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Day Two
Feb 8, 2013 12:19:22 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Feb 8, 2013 12:19:22 GMT -5
[/color] When I made my notes for Day1, I have a few red notes , but only one blue. Posts that bugged me were: D1.138: Doesn't seem to understand Christian PMs D1.143: Lokks like backpeddaling D1.288: She seems confused - If she had a Christian PM, it would be more clear [/quote] Her 1st point:Ok here we go,not sure how to copy all the stuff as quotes but if you are interested you can go and reread cos I haven't changed squat, my post from D1. 138 "138 But if your own PM had said the same asIdle's then you would have known that there were exceptions, he was only quoting bits of it." Why didn't I know what was going on in my own PM? Her 2nd point: "Post 143 I have to answer this, my set of clues are similar but not the same as Idle's and I was wrong about what I picked up from you about exceptions. I am so mixing up things in this game." Now I have her, yes I was confused, at least quote the posts so that we can see them, no, difficult? Yes, I can't do it. Most of what Idle said is what I have in my PM and I was surprised that LightFoot got on her high horse about it. My PM is so difficult to do that I was confused. Backpeddling, yes, explaining it, sort of. Now to point 3: "Both these posts sound odd to me, how can you commit a Cardinal sin if you don't have a Cardinal Sin to begin with? From my read of things, you can only commit a sin. Colour me confused here." This post is sooo not me being confused! I was asking a question and probing. Skimming is a scum tell. And I was sarcastic and probing. Vote LauriernFor absolutely taking posts out of context and trying to make a case, gotcha!
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Day Two
Feb 8, 2013 12:20:48 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 8, 2013 12:20:48 GMT -5
There are several people who have not voted yet. I doubt mahaloth's will count as it is not properly formatted.
I'm not saying that filibuster should happen every day, but I do think it's a good option for today. I see your points about using it though.
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Day Two
Feb 8, 2013 12:25:39 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Feb 8, 2013 12:25:39 GMT -5
She's a cop, Lightfoot, and she investigated MrV last night, and when he started getting heat she had to say something. She hasn't said anything more because that'd help Scum figure out what to do about her. But I think you already knew that much yourself. The odds that she's scum, making the play she's making, are pretty danged low, and if she is then that'll come out in time. But I'm happy to add role-fishing to the list of scummy things you've done Today. It's certainly possible that Hockey Monkey is a Cop, but we don't know that. And since you posted this, she has passed up a couple of opportunities to say "yeah, I'm a Cop". So my money is currently on 'not a Cop, but with some private information'. Perhaps a Mason, perhaps something else. I'd also like to point out this post from Day 1, in which you were very certain about the motivations of another player: Patricia was checking for a false claim, not making one. You were wrong then; you appear to have been wrong Today. You might want to rethink making absolute statements like that before people start thinking you have ulterior motives.[/quote] It's possible they're masons, you're right. A lot of things are possible. I think a Mason would be a little more likely to bring a full claim than a Cop, though, don't you?
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Day Two
Feb 8, 2013 12:25:58 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Feb 8, 2013 12:25:58 GMT -5
Stupid borked tags.
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Day Two
Feb 8, 2013 12:35:25 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Feb 8, 2013 12:35:25 GMT -5
Hahaha Lauriern has made 3 posts so far and she seems to have a full analysis The reason I don't want Day to continue is that people with votes on them might just might say something that the Devils will latch onto and NK them + it's boring
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Day Two
Feb 8, 2013 12:46:41 GMT -5
Post by Mahaloth on Feb 8, 2013 12:46:41 GMT -5
Vote billmc
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Day Two
Feb 8, 2013 12:48:48 GMT -5
Post by Mahaloth on Feb 8, 2013 12:48:48 GMT -5
vote filibuster
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Day Two
Feb 8, 2013 13:00:53 GMT -5
Post by wombat99 on Feb 8, 2013 13:00:53 GMT -5
Vote: filibuster
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Day Two
Feb 8, 2013 13:07:05 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Feb 8, 2013 13:07:05 GMT -5
I'd appreciate the extra time to catch up, and from a quick skim there seems to be support so
Vote Filibuster
And in case the filibuster vote isn't successful, as I won't have time to catch up before EOD:
Vote no lynch
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Day Two
Feb 8, 2013 13:21:26 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Feb 8, 2013 13:21:26 GMT -5
Vote filibuster
By my count that puts us at 11 votes for filibuster out of 12 needed. While I don't necessarily agree with extending the Day, if enough people who haven't had enough time to catch up want an extension, I guess there's no harm in giving it to them. So there's one more vote needed in the next two hours.
