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Post by Paranoia on Nov 8, 2011 23:01:00 GMT -5
Morning breaks. Someone's missing, and can't be found.
BillMC has disappeared.
Things continue on as normal.
Deadline is 10:00 PM CDT Friday the 11th.
Livelist:
1. Ed 2. Moley 3. Inner stickler 4. Ginger 5. PolluxOil 6. Charlie
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Post by Holy Moley! on Nov 8, 2011 23:02:10 GMT -5
Vote: Special Ed.
Guess the scum aren't too averse to having me "poisoned" after all. Wonder why that is?
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Post by Holy Moley! on Nov 8, 2011 23:06:33 GMT -5
Ok, I'm going to bed. I'll try and get more info later on. I do want to say though that I called this one Night Four. Ed, Lightfoot, Peeker.
Now here's hoping to God Bill wasn't actually stupid enough to poison me and trust the scum would let him live to find an antidote.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Nov 8, 2011 23:13:36 GMT -5
Also where's Bill's role reveal?
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Post by special on Nov 8, 2011 23:18:46 GMT -5
Ok, I'm going to bed. I'll try and get more info later on. I do want to say though that I called this one Night Four. Ed, Lightfoot, Peeker. Now here's hoping to God Bill wasn't actually stupid enough to poison me and trust the scum would let him live to find an antidote. Yeah, Now the whole traitor didn't know the other Scum explains why Moley would vote for Lightfoot. He didn't know Lightfoot was Scum. And your fear of Bill forced you to kill him, eh? You must be hoping that the ScumKill went through before the Poisoning, eh? And the Scum are likely very averse to having you poisoned, but what were they going to do? kill you? Silly Scum killing themselves. I don't think so I believe it likely that Bill won. Why? Because Bill almost always wins. Maybe he needed to poison specific players or a specific pattern of players. I dunno And I'll just change my Scum prediction by dropping Inner Strickler and staying with Moley and Pollux. and yes, Vote: Honest Moley
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Post by special on Nov 8, 2011 23:19:32 GMT -5
Also where's Bill's role reveal? I have to assume he won and just left. It's not unprecedented.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Nov 8, 2011 23:27:36 GMT -5
Ok, I'm going to bed. I'll try and get more info later on. I do want to say though that I called this one Night Four. Ed, Lightfoot, Peeker. Now here's hoping to God Bill wasn't actually stupid enough to poison me and trust the scum would let him live to find an antidote. Yeah, Now the whole traitor didn't know the other Scum explains why Moley would vote for Lightfoot. He didn't know Lightfoot was Scum. And your fear of Bill forced you to kill him, eh? You must be hoping that the ScumKill went through before the Poisoning, eh? Uh-huh. That also explains why I voted Tex. and Peeker. And how lucky that there's no way to verify what the order of action is, if you HAVE a night action (which I don't), like, for example, ASKING THE MOD. Something I clearly would never think to do in that situation. And before you bring up scum roleblockers / role-redirectors to lend some kind of weight to what ever existed of your case (which still seems to consist solely of me initially objecting to the vig of a player who was about to be lynched anyway), I will save you the trouble and point out that we have one of each, confirmed dead, both before last night.
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Post by special on Nov 8, 2011 23:36:32 GMT -5
Yeah, Now the whole traitor didn't know the other Scum explains why Moley would vote for Lightfoot. He didn't know Lightfoot was Scum. And your fear of Bill forced you to kill him, eh? You must be hoping that the ScumKill went through before the Poisoning, eh? Uh-huh. That also explains why I voted Tex. and Peeker. And how lucky that there's no way to verify what the order of action is, if you HAVE a night action (which I don't), like, for example, ASKING THE MOD. Something I clearly would never think to do in that situation. And before you bring up scum roleblockers / role-redirectors to lend some kind of weight to what ever existed of your case (which still seems to consist solely of me initially objecting to the vig of a player who was about to be lynched anyway), I will save you the trouble and point out that we have one of each, confirmed dead, both before last night. Yes, it does explain why you voted for them. Though I'll admit I got confused after Lightfoot flipped. But yes, credibility is worth it. The only doubt I have is because you've engaged me consistently. I think at some point, Scum would have tried to slink away and back into the shadows, but you haven't.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Nov 9, 2011 0:20:04 GMT -5
Lightfoot being traitor explains why he was willing to go after texcat. I don't want to postulate too deep into what his role was, but we do have Word of Mod that as a traitor he didn't know who the other scum were. Traitors, though, usually have a win condition of eliminating other scum, and since there was purple in the role reveal I'm going to assume Lightfoot had her own separate win condition.
