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Day Two
Dec 8, 2012 13:54:20 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Dec 8, 2012 13:54:20 GMT -5
Ginger was waiting for the official vote count to see if her vote counted... Hockey's vote on me is definitive, my vote on her is based on suspicions from yesterDay coupled with her participation toDay and supported a little by Astral's death. I also suspect Drain and would be willing to join you there. I'd also vote Colby for laying low and being useful. If I do end up lynched today, please make note of my voters. As I said last Night, CE will know I'm not with them, and my blunder with the rules made it clear I wasn't LE or CG either. People who push hard for my lynch should be given the hairy eyeball.
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Colby11
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Day Two
Dec 8, 2012 14:54:35 GMT -5
Post by Colby11 on Dec 8, 2012 14:54:35 GMT -5
Apologies, I am completely lost and trying to figure out what the f&ck is happening....
Peeks and Mahaloth are on the same team... Scum doing something like that, I seriously doubt, for two reasons. One- each team possibly could have their own killer. Someone is bound to land a kill on one of them. Once one of them dies, the other's alignment is all but guaranteed. Which means that if they are both scum, then either Peeks or Mahaloth are power roles, in this scenario.
I have yet to see a case that I agree with, and I will find someone to vote for soon. Just not right now, because I want to read things over
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Dec 8, 2012 15:47:29 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Dec 8, 2012 15:47:29 GMT -5
and one other tidbit for the crowd. i know that other factions with offboard communication ability have been granted the ability to strategize this Day because of some stupid shit i did yesterDay. i still humbly request your apology mog. 8) Night threads are fluff only, that seems to be how folks like 'em edit - there are no restrictions regarding strategy talk in the Night threads. All alignments except Town have offboards to communicate, and may only use them at Night. Mod, is this rule accurate?If I do end up lynched today, please make note of my voters. As I said last Night, CE will know I'm not with them, and my blunder with the rules made it clear I wasn't LE or CG either. People who push hard for my lynch should be given the hairy eyeball. You've got a single vote, have you stopped playing the game? Apologies, I am completely lost and trying to figure out what the f&ck is happening.... Peeks and Mahaloth are on the same team... Scum doing something like that, I seriously doubt, for two reasons. One- each team possibly could have their own killer. Someone is bound to land a kill on one of them. Once one of them dies, the other's alignment is all but guaranteed. Which means that if they are both scum, then either Peeks or Mahaloth are power roles, in this scenario. I have yet to see a case that I agree with, and I will find someone to vote for soon. Just not right now, because I want to read things over Why is this post setting off all sorts of alarm bells? You're lost but don't have any questions or comments. You rehash old news but make the weirdest circular argument. And the old "no-one's suspicious" added to the promise of some wonderful insight. Bleuch.
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Dec 8, 2012 15:48:33 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Dec 8, 2012 15:48:33 GMT -5
re: Ginger= she would know if her vote would count= suspect to me I see part of the case on Hockey But isn't it a little early to lynch the lukewarm? And how would I know if my vote counted or not until the mod posted a vote count? I know my alignment and it is not guiri. So lets do this vote lightfootFor the smudge that I would know that my vote would count. Plus I am keeping my eye on Guiri, his comment that I must not be reading the game if I thought that peeker and maha are masons. Remember this post? ~~snipped~~ I was voting him for the experiment. I was catching up while getting my hair highlighted so I might have missed either the conclusion of the experiment or the calling off if the experiment. I still would like to see if my vote counts on guiriWhat a curious comment you'd like to see if your vote counts If you’re a neutered RK- you’d know If you’re LE together- you’d know Are you subject to some other vote mechanic that we have not thought of? Care to comment on it now?