That being said, if we do filibuster, I expect some concrete analysis and scumhunting from everyone who voted for filibuster (myself included), otherwise you'll be getting a stinky eye from me for stall tactics. Yes, I will stinky eye myself if I need to.
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Day Two
Feb 8, 2013 13:24:38 GMT -5
Post by dizzymrslizzy on Feb 8, 2013 13:24:38 GMT -5
Similarly, Dizzy's post about filibustering for some reason really jumps out at me. The "oh no! Our top 2 candidates claimed Christian! The only thing we can do is filibuster!" reaction seems....odd? That's the best way I can explain it. Also other posts, like her saying she's voting for filibuster because there are no other good lynch choices besides Bill....and yet Bill hasn't claimed and he's currently one of the leading vote-getters. It's odd to me because we've had two whole Days worth of discussion....and yet for some reason Dizzy only has Bill as a target. And yet, even though Bill is close to swinging, she wants to filibuster? Why? It come across to me as false insecurity. Like she wants to look townie by coming up with a reason to filibuster but her reasoning just doesn't make sense. No, you are reading me completely wrong here. My intent was the top two people with votes have both made a claim (or had a claim made for them) which is probably going to lead the masses to unvote them. I am filibustering, because it's better for the Christian GROUP to have more time to discuss and figure out what our best move as a group is instead of rushing to place a vote at EOD now that we have new information. I KNOW I have a vote on Bill. All I know is that there's something about his playstyle here that is bugging me. It doesn't mean he is a devil, and I voted him to try and get some more information from him, but he's yet to defend himself and keeps just "filling". I'd honestly like a better candidate than Bill. I am worried that he has a Jesus type role, although I felt the same way about Patricia. Does Bill have no sin because he is sinless (aka Jesus), or because he's a devil like Patricia...
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Day Two
Feb 8, 2013 13:29:27 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 8, 2013 13:29:27 GMT -5
Vote filibuster
Unvote: Wombat as I think he's answered the point regarding his suggestion of lynching Christians satisfactorily for me - at least in terms of it not being a devilish move. Going back over his posts in detail, I'm much less suspicious of him than I was when I looked at him earlier on.
Back to square one, again... I'm running out of suspects here.
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Day Two
Feb 8, 2013 13:29:48 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Feb 8, 2013 13:29:48 GMT -5
Dizzy, do you think 2 more days will make it clearer? A lot of people don't play on weekends, that's why I thought it better for Night to happen, oh well, only my opinion.
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Day Two
Feb 8, 2013 13:35:13 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 8, 2013 13:35:13 GMT -5
I am filibustering, because it's better for the Christian GROUP to have more time to discuss and figure out what our best move as a group is instead of rushing to place a vote at EOD now that we have new information. I KNOW I have a vote on Bill. All I know is that there's something about his playstyle here that is bugging me. It doesn't mean he is a devil, and I voted him to try and get some more information from him, but he's yet to defend himself and keeps just "filling". And again MrsDizzy pings the heck out of me. I agree with the sentiment here, at least regarding the filibuster, but the vote "for information" bothers me a hella lot. The last person I saw use almost that exact phrase was Ginger in the Wonderland game. I correctly FoS'd her for it then. You don't VOTE for information, you ASK for it. If the person doesn't answer satisfactorily then it might be a different story, but as a tactic you vote to get rid of scum. I've always regarded "informational votes" as a scum excuse, not a town tactic, and I've usually been right. So... Vote: DizzyMrsLizzy.
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Day Two
Feb 8, 2013 13:36:38 GMT -5
Post by scáthach on Feb 8, 2013 13:36:38 GMT -5
Dizzy, do you think 2 more days will make it clearer? A lot of people don't play on weekends, that's why I thought it better for Night to happen, oh well, only my opinion. I know what you mean, but I know that personally I don't have any real scum reads at the moment and none of the current cases are really convincing me. I'm hoping the extra day will give me the time to back over the two days and make a real vote rather than a "Here's the case I hate the least" vote. (Although actually I have time now, but if I'm reading correctly the day will end in 2 hours without filibuster)
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Day Two
Feb 8, 2013 13:37:34 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Feb 8, 2013 13:37:34 GMT -5
Vote filibusterUnvote: Wombat as I think he's answered the point regarding his suggestion of lynching Christians satisfactorily for me - at least in terms of it not being a devilish move. Going back over his posts in detail, I'm much less suspicious of him than I was when I looked at him earlier on. Back to square one, again... I'm running out of suspects here. Wombat is a "She" by the way. I understand her need to know what happens but why risk the lynch of a sinless townie? I'm still not happy with the way she thinks.
