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Post by texcat on Oct 27, 2011 21:19:42 GMT -5
I agree that a claim by the lynch leader is mostly a null-tell. I disagree with moody's characterization of it as an early, no-pressure claim. And I wonder why he continues to characterize it that way.
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Post by special on Oct 27, 2011 22:14:33 GMT -5
Posting as I catch up Could I just put my reasoning another way.... If someone claimed Cop on Day one without much pressure on them.... By Day 3 , would we be expecting them to give us their results ? Or would we just let them carry on ? Mostly I would say, yes I would expect results. However, one open game I was playing we had a cop and a doc. Our cop had claimed Day 2 but said nothing until the doc was killed 3 nights later. The difference here is, one, we don't know if we have a doc and second, a tracker isn't going to give us alignment. Interestingly enough if a scum was going to false claim a role a tracker would be a good one, not exactly useful information. I would think if you're willing to claim a role for what ever reason you should be willing to use/share your information with the town. Also my thoughts on the no NK on night one, I think Sister Coyote was night one's NK with a delayed reaction. I have considered that maybe Ed was the orginal target due to his pm "someone loved me more than life itself" but I don't know what kind of role that would be "a redirecting doc"..? Maybe Sister Coyote's death and Special Ed pm aren't related, just throwing my thoughts out there. The colour does make it seem that Suburban Plankton and Sinjin's death's were connected and was Sinjin's fault, but how does that make sense? Interesting. So maybe I was the Night 1 ScumKill target (A recent and very disturbing trend) and Sister was a delayed death bodyguard? possible, I suppose
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Post by special on Oct 27, 2011 22:16:04 GMT -5
I posted the fact that my results strongly hinted at VT for a reason. I knew that it would likely bring out Scum. As others in this thread have pointed out, the information of who my targets were, once it was known I got "did nothing" results on both, will help Scum infinitely more than it will help Town. Town gets no info about my target's alignment, they just know that the person has no Night power. My targets could still be vanilla Scum, especially if the Scum assign one teammate to do the NK. But the Scum can rule that out, so if my targets were both Town, they'll know to look elsewhere for a Doc or Cop. I told myself that for this reason, I'd vote for the first person to pressure me for names. Vote: moodymitchy [/color][/quote] uh oh...you're thinking like me, that'll get you in trouble!
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Post by special on Oct 27, 2011 22:17:08 GMT -5
Pollux could you please state what your case is about me. People are finding it interesting but I don't think it holds weight and would like a refresher on that. I will ask this of you Bill and Drain you two are the ones that stated it is interesting. What to you is interesting and do you care to elaborate? Bah!
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Post by special on Oct 27, 2011 22:17:33 GMT -5
Pollux could you please state what your case is about me. People are finding it interesting but I don't think it holds weight and would like a refresher on that. I will ask this of you Bill and Drain you two are the ones that stated it is interesting. What to you is interesting and do you care to elaborate? To be honest, I would love to see a case against you too, so far I haven't found one. The person that is pinging me the most is Moody and next in line is MoleyTwo Bahs! you Scum Bah! Bah!
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Post by special on Oct 27, 2011 22:17:48 GMT -5
egad, I'm a sheep!
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Post by special on Oct 27, 2011 22:18:55 GMT -5
Congratulations I shouldn't post after parent teacher conferences
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Oct 28, 2011 0:58:59 GMT -5
still catching up. too bad about Colby. he always gets killed before D3. the one time he did he was killed by an SK named Bill. I'll take that as a drive by smudge -- yes I killed Colby in Alice - on D2 actually (after failing to kill him on D1) -- after which I fulfilled my wincon - ie kill colby -- and became town. c'mon, Bill. don't be paranoid. that wasn't about you. i was opining why Colby mentioned you on D1. he's the one who's paranoid.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Oct 28, 2011 2:52:23 GMT -5
Pollux could you please state what your case is about me. People are finding it interesting but I don't think it holds weight and would like a refresher on that. I will ask this of you Bill and Drain you two are the ones that stated it is interesting. What to you is interesting and do you care to elaborate? Bah! I know what you think about me and that you are 100% sure I am scum. I was questioning pollux because a couple people have been saying the case that pollux made for me is interesting, but will never elaborate on that. What I find odd is that Pollux wrote this long post in the beginning of day about the voting at the end of Day 2. He mentions me quite a few times but nothing of being suspicious about, but then votes for me. There was a post from either Honest Moley or Paul that stated one of the three of us is SCUM and the names were Colby, Pollux, or me. I know I am not, so at this point I have to wonder is Pollux's voting me for to shine light off him. This is why I am questioning him and I wonder if the people that find the case interesting on Day 3 are not part of the scum. The case has been stated about me since Day 1 and they are now finding it interesting. Keep in mind that Pollux and I both voted for Scat on day 1 for the same reason, do he can not use that against me in his "case".
