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Post by LightFoot on Nov 6, 2011 14:48:52 GMT -5
@ inner you think bill is a 3rd party, which If I were Scum I wouldn't know NOR do I as Town. And by that rational you are voting me? So you have a suspicion of bill but you are not voting him? By the rationale of just as I have come to the conclusion that he is third party so to could the scum team. It's already been determined that lynching a thirdparty would screw town over today so no, I'm not going to vote to lynch him. But you do want to lynch him. Why? Because you're scum and if you can get town to waste a lynch on the SK then you can win with the NK tonight. That's why I'm voting for you. The nature of the beast of 3rd parties is that no one Town or Scum knows they are. So I could not know if he was EVEN IF I was a Scum. Right? yep sorta what you said I suppose. Thought I'd re-state
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Post by Pollux Oil on Nov 6, 2011 15:07:54 GMT -5
Yes. Gotcha, bro. Here's my thoughts. I think Inner Stickler, peeker, and Bill are our scum. Out of Lightfoot, Ed, gnarly, and Moley, one of them is our poisoner, but I'm not going to say who I think that is because I don't want to help the scum. I think the case against Lightfoot stinks to high heaven of scum sensing they're in the homestretch. Bill and Inner have both been at best a vague presence for the last four Days. When I say something about Inner, though, suddenly he's coming out of the woodwork and right on top of things. (Yeah, peeker did the same thing to me in the last game and called me out. He was right, I'm right too.) Bill's also coming out of the woodwork too to defend himself. I'm 100% sure on Inner. 90% sure on Bill. Only about 70% sure on peeker. Vote: Inner Stickler
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Post by special on Nov 6, 2011 15:16:43 GMT -5
never underestimate the power of a bus.
Especially a bus that eventually fails.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Nov 6, 2011 15:28:42 GMT -5
Someday I will understand Ed, I'm sure of it.
You're sure about all that Pollux?
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Post by Holy Moley! on Nov 6, 2011 16:24:54 GMT -5
never underestimate the power of a bus. Especially a bus that eventually fails. Yeah yeah yeah. Keep voting me, Mr Scummy Scumpants. Apparently Pollux and Bill especially are a heck of a lot less clued-in than I thought. What the fuck are you guys doing? Do you WANT to lose? Have I got this wrong? I could've sworn I made a mistake on Day One when I tried to get Pollux lynched. I thought I had a pretty good handle on where everyone in the game stood at this point. (This is why I'm not even bothering to answer Special Ed... he has his position and he's sticking to it. There's zero point in trying to convince him otherwise. He knows full well how wrong he is. But he's not the problem right now.) I can claim, if that's what's required. It must be obvious to everyone right now that I don't want to claim. But I will, tomorrow night (real time not game time), if need be. Unless you guys think that we started this game with only three scum and one serial killer as anti-town elements - because I don't believe that for a second, and I can't believe you would seriously consider it. As for Pollux's first post of the day, above... serial killers and scum aren't opposing factions, except in a few very specific games I've seen. Most of the time they have the option to joint win. Unless both teams have got incredibly lucky in this game, I'd say there's a good chance of that happening this time out, wouldn't you? If I'm right about who I think the serial killer is, and about who the scum are, there hasn't been a serious scum-led push on the SK all game. And of course the SK hasn't hit scum once - he or she has concentrated mostly on town power roles. That should tell you something, and what it should tell you is that we need to ACT TOGETHER. Our opponents will be. If we don't do that, we could all lose this, right now. This is called PARITY, guys. We need to use it while we still have it. If the numbers are how I think they are, even if the serial killer hits scum by mistake today, it won't spoil a scum/SK split. We HAVE to get this lynch right.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Nov 6, 2011 16:30:36 GMT -5
In looking over the posts from yesterDay, this one it bothering me the most. ******************************************************************** From Peeker Re: Day Four - Quiet Down You. « Reply #40 on Oct 31, 2011, 8:46pm » mod question: if deni self destructs will we learn her target? now all be it if she decides to fire she should give us all a warning where the missile goes but crud if she doesn't then strecheroosky. reagardless of the flip. i really think if she is what she says she is then she should announce where the target is and give us a couple of hours or so to mull it over. plus if tex really can do what he says then it gives him time to place a protect down. i'm missing something apparantly. off to bed. catch you fine folks on the flip side. ***************************************************************** The part that I don't like about this is where Peeker wants me to announce my target first and then give texcat (Scum) the chance to issue a protective order for my target. So in the assumption at that point that I am town and I am targeting scum, why would they need protected? Now Texcat was not a protector but maybe there is a Day power vig in the SCUM team and that way by me announcing my target, it gave time for the SCUM team to act on something. Just a thought. I am going out of town tomorrow and will be back on tomorrow night. Vote PeekerFor the post above and your lack of voting. Holy shit on a shovel. Just seen Ginger's vote. Ginger: Please read my post to Pollux and Bill and reconsider this. Town has to stick together on this one, otherwise we lose. Simple as.