This throws jankiness into the balance. I thought we were operating at a 5-3-1 scenario, but a mafia traitor probably means we were actually at 4-4-1 (or 4-3-1-1 if you want to stick a traitor away from scum), and thankfully we eliminated 2 scum and the extraneous 1 in Bill (hopefully).
That leaves us likely at 4-2. Possibly at 5-1, but more likely 4-2 which means we're still at lynch or lose, so I'm definitely going to play it like we're at such and take it slow and not snap off a vote.
/looks down his nose at Ed and Moley
Could the two of you please zip it back up, we don't need to start the Day with a pissing contest.
We're down to 6 people. Once again, I'm going to say: Detective, any information you might have would be very useful right now. Once again, I'm also going to say: I think we should mass claim. It can't hurt at this point. Although mass may be a bit of an overstatement now since it's just me, Ed, Inner, and charlie.
If we're at 4-2, Moley, your vanilla claim gives me a lot of grief. Mostly because I don't see it fitting. With 4 town, 2 scum, we've got:
Ginger: Desperado vig Detective Mason myself
That leaves no room for vanilla. I see the other two scum as:
Godfather Vanilla Scum
I would guess you would be the Godfather, hoping to draw out the detective to investigate and/or confirm you. However, we could be playing a game completely without a detective, which would be very strange but not completely out the question. Especially since we had a tracker and a mafia person that could fool a tracker. If so, there's room for a vanilla so you could be telling the truth.
On the other side, Ed, you're kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place. Moley's already claimed vanilla, which takes up that spot if there isn't a detective. If you do claim vanilla alongside Moley, it's clear one of the two of you is scum. If there is a detective, we know Drainbead investigated you and you were a target that didn't move that Night. So you can't be the detective, which means either you're the remaining mason or you're scum.
Result: In a 4-2 game, one of Ed and Moley is definitely scum. This could be an even riskier gambit and both are scum, but...I doubt it. Now, if this is a 5-1 game (highly doubtful, but possible) then all this analysis is for naught, as Ed could be the mason and Moley could be vanilla and it comes down to either Inner or charlie as the last remaining scum.
As such, I'm going to focus my efforts on Inner and charlie. My gut says that Inner is the scum between the two due to his reluctant to change his vote off Lightfoot to peeker. However, charlie's jump onto Lightfoot then switch to peeker when he got berated for it jumps out at me as well.
I'd really like to see what you guys claim first because it'll probably help sort this mess out. And if you guys are gun-shy I'll be superhappy to claim first and get the ball rolling.
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Post by special on Nov 9, 2011 0:43:53 GMT -5
I'm quite Vanilla, thank you very much.
Inner would have told us already if he were a mason. That means gnarly is our other mason.
And most likely Moley and Pollux are our Scum.
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Post by special on Nov 9, 2011 0:47:02 GMT -5
And Moley's claim
anyone else want to dig yp and post the actual quotes of other claims? for the record? dead and alive
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Post by special on Nov 9, 2011 0:48:56 GMT -5
Lifgtfoot's fake claim
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Post by special on Nov 9, 2011 0:50:22 GMT -5
Ginger's wasn't a quote:
You are Steakhouse Tex, Entrepreneur and Desperado.
You've lived here for years after moving in from the lone star state.
You came to bring one thing.
Steakhouses with affordable prices and a friendly atmosphere.
And to dispense old-west justice your own way, no matter what these city slickers think.
You are the town desperado. Once per game you may post during a day phase
DESPERADO: <players name>
Things will then halt while I write a short flavor blurb. If your target was mafia, they will die and you will be essentially cleared town.
