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Day One
Oct 17, 2011 14:15:56 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 17, 2011 14:15:56 GMT -5
Day ends in 72 hours, At 10:00 PM CST Tuesday the 18th. Clarification needed here. You say that Day ends at 10:00 PM C ST. Do you mean C DT? That would be 72 hours (minus 15 minutes) from the beginning of the Day. In either case, we're well over halfway through the Day, and only 4 people have voted (myself not included). At this point, the choices seem to be: The loud one ( peeker) The one who made a slip ( colby) The one who hasn't really said much (the other 19 players) vote sinjinHis argument that peeker is making too much sense so he must be Scum just rubs me the wrong way.
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Day One
Oct 17, 2011 14:18:18 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Oct 17, 2011 14:18:18 GMT -5
Just a thought but... colby did post right beneath Ed so he should have seen who had posted before him, he (colby) was only the 3rd post after all.
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Day One
Oct 17, 2011 14:23:16 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 17, 2011 14:23:16 GMT -5
Well I doubted whether communication could go on during Night 0 between "multiple" factions, but..... The Day wasn't even 3 hours old when colby11 made his comment... the only post other than the Mods before that was by Mr Special Ed. Who still hasn't come forward with a claim. Now given that he has done so (made a claim ) very early on in a few games... are we to think that he has just decided to play this one different ? Or , had it been Mr Special Ed and colby11 that had been entertaining each other on a board somewhere else.. and BillMc is part of the merry band and they might have been discussing what they as a group should do.. It's either completely wrong or it's on a plate... Ed has made early claims in a couple games recently, but I think he's had a specific reason each time. He's not approaching Idle or Pleonast territory. Are you now supposing that colby, Bill, and Ed are all Scum? I can certainly see the possible tie between colby and Bill, but how does Ed come out looking guilty in this exchange?
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Day One
Oct 17, 2011 14:42:20 GMT -5
Post by moodymitchy on Oct 17, 2011 14:42:20 GMT -5
Agreed that Mr Special Ed has never stated that he always claims.... Where as Idle has stated the he "nearly" always claims when Vanilla .. If my memory serves me correctly.
I'm not supposing or jumping to any conclusions that all 3 of them are in the same group (which ever that might be)... I'm trying to come up with a reasonable explanation as to why colby11 mention BillMc in his first post when , BillMc had , as far as I can tell, not been near the game yet...
It is of course possible the colby11 and Mr Special Ed are on the same side.. and had possibly been communicating off board. Perhaps they were discussing what might be done with BillMc.
It's well known that he is a very good player. If you don't know that he's on your side, you'd like to have a plan to get rid of him.
Of course this is all supposition but, it's also discussion and points to be discussed which can only be a good thing...
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Day One
Oct 17, 2011 14:48:09 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Oct 17, 2011 14:48:09 GMT -5
Since Bill is often the topic of discussion for Scum (kill him early and often is the popular phrase- given his track record)
I am pinged that Colby had him on his mind.
Also IIRC Colby is not accustomed to living to D2 so he could have ‘had the jitters’ about survival . This certainly does not make him look less suspect to my thinking.
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Day One
Oct 17, 2011 15:11:25 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Oct 17, 2011 15:11:25 GMT -5
It's either completely wrong or it's on a plate... <snipped> heh heh. i love this post. my memory of moody is a waffler. the fact that he/she/it is ready to put down is encouraging.
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Day One
Oct 17, 2011 16:05:46 GMT -5
Post by moodymitchy on Oct 17, 2011 16:05:46 GMT -5
It's either completely wrong or it's on a plate... <snipped> heh heh. i love this post. my memory of moody is a waffler. the fact that he/she/it is ready to put down is encouraging. I think you should take a look in the mirror peekercpa when it comes to waffling... But it's you yourself that said that all content is good content... I too was rather surprised that it took you so long to jump on the "slip".