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Day Two
Dec 8, 2012 15:54:18 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Dec 8, 2012 15:54:18 GMT -5
neta: and i am not voting pizza for being pizzza. i am voting him for what i consider to be duplicitous views. on one hand he thinks voting pressure/mechanics/whatever are the bee's knees when he suggests it. on the other hand when i suggest it and guiri enhances it he has a conniption. he even goes so far to say i am trying to "break" the game. i just find that highly inconsistent. now could this just be frustrated LG, maybe. but could this be frustrated LE or CE i believe to be more likely. my two cents. I didn't intend to 'down play' your vote the comment you made in the post where you voted led me to 'characterize' pizza's contrary play style and it was very late/early in my time zone- with beer on board
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Dec 8, 2012 15:59:56 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Dec 8, 2012 15:59:56 GMT -5
Ginger was waiting for the official vote count to see if her vote counted... Hockey's vote on me is definitive, my vote on her is based on suspicions from yesterDay coupled with her participation toDay and supported a little by Astral's death. I also suspect Drain and would be willing to join you there. I'd also vote Colby for laying low and being useful. If I do end up lynched today, please make note of my voters. As I said last Night, CE will know I'm not with them, and my blunder with the rules made it clear I wasn't LE or CG either. People who push hard for my lynch should be given the hairy eyeball. You have ONE vote and this is your fourth post this Day talk about a hairy eyeball
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Dec 8, 2012 16:03:56 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Dec 8, 2012 16:03:56 GMT -5
I know my alignment and it is not guiri. And what's this? "it is not guiri"? Are you claiming LE or CE?
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Dec 8, 2012 16:07:48 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Dec 8, 2012 16:07:48 GMT -5
I know my alignment and it is not guiri. And what's this? "it is not guiri"? Are you claiming LE or CE? Another jolly good question
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Dec 8, 2012 16:08:43 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Dec 8, 2012 16:08:43 GMT -5
Plus I am keeping my eye on Guiri, his comment that I must not be reading the game if I thought that peeker and maha are masons. You'll need to explain why this is suspicious. Offensive, possibly, but suspicious?
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Dec 8, 2012 16:22:50 GMT -5
Post by Askthepizzaguy on Dec 8, 2012 16:22:50 GMT -5
I've got nothing to add, and my objections to the mass-vote that was suggested still stand. I'd rather you lynched me now than have to endure such a game.
Unvote, Vote: Askthepizzaguy[/color]
Yes, there is a line. It's unsporting and it breaks the game. I'd rather not play if that's how we'll play it.
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Dec 8, 2012 16:30:08 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Dec 8, 2012 16:30:08 GMT -5
I've got nothing to add, and my objections to the mass-vote that was suggested still stand. I'd rather you lynched me now than have to endure such a game. Unvote, Vote: Askthepizzaguy[/color] Yes, there is a line. It's unsporting and it breaks the game. I'd rather not play if that's how we'll play it.[/quote] Taking your football and going home? There's the search for information and the attempt to break a game- hell it might even have been a ploy to gauge reactions I wager when EOD looms you'll find someone you want to lynch- So what's your gambit here?
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Dec 8, 2012 16:36:53 GMT -5
Post by Askthepizzaguy on Dec 8, 2012 16:36:53 GMT -5
None. You may lynch me.
The mechanics of this game do not allow members of certain teams to vote one another. Any attempt to make everyone in the game vote a certain person could out every member of that team, ending the game in a single move.
It's not something I'll participate in, and if my death is the emphasis needed for that point, do it.
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Dec 8, 2012 16:43:50 GMT -5
Post by Askthepizzaguy on Dec 8, 2012 16:43:50 GMT -5
To put it another way, if claiming roles is legal, but the game host provided no cover roles for the mafia, and everyone in the game were a certain character, mass-claiming immediately breaks such a game and there is no counter to it.
I've played in games like that and refused to claim. This is another example of a perhaps unintended breaking strategy allowed by the rules. Won't do it regardless of who wins or what team I'm on.
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Dec 8, 2012 16:47:23 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Dec 8, 2012 16:47:23 GMT -5
None. You may lynch me. The mechanics of this game do not allow members of certain teams to vote one another. Any attempt to make everyone in the game vote a certain person could out every member of that team, ending the game in a single move. It's not something I'll participate in, and if my death is the emphasis needed for that point, do it. Why the histrionics many simply didn’t participate And there were 2 options to vote for Some stated why Perhaps the data searched for was indeed achieved You have been one to ask “ everyone” to do something you wanted data from – Some sheep won’t herd What’s the real difference? Anyone that knew they would be outed would not do what ever it was that would out them The players that have votes that don’t count KNOW their votes won’t count in what ever scenario so where’s the travesty? one thing from the experiment- don’t you find it interesting that Ginger ‘s comments on said experiment gives us thoughts to ponder?