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Post by BillMc on Nov 6, 2011 17:04:30 GMT -5
This is called PARITY, guys. We need to use it while we still have it. If the numbers are how I think they are, even if the serial killer hits scum by mistake today, it won't spoil a scum/SK split. We HAVE to get this lynch right. What a pile of steaming scummy horse shit. Bussing your scummate lightfoot is so transparent.
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Post by BillMc on Nov 6, 2011 17:05:58 GMT -5
And that fact that they are willing to bus lightfoot to protect moley, says to me moley is a much higher value target than lightfoot.
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Post by LightFoot on Nov 6, 2011 17:23:41 GMT -5
And that fact that they are willing to bus lightfoot to protect moley, says to me moley is a much higher value target than lightfoot. Or maybe..... I dunno................ I ain't on the bus?
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Post by Pollux Oil on Nov 6, 2011 17:58:46 GMT -5
And that fact that they are willing to bus lightfoot to protect moley, says to me moley is a much higher value target than lightfoot. Bill, seriously? You're better than this. This is why I think you're scum. You said earlier toDay: Given how bolshy the suspected scum are, and assuming the poisoner is 3rd party, then we are most likely at 4-4-1 - so it's lylo. Why the hell would scum try and bus somebody toDay? Why take the risk of bussing someone toDay if it's possible the poisoner can also take out another scum. If it's 4-4-1 as you postulate, then they're so close to winning all they need to do is take out the third-party OR lynch a town, possibly both. Bussing a fellow scum is a complete and unnecessary risk at this point, especially if the scum getting town credit gets nailed by the poisoner. Even, even even if it's 5-3-1 (3 scum, 1 poisoner) they still wouldn't be trying to bus somebody since, again, the poisoner can easily take out one of their numbers. This is absolute balls in terms of logic. Yeah yeah yeah. Keep voting me, Mr Scummy Scumpants. Apparently Pollux and Bill especially are a heck of a lot less clued-in than I thought. What the fuck are you guys doing? Do you WANT to lose? Have I got this wrong? I could've sworn I made a mistake on Day One when I tried to get Pollux lynched. I thought I had a pretty good handle on where everyone in the game stood at this point. (This is why I'm not even bothering to answer Special Ed... he has his position and he's sticking to it. There's zero point in trying to convince him otherwise. He knows full well how wrong he is. But he's not the problem right now.) Okay, Moley, here's the deal. You keep calling me and Bill out to vote with you. But I have to ask: are you 100% sure Lightfoot is scum? Or is this a hunch on your part, because honestly I'm looking at my Day 3 analysis via texcat, the only person we know 100% is scum, and the evidence looks favorably towards Lightfoot being on the town side of things.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Nov 6, 2011 18:34:25 GMT -5
@ Pollux: I don't know any more. I thought I had this figured out, based on the events of yesterday, but Bill's attitude is not making any sense to me. Am I claiming to have investigated Lightfoot... no, I'm not.
Unvote: Lightfoot.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Nov 6, 2011 18:37:04 GMT -5
What I said about parity still stands by the way. I think we have to get this one right, or we lose. I cannot imagine a situation right now where we'd have less than four non-town players in the game. That'd mean a maximum of four non-town in a game of twenty-one.
Going to go back and think about this some more.
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Post by LightFoot on Nov 6, 2011 18:54:08 GMT -5
I have a feeling that we will have non voters AGAIN today. I'm not sure about a united front ( since we seem to have 2 schools of thought actually participating just now) but I would like to see who steps up an d where the vote count is in an hour or two
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Post by LightFoot on Nov 6, 2011 18:55:21 GMT -5
NETA I detest last minute NSFBSK votes but I'm not above changing if I think it can save this game
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Post by BillMc on Nov 6, 2011 19:15:49 GMT -5
Why the hell would scum try and bus somebody toDay? Why take the risk of bussing someone toDay if it's possible the poisoner can also take out another scum. If it's 4-4-1 as you postulate, then they're so close to winning all they need to do is take out the third-party OR lynch a town, possibly both. Bussing a fellow scum is a complete and unnecessary risk at this point, especially if the scum getting town credit gets nailed by the poisoner. Because they think Lightfoot is the target for the poisoner and they are trying to limit their losses -- lose one scum rather than two.
