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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 21, 2011 14:46:28 GMT -5
Right, I am here to discuss things. For a start I have no idea why there wasn't a Night Kill! Except if the doc protected them. I play a very simple game ,so , the Scum tried to kill someone that was protected.
I am still not happy about Colby changing names! I mean really Death Bead and Drain Bead, ye right
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Post by LightFoot on Oct 21, 2011 15:00:50 GMT -5
~~snipped~~ As for 11th hour, Lightfoot, that's hardly fair. The last time I checked this thread, I was nowhere near in contention for the lead. Late bandwagons lead to late claims, and the former is more suspicious than the latter. I'm not liking the smudge you're putting on me for managing to find out that I might be the lynch leader two hours after feeling safe, and for being able to do something to fix it and keep Town from losing a pretty valuable role on a late swing. Would you have preferred I said nothing and died? I had ment to address this as well This triggered that I'm the Town Tracker. Unvote someone. How very 11 th hour of you If you aren't and we have a tracker your toast is buttered when they decide to claim ( which I hope is held- if that's the case) My comment was spot on * it was the 11th hour *if we have one you’ll be outed eventually if you are lying *I don’t recommend a true tracker (again if we have one) out themselves right away I didn’t run up and give you a lost relative hug- just because someone types it does not make it true
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Post by LightFoot on Oct 21, 2011 15:08:18 GMT -5
Why would the easy answer not be that the doc protected correctly? ~snipped~. For it to be that “simple” *Doc protected DB as suggested and Scum was naïve enough to target DB anyway * Doc protected a random player and Scum just happened to choose them as their target Not impossible but I didn’t feel it. Anywho my response was to the suggestion that Scum decided not to kill last night (I’ll find the post for you if you missed it)
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Post by sinjin on Oct 21, 2011 15:16:33 GMT -5
Ok I just reread the whole day one thread and am doing a WoW and posting my take on some of the events. This is long so I'm breaking it into 3 posts. I've enclosed my comments in []'s
First off it wasn't until Peeks post #28 that anyone mentioned colby's Bill/Ed mistake.
The next mention of the slip was Deni's post #54:
Immediately after that post #55 is by colby11:
[Which is kind of weird because who were the everyone who "was so confused?" Only two people had mentioned it at that point. 2/=everyone]
SilverJan make the first scum buddy accusation in post #56 [1st vote for colby]
And then in post #59 scathach makes the vote that gets her lynched: [note that the newbie claim is attached a pertinent in context question for a newb to ask]
JustGinger then warns everyone off in post #60 .
SisCoyote replys to Ginger in #64:
And then Bill's weird post #67 (his second of the day), note I did not find a single post before this where anyone accused Bill of trying to distance himself from colby with his first "uh?" post. I may have missed it because I was distracted several times. If I did please point it out. Thanks. I hope I get the quote tags right.
[In the his reply to colby he most definitely distances himself. In his reply to Ginger he suggests she may be accused of pushing the colby thing under the rug (which subsequently happens).
His reply to SisC is the one that confused me and still does. It seems to be a complete non sequitur based on what he has said since then. So Bill I ask again what were you saying here? Small words will work for me. Thanks]
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Post by LightFoot on Oct 21, 2011 15:35:29 GMT -5
@ sinjin your comment here re Bill "His reply to SisC is the one that confused me and still does. It seems to be a complete non sequitur based on what he has said since then. So Bill I ask again what were you saying here? Small words will work for me. Thanks]"
I thought the same when Bill was responding to the bussing comments.
would love to add the quotes but the boss just walked in
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 21, 2011 15:36:24 GMT -5
You really don't see the justification for Drain Bead's claim? Interesting.
(And I'm tempted to put Ed in the town column because it seems clear to me he's playing one of his jacked up games with town and scum to see how much useless crap he can post before everyone just gets fed up.)
