssss to just complete the fucker and hope for a score. crap on the 2x2 board there is typically 50 pages of shit just to wade through in one day (one rl day not one Day). it seems like there ought to be a happy medium. i mean it doesn't have to be sydney or the bush. sometimes it could just be ayer's rock.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 21, 2011 20:16:11 GMT -5
Texcat, the behavior paranoia exhibited that I'm objecting to (and voting for) happened on Day Two, in reference to things that happened Day One, and on Day Three in reference to absolutely nothing. The things on Day One in and of themselves are pretty innocuous. Thanks peek and everyone. Really, it turns out I'm fine. Just been a shitty month or so until I got an answer (which was "no, really, nothing wrong with you. Your arm just looks weird.")
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