If they are town you will die yourself, but they will be confirmed town.
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated or otherwise removed from the game.
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Post by special on Nov 9, 2011 0:54:17 GMT -5
I'm not convinced that we have a detective role, and I'm suspicious of Pollux for encouraging a claim. Is he looking for a safe claim for a scum buddy if no detective comes forward? (which would mean I'm wrong about Moley! egad! me? wrong?)
Or there is a godfather and he's hoping for an investigation of that person.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Nov 9, 2011 5:41:59 GMT -5
I'm quite Vanilla, thank you very much. Inner would have told us already if he were a mason. That means gnarly is our other mason. And most likely Moley and Pollux are our Scum. you got me. :-)
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Post by Holy Moley! on Nov 9, 2011 9:59:24 GMT -5
I'm quite Vanilla, thank you very much. Inner would have told us already if he were a mason. That means gnarly is our other mason. And most likely Moley and Pollux are our Scum. you got me. :-) WOW. Got that one wrong then. I thought Deni was soft-claiming Pollux as the mason yesterday. I want to see a claim from Inner Stickler ASAP. Pollux has made it clear he's not vanilla and I don't want him to "out" a role if it's likely to have any effect here; but Inner hasn't said anything yet. Since Ed's brought it up, I'd like to offer an explanation for my Lightfoot vote yesterday, beyond agreeing with Peeker. I will admit straight away that I did not suspect her, at all, until Night Four. Two days before I'd said that I would go through the people I hadn't gone into in detail at that point - Paul, Peeker, and Lightfoot. You know the results of the first two. Lightfoot was off my radar from pretty much the moment she supported my Tex case. In my mind I gave her a "pass" just because of that - mentally speaking, I just wasn't taking any notice of her. On Night Four I went through her posts in detail, and it was like reading the "Wonderland" game again. I've seen Lightfoot play town and scum, and this strongly smelt like scummy Lightfoot to me. At that point I thought I'd worked at least three scum out - scum were Peeker, Lightfoot, Ed, and maybe one more plus a PFK poisoner coming from a pool of Deni, Gnarly, Inner, Pollux, or Bill. Then on Day Four - and all of this is the nearest I can remember, it was a VERY confusing day - Peeker voted Bill, then switched to Lightfoot, and Bill throw suspicion at her but voted me. This surprised me, but made Peeker look a lot better in my eyes. I figured he and Bill were probably either town or PFK and Lightfoot was scum; I was (obviously) very frustrated with Bill's attitude, which also confused me a lot. I figured that if Bill were town, he'd adjust his sights on account of my Lightfoot vote, but he refused to do so and insisted I must be "bussing". That put him back on the radar. It was only around about that time that I saw Pollux's case that Lightfoot wasn't scum along with Tex - I'd missed it earlier - which convinced me enough to make me rethink her. I still didn't think she was town, but Pollux's reasoning made sense as to her not being scum; so I went back to thinking Peeker was possibly scum along with Bill - I didn't set too much stock in Peeker's early Bill vote, since he'd switched shortly afterwards - and Lightfoot was probably the PFK. Then Bill claimed PFK. Peeker and Lightfoot didn't seem to be able to be scum together because Peeker had thrown that early vote at her, in giant block capitals no less. At that point I think it's accurate to say that I was pulling what little hair I have left out in clumps; I was just about ready to give up. Eventually I went on what I'd thought before the day started and voted Peeker; and you know the result. * Let's look at the Peeker bandwagon: JBG, Moley, pollux, Bill, Gnarley.Of those five, JBG is a confirmed town, I'm town, I still think Pollux is most likely town even though he isn't the mason, Bill is a claimed un-CC'd PFK, and Gnarley is a so-far unCC'd mason. This wasn't a "bus". The only one I thought was suspicious on this wagon was Gnarley - who could've jumped on the wagon late in the day for some town cred - and he's just claimed mason. If he remains un-CC'd, as seems likely, then I think any remaining scum will be found in the players who did NOT vote Peeker yesterday. Well you know what I'm thinking. I got lots more, most of it on Ed, but that'll do for now.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Nov 9, 2011 10:00:41 GMT -5
WOW. Got that one wrong then. I thought Deni was soft-claiming Pollux as the mason yesterday. Or the day before yesterday even...