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Post by sinjin on Oct 21, 2011 15:37:12 GMT -5
PolluxOil pops in at #72 with the first ding on Scathach: [Overlooked here is that "I'm new here" was attached to a question about whether or not Special Ed was named Bill in real life.] OK tired of quoting I'm just going to summarize what I think people were saying from now on and continue putting my comments in []'s Post #73 is where I first state my confusion about Bill's post #67. Post #97 by HonestMoley: is leery of voting someone for mistyping a name...because...but he doesn't tell us why. Then defends Jan a bit to Ginger. Then goes off the rails and suggests that Colby could have been reading Peeker's posts and could have made the Bill/Ed link because of that? ? [Note Moley later takes this back in post #104] Then suggests that Colby made a similar slip in "Alice Mafia". [Is this true to we have a link?] Finally defends Scathach as a newb. Finally votes Pollux for singling out Scathach. Post #101 by moodymitchy: has big concerns regarding colby11 but needs to wait to see what might transpires and notes it's an easy place for anyone to put their vote. [Way to waffle moody. Tell us how you really feel.] Post #104 by Moley: thinks it's a leap to think that Colby made his mistake because he was chatting with Bill on scum boards earlier. Post #108 by LightFoot suggests that Colby might have been talking about Bill somewhere else rather than to him. [suggesting Colby is scummy but Bill is not?] Post #109 Ginger asks Colby how he knew peek's style of play and suggests maybe he found it out in the same scum thread he was discussing Bill with his fellow scummies. [So maybe colby is scummy but Bill is not, where have I heard that before?] Post #111 I vote colby because after rolling it around in my head I can't think of a town explanation for his slip. [Why would he have Bill on his brain at the very beginning of the game unless he was talking to Bill or he was talking about Bill somewhere else? Does anyone else have Bill on their brain at the beginning of a game? Excluding the case where you are scum and he is not. enquiring minds want to know.] Post #112 Peeks votes moody because moody pointed out it took peeker a long while to note colby's slip. peeks says he's got lots more to do than play with us [boo hoo] [Peeks posted something like 8 times before he got around to the colby slip.] Post #113 Peeks also wonders where colby got his Peeks info from and goes off to ponder it greatly.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Oct 21, 2011 15:39:33 GMT -5
Ok, no kills. And if "Wonderland" has taught us anything, it's taught us that I shouldn't ever try and interfere in discussions of "role mechanics". (My guess would be a universal night-kill stopper like Colby's from last game, but that would only be a guess.) Before I get into it, at the end of this game we HAVE to do something about the newbie situation. To say it paints this board in a bad light is an understatement. It's people being bullying jerks, plain and simple. Dunno how to prevent this happening over and over again, but it's absolutely ruining this board and throwing a massive negative over what are otherwise some very good games. I'm also watching the first three people who voted Scat. Like I said yesterday, the newbie is always the "easy" vote. (To use Inner Stickler's phrase.) The three votes were Pollux, Ginger, and Inner himself; and I'm not 100% satisfied with any of them, for reasons already given on Day One. I think there is a very strong likelihood of there being at least one scum within that group of three, and I wouldn't rule out the possibility of two. Now, to start off the voting with an elaboration of something I said yesterday about the following posts: I'm just wondering if that was a real slip or did you have one of your scum buddies on your mind. Vote Colby 11Oh dear, I certainly didn't mean to start a bandwagon on Colby, it was a D1 vote and the best that I could do at the time, it's nice to have more information now. I do find it interesting that a few people have jumped on it. I have made quite a few slips in my time so I do know that it can happen. It has really pinged me too that Drain Bead just jumped on the wagon like that and then left again. Colby has come back and given a defense by saying 1) he isn't scum and 2) when he was scum he could only talk at night, in some games scum might not have been able to talk all the time but I have been in games where they could talk whenever they wanted to, it's possible that this is one of those games. Although Drain Bead has really pinged me, I think I will keep my vote where it is, it could be scum voting for scum because Colby is the lynch leader. Do you know, Scathach's unvote of Colby has pinged me no end, why did she change her vote? Unvote Colby for an OMGYS vote on Paulwhoisaghost/goblin I don't like her change of vote. So I think I shall change my vote unvote Colbyvote ScathachI am still not sure if I have done the right thing and Colby is still very high on my scum list, I would rather vote for someone that I think is scummier. unvote all Vote Colby11 I know I could be wrong but I cannot go against my instincts I absolutely agree with you, I still think Colby is scum but there is no way to lynch him now, 'specially since you changed your vote. I think if you had kept your first vote in place we might have got a scum. I'm really not sure what to do now though. First post - definitive statement that Colby is scum. Yesterday I interprited this as a way to put a suspicion out there and start things talking, largely because somebody (I forget who) said Jan had a history of making quick-fire votes on the first day. HOWEVER... Second post - "It was a D1 vote and the best I could do at the time, it's nice to have more information now. But I shall keep my vote where it is." So you're not certain, but don't feel you have to change your vote. Ok, I get that. My problem here is the assumption that DrainBead would add to Colby's vote, if both of them are scum, when she could try and look for other targets to take attention off of her partner. Third post - " Scathach's unvote of Colby has pinged me no end, why did she change her vote?" I thought Scathach explained exactly why he changed his vote: Silver Jan seems to be trying to justify her vote here by saying that Scat's vote post is unclear, and that it's scummy to unvote the lynch leader in favour of the person you believe more strongly is scum. At the time Scat voted Paul though, they'd been openly suspecting each other in several posts. Even if you don't get the point of the actual voting post, the previous ones by Scat make it clear what his thoughts are. Fourth post - there is so much that's wrong with this. Jan's suspicions of Colby seem to be completely inconsistent - she accuses him outright in the first post I quoted, said "it was the best I could do at the time" and questions the people voting Colby in the second, unvotes him in the third, and announces she "still" thinks Colby is scum in the fourth. Then she's talking TO THE PERSON SHE'S ACTUALLY VOTING about how "we" might have got a scum. Finally, "it's too late". Too late? There were six hours left of Day one, with several people not having even voted yet. And finally she switches to Colby anyway. Which is reasonable if she genuinely suspects him. But this is after two people have "called her out" on her voting. This is what I meant by "perfect information syndrome" - at the end she's insistent Colby is scum, yet has only one name-slip to back it up. Ok, I can believe the initial vote as an attempt to get people talking, coupled with genuine suspicion of Colby's slip, if it wasn't for what came afterwards. I think Silver Jan felt she needed an excuse to justify her unvoting of Colby, so she made an unwarranted "tactical" vote of Scat. I also think that when she says "WE" might have caught a scum, it's a tacit admission that she doesn't believe Scat is scum. (If I believed somebody was scum, I wouldn't say to them " We would have caught X, if only you hadn't changed your vote.") Yet at the time she says it, she's still voting for Scat, and only switches her vote back to Colby later on after people have questioned her about it. Vote: Silver Jan.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Oct 21, 2011 15:52:48 GMT -5
Oh, and Sinjin, no, Colby never answered the point about whether he made a similar slip in "Alice in Wonderland". I just recall him coming under heavy suspicion for something he'd said early on that appeared to be some kind of a slip, but actually wasn't. I can't recall the exact circumstances and I'm not going to go looking for them in a past game. Colby might recall them, though.