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Post by LightFoot on Nov 6, 2011 19:56:06 GMT -5
Well, bill if you are the poisoner that would make sense I suppose.
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Post by LightFoot on Nov 6, 2011 20:44:22 GMT -5
one hour til EOD give or take 15 by my count but we just unadopted DST here
No one has any reason to give me quarter. Scum Knows I'm not them and Town has no clue.
As mentioned before my voting should carry some weight but
an official vote count would be pleasant
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Post by Holy Moley! on Nov 6, 2011 20:46:22 GMT -5
one hour til EOD give or take 15 by my count but we just unadopted DST here No one has any reason to give me quarter. Scum Knows I'm not them and Town has no clue. As mentioned before my voting should carry some weight but an official vote count would be pleasant ONE HOUR? I thought we had a full day left...
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Post by Paranoia on Nov 6, 2011 20:49:05 GMT -5
SO DID I.
AND WE DO HAVE A FULL DAY LEFT.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Nov 6, 2011 20:49:55 GMT -5
"It is now day five. Deadline is at 10:00 pm cdt Monday the 7th."
It's 10:00pm tomorrow (well, for most of you guys), not 10:00pm tonight.
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Post by Paranoia on Nov 6, 2011 21:15:09 GMT -5
AN OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT FROM YOUR LAZY AS HELL MOD:
Lightfoot (2): Peeker, InnerStickler Honest Moley (2): BillMC, Mr Special Ed Peeker (1): JBG BillMC (1): LightFoot Inner Stickler (1): Pollux Oil
Abstaining: Gnarly, Honest Moley
With these votes, Lightfoot would be lynched.
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Post by LightFoot on Nov 6, 2011 21:15:46 GMT -5
arg me brain thought it read Sunday your time.
[emily littlella] Nevermind
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Post by Pollux Oil on Nov 6, 2011 21:19:33 GMT -5
What I said about parity still stands by the way. I think we have to get this one right, or we lose. I cannot imagine a situation right now where we'd have less than four non-town players in the game. That'd mean a maximum of four non-town in a game of twenty-one. Going to go back and think about this some more. I'm in agreement with you. We need to be unified in this vote otherwise we're done for. My guess is we have four anti-town players out of nine. There may be a survivor in there too that is just playing to get to the end, so we may not even have a town majority at the moment but a survivor isn't technically anti-town, they're just whatever. Point is, town needs to vote together here. I trust Ginger's opinion 100%, I'm trusting Moley and Lightfoot about 80%. Ed's at about 50% because he's been freakin' everywhere this game. The rest of you are at 0%. *And when I say I trust opinions, I mean I think their opinions are with the good of the town in mind. Their opinions may not be right, but at the very least they're not being anti-town on purpose. Because they think Lightfoot is the target for the poisoner and they are trying to limit their losses -- lose one scum rather than two. You're making less and less sense. Fact: Town has been running around in circles making no progress most of the game -> This points to a good scum team. A good scum team will know that at this point they need to play offensively, not defensively. Bussing Lightfoot as a possible poisoner target might make sense on like, Day Two or Three? If there were plenty more town left to misdirect, maybe? But on Day Five it makes a hell of a lot more sense for them to just go after the poisoner directly. Why lynch a fellow scum who could be poisoned (but might not be), run the risk of another scum also being poisoned, AND leave the poisoner alive for another Night to possibly poison yet another scum? No, the scum want the poisoner dead. They don't want to bus a scum at this stage, it gives them zero advantage and the scum team we're playing against is too smart for that. Lightfoot and Moley both have two votes on them. Narghle farghle blerghle. Unvote: Inner Stickler Vote: BillMc Bill's logic just doesn't make a lick of sense to me. It's like he's purposefully trying to be anti-town.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Nov 6, 2011 23:54:16 GMT -5
i'm okay with a mass claim.
i'll be back in a couple of hours to vote.
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Post by special on Nov 7, 2011 0:29:38 GMT -5
What I said about parity still stands by the way. I think we have to get this one right, or we lose. I cannot imagine a situation right now where we'd have less than four non-town players in the game. That'd mean a maximum of four non-town in a game of twenty-one. Going to go back and think about this some more. Yes, yes, we get it. Scum is just one mislynch from winning. You must feel really good about this. Not only do we have to lynch you, we have to lynch lightfoot and Pollux as well, and the someone else.
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Post by BillMc on Nov 7, 2011 4:31:30 GMT -5
Because they think Lightfoot is the target for the poisoner and they are trying to limit their losses -- lose one scum rather than two. Well, bill if you are the poisoner that would make sense I suppose. It makes sense if you are scum, and I'm pretty sure you are.
