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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 19, 2012 15:46:33 GMT -5
And I assume Speculator is Pizza's Invisible Man.....
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 19, 2012 15:47:37 GMT -5
I wish we could edit...I really don't like these separate posts! But I had a block of time to actually be online today. Fancy that!
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 19, 2012 15:49:24 GMT -5
And -- as I pointed out to I think Rich last Night -- there's nothing suggesting anything about this game is 'standard.' Okay let me try this again..... Sister, fine so maybe they aren't standard, but um you don't find their claimed powers to bit over the top? And why if this game is so unstandard, is Peekers up my rear end for "being in his room" as a Tracker.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 19, 2012 16:00:07 GMT -5
Suburban...... [Name removed] = Speculator And I assume Speculator is Pizza's Invisible Man..... I'm afraid you've lost me altogether here. The 'Anti-Vigilante/speculator' is Pizza, and "Pizza's Invisible Man" is 'Blade runner'. Identities 1 & 2 on his list. Or are you talking about something else entirely?
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 19, 2012 16:04:20 GMT -5
I'm talking about this from Pollux which is where Pizza got his list from:
Pizza is Anti-Vigilante, and he left the Speculator role off of his list, and damn now I see that he has them both listed under him. I thought I was being smart and figured out his BS.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 19, 2012 16:27:04 GMT -5
See, and I'd say you thought you were being smart and had figured out a way to BS the rest of us.
And no, to answer your question, I actually don't think pizza and his partner are overpowered in a game where:
1) So far, everyone has had some sort of power. 2) Both Town and Scum have the ability to recruit. 3) If Red's numbers are to be believed, Town was significantly outnumbered by third party players at the beginning of the game.
Pizza's partner isn't the Town Vig. Look at all his initial posts: he did not know who the Vig was until Inner claimed.
Also, role name and designation isn't that much information, particularly in a game where recruitment is in play, and any of those non-hostiles could have become Town-hostile at any point after they were scanned.
Also also, we have no idea if Pizza is actually still charged from BillMc's power or if that charge was diffused with the Dawn. To know that would imply knowing what a charge message would look like from the mod. Which I don't. Regardless, the charge isn't a power of Pizza's, it's a power of Bill's, and claiming it's still active is lovely WiFoM for the Scum as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 19, 2012 16:34:10 GMT -5
Pizza because I am town. Why would it make sense to have a 3rd party tracker/watcher and another 3rd part tracker. I'm Town.... You'll see that at dusk. Maybe Meeko can be recruited to scum, or maybe he has been already. I highly suspect he's one of the 5 recruitable. I'd hate for you mislynch me and then let him run free wrongly accusing me of being Hostile to town when it was all along him. You noticed he singled me out first when he saw more than just me. He only bussed Jan when the pressure turned up on him. What was the reason or that other than to try and make himself look good. It looks like he read a chapter in Pleos scam book to me. This logic is not lost on me, Dizzy. I will certainly consider its value, after you flip townie.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 19, 2012 16:37:30 GMT -5
Pizza, I'm trying to parse all of the information you've given us, and figure out what is 'knowledge gained from investigations' vs. what is 'conjecture based on observation'. I believe you're saying that you have scanned the following players and found them to be Nonhostile: sinjin story SisC Cookies and since you claim to know their roles and have provided a list of 'Living Roles' with four missing player names, that makes them (in no particular order) Princess Peach The Riddler Ascetic Monk [Name removed] Is this correct? I no note that you explicitly list Princess Peach and The Riddler as 'unspecified player', while you don't do that for the other two; I don't know if that's a significant difference or simply inconsistent formatting. I appreciate your desire for clarification. I cannot clarify at this time. Everything was deliberate, however. I can say, I am not mixing conjecture with scan. My opinions are on the side, assume the others are nonhostile by scan or other data.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 19, 2012 16:47:09 GMT -5
Also, Dizzy, you're flailing a bit. It's not helping.
Your tracking data also seems suspicious in that, the scum would have known all of that information, so you don't need to be a tracker to have claimed that.
Whereas, Meeko's claim revealed new information, and bagged us a scum, so I tend to trust his claim more.
And again, you're claiming to be a starting townie, and Red's list of starting townies makes it unlikely that you are. Everything about your claim and behavior rubs me the wrong way.
And let's not forget that if the game is going pear-shaped for the scums, they might be complaining about the game setup here.