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Post by Pollux Oil on Nov 9, 2011 12:28:09 GMT -5
Ginger - Desperado Vig Moley - Vanilla Ed - Vanilla Charlie - Mason Inner - ? Myself - I'm not convinced that we have a detective role, and I'm suspicious of Pollux for encouraging a claim. Is he looking for a safe claim for a scum buddy if no detective comes forward? (which would mean I'm wrong about Moley! egad! me? wrong?) Or there is a godfather and he's hoping for an investigation of that person. I was actually having my doubts when no detective came forward yesterDay. If there is a detective, I figured they were unlucky with their snoops and most everyone they could confirm is dead, and also hadn't hit any scum. Also, Ed, you have been so spectacularly wrong about everything this game you should really consider doing the exact opposite of what you're thinking and vote for Inner as scum. Let's look at the Peeker bandwagon: JBG, Moley, pollux, Bill, Gnarley.Of those five, JBG is a confirmed town, I'm town, I still think Pollux is most likely town even though he isn't the mason, Bill is a claimed un-CC'd PFK, and Gnarley is a so-far unCC'd mason. This wasn't a "bus". The only one I thought was suspicious on this wagon was Gnarley - who could've jumped on the wagon late in the day for some town cred - and he's just claimed mason. If he remains un-CC'd, as seems likely, then I think any remaining scum will be found in the players who did NOT vote Peeker yesterday. Well you know what I'm thinking. I got lots more, most of it on Ed, but that'll do for now. Ed and Inner were both hesitant to get on the peeker wagon. In a perfect world, they're both scum, but I doubt it's that simple. I'd also like to point out I'd been voicing suspicion of peeker since Day Three, and I voted for him on Day Four, but nobody at that time jumped on the wagon with me. The thing is, Moley, I'd love to clear you as town for voting for peeker near endgame. However, there's one thing that keeps nagging at the back of my mind and that's when you played as the Scum Doc. You were so, so, so pro-town you were shiny as fuck, and then at the end you were scum the whole time. You have a knack for hiding in plain sight, which means I'm not ready to rule you out yet. You and Ed have contrasting claims, so I'm certain one of you is scum, and whoever it is, is partners with Inner. On the other hand, you and Ed could both be scum doing this face-off to secure your spot as town on the final Day. Gah. /waits on Inner and Ginger to weigh in
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Post by Holy Moley! on Nov 9, 2011 14:25:33 GMT -5
@ Pollux, quickly, because I have to leave soon:
I'm not ready to come out and state there are two scum left, although I see your point about the traitor. I think it's entirely possible we have one scum and, say, a third-party survivor.
I will be doing a full re-read on you before EoD. Pending that, my scum pecking order remains: Ed, Inner, yourself. I put the first tie-breaking vote on Ed for a reason, knowing he'd be hanging around waiting to do the same thing to me - he was - and if there is another scum out there, I'm not going to give him any ideas by removing my vote before End of Day.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Nov 9, 2011 14:33:33 GMT -5
Also, regarding your votes on Peeker: duly noted. I won't say any more than that before I've had a chance to look back through everything again, but it didn't escape my notice.
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Post by special on Nov 9, 2011 14:36:50 GMT -5
@ Pollux, your arguement about either Moley or I bein Scum is solid assuming that you aren't Scum. But that's not an assumption I'm willing to make.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Nov 9, 2011 16:17:42 GMT -5
I am not willing to think of Moley as town based on his vote for Peeker. Peeker voted for Lightfoot, now he may or may not of known if she was SCUM or a traitor. I would not put it past him to bus a fellow scum. The one thing that pings me about Moley is his response to me voting Pekker. It was not so much of a response that I voted for him but a response that I did not vote with the crowds... His statement that we should all vote together pings me seeing that he is not confirmed.
The only thing that rings to me of town about Pollux is the fact that he brought to light the mistake in Texcat's fake claim and it was on the same Day that it was made. If he was scum I would think that he would sit back and see if everyone started to buy it first and not bring it to light.