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Post by Drain Bead on Oct 28, 2011 6:18:37 GMT -5
I posted the fact that my results strongly hinted at VT for a reason. I knew that it would likely bring out Scum. As others in this thread have pointed out, the information of who my targets were, once it was known I got "did nothing" results on both, will help Scum infinitely more than it will help Town. Town gets no info about my target's alignment, they just know that the person has no Night power. My targets could still be vanilla Scum, especially if the Scum assign one teammate to do the NK. But the Scum can rule that out, so if my targets were both Town, they'll know to look elsewhere for a Doc or Cop. I told myself that for this reason, I'd vote for the first person to pressure me for names. Vote: moodymitchy [/color][/quote] uh oh...you're thinking like me, that'll get you in trouble![/quote] Yeah, actually, it was your explanation of your play that gave me the idea to do it.
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Post by Drain Bead on Oct 28, 2011 6:19:40 GMT -5
I agree that a claim by the lynch leader is mostly a null-tell. I disagree with moody's characterization of it as an early, no-pressure claim. And I wonder why he continues to characterize it that way. moodymitchy, can you elaborate on this?
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Oct 28, 2011 7:42:57 GMT -5
I am going out for the day but should be back prior to Day end. Just in case I am not back.
[color=blueVote Pollux[/color][/b]
I do not like the fact that in his post at the beginning of the toDay he voted me without a case on me. I do recall that he did not like my vote on Ed in Day 2, but he posted it was a OMGUS vote and it was not.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 28, 2011 8:50:04 GMT -5
Hooray for you. What I said and re stated was the truth. I'm assuming you read my comment when you didn't like mine. In that moment your claiming was all you could do. That changes NOT the timing ( through perhaps no fault of your own) or my lack of open arms acceptance of same. I ain't givin you an ice cream cone for claiming when you discovered you were about to be lynched.<bolding mine> i'm not sure that i understand this. are you suggesting that she should have claimed when under no lynch pressure or that she shouldn't have claimed at all? yet, you admit that it was all she could do. color me confused.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 28, 2011 8:52:11 GMT -5
I am going out for the day but should be back prior to Day end. Just in case I am not back. [color=blueVote Pollux [/color][/b] I do not like the fact that in his post at the beginning of the toDay he voted me without a case on me. I do recall that he did not like my vote on Ed in Day 2, but he posted it was a OMGUS vote and it was not. [/quote] you 2 x 2 is showing. over here votes are in blue
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Post by texcat on Oct 28, 2011 8:53:09 GMT -5
Vote: moodymitchy
1. His mischaracterization of Drain's claim 2. His insistence that Drain give up the 2 vanillas, which would be a big help to scum, but almost no help to town 3. He voted Colby, in large part, because Colby told the Doc to protect Drain. Yet moody doesn't mind telling Drain what anti-town things to do.
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Post by moodymitchy on Oct 28, 2011 10:19:16 GMT -5
Responding to the query from Drain Bead and also the vote from textcat here...
There's not really much to elaborate on... textcat continues to call it a mis characterisation... fair enough her opinion...
My opinion was that Drain Bead was under very little pressure when they claimed. I look at it from the point of view that I feel that had I been in that position I wouldn't have claimed, so it looks off to me.. Fair enough everyone plays the game differently..
Sure I had a problem with colby11 directing the Doc as to what they should do Night 1 as I've already stated . Because if the Doc protects Drain Bead and SCUM have a watcher/tracker.. then they get to see who visited Drain Bead and find themselves a power....
There was also the very early Day one query with their "Bill" comment and their post saying about how many SCUM were in the game... so my vote was not solely based on his comment about directing the Doc....