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Post by sinjin on Oct 19, 2012 16:50:32 GMT -5
Correct me if I am wrong ( and I bet you will ) 2 players that claimed non dead-ing Night actions were not blocked Can we conclude anything from the players that claim to be blocked? sinjin crys seems to have bitten peeker as well last Night Are you confusing me with Colby? I posted right after you asked colby why he was the only one not blocked I thought it was clear Ok, I guess I'm losing it. I had to read the first quote up there 5 times to parse it correctly. I think a colon would have helped. I can't keep up with all the claims and revelations today.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 19, 2012 16:55:49 GMT -5
It is all a bit confusing/overwhelming.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Oct 19, 2012 17:04:36 GMT -5
Day Five Vote Count
dizzymrslizzy (7 votes) - Rich Beckman, askthepizzaguy, patricia, Red Skeezix, peekercpa, Sister Coyote, Colby11 Suburban Plankton (1 vote) - Sister Coyote peekercpa (1 vote) - Penalty Vote askthepizzaguy (1 vote) - Penalty Vote storyteller0910 (1 vote) - peekercpa
With these votes, dizzymrslizzy will be lynched.
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Post by sinjin on Oct 19, 2012 17:04:57 GMT -5
Also, Dizzy, you're flailing a bit. It's not helping. Your tracking data also seems suspicious in that, the scum would have known all of that information, so you don't need to be a tracker to have claimed that. Whereas, Meeko's claim revealed new information, and bagged us a scum, so I tend to trust his claim more. And again, you're claiming to be a starting townie, and Red's list of starting townies makes it unlikely that you are. Everything about your claim and behavior rubs me the wrong way. And let's not forget that if the game is going pear-shaped for the scums, they might be complaining about the game setup here.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 19, 2012 17:06:04 GMT -5
Something you wanted to say about that, sinjin?
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Post by sinjin on Oct 19, 2012 17:16:23 GMT -5
Well that didn't work out right.
Pizza: Scum would only know that Peeks didn't leave his room if dizzy is a scum tracker. Are you accusing dizzy of being a scum tracker? If so then who did the theoretical third kill?
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 19, 2012 17:18:24 GMT -5
Also, Dizzy, you're flailing a bit. It's not helping. Yeah hense why I said I wish we could edit posts, because I had a stream of thoughts that I obviously have to get out today, because I want my fellow townies to know where I'm coming from after I flip Town. To my credit, anyone who has played with me before knows that I flail when I'm on the block. How would the scum have known my information? I'm not following you? Except possibly for Sinjin's, He's the only Scum so far that I've knowingly tracked. As I said before I was pissed at Dawn, because I really wanted to have SOMETHING to throw on a platter to redeem myself. I'd really like another night to prove that I am who I say I am. If you believe everyone is Town that has claimed Town, then yes I don't fit into Red's list. But I know what my PM said, and there's no way for me to 100% prove it until I flip Town on Tuesday.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 19, 2012 17:23:38 GMT -5
NETA- That should have also said, that I was TOWN in the one and only other game I've played here with you guys.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 19, 2012 18:09:59 GMT -5
neta: vote dizzy. vote storydizzy for being in my room and the related explanations which frankly seem odd. i mean watcher/tracker. don't those roles typically work from afar. i mean if the watcher/tracker is on my ass don't you think i will notice them and tell them to shoo away. of course, if they have a hatchet in their hand then maybe i don't get much further than that. story because frankly this game is in his wheelhouse. enough folks stirring the pot that drive by analysis can look einsteinian. he plays this part to perfection since the mf is about as cagey as they come. is this your way of trying to get lynched? you keep harping that dizzy said was in your room when she never did. seems you're trying to piss off people so they vote you. sorry, won't work. you might try reading her posts. she admits to "watching/tracking" me and has no clue how she ended up in my room. but apparantly she was trying to do something to me. or at least she says. are you calling her a liar?
