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Post by BillMc on Oct 23, 2011 16:00:10 GMT -5
His reply to SisC is the one that confused me and still does. It seems to be a complete non sequitur based on what he has said since then. So Bill I ask again what were you saying here? Small words will work for me. Thanks] i refer you to post #8 today. you seem rather obsessed about this. Vote: vote sinjin On one hand bill as Town is usually killed early and often. On the other foot bill alliance unknown may have been blocked? this is so fucking meta. if bill is town scum will want him dead. immediately. but i can also see scum leaving him alive hoping that town will take him down since his mere existence increases the odds that he is scum or not town. his continue life makes me nervous on a number of fronts. Damned if I do, damned if I don't.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Oct 23, 2011 16:21:57 GMT -5
ok to recap the scenarios that you outline are that bill and colby [/b] are scum. or that colby is scum. and you are correct in saying these are not the only available options. the others being that bill is scum and colby is town or that they are both town, right? so you don't agree with the ones you note therefore i kind of make the conclustion that you agree with the ones you don't. is that kind of the skinnny on the situation?[/quote] Yes, that's the gist of it. And holy crap, I actually understood what you said for once. Damn.
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Post by Drain Bead on Oct 23, 2011 16:38:35 GMT -5
Haven't read the whole thread so am unsure if this was addressed.
Moodymitchy, picture that Scum has a watcher and they were watching me last Night. If I say that my target visited someone, they know my target was a power role. If I say they did nothing, they know my target is vanilla and our power roles have a smaller pool to hide in.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 23, 2011 17:32:06 GMT -5
I'm still here...unexpectedly had a very busy weekend. I've just singed on and have no idea what's going on Today. Off to read 7 pages and see if I can make a contribution before it's too late to be of any use.
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Post by sinjin on Oct 23, 2011 17:33:27 GMT -5
His reply to SisC is the one that confused me and still does. It seems to be a complete non sequitur based on what he has said since then. So Bill I ask again what were you saying here? Small words will work for me. Thanks] i refer you to post #8 today. you seem rather obsessed about this. Vote: vote sinjin [/color] [/quote] This is so much bullshit I can't believe it. You didn't answer the question you just skirted it again. My question wasn't about your uh? post, it was about your post to SisterC in which you reference your first post which just happened to be uh? BillMc What the hell is this supposed to mean? Just parse this statement as a response to Sister C's post for me please. Thanks.
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Post by sinjin on Oct 23, 2011 17:45:46 GMT -5
@ Paul as I said before your posts were long and dense and sometimes repetative. That's what the blah, blah, blah referred to. I'm sorry I didn't delineate each and every one of your points in each and every one of your posts. You didn't show where what I posted misconstrued what you said. Just that I didn't include each and every point you made. It took me all damn day to do what I did and as I stated I did it mainly to refresh myself with IMHO what of importance was said on Day 1.
@ Pollux, yes all of the comment in []'s were my opinions and I guess if MO doesn't completely agree with yours its "skewed".
