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Post by Paranoia on Oct 20, 2011 22:00:09 GMT -5
Morning comes, and for the first time in three days it seems no one has gone missing over night.
Still someone reported break ins all over town, and although nothing went missing, this does nothing to help the growing uneasiness clouding your mind.
Once more you trudge downtown to make yourself known, and to route out the less than reputable amongst yourselves.
No one died in the night.
Current Livelist: 1. Suburban Plankton 2. Paulwhoisaghost 3. Mr. Special Ed 4. Texcat 5. Inner Stickler 6. Peekercpa 7. Honest Moley 8. Sister Coyote 9. Silver Jan 10. Deni 11. Scathach, Drew, Vanilla townie, lynched day one. 12. moodymitchy 13. Pollux Oil 14. JustBeingGinger 15. Colby 16. Sinjin , was Septimus 17. Drain Bead 18. zuma 19. LightFoot 20. Deon 21. BillMC
Deadline is Sunday the 23rd at 10:00 PM CDT.
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Post by special on Oct 20, 2011 22:04:45 GMT -5
Hey, I'm not dead!
Someone must love me!
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Post by texcat on Oct 20, 2011 22:12:12 GMT -5
Hey! No one is dead. Did you have reason to think you might be a target, Ed?
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Post by special on Oct 20, 2011 22:12:59 GMT -5
Hey! No one is dead. Did you have reason to think you might be a target, Ed? No, I just was in another game I'm playing.
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Post by special on Oct 20, 2011 22:13:17 GMT -5
and maybe still a little bitter about it
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Post by texcat on Oct 20, 2011 22:15:45 GMT -5
Well, our doc seems to have done an outstanding job last night. Good work, doc!
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 20, 2011 23:10:12 GMT -5
I think no deaths tonight means several things:
1- scum targeted Death Bead and the doctor protected Death Bead.. Hopefully Death Bead got something (though that might be a longshot, checking to make sure what a tracker can do)
2- we don't have a town vigilante, or they just didn't decide to kill anyone last night (or forgot to send in the kill orders)
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 21, 2011 1:00:26 GMT -5
I think no deaths tonight means several things: 1- scum targeted Death Bead and the doctor protected Death Bead.. Hopefully Death Bead got something (though that might be a longshot, checking to make sure what a tracker can do) 2- we don't have a town vigilante, or they just didn't decide to kill anyone last night (or forgot to send in the kill orders) It's nice to wake up alive @ Colby, who is Death Bead? Are you making mistakes with names on purpose today just so that we all think it was just a typical mistake yesterday and not a scum slip?
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Post by BillMc on Oct 21, 2011 3:24:14 GMT -5
@ BillMc, is you name really Ed? If it was it might explain things. You know the post above being from Ed and we know Ed's not his real name? Nope lets vote for X because he's red lets vote for Y because he's green Typo - both should be X You know, I'm not really sure how an "uh?" is actually throwing colby under the bus, unless you thought you were drawing attention to his screwing up the names. Which I don't think you were; I'd read that post and was already going about it. How exactly did you attempt to throw colby11 under the bus with your first post of "uh?" I didn't - I never said I did. It had previously been suggested that my "uh?" was deliberately distancing myself from Colby's "slip" SiSc then said: Or, he's accidentally given himself and Bill away as having access to a board where they can talk to each other. I'm not ready to vote him yet, but it's as good a reason as any on Day One. Now the only folk who would normally have offboard communication are masons and scum. So either she's accusing Colby and I of being masons [ which a) would be a wierd accusation from a townie b) would be incredibly poor play on my part to potentially out a fellow mason ] or accusing Colby and I of being scum. It had previously been suggested that my "uh?" was calling attention to Colby's "slip" and me deliberately distancing myself from Colby's "slip" Well I would be a heartless bastard to bus a fellow scum with my first post of the game. If I were scum, and were going to bus a fellow scum, I would certainly be more decisive about it that a "uh?"