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Post by moodymitchy on Oct 21, 2011 15:57:14 GMT -5
sinjin.... in response to your post today @ 16 past the hour.. (hope that makes sense) Love the opening, Paranoia. Bill- maybe Peeker is waiting for the right moment? or maybe this is a nicer Peeker? (and this might be a change, this is the first game I'm playing with Mr. Peeker) uh? So BillMc isn't querying here ? And I don't echo his sentiments in the very next post... here. I'll second that.......it's colour me confused as some here might say. And colby11 has a treat in store if this is his first Peeker experience. Which are both posted before peekercpa in post #28 Haven't read it all yet but had to comment on your statement that the first response was in post #28 which I believe to be completely untrue.
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Post by sinjin on Oct 21, 2011 16:16:29 GMT -5
Post #115 Ed pipes in with a non sequitur about two games colby has played on the idle board in response to Ginger's question about where colby learned about Peeker's play style. [ Colby alread stated this was his first game with Peeks.] Post #116 Ed summarizes Ginger's posts and suggests she comes off scummy
Post #118 Drainbead votes colby for his lack of defense.
Post # 119 Ginger says she takes his slip at face value [what does that mean?] didn't like the bandwagon forming on colby because most bandwagons fail on day 1. Joins moody for waffles in that she doesn't think colby's slip means he's 100% scum [who would know that day 1?] She has gotten names mixed up too and maybe something about colby knowing peekers play style. [Yep covered all the bases there]
Post # 122 Inner states the obvious [could be scummy, could be not] about the colby slip and says that if it was a scummy slip he'd rather vote Bill. then votes scathach for his easy vote, dismissing that the colby slip could possibly be scummy, not withstanding his first paragraph.
Post #123 Colby address lots of issues. He knows how peeks plays from watching him on GB. Then he states something interesting:
[But ya know what, no one ever accused him of bussing one of his scum buddies. The accusation was always that he slipped and used one of his buddies names, no throwing under the bus implied. And his problems suck scum balls too. ]
1-I'm not scum [bwahahahahahahahahha] 2- Based on my limited experience I would doubt that scum would be able to talk N0, therefore I could not have talked to my scum buddies N0 (IF I WAS SCUM) [see 1 above]
Post #124 Peeker says the same thing I just did only more colorfully but does not mention the bussing business.
Post #126 Colby doesn't like scathach's vote, but doesn't vote him back, is concerned by Deon's fluff post and wonders where zuma and SisC have been.
Post #129 Colby lists the people he's looking at: Drainbead: doesn't like her vote, not because it's on him but because it's her first post. Zuma: Only made one post and brought nothing to the table. SisC had three posts so she's off the hook.
Votes Drain for reason above. [good on you zuma you didn't vote for colby so you get a pass, but he's not voting for Drain because she voted for him, nope, not at all]
Post #133 Paul finally stops sniffing around peeker's ass to relate that he thinks the Colby slip was innocent and he is therefor suspicious of Silverjan, Scathach, sinjin, and Drainbead
votes Drainbead
Post #134 SilverJan doesn't like Drainbead's vote either but keeps her vote on Colby
Post #135 Drainbead explains her vote on Colby
Post #136 scathach explains her vote on Colby, [which is opposite of Drainbeads, hee]
Post #137 Ginger votes scathach for adding "I guess" to her vote.
Post #141 Ginger: "I am not saying that I don't think Colby is scum, I don't know what his alignment is." [Does that me you do think Colby is scum Ginger?]
Post #142 scathach accuses Ginger of being overly defensive of Colby and puts Ginger on his scum list.