@peeks, well I've learned something new in this game. Just as I learned not to drink in the night thread (I was the one who was killed in that game) I will no longer make a joke vote at the start of Day 1. I can't decide if your vote or Bill's is weaker.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 23, 2011 17:53:19 GMT -5
@ Silver Jan.... I think what peekercpa was referring to in the post of yours that he quoted was the fact that you used Sach as a shortened version of Scathach . So he made the colby11 reference because you (to him anyway) got a name wrong... something that a few of us have jumped on colby11 for. If I'm wrong about this then please feel free to correct me. ding ding ding, we have a winner. to me sach will always be sachetorte - a delicious desert. yasee you folks need to hang with us for about a decade. then the inside shit becomes second nature. so moody gets a gold star. he got both the reference and the stupidity of people hopping on a typo or just plain mis reference. i mean i will certainly give you shit but very rarely do i put a vote on a typo. there was a game here a while back where the clods lynched someone because of punctuation. i think i was scum in that one and jumped all over someone because of a comma or some such nonsense. dumb ass town took it and ran with it for a scum score. ed would probably remember.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 23, 2011 17:54:53 GMT -5
His reply to SisC is the one that confused me and still does. It seems to be a complete non sequitur based on what he has said since then. So Bill I ask again what were you saying here? Small words will work for me. Thanks] i refer you to post #8 today. you seem rather obsessed about this. Vote: vote sinjin [/color] this is so fucking meta. if bill is town scum will want him dead. immediately. but i can also see scum leaving him alive hoping that town will take him down since his mere existence increases the odds that he is scum or not town. his continue life makes me nervous on a number of fronts.[/quote] Damned if I do, damned if I don't.[/quote] well if you weren't so damned good you wouldn't create these conundrums for the rest of us.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 23, 2011 18:15:38 GMT -5
neta: that's why i suggested an invitational gloves off blood bath. there are really about 8 folks that just scare the ever living jeebuz out of me. there are about 12 that just kind of scare me. then there is the vast wasteland of just really good players that i pay attention to but don't get me all nervous and shit. s'why i want to put together a game where the 20 or so that are so frightenly good in one game along with some cannon fodder (think red shirts on star trek). that way you don't have to worry about story, because you have sach, guiri, bill, ed, sis, draino, blam, roosh blah blah blah. matter of fact now that i type it out ain't no fucking way i am playing. i'd be cut bait right off the bat.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 23, 2011 18:26:12 GMT -5
ok to recap the scenarios that you outline are that bill and colby [/b] are scum. or that colby is scum. and you are correct in saying these are not the only available options. the others being that bill is scum and colby is town or that they are both town, right? so you don't agree with the ones you note therefore i kind of make the conclustion that you agree with the ones you don't. is that kind of the skinnny on the situation?[/quote] Yes, that's the gist of it. And holy crap, I actually understood what you said for once. Damn.[/quote] immediately stop smoking what you are smoking, stop drinking what you are drinking and stop eating what you are eating. it should pass in about 8 hours. under no circumstance attempt to drive in the meantime.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Oct 23, 2011 19:34:40 GMT -5
I will not be around for the end of Day. I am too tired and need sleep!!!!!! For what it is worth, I am town in case votes go wild.
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Post by special on Oct 23, 2011 19:40:03 GMT -5
I will not be around for the end of Day. I am too tired and need sleep!!!!!! For what it is worth, I am town in case votes go wild. oh, crap! You're Town?!?! I guess I should unvote you immediately.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 23, 2011 19:43:20 GMT -5
For what it is worth, I am town in case votes go wild. Thanks for letting us know. I don't know...I've sort of speed-read through the Day, and nothing is really standing out to me. People that are currently pinging me: Silver Jan, for her strange voting behavior toward the end of Day yesterDay. Special Ed, for his refusal to vote yesterDay. Ed has a point that there is nothing strictly Scummy about abstaining from voting, but there is definitely nothing that's Townie about it either. It suggests a lack of interest in the outcome of the voting, which is not generally a pro-Town position. I understand that he may have made the same play before, but that has absolutely no bearing on this case. Yeah, there's no apparent pro-Scum motivation in the play, but that's never stopped Ed before. vote Special Ed
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Post by special on Oct 23, 2011 19:49:59 GMT -5
For what it is worth, I am town in case votes go wild. Thanks for letting us know. I don't know...I've sort of speed-read through the Day, and nothing is really standing out to me. People that are currently pinging me: Silver Jan, for her strange voting behavior toward the end of Day yesterDay. Special Ed, for his refusal to vote yesterDay. Ed has a point that there is nothing strictly Scummy about abstaining from voting, but there is definitely nothing that's Townie about it either. It suggests a lack of interest in the outcome of the voting, which is not generally a pro-Town position. I understand that he may have made the same play before, but that has absolutely no bearing on this case. Yeah, there's no apparent pro-Scum motivation in the play, but that's never stopped Ed before. vote Special EdJust to understand more completely. This is vote is because I could possibly be Scum, even though I've done nothing Scummy. Along with a healthy mischaracterization that I wasn't interested in the outcome. I was there, and participating, and obviously interested. I bet you didn't even spend any time trying to understand my explanation. I suppose it falls in the "I didn't think about that. It goes against my 'standard Town operating procedures.' So it must be Scummy." I'm not sure how interested you are in the outcome to have only done a speed reading and then summarized that speed reading with 2 comments. One of those comments is meaningless: "strange oting behavior" and the other isn't even an accusation of Scumminess. Weak. This is very weak. This is how Town loses.