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Post by BillMc on Oct 21, 2011 3:25:31 GMT -5
These two posts of Colby's bug me: PS- Town Doctor- please protect Drain Bead.... I think no deaths tonight means several things: 1- scum targeted Death Bead and the doctor protected Death Bead.. Hopefully Death Bead got something (though that might be a longshot, checking to make sure what a tracker can do) 2- we don't have a town vigilante, or they just didn't decide to kill anyone last night (or forgot to send in the kill orders) So immediate acceptance of Drain's claim and for the Doc to protect Drain - despite not knowing what a tracker does? And getting Drain's name wrong - or is that the name Drain is using on another board? You seem to have assumed that the Scum would have gone after Drain. You've called for the Doc to protect Drain -- so irrespective of that, going after Drain would be a poor choice of target as there is a significant chance that she would be protected. The Doc could have protected someone else - and scum targeted that person. The scum killer could have been blocked, someone may have had a mass block (indeed both colby and drain have had this power in previous games) or the scum may have decided not to kill, or something else.
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Post by Drain Bead on Oct 21, 2011 4:24:17 GMT -5
Off to surgery in a few minutes.
What's up with the Death Bead?
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Oct 21, 2011 6:51:12 GMT -5
and maybe still a little bitter about it So any reason why you were on the boards at the end of the Day 1 and could not place a vote? You even unvoted peeker after the claim, which your vote on Peeker was the first post of the game and it goes without saying it was weak. The only thing you contributed to the game, was after I mentioned you and then you called me scummy. Vote Special EdOOG - I am moving today and driving all day tomorrow. I will check the boards when I can.
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Oct 21, 2011 9:42:48 GMT -5
So... some things I noticed at the end of the Day tomorrow but logged in too late to ask. @ Honest Moley.... that wasn't SisC... it was Sinjin. SisC might have quoted it.... but it was originally Sinjin that posted "If you feel colby is scum vote him, at this late date there is no way to get a paul lynch." Which, to me, kinda taints what I would otherwise agree with. I agree that people should vote for the person they think is scum... but if they find someone else scummier after that vote, then they should change their vote... regardless of whether it leads to a lynch or not. Sinjin's post seems skewed away from that line of thinking by the fact that she is voting for Colby... She's encouraging them to vote for Colby strictly because she doesn't think there's enough time to get me lynched? It muddies up their intentions... who do they think is scummiest? We don't know because they are voting for the person they think is the best vote out of the people they think likely to get lynched Today... Your comments here are way scummy paul. I encouraged sach to vote colby because her vote on you was pyrrhic. She thought colby was the scummiest (or at least that was what I discerned) but changed her vote to you because of your attacks on her. Her vote on you was obviously not going to lead to a lynch so there was no reason to keep the vote on you. I saw her vote as one that says "look at paul" when I turn up town. Town one off votes at the end of the day help no one. And yes at the end of the day you have to vote for the scummiest person you think you can get lynched. Vote for whoever you think is scummy during the day but at days end vote for the one you think is scummiest that can be actually lynched. Otherwise you vote one off and frequently a townie is lynched. You may or may not agree. Should we string you up for calling Scathach by Sachertorte's knickname? or wait.... My context (it seems not yours) was based on BD's claim. I got the impression there were no Night 0 actions (D1 colour included) so the accusations would have no fact base . I'm thinking now that you were really referring to the observation about a statement that would have fit nicely on the Scum board as any Who is BD? Maybe you think Lightfoot should be lynched for this "obvious slip". I know both of these examples are little off from the Colby situation yesterDay (Which he seems to be trying to make a repeat of toDay ). I get that he named a player that's in this game, you named one that isn't playing, and Lightfoot just mixed up the letters. The point is, you all just messed up. Although, the consistent repeating of Death Bead is a little over top and makes me think Colby is trying to justify why he called Ed Bill yessterDay... makes me think "Why not just let it go? Trying to further explain it by doing something silly like this just makes him seem scummy."