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Post by BillMc on Nov 7, 2011 5:16:21 GMT -5
Bill's logic just doesn't make a lick of sense to me. It's like he's purposefully trying to be anti-town. I couldn't actually be more pro-town at this point. I'm still in two minds whether you are scum, but I'm pretty sure Moley and Lightfoot are. So yes, I am the 3rd party, I'm Sebastian Earl Wyatt, Funeral Home Director and Undertaker, a non win-stealing survivor/poisoner -- business is a bit slow, so I need to help folk along a bit. To even stand a chance at meeting my win con I need to be alive on D6. And that will not be the case if scum win today-- so if scum win, I lose, town loses. Likewise, if I had bumped off scum early on, I would have had no chance at meeting my wincon either. So I am pretty sure it is 4-4-1, and that Moley and Lightfoot are scum. I have poisoned Lightfoot -- so barring the scum having an antidote, she's dead at dusk. I think the scum reached the conclusion that I had poisoned her and hence their votes on her to lose only one rather than two scum. So Townies, voting Lightfoot is a waste of your vote. With Lightfoot poisoned, and another scum lynched - e.g. Moley, we will go into N5 @ 4-2-1 So the scum will either kill town, or kill me --- so at dawn: 4-2-0 - looks good for town 3-2-1 - scum still have a chance Either way someone will still die tomorrow of poisoning. I do have the antidote which I can administer in the first 24hrs of the Day, but of course, I need to be alive to do that. As I see it, if Town doesn't want to trust me - then I get lynched today, and scum win. So if Town wants to try and win, then they need to trust me. If scum kill me off tonight, then town will most likely win.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Nov 7, 2011 5:20:00 GMT -5
Vote: Bill.
@ Special Ed: so let me get this straight, you think I'm scum with:
- Pollux, the first person I ever voted for in this game, and someone I consistently tried to get lynched on Day One; - Tex, when the first person who either accused him or voted him of being scum was myself, when I made a case that two people (including Lightfoot and one confirmed townie) agreed with; - Lightfoot, who I considered the best lynch up until about twelve hours ago, and voted for her as such?
I actually hope you're scum/PFK rather than town at this point. What's your case, that I initially advised against wasting Ginger's power on Texcat when she (Tex) was going to be lynched anyway? And on the basis of this you ignore every fact that contradicts your theory?
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Post by Holy Moley! on Nov 7, 2011 5:33:25 GMT -5
Bill's logic just doesn't make a lick of sense to me. It's like he's purposefully trying to be anti-town. I couldn't actually be more pro-town at this point. I'm still in two minds whether you are scum, but I'm pretty sure Moley and Lightfoot are. So yes, I am the 3rd party, I'm Sebastian Earl Wyatt, Funeral Home Director and Undertaker, a non win-stealing survivor/poisoner -- business is a bit slow, so I need to help folk along a bit. To even stand a chance at meeting my win con I need to be alive on D6. And that will not be the case if scum win today-- so if scum win, I lose, town loses. Likewise, if I had bumped off scum early on, I would have had no chance at meeting my wincon either. So I am pretty sure it is 4-4-1, and that Moley and Lightfoot are scum. I have poisoned Lightfoot -- so barring the scum having an antidote, she's dead at dusk. I think the scum reached the conclusion that I had poisoned her and hence their votes on her to lose only one rather than two scum. So Townies, voting Lightfoot is a waste of your vote. With Lightfoot poisoned, and another scum lynched - e.g. Moley, we will go into N5 @ 4-2-1 So the scum will either kill town, or kill me --- so at dawn: 4-2-0 - looks good for town 3-2-1 - scum still have a chance Either way someone will still die tomorrow of poisoning. I do have the antidote which I can administer in the first 24hrs of the Day, but of course, I need to be alive to do that. As I see it, if Town doesn't want to trust me - then I get lynched today, and scum win. So if Town wants to try and win, then they need to trust me. If scum kill me off tonight, then town will most likely win. So I use the phrase "It's your funeral" and you immediately claim "funeral director"? That's seriously convenient. Secondly, I have trouble believing in a wincon where you have to survive to Day Six when the game might not even make it that far. Thirdly, a non-win-stealing serial killer? Don't think I've ever come across one of those before. If you were a regular serial killer, you'd pretty much have to say that. That said, Unvote Bill until I can figure out what to do here.
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Post by BillMc on Nov 7, 2011 5:55:48 GMT -5
I think that confirms your scumminess
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