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Day Two
Feb 8, 2013 13:39:23 GMT -5
Post by wombat99 on Feb 8, 2013 13:39:23 GMT -5
Vote filibusterUnvote: Wombat as I think he's answered the point regarding his suggestion of lynching Christians satisfactorily for me - at least in terms of it not being a devilish move. Going back over his posts in detail, I'm much less suspicious of him than I was when I looked at him earlier on. Back to square one, again... I'm running out of suspects here. Wombat is a "She" by the way. I understand her need to know what happens but why risk the lynch of a sinless townie? I'm still not happy with the way she thinks. Why do you say it's a risk to lynch a sinless townie? If Idle is to be believed, then that is a good thing (except for the sins it generates).
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Day Two
Feb 8, 2013 13:42:12 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Feb 8, 2013 13:42:12 GMT -5
Dizzy, do you think 2 more days will make it clearer? A lot of people don't play on weekends, that's why I thought it better for Night to happen, oh well, only my opinion. I know what you mean, but I know that personally I don't have any real scum reads at the moment and none of the current cases are really convincing me. I'm hoping the extra day will give me the time to back over the two days and make a real vote rather than a "Here's the case I hate the least" vote. (Although actually I have time now, but if I'm reading correctly the day will end in 2 hours without filibuster) I hear you. Maybe it would be a good thing but I'm here at my PC lol, the more people talk, the more suspects I have. I have never been in a game when I am suspicious of so many people. It could be our weird PM's of course.
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Day Two
Feb 8, 2013 13:43:36 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Feb 8, 2013 13:43:36 GMT -5
Wombat is a "She" by the way. I understand her need to know what happens but why risk the lynch of a sinless townie? I'm still not happy with the way she thinks. Why do you say it's a risk to lynch a sinless townie? If Idle is to be believed, then that is a good thing (except for the sins it generates). He didn't actually say that. To lynch a Townie is still a bad thing.
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Day Two
Feb 8, 2013 13:43:39 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Feb 8, 2013 13:43:39 GMT -5
Wombat is a "She" by the way. I understand her need to know what happens but why risk the lynch of a sinless townie? I'm still not happy with the way she thinks. Why do you say it's a risk to lynch a sinless townie? If Idle is to be believed, then that is a good thing (except for the sins it generates). And except for being down one voting Towny, assuming he's Town. I think I've made up my mind here. Vote: Wombat99
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Day Two
Feb 8, 2013 13:44:25 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 8, 2013 13:44:25 GMT -5
Dizzy, do you think 2 more days will make it clearer? A lot of people don't play on weekends, that's why I thought it better for Night to happen, oh well, only my opinion. ...Do you honestly think we're going to lynch a scum today given the time we have left and the current voting situation? As things stand now that I've unvoted Wombat, the top vote-getter right now is BillMC, the one - in fact, the only - person I felt reasonably safe ruling out as a possible devil yesterday. I also would like to see BillMC explain some of his posts; but I'm voting to lynch devils, not people who act in ways that I can't explain regardless of their alignment.
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Day Two
Feb 8, 2013 13:44:54 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Feb 8, 2013 13:44:54 GMT -5
OH, and BTW to lynch a Townie is always bad.
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Day Two
Feb 8, 2013 13:51:12 GMT -5
Post by scáthach on Feb 8, 2013 13:51:12 GMT -5
Why do you say it's a risk to lynch a sinless townie? If Idle is to be believed, then that is a good thing (except for the sins it generates). The only thing I know for sure in my role PM is that lynching or killing devils is always good, so I'd like to stick to trying that.
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Day Two
Feb 8, 2013 13:55:58 GMT -5
Post by wombat99 on Feb 8, 2013 13:55:58 GMT -5
OH, and BTW to lynch a Townie is always bad. I think we have to stop thinking that this is a traditional Mafia setup and consider more unusual possibilities.
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Day Two
Feb 8, 2013 14:02:31 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Feb 8, 2013 14:02:31 GMT -5
OH, and BTW to lynch a Townie is always bad. I think we have to stop thinking that this is a traditional Mafia setup and consider more unusual possibilities. I am with you there but how is killing a Town with no sins going to help us?
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Day Two
Feb 8, 2013 14:04:37 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Feb 8, 2013 14:04:37 GMT -5
Unless all Town has to die before all scum do.
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Day Two
Feb 8, 2013 14:04:59 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Feb 8, 2013 14:04:59 GMT -5
Oh glod.. What happened while I was gone.