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Oct 21, 2011 9:44:03 GMT -5
Yesterday.... not Tomorrow.... Time travel is not part of my role.... I promise.
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Post by special on Oct 21, 2011 9:46:03 GMT -5
and maybe still a little bitter about it So any reason why you were on the boards at the end of the Day 1 and could not place a vote? You even unvoted peeker after the claim, which your vote on Peeker was the first post of the game and it goes without saying it was weak. The only thing you contributed to the game, was after I mentioned you and then you called me scummy. Vote Special EdOOG - I am moving today and driving all day tomorrow. I will check the boards when I can. I could have placed a vot. But I didn't. And, I contributed to the game. Maybe you should go back and look. But, for clarity sake, are you saying that I, as Scum, failed to contribute and didn't vote. And that these are things I wouldn't do were I town? Hmmm, OK, I doubt you'll find many who agree with that, but it's interesting to see you try to make a case out of something that has no Scum motivation. It leads me to believe that you might be a little desperate to make sure toDay's case doesn't move towards a buddy, eh?
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Oct 21, 2011 9:47:19 GMT -5
Off to surgery in a few minutes. What's up with the Death Bead? Oh c'mon! I hope all goes well, but really?!? You came on and posted and didn't give us any results?
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Post by moodymitchy on Oct 21, 2011 10:00:09 GMT -5
colby11 and their post instructing the Doc to protect Drain Bead late on yestrDay is one that stood out to me too...
Even disregarding the "slip" with a name at the start of Day 1. I wonder what their motives were for this post...
Why protect a tracker whose actions we don't know yet..
One possibility for me would be that SCUM (if indeed colby11 is SCUM) , have a watcher... so yeah great get the Doc to protect a "claimed" power... watch the "claimed" power and see who visits him that Night.... nice way to flush out the Doc me thinks...
I agree that it's too simple a solution to just say that the Doc did protect Drain Bead ... there are more possibilities than that as BillMc has outlined..
Also claiming Tracker.... sure it's a power but it's difficult for us to ask for results without lowering the pool...
Drain Bead posts that he's followed "player y" who did nothing.. now if "player y" is TOWN, SCUM would already know this but, would now possibly think that "player y" is more likely Vanilla. Lowering the pool for powers to hide in...
If they tracked "player y" and they visited someone... then likewise it highlights the probability "player y" has a power...
I feel that any results he gave just trying to prove the claim would do more harm than good... Perhaps that's why this role was chosen to claim.
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Post by moodymitchy on Oct 21, 2011 10:04:04 GMT -5
Off to surgery in a few minutes. What's up with the Death Bead? Oh c'mon! I hope all goes well, but really?!? You came on and posted and didn't give us any results? Perhaps BillMc's suggestion that there was a mass block in play... that would explain some part but I do believe that if that had been the case... surely Drain Bead would have mentioned this ?