Post #143 Ginger denies she is defending Colby. [bwhahahahaha]
Post #144 SisC defends Colby's reaction to Drain and needs to go back and read and just hasn't felt like talking much.
Post #145 Deni understands the votes on Colby but she has made slips before too, didn't like his first response but doesn't think there could be a good response and likes to see him skirm anyway.
Post #146 Paul: blah, blah, blah.....attacks scathach for putting Ginger on his scum list and categorically states that Ginger is NOT defending Colby [really?] states if Colby really was scum his scum buddies would be jumping on the bus mobile by now [really?] no, wait they might one-off vote instead, they would never, ever vote against someone who voted for scummy Colby [really?] If Colby flips scum we should look at people who defended him early and then got quiet [who would that be?] or those who added weak votes on him at the end [what about those one off voters Paul?]
Post #153 PolluxOil states there are several scenarios already provided that explain why Colby wrote Bill instead of Ed. [Where are these scenarios, the only one I saw was that Colby was talking to others about Bill somewhere else? Colby never posted one either.]
Post #155 Paul states that all the votes on Colby are poor and that the latter ones are worse.
Post #157 Pollux thinks scathach is OMGUSy on Ginger even though he also thinks Ginger has definitely been defensive of Colby so he votes Scathach.
Post #160 Paul, blah, blah, blah... I'm voting scathach because she got all OMGUS on Ginger without a real case [except for that defending Colby thing] or maybe scathach is setting Ginger up for a mislynch by bussing his scum buddy Colby or maybe Ginger and scathach are scum buddies and are just fighting to throw us off the scent or maybe scathach is just a lazy townie. [WOW you forgot maybe scathach is an alien from outer space who wants to eat your brain] But over all I think Drains vote is the weakest so I'll vote scathach. [WOW]
Post # 172 SubPlank says what I said above more clearly and votes Paul
Post #173 Moody asks why SubPlank didn't vote for Colby instead of Paul and seal Colby's fate
Post #175 Deni likes SubPlanks case against Paul
Post #176 Paul calls scathach an OMGUSer again
Post #178 Deni doesn't think that paul would try to save a scum buddy ever
Post #179 Deni is pinged by scathach's vote on paul
Post #183 SubPlank thinks maybe scathach really is scum for his Paul vote and comments
Post #186 Paul blah, blah, blah bwaaaaaah I'm only trying to lynch scum, why are you picking on me. [How's that nasty mislynch after taste in your mouth today Paul?]
scathach changes her vote back to Colby and we get an interlude where we all contemplate what does it really mean?
And now Colby and scathach are tied again.
Post #226 SisC thinks you should vote for the scummiest even if there is no chance to lynch them. [really? even if you think the lynch leader is really scummy too and you are currently TIED for lynch leader?]
Post #242 Deni, votes Drain
Post #252 long post by Moley [hah, mine is going to be longer] doesn't like my telling scathatch to revote Colby, agrees and disagrees with lotsopeople, at the end decides the competing wagons on Drain, Colby and Scathach indicate that one of them is scum then decides that one is Drain and votes her.
and now it gets exciting
Post #262 Lightfoot votes colby and he is in the lead!
Post #276 texcat votes Drain
Post #283 Drain claims tracker
Post #285 Ed unvotes peeker, [w00t the fucking w00t]
post #286 texcat unvotes drain
#287 colby unvotes drain and votes scathath and suggest the dr protect drain
Post #292 texcat votes scathach and she is in the lead
And scathach is the winner, poor noob, as a consolation prize you get spoilers and get to say bad stuff about us all in the spoiled thread. Please don't be scared off. Get right back in the next game!!!!
I have to go pick up my grandbaby from daycare now, type to you all later!
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Post by Holy Moley! on Oct 21, 2011 16:24:39 GMT -5
Post #252 long post by Moley [hah, mine is going to be longer] I get SHORTEST post though.
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Post by Drain Bead on Oct 21, 2011 16:47:53 GMT -5
I've had a quick re read and this post pinged me a lot... Yes, and it makes no sense that folks are going after Colby but hand waving this one away. I don't think I've played with Deni before either, and the prodding may have been done before, but from my vantage point I can't see a pro-Town reason why a Town player would care about anyone else looking Scummy. As for 11th hour, Lightfoot, that's hardly fair. The last time I checked this thread, I was nowhere near in contention for the lead. Late bandwagons lead to late claims, and the former is more suspicious than the latter. I'm not liking the smudge you're putting on me for managing to find out that I might be the lynch leader two hours after feeling safe, and for being able to do something to fix it and keep Town from losing a pretty valuable role on a late swing. Would you have preferred I said nothing and died? Bolding and re sizing mine.... IF as they say themselves they were nowhere near in contention for the lead... why the hell claim at all ? Then very shortly after the claim we have their post #288 where they quote Silver Jan stating that they feel that her post should have obviously gone in the SCUM thread.. I'm just curious as to why? Drain Bead seemed in my opinion to be very keen to cast suspicion somewhere else but , were happy enough to keep their vote on colby11 rather than move it to someone who in their opinion had obviously mis posted ... I'd just like to point out that post #288 came before the post I have taken the trouble to post... I wouldn't want anyone accusing me of misrepresenting stuff. I'd like to hear more from them before I possibly place a vote. The last time I checked the thread before my claim was about two hours pre-claim, with three hours left in the day. I had maybe one vote on me. I came back with an hour left and the post before mine said I was now the lynch leader. I claimed based on that. LightFoot accused me of an 11th-hour claim, which was only in response to a 10th hour bandwagon. Blaming me for having to claim late in that situation was highly unfair. And I thought my reason for not switching late was obvious (in fact, I think I said as much then), but I'll spell it out for you. I WAS IN DANGER OF BEING LYNCHED. I had to keep a vote on someone with more votes on me, but I wanted to point out something I found suspicious.