About Inner, I don't like the fact that there is not a lot of voting history on him. I will go back and do another read on him.
For Ed, I really cannot figure out his game play and it is hard for me to read him. On one hand, his play has been somewhat anti-town by not voting and by his being sure that some of us known town were scum. Even if I do a re-read on him I think it will most likely not help.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Nov 9, 2011 16:24:39 GMT -5
@ Pollux, your arguement about either Moley or I bein Scum is solid assuming that you aren't Scum. But that's not an assumption I'm willing to make. Obviously. I know I'm town, but I can't confirm myself in any particular way. I want to claim my role before the end of this real life day, and I was hoping to see if Inner would be around first. I doubt he would pick to claim my role anyway: his options are probably vanilla, detective, or mason. He can choose to either go head-to-head with charlie like you're going head to head with Moley in hopes we mess up the vote, or claim vanilla to add himself to the pool with you and Moley. Him not counter-claiming charlie, though, will give us basically another confirmed town next to Ginger so I'd be surprised if he doesn't. This is, of course, all dependent on me being right about him being scum. Dum dee doo.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Nov 9, 2011 16:39:03 GMT -5
I am not willing to think of Moley as town based on his vote for Peeker. Peeker voted for Lightfoot, now he may or may not of known if she was SCUM or a traitor. I would not put it past him to bus a fellow scum. The one thing that pings me about Moley is his response to me voting Pekker. It was not so much of a response that I voted for him but a response that I did not vote with the crowds... His statement that we should all vote together pings me seeing that he is not confirmed. I'll answer this... at that point, I strongly thought that Lightfoot was scum and Peeker had worked it out. I couldn't see how they could both be scum, given the way that Peeker had first voted for Bill and then switched to voting Lightfoot in the way that he did. I thought Peeker was the easy lynch and you were playing into the hands of the scum, voting the way that you did. If there were four scum plus one PFK left, it seemed like a guaranteed loss. Obviously I changed my mind later on - about three times, in fact - but that's how it looked then. I said to Ed that I could've asked the mod this at any time, but i didn't actually do so... Paranoia, can you please confirm if a third-party delayed killer or poisoner would lose their night action if they were killed by the scum on the same night?
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Post by Paranoia on Nov 9, 2011 17:09:14 GMT -5
All night actions would resolve simultaneously - except for blockings which would have happened first. Therefore unless the delayed killer/poisoner was blocked, their kill would go through.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Nov 9, 2011 19:17:11 GMT -5
All night actions would resolve simultaneously - except for blockings which would have happened first. Therefore unless the delayed killer/poisoner was blocked, their kill would go through. Yeah... that's not good.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Nov 9, 2011 21:03:51 GMT -5
All night actions would resolve simultaneously - except for blockings which would have happened first. Therefore unless the delayed killer/poisoner was blocked, their kill would go through. Yeah... that's not good. One thing is that Bill was not killed, he disappeared. Now I don't know if that even matters, but... So you are thinking that Bill poisoned you?
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Post by special on Nov 9, 2011 21:04:33 GMT -5
I'll answer this... at that point, I strongly thought that Lightfoot was scum and Peeker had worked it out. I couldn't see how they could both be scum, given the way that Peeker had first voted for Bill and then switched to voting Lightfoot in the way that he did. I thought Peeker was the easy lynch and you were playing into the hands of the scum, voting the way that you did. If there were four scum plus one PFK left, it seemed like a guaranteed loss. Obviously I changed my mind later on - about three times, in fact - but that's how it looked then. Let me review the Day and see if your flip-flops were evident. brb
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Post by Holy Moley! on Nov 9, 2011 21:09:26 GMT -5
Yeah... that's not good. One thing is that Bill was not killed, he disappeared. Now I don't know if that even matters, but... So you are thinking that Bill poisoned you? Read his roleclaim. He made it pretty clear what he intended to do.
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Post by special on Nov 9, 2011 21:12:21 GMT -5
Mod, can Scum communicate privately with each other during the Day?
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