I feel on this point you as slightly mis characterising me vote..
I'm not insistent that she gives them up... but if she did and she is telling the truth... she gives up 2 vanillas.. certainly yes this lowers the pool for powers to hide but with 10 (using 5 SCUM as a benchmark) TOWN left and having now had 2 Days and Nights with 2 Night kills 2 lynches and one unexplained death at a Day end... How many powers do you really feel TOWN have ?
I know someone will do the maths and tell me that I'm asking her to reduce the pool by 20% and put like that it sounds a lot...
If she doesn't want to that's her prerogative and seems to be the general opinion of most people on here. But people who've played with me before know that I'm someone who is quite happy to advocate lynching one of a group of "claimed" Masons because it then gives TOWN more people they can trust... it's not popular but sometimes it can be useful...
TOWN start of with little enough information... I feel that the more they can get the better. Sometimes this can mean lowering a pool which others feel is unhelpful...
Now here's the thing I'm in the middle of my birthday and am about to go out for a meal and see a show my Mrs Moody....
I'll be back before Day end and will decide then whether I'm under enough sort of pressure to make some sort of claim or not...
Before then
Unvote Drain Bead
Vote textcat
I can understand the vote by Drain Bead. I've been on her case for a couple of Days but I feel that textcat has seen a possible cause growing and has fuelled the fires a couple of times just waiting for the right moment to place her vote...
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Post by Drain Bead on Oct 28, 2011 10:43:57 GMT -5
So you're honestly saying that as a Town power role leading the lynch vote with an hour left in the Day shouldn't claim? I guess I'm not understanding WHY you think that way. What was I supposed to do, die? I feel I had no choice but to claim.
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 28, 2011 13:06:15 GMT -5
I must say that at the moment I am on DrainBeads side, no one has counter claimed and when she did claim she was about to be lynched.
Vote moodymitchy
If DrainBead is lying then she will be found out. I am also not happy with Honest Moley saying that DrainBead can't be lynched. Why not? Is she telling the truth? At the moment I believe her but she isn't invincible. I don't get it that she can't be lynched.
[OOG, my stepson that I haven't spoken to for 5 years is now staying with us, scary stuff ?OOG]
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Post by LightFoot on Oct 28, 2011 13:49:49 GMT -5
Hooray for you. What I said and re stated was the truth. I'm assuming you read my comment when you didn't like mine. In that moment your claiming was all you could do. That changes NOT the timing ( through perhaps no fault of your own) or my lack of open arms acceptance of same. I ain't givin you an ice cream cone for claiming when you discovered you were about to be lynched.<bolding mine> i'm not sure that i understand this. are you suggesting that she should have claimed when under no lynch pressure or that she shouldn't have claimed at all? yet, you admit that it was all she could do. color me confused. Understandable In my flu addled brain I find it entertaining that I am once again not understood. A lynch leader claimed. My first reaction was NOT "I believe all you have typed!" It was more of an "oh really? " We shall see. (does that help any?)
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Oct 28, 2011 13:50:30 GMT -5
Ugh...
Vote Pollux
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Post by LightFoot on Oct 28, 2011 13:51:48 GMT -5
NETA I hope that helps Drain Bead as well in the understanding my comment department
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Post by Deni on Oct 28, 2011 13:52:02 GMT -5
So you're honestly saying that as a Town power role leading the lynch vote with an hour left in the Day shouldn't claim? I guess I'm not understanding WHY you think that way. What was I supposed to do, die? I feel I had no choice but to claim. Can I just clarify something here. DrainBead, you were never the lynch leader on Day 1. I realize you came back on and saw the post from the mod and assumed he was correct but he was wrong. It doesn't change the fact that you thought you were the lynch leader but I just wanted to clarify the facts. Hooray for you. What I said and re stated was the truth. I'm assuming you read my comment when you didn't like mine. In that moment your claiming was all you could do. That changes NOT the timing ( through perhaps no fault of your own) or my lack of open arms acceptance of same. I ain't givin you an ice cream cone for claiming when you discovered you were about to be lynched.<bolding mine> i'm not sure that i understand this. are you suggesting that she should have claimed when under no lynch pressure or that she shouldn't have claimed at all? yet, you admit that it was all she could do. color me confused. Peeker I am going to answer this question for the simple reason that Lightfoot is a lot like you the fact that you both tend to word things a little different. After awhile you too will be able to understand "lightfootism". Lightfoot is basically saying that a claim by the lynch leader is a null tell. In other words Lightfoot isn't going to give Drain Bead any brownie points for her claim ATM.