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 19, 2012 18:14:33 GMT -5
I have no clue how or why I "showed up" in your room Peekers. All I know is that I tracked you night 1 and was told you were in your room. That's the beginning and end of it. Anything else only Pollux can answer Ok, THIS is fishy. As a watcher, Meeko would see everyone who comes in, not just who killed Peeker. While yes, you may not have killed him, this makes me suspicious... I haven't decided whether we should allow you to live or not, but for now, I will happily vote for you Vote DizzyLizzyrut roh. the wrath of charley will soon be visited upon you. and since he has made it clear that the whole dizzy thing is a figment of my imagination just to piss him off but he won't vote me anyways i can either assume you in like flynn or you will get strung.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 19, 2012 18:18:17 GMT -5
I was saying that I don't understand the mechanics of how Pollux made the role, ie: obviously a tracker will show up in a room, even though Peekers is flipping out about me being in the room. But Peekers can't blame ME for how My Action and what Meeko viewed are. <snipped> au contraire my fine lady. if you killed me you did a fine service for both myself and town. i think the disussion is more along the lines of, at least for me, why were you in my room? most trackers hide and sneak about and such. as i said previously a tracker that gets up on me ear is going to make me self conscious.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 19, 2012 18:50:49 GMT -5
This logic is not lost on me, Dizzy. I will certainly consider its value, after you flip townie. Also, Dizzy, you're flailing a bit. It's not helping. Your tracking data also seems suspicious in that, the scum would have known all of that information, so you don't need to be a tracker to have claimed that. Whereas, Meeko's claim revealed new information, and bagged us a scum, so I tend to trust his claim more. And again, you're claiming to be a starting townie, and Red's list of starting townies makes it unlikely that you are. Everything about your claim and behavior rubs me the wrong way. And let's not forget that if the game is going pear-shaped for the scums, they might be complaining about the game setup here. have your pie and eat it as well, i assume. i will go out on a pizza limb here. every last one of you are scum except the ones that are not.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Oct 19, 2012 19:11:06 GMT -5
<snip> ...every last one of you are scum except the ones that are not. Well, I can't argue with that.
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Post by Red Skeezix on Oct 19, 2012 19:52:34 GMT -5
Well that didn't work out right. Pizza: Scum would only know that Peeks didn't leave his room if dizzy is a scum tracker. Are you accusing dizzy of being a scum tracker? If so then who did the theoretical third kill? Why would we assume that scum would know that? I'm not even assuming dizzy would know that. vote sinjin
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Post by Red Skeezix on Oct 19, 2012 19:53:44 GMT -5
Well that didn't work out right. Pizza: Scum would only know that Peeks didn't leave his room if dizzy is a scum tracker. Are you accusing dizzy of being a scum tracker? If so then who did the theoretical third kill? Why would we assume that scum would know that? I'm not even assuming dizzy would know that. vote sinjinHeh. I went back and actually found the post where Pizza said just that. n/m unvote sinjin
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Post by sinjin on Oct 19, 2012 20:27:07 GMT -5
Well that didn't work out right. Pizza: Scum would only know that Peeks didn't leave his room if dizzy is a scum tracker. Are you accusing dizzy of being a scum tracker? If so then who did the theoretical third kill? Why would we assume that scum would know that? I'm not even assuming dizzy would know that. vote sinjinWhy would you assume that dizzy didn't know that when it was exactly what she claimed? And the claim was subsequently confirmed by Peeks? Peeks: why do you have your panties in a twist about dizzy's tracking you and noting you did not leave your room, when you admit you did not leave your room? I am getting really confused here about what we actually know and what is conjecture. Pizza: you have posted a lot of "stuff" Can you please differentiate between what you "know" and what you "think".
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 19, 2012 21:34:59 GMT -5
Why would we assume that scum would know that? I'm not even assuming dizzy would know that. vote sinjinWhy would you assume that dizzy didn't know that when it was exactly what she claimed? And the claim was subsequently confirmed by Peeks? Peeks: why do you have your panties in a twist about dizzy's tracking you and noting you did not leave your room, when you admit you did not leave your room? I am getting really confused here about what we actually know and what is conjecture. Pizza: you have posted a lot of "stuff" Can you please differentiate between what you "know" and what you "think". well i don't really "have my panties in a twist". i was merely remarking on the fact that a tracker/watcher/whathteheckeva would typically not be "in my room". now certainly meeko could be full of it. however, dizzy does admit to doing something to me ( gnarly would probably disagree). hey, i am just trying to help out here.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 19, 2012 22:56:35 GMT -5
did you know that a stands for apple. one a day keeps the doctor away dontchaknow.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 19, 2012 22:57:53 GMT -5
b is for banana. i personally hate the texture but they are high in potassium and help keep the legs cramps away. bananas, hooray.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 19, 2012 22:58:38 GMT -5
c is for coconut. it's what the monkeys hurl at you when you invade their island.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 19, 2012 22:59:53 GMT -5
d is for doughnut. without which our streets would never be patrolled. thank goodness for fried fatty bread.
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