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Post by special on Oct 23, 2011 19:54:43 GMT -5
[soapbox]
The more games we play together, the more we learn how to play as Scum.
We see the mistakes Scum make. We see how they are caught. We learn.
If we continue to play as Town the same way and look for the same things, we'll really only catch our newbie Scum players, provided they aren't getting good advice from teammates.
We must change our playstyle. We must find different ways to catch Scum. I've developed a few strategies of my own for attempting to catch Scum. Sometimes they work. Sometimes they don't.
Or we can just try the same things, and when no one acts "Scummy" in our pre-defined notions of Scumminess, we vote for people who do "Things I don't like."
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 23, 2011 19:59:47 GMT -5
Unofficial Vote Count for Day 2 (2 hours remaining)
Colby11 (4) - moodymitchy, Silver Jan, sinjin, Lightfoot Silver Jan (3)-Honest Moley, Colby11, Drain Bead JustbeingGinger (3)- Sister Coyote, Pollux Oil, Mr. Special Ed Mr. Special Ed (2)- JustbeingGinger, Suburban Plankton sinjin (2)- Peekercpa, BillMC Paulwhoisaghost (1)- Deon
People who have not voted today (5): paulwhoisaghost, Texcat, Inner Stickler, Deni, zuma
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Post by texcat on Oct 23, 2011 20:00:29 GMT -5
After my reread I am just as suspicious of colby11 as I was yesterDay, several others are on my radar as well and I need to go back and read again, but will have no time today (babysitting Colby's statements about Drain not claiming are just bizarre. His calling her by the wrong name three times in a row after taking heat yesterday for calling someone the wrong name is just, just, inconceivable. vote colby11So, after all of the wall of words summary, Sinjin comes back to voting Colby again. And several others are on her radar, but she doesn't have time to share those with us? She had time to post the wall of words, but I don't recall seeing her call out the others on her radar there either. I said before that I didn't see any enlightening positions, and I stand by that. Ed said he saw a lot of opinions from Sinjin, but what I saw was a lot of snark and not much about who is scum and who is town. Vote: Sinjin
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Post by special on Oct 23, 2011 20:06:44 GMT -5
Ed said he saw a lot of opinions from Sinjin, but what I saw was a lot of snark and not much about who is scum and who is town. Really? No, she didn't label people as Scum or Town, but she certainly posted opinions. Could you seriously not tell after reading that who she suspected and who she didn't? Really? Is this what passes for Scum hunting now? Oh, wait, she didn't make a detailed chart listing her suspects in order or something? No, it was snarky. Yes, it was. Is snark now a Scumtell? or is it another "thing I don't like"?
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 23, 2011 20:06:59 GMT -5
Great idea! At least we will at least know if Drain Bead did get any information or not. Any information (whether it's good or bad) is better than guessing about it (or not knowing) Bolding and re sizing mine.... Drain Bead has already said that they did get a result but would rather not share it with us at the moment.. I can understand them not wanting to reveal who they tracked... but not why they shouldn't reveal if they know that the person they tracked actually visited someone and if so , who ? The way I understood it, Drain Bead did get a result, but it could be that Drain Bead's result was "You tracked Player Z, but got no result". I think that Drain Bead was concerned about who they investigated, and didn't want them to get a free pass... Then again, maybe I'm misunderstanding it all.