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Day One
Oct 17, 2011 16:07:10 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Oct 17, 2011 16:07:10 GMT -5
Ho hum, here we go again. Let's start by unvoting: Guiri. Although I'm still not convinced he's not scum. Or the devil incarnate. Geez, I feel like an idiot right now.. I was wondering why everyone was so confused... Well, I think that I should just turn in my experience card.. cause that was idiotic I'm just wondering if that was a real slip or did you have one of your scum buddies on your mind. Vote Colby 11Really? Not sure if this was a serious vote or just to get people talking. I hope the latter because I'd be leery personally of voting someone for mistyping a name. Not that I think it's scummy, because... Sorry was packing and cleaning carpets all day yesterday and will most likely be doing the same today and for the next few days. I have never played with Peeker, but is talking and trying to get more people to talk and information out there, which is never anti-town. We all know what Day 1 is like. I am not sure I find the mistake by Colby to be a scummy and warrant votes, it might be a opportunity for SCUM to get a bandwagon going... Agreed and agreed, although the one thing you can always say about Peeker, regardless of alignment, is he'll talk the hind legs off a donkey. As for Silver Jan's vote, I'm undecided. It seems a little aggressive for a scummy player to do this early. I'm slightly more inclined to trust people who put themselves "out there" early on. I love "slips." I never would have made the jump from Colby accidentally saying Bill's name instead of Ed's to the reason he did that was because he had Bill on the brain. It's like accidentally saying someone else's name in bed and having to spend the next month explaining, "No sweetie, I'm not seeing another person! It was just an accidental slip!" I'm not too suspicious of Silver Jan because she tends to shoot from the hip in terms of voting. Scathach I'm wary of, partly because he's new here and partly because he played the "I'm new here" card when voting. Three things here: first thing, Peeker's been talking about Ed and Bill early on in what seems to be a similar context - at least, regarding them both with some respect. So I can understand that link being made if Colby had been reading Peeker's posts. Secondly, didn't Colby make a similar slip in "Alice Mafia" early on that led to him attracting some votes? Or am I confusing him with somebody else? Colby? Third though, I hate the thing about Scathach. Newbies tend to get lynched first in this game. It happened to Ace. It would have happened to me if I'd not been a mason. I'm sure it's happened to others. Newbies do tend to mention that they're new also (I did and Ace did, we were both town, so much for the "new card"). On general principle I'm inclined to cut them some slack, for the simple reason that if they are scum, it becomes a lot more obvious later on that it might with somebody like Guiri. And if they're not, they deserve a fair shot. With all the fluff so far, can anybody say for sure yet who is scum? Nope we can't but a lot of what's gone on hasn't been fluff either... Vote Deon You've made 2 posts today... the one I've quoted and one very early on that asked whether Pauls name should be on a list... It not much but it'll do for Day 1... as Lightfoot noted... I leave my sense of humour at the door when I play... or maybe I don;t have one to start off with... The reason I started out of the gate with the serious play was because a 72 hour Day is pretty short... It also started on a weekend which means that we need to try and get as much "proper" talk done as we can. Moody, can you elaborate on your reasons for voting Deon? vote sinjinHis argument that peeker is making too much sense so he must be Scum just rubs me the wrong way. Sinjin is a "she" (I hope). I think she was trying to make a joke, but also start conversation. Neither of which strikes me as scummy. Ok, Moley's first instincts... - (Very) mild town tells based on their actions: Sinjin, Ginger. - People I disagree with but don't think the points they've made are necessarily "scummy": Silver Jan, Plankton, Colby. - People I can't "read" either way, but don't get a sense that they're being deliberately evasive: Peeker, Paul, Scathach. Yep, in what will probably turn one of the least shocking moments of this or any other game: the only person I've got a definite suspicion of right now, primarily based on his singling out of Scat, is the person I will vote: Pollux. Who could possibly have seen THAT one coming? (Answer: anybody who's ever played a game with the two of us in it.) Thing is, the last time I said I thought he was scum, I was right. (Maybe not the twenty-or-so times I said he was scum before then, but broken clocks, etc.) Hopefully this makes it two in a row.
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Day One
Oct 17, 2011 16:20:17 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Oct 17, 2011 16:20:17 GMT -5
Yep, in what will probably turn one of the least shocking moments of this or any other game: the only person I've got a definite suspicion of right now, primarily based on his singling out of Scat, is the person I will vote: Pollux. Who could possibly have seen THAT one coming? (Answer: anybody who's ever played a game with the two of us in it.) Thing is, the last time I said I thought he was scum, I was right. (Maybe not the twenty-or-so times I said he was scum before then, but broken clocks, etc.) Hopefully this makes it two in a row. /facepalm Okay, I'll admit it. I actually started laughing when I saw this. But seriously. I mentioned Scat because he's a new player. New players are harder to get reads on simply because the more familiar you are with a player, the more you know their style. But more important, his vote was tempered with an "I guess" AND he threw out the "I'm new" card with his vote. New people can easily use that as a defense, as you brought up yourself that you tend to take it easier on new players. Anybody can be scum, new or old, we shouldn't give them a pass just because of that.