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Post by special on Oct 21, 2011 16:51:16 GMT -5
So Ed... Why did you remain neutral? You said earlier that you wanted to place an impactful vote for DB.... I think it would have been pretty impactful if you had moved your vote from Peeker to DB after DB's claim. I guess you could say that you didn't think lynching a claimed power role was a good idea... but if that's the case then why didn't you help put someone else in the vote lead instead of just antagonizing us from the side lines? Interesting questions. But the answers wouldn't really shed any light on my alignment, would they? Yes, you can not like how I've played, that's fine. But where is there any indication that playing this way would have a perceived benefit to me if I were Scum?
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Post by Drain Bead on Oct 21, 2011 16:53:44 GMT -5
As for results. I'd like to keep target and results under wraps, but I will say this: I was not blocked.
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Post by special on Oct 21, 2011 16:54:33 GMT -5
I've had a quick re read and this post pinged me a lot... Yes, and it makes no sense that folks are going after Colby but hand waving this one away. I don't think I've played with Deni before either, and the prodding may have been done before, but from my vantage point I can't see a pro-Town reason why a Town player would care about anyone else looking Scummy. As for 11th hour, Lightfoot, that's hardly fair. The last time I checked this thread, I was nowhere near in contention for the lead. Late bandwagons lead to late claims, and the former is more suspicious than the latter. I'm not liking the smudge you're putting on me for managing to find out that I might be the lynch leader two hours after feeling safe, and for being able to do something to fix it and keep Town from losing a pretty valuable role on a late swing. Would you have preferred I said nothing and died? Bolding and re sizing mine.... IF as they say themselves they were nowhere near in contention for the lead... why the hell claim at all ? Then very shortly after the claim we have their post #288 where they quote Silver Jan stating that they feel that her post should have obviously gone in the SCUM thread.. I'm just curious as to why? Drain Bead seemed in my opinion to be very keen to cast suspicion somewhere else but , were happy enough to keep their vote on colby11 rather than move it to someone who in their opinion had obviously mis posted ... I'd just like to point out that post #288 came before the post I have taken the trouble to post... I wouldn't want anyone accusing me of misrepresenting stuff. I'd like to hear more from them before I possibly place a vote. Someone has probably already commented in this, but I parsed it as this: 1. The last time, before claiming, drain had checked the thread, there was no danger of a lynching.
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Post by special on Oct 21, 2011 16:55:44 GMT -5
You really don't see the justification for Drain Bead's claim? Interesting. (And I'm tempted to put Ed in the town column because it seems clear to me he's playing one of his jacked up games with town and scum to see how much useless crap he can post before everyone just gets fed up.) There's useful crap in there. There always is.
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Post by special on Oct 21, 2011 16:59:49 GMT -5
Post #116 Ed summarizes Ginger's posts and suggests she comes off scummy Good luck getting anyone else to agree. Everyone is busy looking for 'play I don't like' rather than play with potential Scum-motivation Silly me for pointing out Scum-motivated play. Maybe I should have just said that I didn't like it. And yes, Ginger's play today can still be seen as possibly Scum motivated. It's really not that complicated. Of course, as she points out, my play is less popular. I wonder why I would do that...?
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 21, 2011 17:35:58 GMT -5
[really? even if you think the lynch leader is really scummy too and you are currently TIED for lynch leader?] Actually, yes. Even if I think the lynch leader is really Scummy and I'm tied. I would then make a case on my personally scummiest candidate and vote for them, doing my best to counter the case against me, in the interest of Town having my case to go on. And, if I change some minds, great. YMMV and obviously does. But where is there any indication that playing this way would have a perceived benefit to me if I were Scum? Ed, for the love of pete. Anyway. Sinjin's made most of my case on Ginger going through; so I'm just going to Vote: Vote: JustBeingGinger
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 21, 2011 17:36:19 GMT -5
tag fail again.
Sigh.