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Oct 21, 2011 10:27:16 GMT -5
So any reason why you were on the boards at the end of the Day 1 and could not place a vote? You even unvoted peeker after the claim, which your vote on Peeker was the first post of the game and it goes without saying it was weak. The only thing you contributed to the game, was after I mentioned you and then you called me scummy. Vote Special EdOOG - I am moving today and driving all day tomorrow. I will check the boards when I can. I could have placed a vot. But I didn't. And, I contributed to the game. Maybe you should go back and look. But, for clarity sake, are you saying that I, as Scum, failed to contribute and didn't vote. And that these are things I wouldn't do were I town? Hmmm, OK, I doubt you'll find many who agree with that, but it's interesting to see you try to make a case out of something that has no Scum motivation. It leads me to believe that you might be a little desperate to make sure toDay's case doesn't move towards a buddy, eh? You two just can't seem to leave each other alone... let's see if Ginger has a leg to stand on since she didn't quote anything to support her argument. BillEd's Participation so far.... heheheReply #1 Joke vote for Peeker. Then he doesn't come back until poked... 3 pages later. Reply #114 You rang? Reply # 115 Responds to Ginger Reply# 117 Displays suspicion of Ginger... seems she awakened the sleeping dagron. Reply# 120 Repeats his suspicion of Ginger Reply# 121 I wasn't sure what he meant by this the first read through... I get it now. Scoffing at DB's vote. Replay #240 Jumps about 120 posts... admits to skimming and sparks the whole "impactful voting" debate. Reply# 253 Just does it to annoy people... Real helpful, Ed... thanks Reply # 254 Comments that his single word post of "Bah" has gained some traction... I can't speak for the rest of the players who didn't like DB's vote, but at the time of Ed's post I didn't know what the hell he was talking about... Reply# 269 Anal Fluff Reply# 285 Following DB's claim of Town Power Role, Ed unvotes Peeker as a joke. Reply# 293 "Isn't this exciting?" Yeah Ed... real exciting... we might lynch a power role... while you sit back and eat some popcorn. Reply# 295 Smudges Ginger. Reply# 297 Questions Ginger about DB's accusation against Jan and Deni... comments that it was originally posted by Moody. Reply# 302 Doesn't understand Lightfoot's response to the question he asked Ginger. That's everything he posted yesterDay.... not much there... and pretty much all of it revolved around Ginger. Something I note is that even though he kept expressing suspicion of Ginger, his vote was on Peeker as a joke vote almost the whole Day. Then he said he wanted to make an impactful vote against DB or Ginger.... and later DB was tied for the lead.... so why didn't he vote for DB then? He was online... he posted right after DB's claim and he unvoted Peeker.... but never revoted. I get mixed signals here... it's like he started out actually playing and making accusations against Ginger (although I suppose this could be scum posturing) and then towards the end of the Day it's like he just doesn't give a shit anymore and he's just messing around. It's like he was bored or something and thinks it's hilarious that we were all scrambling around trying to get someone other than DB in the lead. So Ed... Why did you remain neutral? You said earlier that you wanted to place an impactful vote for DB.... I think it would have been pretty impactful if you had moved your vote from Peeker to DB after DB's claim. I guess you could say that you didn't think lynching a claimed power role was a good idea... but if that's the case then why didn't you help put someone else in the vote lead instead of just antagonizing us from the side lines?
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Oct 21, 2011 10:35:40 GMT -5
Oh c'mon! I hope all goes well, but really?!? You came on and posted and didn't give us any results? Perhaps BillMc's suggestion that there was a mass block in play... that would explain some part but I do believe that if that had been the case... surely Drain Bead would have mentioned this ? Yeah... you guys should stop talking about a mass role block... Possibilities a) One didn't happen and by suggesting it as a possibility you are telling scum you either don't have a power or you didn't use it last Night. b)One didn't happen and you are trying to throw scum off by making it seem like you don't have a power... which will also make any subsequent claim from you less believable. c) One did happen and you are hinting that you believe this is true because your power didn't take effect last Night. d) One didn't happen but you were roleblocked and so you think it's possible one did happen, thus telling scum that you are a power role. e) One did happen, but you suggesting it was just speculation and you don't have a power role. f) I dunno... any thing else involved in helping scum figure out who does and does not have a power role... The point is, this is a dangerous road and it almost seems like a tricky way for one or both of you to get a VT or a power role to say something that reveals whether or not they have a power...
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Oct 21, 2011 10:36:49 GMT -5
NETA, and upon further review... you're right Mitch... it's probably a bad idea for DB to post any results that could have a negative impact on Town... I didn't think that one through.
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Post by moodymitchy on Oct 21, 2011 12:18:33 GMT -5
@ Paulwhoisaghost.
So you think that if I say.... "no ones come forward to say they don't feel well toDay"....
It means that I don't have a poisoning power... or that I just didn't use it ?
We were just discussing one of what could be many possibilities regarding why everyone got through the Night.
Though you agree that it's hard for Drain Bead to post any result he might have got without hurting TOWN. Do you feel that he should say whether he has received any results or not ?