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Day One
Oct 17, 2011 16:24:43 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Oct 17, 2011 16:24:43 GMT -5
Actually Moody, don't bother, I get why you're voting Deon. Re-reading is my friend today it would seem. As for Deon's rhetorical question, I don't see it as a "tell" either way; it's difficult enough to sort the wheat from the chaff when there's tons to go on in rounds three/four, let alone this early on.
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Day One
Oct 17, 2011 16:33:27 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Oct 17, 2011 16:33:27 GMT -5
Three things here: first thing, Peeker's been talking about Ed and Bill early on in what seems to be a similar context - at least, regarding them both with some respect. So I can understand that link being made if Colby had been reading Peeker's posts I snipped a lot to get to the part I wanted This comment would only make sense IF Colby had posted AFTER someone mentioned Bill . At the time Bill hadn’t even posted or been mentioned. (except in the opening colour) Mod edit: wheee tags.
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Day One
Oct 17, 2011 16:42:07 GMT -5
Post by moodymitchy on Oct 17, 2011 16:42:07 GMT -5
Just to clarify... my vote on Deon is simple because they've made two posts toDay. neither of any substance...
Though I have big concerns regarding colby11. I think that we need to wait on that one to see what might transpire...
It's an easy place for anyone to put their vote..
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Day One
Oct 17, 2011 16:43:31 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Oct 17, 2011 16:43:31 GMT -5
Yep, in what will probably turn one of the least shocking moments of this or any other game: the only person I've got a definite suspicion of right now, primarily based on his singling out of Scat, is the person I will vote: Pollux. Who could possibly have seen THAT one coming? (Answer: anybody who's ever played a game with the two of us in it.) Thing is, the last time I said I thought he was scum, I was right. (Maybe not the twenty-or-so times I said he was scum before then, but broken clocks, etc.) Hopefully this makes it two in a row. /facepalm Okay, I'll admit it. I actually started laughing when I saw this. But seriously. I mentioned Scat because he's a new player. New players are harder to get reads on simply because the more familiar you are with a player, the more you know their style. Agree with that... the trouble is that new players seem to make easy scum targets on this board. We all know there's ways that things are "done" and "not done". Seems like in most of the games I've played, the early lynch has been decided because someone broke some unwritten law of etiquette or something. Apart from the fact that it sucks if you're new and something like that happens to you (as I know from personal experience), a lot of scum teams seem to find it easy to target the new guy for some reason. Again, looking at Ace from "Alice Mafia" here. And while I kinda see your point about him mentioning he's new, although I don't agree with it - "I guess", in that particular context, is supposed to be scummy? I don't get that at all. It seems like the opposite of "perfect information syndrome". The most frustrating thing about day one is there's so little information. I can't see any particular significance, in terms of him being either town or non-town, in him using that term.
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Day One
Oct 17, 2011 16:46:27 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Oct 17, 2011 16:46:27 GMT -5
Just to clarify... my vote on Deon is simple because they've made two posts toDay. neither of any substance... Though I have big concerns regarding colby11. I think that we need to wait on that one to see what might transpire... It's an easy place for anyone to put their vote.. I see on the main board that subs are being called for ( we may not have as many lurkers as suspected)
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Day One
Oct 17, 2011 16:55:00 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Oct 17, 2011 16:55:00 GMT -5
Three things here: first thing, Peeker's been talking about Ed and Bill early on in what seems to be a similar context - at least, regarding them both with some respect. So I can understand that link being made if Colby had been reading Peeker's posts I snipped a lot to get to the part I wanted This comment would only make sense IF Colby had posted AFTER someone mentioned Bill . At the time Bill hadn’t even posted or been mentioned. (except in the opening colour) ** Rereads again...** Yep... re-reading is definitely my friend today. For some reason I thought Colby had posted that where he'd made the two posts later on, after Peeker's "list". Strike that point then, but it's still one hell of a leap from " Colby made a mistake with his names" to " Colby made a mistake with his names because the person whose name he actually wrote down had been corresponding with him on the scum boards earlier on". Modedit: wheeeee tags.
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Day One
Oct 17, 2011 16:56:10 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Oct 17, 2011 16:56:10 GMT -5
Paranoia, any chance you could fix the horrible quote tags in that last post?