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Post by LightFoot on Oct 28, 2011 13:57:50 GMT -5
Theraflu out my nose
"lightfootism"
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Post by Deni on Oct 28, 2011 14:04:03 GMT -5
Theraflu out my nose "lightfootism" Well that isn't good how are you ever going to get better is you keep spreading the germs on your computer and discharging your meds.
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 28, 2011 14:06:16 GMT -5
Theraflu out my nose "lightfootism" Well that isn't good how are you ever going to get better is you keep spreading the germs on your computer and discharging your meds. Cough, cough, splutter, splutter!!!!
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 28, 2011 14:15:56 GMT -5
Please could we have vote count, dear Mod?
I can't make it to EOD. I never can because the time difference is so great, but I am awake now and I want to know what the rest of the bunch is thinking.
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Post by deon on Oct 28, 2011 14:49:28 GMT -5
Vote Paul[/color]
I still think he was defending Colby too hard, as if he wanted to proof he is town when Colby got lynched, and then he could just say "see I told you so" and come off looking all VT
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Post by deon on Oct 28, 2011 14:50:02 GMT -5
Vote Paul
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Post by LightFoot on Oct 28, 2011 15:02:36 GMT -5
texcat and inner what little I've seen from them, both come across to me to be trying to re-direct conversations about Drain Bead Am I the only one reading it that way? Granted, this speaks not to Drain Bead's alignment specifically. But it smells funny. It doesn't feel like just playing devil's advocate since there are not many/any posts on any other subject from them? texcat www.idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=userrecentposts&user=texcat inner www.idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=userrecentposts&user=innerstickler I like honest moley's summary at texcat and I think she doth protest too much. add that to the piggy back looking vote on mitch (only case there seems to be what mitch keeps saying about DB ) I will. Vote: texcat
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Post by Pollux Oil on Oct 28, 2011 15:03:34 GMT -5
Pollux could you please state what your case is about me. People are finding it interesting but I don't think it holds weight and would like a refresher on that. Er, okay. I won't resummarize everything, but I'll do some links. Here and here Ed points out why he thinks you're scummy. I agree with these points, despite colby having turned up town. You were defensive about colby's slip, but his aligment doesn't matter because of how you backpedaled about defending him, then made it look like you were still suspicious of him despite defending him. You didn't stick to your guns, and then got overly defensive when Ed called you out on it. Day Two, you open up with a vote against Special Ed. You state it's because he's around for the end of the Day but didn't vote, but it also has an OMGUS taint to it because Ed was harping on you on Day One. Specifically, what I say in this post.Now, on top of that, today you've come back and voted for me, making it now you've voted OMGUSly for both me and Ed, the two people who were the most vocal about being suspicious of you. You also said this: I was re-reading Day 1 and I don't like the statement that Pollux made in maybe post #100. He stated that in 6 pages of posts on Day 1 we should be able to vote with conviction. If you are Town , you never have conviction on who you vote for. It is almost always a suspicious vote cause you never know. Nice little smudge to start off with, before you actually vote for me. And you're also completely wrong. You should not waffle and worry about votes, even if you're town. Confidence is key. Look at peeker last game. He nosed out me and guiri as scum and just hammered the point home, and look what happened. If he hadn't been confident, the rest of the town may have not followed his word after the lynch. If you don't have conviction about who you're voting for, why are you voting? However.I'd like to clarify something about Bill and Drainbead chiminf in about my "case" against you. My vote summary post toDay was not actually a case against Ginger, it was a vote summary, a theory on peeker being scum and trying to protect from a scum lynch, and a vote on Ginger based on previous data. The only case against you made in that post was the assumption that the switch to a colby/sinjin runoff was protecting you as scum. Without the Day 1/Day 2 stuff, it doesn't hold as much water and really is just speculation. All in all, I'm much more confident now with the way Ginger has been acting toDay after my vote. My vote stands.
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