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Oct 21, 2011 12:49:06 GMT -5
@ Paulwhoisaghost. So you think that if I say.... "no ones come forward to say they don't feel well toDay".... It means that I don't have a poisoning power... or that I just didn't use it ? We were just discussing one of what could be many possibilities regarding why everyone got through the Night. Though you agree that it's hard for Drain Bead to post any result he might have got without hurting TOWN. Do you feel that he should say whether he has received any results or not ? I don't understand your question... simply by you stating that no one has come forward to say they don't feel well today you are expressing knowledge that a poisoning ability would exist... so I don't think your (hopefully) hypothetical situation makes sense. As far a DB goes... he's already outed himself as having a power role... so him telling us whether or not he got results would tell us a few things. If he did, it tells us that there was no mass roleblock last night and that he didn't get roleblocked last night. If he didn't, then that tells us that he got roleblocked last night, but it doesn't prove there was a mass roleblock and further commentary of the possibility of a mass roleblock would still be bad because it could potentially out a power role.
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Oct 21, 2011 13:08:45 GMT -5
NETA... maybe a little more clarification would help you understand what I am saying Mitch.
Let's say BillMC has the power to turn someone into a frog. He targets Player X last Night, and when dawn comes he gets a message from the mod stating that his action didn't go through.
There also happens to be no kill on Night 1.
Bill posits that there was a mass roleblock. This tells scum that either he is just a vanilla coming up with ideas, or he's a power role who was blocked. In fact... if he was blocked by a scum Roleblocker, it would make them pretty sure Bill has a power because he came to that conclusion. If he hadn't said anything, they still wouldn't know if he has a power or not because role blocking succeeds no matter what... even on a VT.
In addition to this, anyone who comments on his idea of a mass role block could be at risk of telling scum if they have a power role or not. Those with power roles would see him present this possibility and think he was blocked and with them being blocked and no kill, it would be a logical idea... so supporting it would seem like a good idea... except that it would likely tell scum that they have a power role. Even worse would be if someone argued against the idea... that would tell scum that they definitely have a power role and were blocked as well.
Try out this scenario... Bill is scum... the scum decided not to kill on Night 1 and introduce the idea of a mass roleblock to see who responds and what their response tells them. Or they attempted a kill, which didn't succeed and they introduce the idea of a mass roleblock to keep the doc from knowing that he/she protected correctly and to see who steps forward with information that supports or denies a mass roleblock and garner role information from those people....
Their are too many ways that scum can gain information from this situation... information that serves no purpose to town but that would make it easier for scum to win. It's better to avoid the topic all together or to be extremely careful what you say while commenting on it so that you don't give any indication of whether or not you are VT or a power role.
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Post by moodymitchy on Oct 21, 2011 13:14:23 GMT -5
We were/are mooting ideas as to howcome everyone woke up toDay....
One idea that has been broached is a mass roleblock.... you're telling us NOT to discuss this because you feel that by doing so , we either have a power and are wondering howcome it never worked... or we don't have a power....
I just feel that you are trying to stifle discussion... maybe for the right reasons... so I just used another example to query whether anyone stating that something hadn't happened, that might have... means that the person that mentions it is possibly outing themselves as a power?
There's a few players that haven't posted yet toDay. Is it because they've been silenced ? Or have they just not read this yet?
There were a few players that failed to vote yesterDay. Was their vote stolen ? Or did they just not bother ?
I'm well known for asking questions and being accused of fishing along the way. I still haven't learnt how to ask questions in the right way and I mostly don't think along the same logical lines as some of you but, if I think of something that might be helpful , or I don't quite understand something I will ask.
There has to be some discussion and with this Day taking place over a weekend, we need all that we can get.
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Oct 21, 2011 14:01:05 GMT -5
I agree... I'm not saying don't discuss it as a possibility in a hypothetical scenario... but revealing your belief on it's possibility as it applies to this game could be dangerous.... so by all means, discuss the possibility of there being a mass roleblock... just be careful how you word things.... which makes me wary of a VT saying something that gives away that they are VT because they aren't worried about this kind of thing.