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Day One
Oct 17, 2011 17:29:43 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Oct 17, 2011 17:29:43 GMT -5
Any chance of a countdown... I need to reread, but don't have time now... need to know how much time I have to get a vote in and I'm not the greatest at figuring out time zones. I only ask because I remember there used to be a countdown timer on this site.... would be nice to have it back.
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Day One
Oct 17, 2011 17:30:34 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Oct 17, 2011 17:30:34 GMT -5
NETA: I implemented one on the LPP site where the facebookers play... if needed I could PM the necessary folks the coding for it, it's failry simple to add to the board.
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Day One
Oct 17, 2011 17:31:40 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Oct 17, 2011 17:31:40 GMT -5
@ Moley It could just as well be that Colby was talking about Bill somewhere else (rather than to him)
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Day One
Oct 17, 2011 18:40:15 GMT -5
Post by JustBeingGinger on Oct 17, 2011 18:40:15 GMT -5
Love the opening, Paranoia. Bill- maybe Peeker is waiting for the right moment? or maybe this is a nicer Peeker? (and this might be a change, this is the first game I'm playing with Mr. Peeker) Colby, how did you know about Peeker's personality or game style to say "maybe this is a nicer peeker."? In the theory that maybe colby was talking in the SCUM thread about Bill, maybe someone told him about how peeker is. This is my first game with him and I had no idea how he was.
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Day One
Oct 17, 2011 18:41:31 GMT -5
Post by JustBeingGinger on Oct 17, 2011 18:41:31 GMT -5
and not that I am wanting his "abrasive side" but where is ED, is he off having a drink with Cap Pinkies?
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Day One
Oct 17, 2011 18:46:04 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Oct 17, 2011 18:46:04 GMT -5
Dear Mr. Plankton:
I am of the female persuasion. Peeks and I have a thing kind of like my thing with NAF. I always suspect them both. Most times I am correct. I am a little taken aback by your vote on me at the earliest opportunity for an early vote. Others take note of this in the future please. I will not however OMGUS you at this moment.
I will however unvote peeks
and vote colby11.
The more I think about it the less I like colby's slip. It makes no town sense at the very beginning of the day.
sincerely;
sinj
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Day One
Oct 17, 2011 19:02:03 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Oct 17, 2011 19:02:03 GMT -5
I think you should take a look in the mirror peekercpa when it comes to waffling... But it's you yourself that said that all content is good content... I too was rather surprised that it took you so long to jump on the "slip". huh, what? first, where the in the world am i waffling about anything. second, really i mean really. you are the second (?) person i think to make the observation on the "slip" timing. yaknow i actually have a job, a family and other shit that i do. and to a great extent i am inclined to give swissncheddar a pass at this point. it just reeks like a newbie fuck up rather than an ah carp experienced screw up. unvote allvote moodythis opportunistic hopping on my ass has got to cease at some point. and i know you didn't toss a vote which even makes it worse imho. just throw a general smudge out there. smells like a scum trying to get a wagon rolling without actually committing to a durn thing. smell like enough of a waffle to you there moody? or do i need to heat up the maple syrup to make it clearer?
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Day One
Oct 17, 2011 19:10:09 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Oct 17, 2011 19:10:09 GMT -5
Love the opening, Paranoia. Bill- maybe Peeker is waiting for the right moment? or maybe this is a nicer Peeker? (and this might be a change, this is the first game I'm playing with Mr. Peeker) Colby, how did you know about Peeker's personality or game style to say "maybe this is a nicer peeker."? In the theory that maybe colby was talking in the SCUM thread about Bill, maybe someone told him about how peeker is. This is my first game with him and I had no idea how he was. yaknow. this didn't twing me at all on the first couple of go rounds. i'm operating on the assumption that this is our first rodeo together. but you are right. how the farck would he know how i play in the absence of some other banter. i mean it's not like we are twelve pages into D2. its the fucking third post of the entire game. carp i didn't really even post in the N0 other than fuck, we've already started kind of shit. must ponder greatly.
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Day One
Oct 17, 2011 19:16:12 GMT -5
Post by special on Oct 17, 2011 19:16:12 GMT -5
and not that I am wanting his "abrasive side" but where is ED, is he off having a drink with Cap Pinkies? You wanted my attention?