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Post by texcat on Oct 23, 2011 20:11:00 GMT -5
On Drain, I am surprised that there was not more questioning of her claim, Today. There has been no counterclaim, so I'm thinking that there is not another town tracker. We have no reason to believe that there is necessarily any tracker, however.
The fact that there was no NK is a point in Drain's favor. And the fact that she has not shared information with us is a point in her favor. (A scum Drain who had claimed tracker would probably leap at the chance to give us fake results this Morning.) I see no reason for her to share results while the doctor is still alive and protecting her. And I question those who are pushing for information.
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Post by texcat on Oct 23, 2011 20:15:11 GMT -5
What happens in case of a tie vote?
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 23, 2011 20:21:00 GMT -5
What happens in case of a tie vote? Essentially colby stated that he asked me this earlier and I hit modify instead of quote because DAMN MUSCLE MEMORY. This has been brought to you by mod derpery.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 23, 2011 20:22:54 GMT -5
[soapbox] The more games we play together, the more we learn how to play as Scum. We see the mistakes Scum make. We see how they are caught. We learn. If we continue to play as Town the same way and look for the same things, we'll really only catch our newbie Scum players, provided they aren't getting good advice from teammates. We must change our playstyle. We must find different ways to catch Scum. I've developed a few strategies of my own for attempting to catch Scum. Sometimes they work. Sometimes they don't. Or we can just try the same things, and when no one acts "Scummy" in our pre-defined notions of Scumminess, we vote for people who do "Things I don't like." [/soapbox] how come i am so absolutely fascinated with this post. ed is suggesting something outside of the box. at least for this board. and while i don't agree with his ouside of the boxiness the fact that he is willing to get off his tight ass way of playing this game is encouraging. i think we should all take a lesson from this. lynching liars is not a good default. lynching lurkers is not a good default. getting in folks grill is a good default. i dare wonder if we have a convert to the way this game can be played.
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Post by sinjin on Oct 23, 2011 20:24:36 GMT -5
So texcat since you can't read between the lines my list of suspects is as follows:
colby11 Bill Ginger Paul and most recently Peeks for his insanely stupid vote for me because I joke voted him on day one.
Looks like I may be going down for nothing more than posting things like I see them. I'm sorry if I offended you by not analyzing any of your posts. You haven't posted much and what you did post didn't twig me.
There you have it.
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Post by sinjin on Oct 23, 2011 20:29:29 GMT -5
So Peeks how did you get in MY grill? You voted me for the most ass aweful reason outside of Bill's and texcat's. I keep asking Bill to answer the same question he has been skirting for two days. Instead of answering he votes me. I was suspicious of Colby yesterday and I'm still find him suspicious toDay given his posts toDay, how scummy of me.