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Dec 8, 2012 16:48:28 GMT -5
Post by Mahaloth on Dec 8, 2012 16:48:28 GMT -5
Fine, then. I say we proceed with pizza as our lynch for the Day, then.
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Day Two
Dec 8, 2012 16:49:04 GMT -5
Post by Askthepizzaguy on Dec 8, 2012 16:49:04 GMT -5
The folks who refused to cooperate would eventually be voted. It's the same thing.
You don't agree and that's fine. I'm not here to change minds, I'm just stating what I won't do.
Good night folks.
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Dec 8, 2012 16:53:24 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Dec 8, 2012 16:53:24 GMT -5
To put it another way, if claiming roles is legal, but the game host provided no cover roles for the mafia, and everyone in the game were a certain character, mass-claiming immediately breaks such a game and there is no counter to it. I've played in games like that and refused to claim. This is another example of a perhaps unintended breaking strategy allowed by the rules. Won't do it regardless of who wins or what team I'm on. If I'm reading this right - you are assuming a bit here- I'm a major soap boxer for the " character names don't mean anything" train That and I have confidence that an experienced player/mod would take the tricks into consideration when building a game. granted the players can muck up the balance of a game - but- Mods learn from other's mistakes so "breaking" is prevented when ever possible
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Dec 8, 2012 16:55:43 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Dec 8, 2012 16:55:43 GMT -5
Unless I go to base accounting and Pizza is Scum and doesn’t have a cover role so he doesn’t want to play anymore?
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Day Two
Dec 8, 2012 17:11:30 GMT -5
Post by Askthepizzaguy on Dec 8, 2012 17:11:30 GMT -5
No, you're misreading. What I posted was an analogous situation you might find in another game, to provide perspective as to why a game can be broken by player strategy if the rules allow it. My previous posts demonstrated why such is possible here and why I won't participate in such a thing here.
You may choose to believe I am scum for voicing this objection. I'd just give you a friendly heads-up that such an inference can't be made accurately. I would object to this break if I were scum, neutral, or town.
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Dec 8, 2012 17:15:58 GMT -5
Post by dizzymrslizzy on Dec 8, 2012 17:15:58 GMT -5
Pizza you are making this not fun anymore Come on, play along, make a case on someone
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Dec 8, 2012 17:25:12 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Dec 8, 2012 17:25:12 GMT -5
Pizza's argument is:
If we select someone not CG, and everyone votes for that person, then -- assuming the mechanic as proven by peeker and Maha that votes from players on the CG team won't count -- we will have outed every single member of the CG team (and thereby made them easy pickings for the LEs).
Which -- is semi-valid, but confounded by the fact that there are other reasons in this game that a person's vote might not count (e.g., the remorseful vig thing). So I give pizza the hairy eyeball for his self-vote but acknowledge there's some reasoning behind his complaint. It just isn't taking the full dynamics of the game into account.
Also -- peeker and Maha could be looking for a "missing" member of their team and trying to figure out where to look for them. Assuming, of course, that person's lack of vote would give them away.
Still looking for the right place to put my own vote.
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Day Two
Dec 8, 2012 17:40:58 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Dec 8, 2012 17:40:58 GMT -5
No, you're misreading. What I posted was an analogous situation you might find in another game, to provide perspective as to why a game can be broken by player strategy if the rules allow it. My previous posts demonstrated why such is possible here and why I won't participate in such a thing here. You may choose to believe I am scum for voicing this objection. I'd just give you a friendly heads-up that such an inference can't be made accurately. I would object to this break if I were scum, neutral, or town. I was impersonating an arse Aren't they fun to read?