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Post by sinjin on Oct 21, 2011 17:47:03 GMT -5
sinjin.... in response to your post today @ 16 past the hour.. (hope that makes sense) So BillMc isn't querying here ? And I don't echo his sentiments in the very next post... here. I'll second that.......it's colour me confused as some here might say. And colby11 has a treat in store if this is his first Peeker experience. Which are both posted before peekercpa in post #28 Haven't read it all yet but had to comment on your statement that the first response was in post #28 which I believe to be completely untrue.[/quote] Sorry about that moody, I didn't consider "uh?" much of a comment nor your essential "ditto" either. I've mentioned the uh? post at least a 1/2 dozen times already. Would you like to expand more on your ditto post?
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Post by Drain Bead on Oct 21, 2011 18:10:26 GMT -5
SisC, I assume you were referring to my not changing my vote late--your quote is not parsing on my phone. If I were VT, I might think that way, but as a Town power role, not doing everything I could to avoid my lynch is highly irresponsible play. It's not like I wasn't also voting for someone I believed to be Scum, after all. There's more than one Scum in the pond.
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Oct 21, 2011 18:33:03 GMT -5
I've had a quick re read and this post pinged me a lot... Yes, and it makes no sense that folks are going after Colby but hand waving this one away. I don't think I've played with Deni before either, and the prodding may have been done before, but from my vantage point I can't see a pro-Town reason why a Town player would care about anyone else looking Scummy. As for 11th hour, Lightfoot, that's hardly fair. The last time I checked this thread, I was nowhere near in contention for the lead. Late bandwagons lead to late claims, and the former is more suspicious than the latter. I'm not liking the smudge you're putting on me for managing to find out that I might be the lynch leader two hours after feeling safe, and for being able to do something to fix it and keep Town from losing a pretty valuable role on a late swing. Would you have preferred I said nothing and died? Bolding and re sizing mine.... IF as they say themselves they were nowhere near in contention for the lead... why the hell claim at all ? Then very shortly after the claim we have their post #288 where they quote Silver Jan stating that they feel that her post should have obviously gone in the SCUM thread.. I'm just curious as to why? Drain Bead seemed in my opinion to be very keen to cast suspicion somewhere else but , were happy enough to keep their vote on colby11 rather than move it to someone who in their opinion had obviously mis posted ... I'd just like to point out that post #288 came before the post I have taken the trouble to post... I wouldn't want anyone accusing me of misrepresenting stuff. I'd like to hear more from them before I possibly place a vote. Umm.... Prior to this post... I'm the Town Tracker. Unvote someone. His last post was here... It really irks me that people are trying to polarize this, as if we HAVE to be on opposite sides to have come up to the conclusions we did. I really don't like the "if A is Town, B must be Scum" logic in general, just because of how often it's wrong, but I especially don't like it here. At the time of that post he had 2 votes... with Colby having 4 and Scathach having 4... So he wasn't in the contention for the lead... But after that post he gained 2 votes... putting him at 4... So Colby had 5, Scathach had 4, and DB had 4. Making it really easy for scum to swing the vote to whomever they wanted dead... or for anyone who hadn't voted yet to come in and suddenly have an opinion or desire to make an "impactful" vote. I see his claim being out of self defense as quite possible. Whether it's true or not.
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 21, 2011 19:18:00 GMT -5
Oh, and Sinjin, no, Colby never answered the point about whether he made a similar slip in "Alice in Wonderland". I just recall him coming under heavy suspicion for something he'd said early on that appeared to be some kind of a slip, but actually wasn't. I can't recall the exact circumstances and I'm not going to go looking for them in a past game. Colby might recall them, though. I don't remember for certain, but I think that I got some fire for using the phrase that I had to use in order to block all kills on Night 1 Either that or I keep calling making up names for people (again...) (off to read the rest of today)
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Oct 21, 2011 19:47:44 GMT -5
Post #115 Ed pipes in with a non sequitur about two games colby has played on the idle board in response to Ginger's question about where colby learned about Peeker's play style. [ Colby alread stated this was his first game with Peeks.] Post #116 Ed summarizes Ginger's posts and suggests she comes off scummy
Post #118 Drainbead votes colby for his lack of defense.
Post # 119 Ginger says she takes his slip at face value [what does that mean?] didn't like the bandwagon forming on colby because most bandwagons fail on day 1. Joins moody for waffles in that she doesn't think colby's slip means he's 100% scum [who would know that day 1?] She has gotten names mixed up too and maybe something about colby knowing peekers play style. [Yep covered all the bases there]
Post # 122 Inner states the obvious [could be scummy, could be not] about the colby slip and says that if it was a scummy slip he'd rather vote Bill. then votes scathach for his easy vote, dismissing that the colby slip could possibly be scummy, not withstanding his first paragraph.