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Day One
Oct 17, 2011 19:21:57 GMT -5
Post by special on Oct 17, 2011 19:21:57 GMT -5
Love the opening, Paranoia. Bill- maybe Peeker is waiting for the right moment? or maybe this is a nicer Peeker? (and this might be a change, this is the first game I'm playing with Mr. Peeker) Colby, how did you know about Peeker's personality or game style to say "maybe this is a nicer peeker."? In the theory that maybe colby was talking in the SCUM thread about Bill, maybe someone told him about how peeker is. This is my first game with him and I had no idea how he was. colby has played in at least Sister's Wonderland game and Meeko's zoo game here. But I think I've played more games with him. Maybe I'm mistaken.
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Day One
Oct 17, 2011 19:23:31 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Oct 17, 2011 19:23:31 GMT -5
Dear Mr. Plankton: I am of the female persuasion. Peeks and I have a thing kind of like my thing with NAF. I always suspect them both. Most times I am correct. <snipped> i agree with you totally as long as we expand the context of being "correct" to include getting alignment wrong. then you are mostly spot on. i think you almost always refer to me as a penis possessor.
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Day One
Oct 17, 2011 19:26:04 GMT -5
Post by special on Oct 17, 2011 19:26:04 GMT -5
Sorry was packing and cleaning carpets all day yesterday and will most likely be doing the same today and for the next few days.
I have never played with Peeker, but is talking and trying to get more people to talk and information out there, which is never anti-town. We all know what Day 1 is like.
I am not sure I find the mistake by Colby to be a scummy and warrant votes, it might be a opportunity for SCUM to get a bandwagon going...
and not that I am wanting his "abrasive side" but where is ED, is he off having a drink with Cap Pinkies?
Of course, now that you got my attention. Would you agree with this summary of your posts?
1. Peeker is talking. I don't think what colby did was Scummy. 2. I wasn't defending colby, jsuit saying maybe the votes weren't warranted. (Translation: I am not admitting to defending him despite making comments that were a defense against voting for him.) 3. Colby, explain your comment about peeker. Well, OK, maybe what everyone else says was true that I defended against really is true. 4. Poke Ed.
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OK, now explain to me why what you've done so far isn't Scummy?
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Day One
Oct 17, 2011 19:34:15 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on Oct 17, 2011 19:34:15 GMT -5
Busy day at work, sorry I'm just now getting here.
Vote: Colby
It's not the slip, it's the (lack of) defense.
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Day One
Oct 17, 2011 19:53:10 GMT -5
Post by JustBeingGinger on Oct 17, 2011 19:53:10 GMT -5
Sorry was packing and cleaning carpets all day yesterday and will most likely be doing the same today and for the next few days.
I have never played with Peeker, but is talking and trying to get more people to talk and information out there, which is never anti-town. We all know what Day 1 is like.
I am not sure I find the mistake by Colby to be a scummy and warrant votes, it might be a opportunity for SCUM to get a bandwagon going...
Still not clear why you confused Ed and myself. Or your defence here could be viewed as you trying to push this under the carpet. Well I would be a heartless bastard to bus a fellow scum with my first post of the game. [/size][/quote] I was not defending him or sweeping it under the carpet, just simply stating that I was not sure if it warranted votes after two people voted him for the confusion. [/size][/quote] Colby, how did you know about Peeker's personality or game style to say "maybe this is a nicer peeker."? In the theory that maybe colby was talking in the SCUM thread about Bill, maybe someone told him about how peeker is. This is my first game with him and I had no idea how he was. [/size][/quote] and not that I am wanting his "abrasive side" but where is ED, is he off having a drink with Cap Pinkies? Of course, now that you got my attention. Would you agree with this summary of your posts? 1. Peeker is talking. I don't think what colby did was Scummy. 2. I wasn't defending colby, jsuit saying maybe the votes weren't warranted. (Translation: I am not admitting to defending him despite making comments that were a defense against voting for him.) 3. Colby, explain your comment about peeker. Well, OK, maybe what everyone else says was true that I defended against really is true. 4. Poke Ed. ~~~~~~~ OK, now explain to me why what you've done so far isn't Scummy?[/quote] Is it scummy? When I commented about colby I took the slip at face value and was more concerned about the votes that were on him. I decided to go back and read from the beginning of the day in general , I saw the comment about Peeker and found that odd. I don't like the bandwagon that is forming on colby, I have only seen a few bandwagons work and lynch a scum and hardly ever on Day 1. Do I think that the name slip means that he is 100% scum, no. I have gotten names mixed up before, yes. Do I find the fact that Colby knows about peeker's play style, without ever playing with him before, maybe.
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