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Dec 8, 2012 17:57:24 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 8, 2012 17:57:24 GMT -5
i swear to og i didn't bring up the whole vote thingy thing again.
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Dec 8, 2012 18:11:03 GMT -5
Post by JustBeingGinger on Dec 8, 2012 18:11:03 GMT -5
I know my alignment and it is not guiri. And what's this? "it is not guiri"? Are you claiming LE or CE? I was at the airport typing that. I mean't to say I know my alignment and it is not on the same team as Guiri. I am not claiming to be either. I know that my vote on you counted and that Peeker's vote on your counted as well. If I believe that he is CG that would leave you CE or LE. Either way I am good with you being lynched. The fact that Town (LG) can only win with either LE or CG and LE is already down 2 people, I am siding with CG and thinking that you are not CG or LG, I am good with voting you. I may switch back once I see if my vote counts on Lightfoot
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Dec 8, 2012 18:13:34 GMT -5
Post by JustBeingGinger on Dec 8, 2012 18:13:34 GMT -5
And how would I know if my vote counted or not until the mod posted a vote count? I know my alignment and it is not guiri. So lets do this vote lightfootFor the smudge that I would know that my vote would count. Plus I am keeping my eye on Guiri, his comment that I must not be reading the game if I thought that peeker and maha are masons. Remember this post? What a curious comment you'd like to see if your vote counts If you’re a neutered RK- you’d know If you’re LE together- you’d know Are you subject to some other vote mechanic that we have not thought of? Care to comment on it now? [/quote] and what I am saying is that I am not a neutered RK and I am not LE, SOOOOOOOO how again would I have known that my vote on his would count. I had no idea of his alignment when I placed the vote on him. If I am missing something, please let me know in dummy language cause I am not seeing what you are really saying.
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Dec 8, 2012 18:16:34 GMT -5
Post by JustBeingGinger on Dec 8, 2012 18:16:34 GMT -5
Plus I am keeping my eye on Guiri, his comment that I must not be reading the game if I thought that peeker and maha are masons. You'll need to explain why this is suspicious. Offensive, possibly, but suspicious? The one time that I played scum, I think we were on the same team, it was told that you try to show disbelief in any type of claims that would possibly confirm town. I am not saying you said that, I am not sure who said that, but it was said. Maybe you should explain to me, why they cannot be masons and what in the previous posts states that there is no way that they can be masons.
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Dec 8, 2012 18:18:05 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 8, 2012 18:18:05 GMT -5
None. You may lynch me. The mechanics of this game do not allow members of certain teams to vote one another. Any attempt to make everyone in the game vote a certain person could out every member of that team, ending the game in a single move. It's not something I'll participate in, and if my death is the emphasis needed for that point, do it. well, the only attempt was to establish that maha and i were on the same team and that part of our alignment was not having our votes show up on each other. and since guiri (who is not part of that team) and mhaye (who is also not part of that team) chimed in it seems fair. and your statement really does reflect knowledge about the mechanics of the game that i otherwise would not have known. so to some extent i would say that you have "broken" the game. jeebuz, here we go again.
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Dec 8, 2012 18:25:51 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 8, 2012 18:25:51 GMT -5
To put it another way, if claiming roles is legal, but the game host provided no cover roles for the mafia, and everyone in the game were a certain character, mass-claiming immediately breaks such a game and there is no counter to it. <snipped> this is crap. weren't you recently bragging about the ability to manufacture false claims for your team mates when the need arose? maybe it was on the geeb but i am fairly certain of it. [point of order]is it at all copacetic to talk about statements on other boards in other games? i really don't know. but i will go with the majority.[/point of order] if the majority says no that is lame then can you redact this entire post. thanks
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Dec 8, 2012 18:28:21 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 8, 2012 18:28:21 GMT -5
Pizza you are making this not fun anymore Come on, play along, make a case on someone he's just pouting because other folks spun his original idea and it was deemed more appropriate.
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Dec 8, 2012 18:33:14 GMT -5
Post by JustBeingGinger on Dec 8, 2012 18:33:14 GMT -5
So Lightfoot you are so suspicious of me, why not vote for me?
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