Post #123 Colby address lots of issues. He knows how peeks plays from watching him on GB. Then he states something interesting:
[But ya know what, no one ever accused him of bussing one of his scum buddies. The accusation was always that he slipped and used one of his buddies names, no throwing under the bus implied. And his problems suck scum balls too. ]
1-I'm not scum [bwahahahahahahahahha] 2- Based on my limited experience I would doubt that scum would be able to talk N0, therefore I could not have talked to my scum buddies N0 (IF I WAS SCUM) [see 1 above]
Post #124 Peeker says the same thing I just did only more colorfully but does not mention the bussing business.
Post #126 Colby doesn't like scathach's vote, but doesn't vote him back, is concerned by Deon's fluff post and wonders where zuma and SisC have been.
Post #129 Colby lists the people he's looking at: Drainbead: doesn't like her vote, not because it's on him but because it's her first post. Zuma: Only made one post and brought nothing to the table. SisC had three posts so she's off the hook.
Votes Drain for reason above. [good on you zuma you didn't vote for colby so you get a pass, but he's not voting for Drain because she voted for him, nope, not at all]
Post #133 Paul finally stops sniffing around peeker's ass to relate that he thinks the Colby slip was innocent and he is therefor suspicious of Silverjan, Scathach, sinjin, and Drainbead
votes Drainbead
Post #134 SilverJan doesn't like Drainbead's vote either but keeps her vote on Colby
Post #135 Drainbead explains her vote on Colby
Post #136 scathach explains her vote on Colby, [which is opposite of Drainbeads, hee]
Post #137 Ginger votes scathach for adding "I guess" to her vote.
Post #141 Ginger: "I am not saying that I don't think Colby is scum, I don't know what his alignment is." [Does that me you do think Colby is scum Ginger?]
Post #142 scathach accuses Ginger of being overly defensive of Colby and puts Ginger on his scum list.
Post #143 Ginger denies she is defending Colby. [bwhahahahaha]
Post #144 SisC defends Colby's reaction to Drain and needs to go back and read and just hasn't felt like talking much.
Post #145 Deni understands the votes on Colby but she has made slips before too, didn't like his first response but doesn't think there could be a good response and likes to see him skirm anyway.
Post #146 Paul: blah, blah, blah.....attacks scathach for putting Ginger on his scum list and categorically states that Ginger is NOT defending Colby [really?] states if Colby really was scum his scum buddies would be jumping on the bus mobile by now [really?] no, wait they might one-off vote instead, they would never, ever vote against someone who voted for scummy Colby [really?] If Colby flips scum we should look at people who defended him early and then got quiet [who would that be?] or those who added weak votes on him at the end [what about those one off voters Paul?]
Post #153 PolluxOil states there are several scenarios already provided that explain why Colby wrote Bill instead of Ed. [Where are these scenarios, the only one I saw was that Colby was talking to others about Bill somewhere else? Colby never posted one either.]
Post #155 Paul states that all the votes on Colby are poor and that the latter ones are worse.
Post #157 Pollux thinks scathach is OMGUSy on Ginger even though he also thinks Ginger has definitely been defensive of Colby so he votes Scathach.
Post #160 Paul, blah, blah, blah... I'm voting scathach because she got all OMGUS on Ginger without a real case [except for that defending Colby thing] or maybe scathach is setting Ginger up for a mislynch by bussing his scum buddy Colby or maybe Ginger and scathach are scum buddies and are just fighting to throw us off the scent or maybe scathach is just a lazy townie. [WOW you forgot maybe scathach is an alien from outer space who wants to eat your brain] But over all I think Drains vote is the weakest so I'll vote scathach. [WOW]
Post # 172 SubPlank says what I said above more clearly and votes Paul
Post #173 Moody asks why SubPlank didn't vote for Colby instead of Paul and seal Colby's fate
Post #175 Deni likes SubPlanks case against Paul
Post #176 Paul calls scathach an OMGUSer again
Post #178 Deni doesn't think that paul would try to save a scum buddy ever
Post #179 Deni is pinged by scathach's vote on paul
Post #183 SubPlank thinks maybe scathach really is scum for his Paul vote and comments
Post #186 Paul blah, blah, blah bwaaaaaah I'm only trying to lynch scum, why are you picking on me. [How's that nasty mislynch after taste in your mouth today Paul?]
scathach changes her vote back to Colby and we get an interlude where we all contemplate what does it really mean?
And now Colby and scathach are tied again.
Post #226 SisC thinks you should vote for the scummiest even if there is no chance to lynch them. [really? even if you think the lynch leader is really scummy too and you are currently TIED for lynch leader?]
Post #242 Deni, votes Drain
Post #252 long post by Moley [hah, mine is going to be longer] doesn't like my telling scathatch to revote Colby, agrees and disagrees with lotsopeople, at the end decides the competing wagons on Drain, Colby and Scathach indicate that one of them is scum then decides that one is Drain and votes her.
and now it gets exciting
Post #262 Lightfoot votes colby and he is in the lead!