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Post by special on Oct 23, 2011 20:33:25 GMT -5
[soapbox] The more games we play together, the more we learn how to play as Scum. We see the mistakes Scum make. We see how they are caught. We learn. If we continue to play as Town the same way and look for the same things, we'll really only catch our newbie Scum players, provided they aren't getting good advice from teammates. We must change our playstyle. We must find different ways to catch Scum. I've developed a few strategies of my own for attempting to catch Scum. Sometimes they work. Sometimes they don't. Or we can just try the same things, and when no one acts "Scummy" in our pre-defined notions of Scumminess, we vote for people who do "Things I don't like." [/soapbox] how come i am so absolutely fascinated with this post. ed is suggesting something outside of the box. at least for this board. and while i don't agree with his ouside of the boxiness the fact that he is willing to get off his tight ass way of playing this game is encouraging. i think we should all take a lesson from this. lynching liars is not a good default. lynching lurkers is not a good default. getting in folks grill is a good default. i dare wonder if we have a convert to the way this game can be played. You don't even have to get in someone's grill. You just have to stop looking for the same old things when the people who are Scum now were Town when we learned to look for those same old things and are therefore not likely to be doing those same old things.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 23, 2011 20:53:06 GMT -5
So texcat since you can't read between the lines my list of suspects is as follows: colby11 Bill Ginger Paul and most recently Peeks for his insanely stupid vote for me because I joke voted him on day one. Looks like I may be going down for nothing more than posting things like I see them. I'm sorry if I offended you by not analyzing any of your posts. You haven't posted much and what you did post didn't twig me. There you have it. otey dotey. so your vote for me was somewhat expected no matter what, right. so you saw me as scum because i am me, right? or what the fuck prompted it? you vote for colby because, near as i can tell he made a "slip" and then defended it, right? then you vote for colby for the above reason as near as i can tell, right? that's just lazy, sin and i think you know it. but scum look for that kind of shit because it comes off all defensible and shit when really all it is was being opportunistic. but that is where i am currently in a quandry with you. you are one of the top echelon of folks that i am scared of but not terrified of. i mean your yellow meter is close to red, but not quite there. convince me that colby is scum outside of the context of his "slip" and subsequent defense. i'll move my vote. i am not an idiot and i do respect the cases you make. but right now it feels too fucking convenient for me. calls em as i sees em. i really really really want to see this reply.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 23, 2011 20:58:53 GMT -5
how come i am so absolutely fascinated with this post. ed is suggesting something outside of the box. at least for this board. and while i don't agree with his ouside of the boxiness the fact that he is willing to get off his tight ass way of playing this game is encouraging. i think we should all take a lesson from this. lynching liars is not a good default. lynching lurkers is not a good default. getting in folks grill is a good default. i dare wonder if we have a convert to the way this game can be played. You don't even have to get in someone's grill. You just have to stop looking for the same old things when the people who are Scum now were Town when we learned to look for those same old things and are therefore not likely to be doing those same old things. rut roh. now we have to wipe our ass with the other hand. i think we have gotten a touch stale. fuck that, i want the thrill of a vote and an "in grill" experience to quicken the heart rate and raise the blood pressure. we need to "take the gloves off". carp i have played with you folks enough to undertand that we are kind of passing friends. i want to be able to get down and nasty with each of you without pissing you off. and ed is right. yaknow that damn near killed me typing that last sentence.
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Post by special on Oct 23, 2011 21:03:29 GMT -5
I feel like the river card filled my inside straight.
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Post by sinjin on Oct 23, 2011 21:13:45 GMT -5
So texcat since you can't read between the lines my list of suspects is as follows: colby11 Bill Ginger Paul and most recently Peeks for his insanely stupid vote for me because I joke voted him on day one. Looks like I may be going down for nothing more than posting things like I see them. I'm sorry if I offended you by not analyzing any of your posts. You haven't posted much and what you did post didn't twig me. There you have it. otey dotey. so your vote for me was somewhat expected no matter what, right. so you saw me as scum because i am me, right? or what the fuck prompted it? you vote for colby because, near as i can tell he made a "slip" and then defended it, right? then you vote for colby for the above reason as near as i can tell, right? that's just lazy, sin and i think you know it. but scum look for that kind of shit because it comes off all defensible and shit when really all it is was being opportunistic. but that is where i am currently in a quandry with you. you are one of the top echelon of folks that i am scared of but not terrified of. i mean your yellow meter is close to red, but not quite there. convince me that colby is scum outside of the context of his "slip" and subsequent defense. i'll move my vote. i am not an idiot and i do respect the cases you make. but right now it feels too fucking convenient for me. calls em as i sees em. i really really really want to see this reply. I actually think you are scum now so nothing I say can convince you that I'm not. I joke voted you on day one. I do this every game. You know this well. You have put up no case for your vote for me except that I voted you Day one. I've already posted why I think Colby is scum. Why don't you post why you think I am. That's just lazy shit Peeks, to coin a phrase.
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