Vote: vote filibuster
I need a serious reread.
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Day Two
Feb 8, 2013 14:08:36 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 8, 2013 14:08:36 GMT -5
Similarly, Dizzy's post about filibustering for some reason really jumps out at me. The "oh no! Our top 2 candidates claimed Christian! The only thing we can do is filibuster!" reaction seems....odd? That's the best way I can explain it. Also other posts, like her saying she's voting for filibuster because there are no other good lynch choices besides Bill....and yet Bill hasn't claimed and he's currently one of the leading vote-getters. It's odd to me because we've had two whole Days worth of discussion....and yet for some reason Dizzy only has Bill as a target. And yet, even though Bill is close to swinging, she wants to filibuster? Why? It come across to me as false insecurity. Like she wants to look townie by coming up with a reason to filibuster but her reasoning just doesn't make sense. No, you are reading me completely wrong here. My intent was the top two people with votes have both made a claim (or had a claim made for them) which is probably going to lead the masses to unvote them. I am filibustering, because it's better for the Christian GROUP to have more time to discuss and figure out what our best move as a group is instead of rushing to place a vote at EOD now that we have new information. And what do you propose we do on Monday morning, when our two new candidates have also claimed to be Christians? I can appreciate that some people legitimately think that three more days will help us make a better choice. I just think that those people are wrong. Unless there are Town folk who have information they are withholding, who decide to reveal that information over the weekend, we're not going to have any more information on Monday morning than we have now. If four days of discussion is not enough to make a good choice, how exactly is three more days of discussing exactly the same information going to make a difference? People keep taking about 'new information', as if we were suddenly inundated with it. Maybe I missed something important, but the only 'new' information I'm aware of is that Hockey Monkey! has claimed that mistervisceral is a Christian. So, let;s evaluate that. - If you think Hockey Monkey is lying, then vote for her and mistervisceral, because they're both Scum. No further discussion needed.
- If you think that Hockey Monkey is telling the truth, but was somehow fed bad information, then vote for mistervisceral, because he's Scum. No further discussion needed.
- If you think that Hockey Monkey's information is correct, then don't vote for either her or mistervisceral. If you have a vote on somebody else, then you presumably think they're Scum, so why shouldn't we lynch them?
Now, there are a few people who have voted for a filibuster who don't have a vote down on any player at the moment. I suppose they could legitimately have no idea who to vote for. There are also people who are voting for Filibuster, and are also voting for one of the two people who are currently tied for the vote lead. This I do not like at all. It says to me "I'm going to throw my vote in with the crowd, so it looks like I'm really taking a stand, but really I'm just pretending." Therefore: vote dizzymrslizzy vote Hockey Monkey! vote KidVermicious vote mahaloth vote Pollux Oil vote texcat vote wombat99
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Day Two
Feb 8, 2013 14:08:55 GMT -5
Post by wombat99 on Feb 8, 2013 14:08:55 GMT -5
I think we have to stop thinking that this is a traditional Mafia setup and consider more unusual possibilities. I am with you there but how is killing a Town with no sins going to help us? I don't know. I just know that Idle's clue says that it's good for Christians to die without sin because they go straight to heaven. Devils probably don't want that to happen, so they won't want to NK or lynch the sinless. That's my take on it.
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Day Two
Feb 8, 2013 14:11:45 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Feb 8, 2013 14:11:45 GMT -5
No, you are reading me completely wrong here. My intent was the top two people with votes have both made a claim (or had a claim made for them) which is probably going to lead the masses to unvote them. Actually, at the time you filibustered, Bill and wombat were pretty heavily in the lead and the two "claims" (Lightfoot and mistervisceral) had already been mostly unvoted. So that's inaccurate. I think we have to stop thinking that this is a traditional Mafia setup and consider more unusual possibilities. I'd much rather put the scum in the position of having to kill off sinless Townies than lynching them and leaving the Devils a wider pool of Townies with sin to kill. If we lynch someone on suspect of them being a Devil and they turn out to be sinless, great. But I think the important thing is to play offensively and not defensively. I feel like specifically targeting sinless Christians for lynch does nothing to a) help identify Devils and b) is a defensive maneuver, except we don't even know what having Christians in Heaven accomplishes at the moment. I'm not moving my vote off you for two reasons: 1) when faced with the noose, you voted filibuster (delay tactics) instead of putting out a claim for us to debate over. 2) Your votes today consist entirely of voting for sinless Christians and you've yet to do any actual scum-hunting. Regardless of how unusual this game is, it's still mafia, so we should still be looking for scum regardless.
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