Post #276 texcat votes Drain
Post #283 Drain claims tracker
Post #285 Ed unvotes peeker, [w00t the fucking w00t]
post #286 texcat unvotes drain
#287 colby unvotes drain and votes scathath and suggest the dr protect drain
Post #292 texcat votes scathach and she is in the lead
And scathach is the winner, poor noob, as a consolation prize you get spoilers and get to say bad stuff about us all in the spoiled thread. Please don't be scared off. Get right back in the next game!!!!
I have to go pick up my grandbaby from daycare now, type to you all later!Wow... not only did you misrepresent or skim over pretty much every thing I said yesterDay, you managed to be as mean about it as you could.... when did you turn into such a bitch?
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 21, 2011 19:51:56 GMT -5
These two posts of Colby's bug me: PS- Town Doctor- please protect Drain Bead.... I think no deaths tonight means several things: 1- scum targeted Death Bead and the doctor protected Death Bead.. Hopefully Death Bead got something (though that might be a longshot, checking to make sure what a tracker can do) 2- we don't have a town vigilante, or they just didn't decide to kill anyone last night (or forgot to send in the kill orders) So immediate acceptance of Drain's claim and for the Doc to protect Drain - despite not knowing what a tracker does? And getting Drain's name wrong - or is that the name Drain is using on another board? You seem to have assumed that the Scum would have gone after Drain. You've called for the Doc to protect Drain -- so irrespective of that, going after Drain would be a poor choice of target as there is a significant chance that she would be protected. The Doc could have protected someone else - and scum targeted that person. The scum killer could have been blocked, someone may have had a mass block (indeed both colby and drain have had this power in previous games) or the scum may have decided not to kill, or something else. Death Bead, Drain Bead.... Death Bead sounds alot better But note to self- check names before posting anymore... For the time being, I am accepting the fact that the claim is real. I had an idea what the tracker did, I just wanted to make sure that I remembered it correctly (cause I can't seem to remember names anymore) There are several possibilities why there was no night kill, we most likely won't have a good idea which it could be until Day 3.
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Oct 21, 2011 20:01:28 GMT -5
So Ed... Why did you remain neutral? You said earlier that you wanted to place an impactful vote for DB.... I think it would have been pretty impactful if you had moved your vote from Peeker to DB after DB's claim. I guess you could say that you didn't think lynching a claimed power role was a good idea... but if that's the case then why didn't you help put someone else in the vote lead instead of just antagonizing us from the side lines? Interesting questions. But the answers wouldn't really shed any light on my alignment, would they? Yes, you can not like how I've played, that's fine. But where is there any indication that playing this way would have a perceived benefit to me if I were Scum? Because it doesn't require you to take a stance on anything? Allows you to just cruise along for the majority of the game under the guise that you "aren't doing anything scummy". But maybe you're right... maybe this is the best way to play... after Sinjin's latest post, I think I'm just gonna take a page out of your book and just troll the thread with random non-alignment indicating posts that don't really help anyone find scum.
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Post by LightFoot on Oct 21, 2011 20:04:30 GMT -5
You really don't see the justification for Drain Bead's claim? Interesting. (And I'm tempted to put Ed in the town column because it seems clear to me he's playing one of his jacked up games with town and scum to see how much useless crap he can post before everyone just gets fed up.) Was the first bit directed at me?
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Post by LightFoot on Oct 21, 2011 20:35:24 GMT -5
~snipped quote~ Wow... not only did you misrepresent or skim over pretty much every thing I said yesterDay, you managed to be as mean about it as you could.... when did you turn into such a bitch? Was that last line necessary? It strikes a nerve. attack the avatar/character not the person?
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Post by special on Oct 21, 2011 21:25:26 GMT -5
Interesting questions. But the answers wouldn't really shed any light on my alignment, would they? Yes, you can not like how I've played, that's fine. But where is there any indication that playing this way would have a perceived benefit to me if I were Scum? Because it doesn't require you to take a stance on anything? Allows you to just cruise along for the majority of the game under the guise that you "aren't doing anything scummy". But maybe you're right... maybe this is the best way to play... after Sinjin's latest post, I think I'm just gonna take a page out of your book and just troll the thread with random non-alignment indicating posts that don't really help anyone find scum. Now you're misrepresenting both me and you. First, you questioned me on remaining neutral. You supported that with the fact that I didn't vote for Drain Bead. At a time after Drain bead had claimed, using a comment I had made before Drain Bead had claimed as evidence that I should have voted. Also, you accuse me of trolling instead of making cases. This ignores the case I supported (and prodded with my 'bah!') against Drain bead before the claim. it also ignores the case I built against Ginger. So, again, you may not have liked my style of participation, but until you actually attempt to assign it any Scum motivation, I see no need to defend myself for what you've characterized as 'trolling' (which I did without calling anyone a bitch, btw ) Of course, I have defended myself against remaining neutral, which I quite obviously didn't as you yourself have already pointed out quite well.
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