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Post by LightFoot on Oct 21, 2011 14:10:20 GMT -5
I don’t see many scenarios where Scum would choose to not kill last Night UNLESS
(and I’ve seen it happen before) IF Scum forgoes one Night’s Kill either they as a group or one of their members gains something for it. {in one case it was a Day kill}
The easy answer would be that Town has a roleblocker and they chose the correct person to block (but this assumes that Scum is required to have a designated killer)
At first I didn’t see any harm in Drain Bead letting us know if they were/werenot blocked
But now we have created a pushme pullyou.
If Drain was not blocked and tells us- ok fine. If Drain was blocked and doesn’t say either way (well that tells everyone that the block occurred doesn’t it?)
If an outside source (ie 3rd party/PFK/whatever you wanna call them) blocked everybody they are laughing their butt off now. (And I must say that would be a handy gadget for 3rd faction= but I would wager it would only be a one shot)
I don’t know about you but Drain Bead is Brain Dead every time I read it. My brain “fixes” the reversed letters I’ll remind myself to spell it out (response to my reversal of the initials)
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Post by moodymitchy on Oct 21, 2011 14:10:48 GMT -5
Fair enough.... I need to go back and read the last 3 pages of yesterDay...
Those are the ones that happened while I was asleep...
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Oct 21, 2011 14:32:45 GMT -5
I don’t see many scenarios where Scum would choose to not kill last Night UNLESS (and I’ve seen it happen before) IF Scum forgoes one Night’s Kill either they as a group or one of their members gains something for it. {in one case it was a Day kill} The easy answer would be that Town has a roleblocker and they chose the correct person to block (but this assumes that Scum is required to have a designated killer) At first I didn’t see any harm in Drain Bead letting us know if they were/werenot blocked But now we have created a pushme pullyou. If Drain was not blocked and tells us- ok fine. If Drain was blocked and doesn’t say either way (well that tells everyone that the block occurred doesn’t it?) If an outside source (ie 3rd party/PFK/whatever you wanna call them) blocked everybody they are laughing their butt off now. (And I must say that would be a handy gadget for 3rd faction= but I would wager it would only be a one shot) I don’t know about you but Drain Bead is Brain Dead every time I read it. My brain “fixes” the reversed letters I’ll remind myself to spell it out (response to my reversal of the initials) Why would the easy answer not be that the doc protected correctly? And the initial swap was innocent... I wasn't attempting to imply it wasn't... I was attempting to point out that I still feel the case against Colby was/is weaksauce.
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Post by moodymitchy on Oct 21, 2011 14:45:10 GMT -5
I've had a quick re read and this post pinged me a lot... Yes, and it makes no sense that folks are going after Colby but hand waving this one away. I don't think I've played with Deni before either, and the prodding may have been done before, but from my vantage point I can't see a pro-Town reason why a Town player would care about anyone else looking Scummy. As for 11th hour, Lightfoot, that's hardly fair. The last time I checked this thread, I was nowhere near in contention for the lead. Late bandwagons lead to late claims, and the former is more suspicious than the latter. I'm not liking the smudge you're putting on me for managing to find out that I might be the lynch leader two hours after feeling safe, and for being able to do something to fix it and keep Town from losing a pretty valuable role on a late swing. Would you have preferred I said nothing and died? Bolding and re sizing mine.... IF as they say themselves they were nowhere near in contention for the lead... why the hell claim at all ? Then very shortly after the claim we have their post #288 where they quote Silver Jan stating that they feel that her post should have obviously gone in the SCUM thread.. I'm just curious as to why? Drain Bead seemed in my opinion to be very keen to cast suspicion somewhere else but , were happy enough to keep their vote on colby11 rather than move it to someone who in their opinion had obviously mis posted ... I'd just like to point out that post #288 came before the post I have taken the trouble to post... I wouldn't want anyone accusing me of misrepresenting stuff. I'd like to hear more from them before I possibly place a vote.
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