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Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 13, 2013 12:27:20 GMT -5
...in case anyone is looking for unspoiled chat about the game. PM me directly for spoilers.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Aug 13, 2013 14:32:00 GMT -5
story, put me down as a prospective sub, just in case.
In the meantime, I guess I'll watch the Watchmen...
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Post by crys on Aug 13, 2013 17:27:25 GMT -5
Hello Let the game begin Sent from my SPH-L710 using proboards
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Post by crys on Aug 15, 2013 17:53:21 GMT -5
Oh what a surprise breadcrumbs from pleo
Sent from my SPH-L710 using proboards
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Post by sinjin on Aug 18, 2013 19:43:06 GMT -5
I will be available to sub if needed. Haven't played in a long while
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Post by sinjin on Aug 18, 2013 19:44:32 GMT -5
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Post by sinjin on Aug 19, 2013 20:23:59 GMT -5
So Colby is bringing up a jester role. BS says I. Mahaloth is both for and against Peeks, how convenient. And Pleo is calling out BillMc for not posting enough on day one, hmmmm.
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Post by sinjin on Aug 19, 2013 21:36:01 GMT -5
Paticia doesn't find anyone suspicious. Hah, when I am town I find everyone suspicious on day one. But then again I *know* people are out to get me
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Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 26, 2013 7:42:49 GMT -5
I think I need a sub for peeker. Anyone interested? I'd like to sub someone in by Tuesday at the latest. Order of preference is in the order that you signed up for the sub list (crys, Plankton, sinjin), but I'll use the highest person on that list who confirms interest by tomorrow morning.
Thanks!
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Aug 26, 2013 12:53:35 GMT -5
ooh! i want to sub in. LOL
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Post by sinjin on Aug 26, 2013 19:53:47 GMT -5
I am good to go, need to catch up a little. But as you say, let the others go first if they get back to you before tomorrow Anyone else get a message from some guy looking for top players? Is he legit? I know who my favs are but don't want anyone to get spammed.
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Post by Mahaloth on Aug 26, 2013 22:01:34 GMT -5
I'd gladly sub if I hadn't been scum. Seriously, this is my third game out of the last four where I was scum. I'm either lucky or terribly unlucky.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 28, 2013 8:06:48 GMT -5
OK, I'm calling it. sinjin will sub for peeker. Sinjin, I'll send you the role PM right now.
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Post by sachertorte on Aug 28, 2013 13:54:26 GMT -5
Interesting request by sinjin. I've often wondered what would happen if multiple people joined a game as substitutes and brought baggage from the forbidden thread. In this thread sinjin hasn't said anything too decisive, but I do wonder about a theoretical situation where a non-player comments on the game, states certainty of someone's scumness, then subs in to find that not only is the call correct but the sub is scum too! Ooops. Awkward. A single sub wouldn't have a problem, but if multiple subs came through then things could get sticky regarding the difference in behavior from the forbidden thread and then in the game.
In sinjin's situation, I don't see a huge problem, but in general I don't like the idea of cutting a pasting from the forbidden thread. Sinjin's forbidden thread thoughts are "clean." If she's scum, then she has nothing to fear from forbidden thread posts because they were made before she was scum.
That said, I agree with sinjin. I think patricia is scum.
The game seems pretty standard so far. Obviously, that won't hold out. But for now, everything seems quite typical.
If the jailing power is a per-night power then it clearly can't belong to scum. That would be too powerful. I also feel that Meeko could not have jailed himself. Again, this is assuming a per-night power. If Meeko could jail himself every night, then he becomes unkillable.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Aug 28, 2013 18:58:18 GMT -5
won't anyone join me in the spoilers? LOL
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Post by sachertorte on Aug 30, 2013 13:29:32 GMT -5
Pleonast's claim looks clean to me. I recall looking over a storyteller game long ago where a third party role was viewed as a 'balancer.' It was a role that wanted (needed) the game to last longer. It was designed that way so that if one side took an early lead, the role would try and help the losing side lest the role lose itself. Given that history, I see Pleonast's role as being quite plausible and a good role from a game design standpoint. However, the way Pleonast has chosen to pursue playing this role is surprising. Assuming Pleonast is claiming truthfully, maintaining a Town/scum balance should be Pleonast's priority. It makes me think he knows something about the game setup that I do not. I do agree that getting any win-stealers is of big importance to Pleonast, but really the only thing he can do about that is investigate as much as possible. Even as a claimed third party, Pleonast is a good target for killing from both scum and any killing win-stealers.
I'm also getting a scum feeling about Paranoia. His misinterpretation of Colby having claimed third party doesn't make sense to me. If the thought someone else said Colby claimed third party but he missed the original post (skimming!) then why didn't he go back and try and find the original claim? That's what I would do. If I was under the impression that I had missed a claim, I would go searching for what I missed. That paranoia didn't, makes me think scum.
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Post by sachertorte on Aug 30, 2013 13:47:50 GMT -5
Ha. Dead Town Vig. That's gotta hurt. I can't say that I knew KidV wasn't scum, but I also failed to follow the case against him. Paranoia's 'blaming the victim' could fall either way. As Town, I can see wanting to justify the lynch in a 'I'm not a bad player' sort of way. As scum it becomes a straightforward 'see it was all his fault, all he had to do was play and we wouldn't have lynched him.' Which is, of course, a crock. Had KidV come back to post, he'd still be dead. A claim might have saved him, but I doubt it. I see accusations of SK in this alternate reality. Since I'm already biased against Paranoia, I think it is the latter.
Another thought occurred to me regarding Pleonast's claim. If I were vanilla town, I'd STFU on Day Three and want Pleonast to investigate me. With Mahaloth the GF dead, I wouldn't even have to worry about accusations of being the godfather. I wonder if anyone would purposefully post less to get ON the investigation docket.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Sept 4, 2013 14:34:20 GMT -5
So now that I'm not playing in any game, I find myself with plenty of time...but that's the way it goes, right?
I'm generally dubious about Pleonast's claims, though I recognize that's purely a reflection of my distaste for his 'early claim playstyle'. But in this case, I find myself believing it.
I have to disagree with him regarding Bill, though. I don't think his 'slip' regarding "uncorrupted" means anything at all. For one thing, I'd think that someone who was not Town would be more likely to read and understand the Sample Town PM, in case it became necessary to emulate it. The people who skim over their PMs, and thus miss the subtleties included therein, tend in my experience to be Vanilla Town.
I don't like peeker/sinjin's claim. It may very well be true, but if so I think it's too dangerous to allow him to survive. If he's allowed to switch sides whenever he likes. then the Town cannot rely on him to help meet its win-condition. He may be 'pro-Town' at this point, but if the tide turns, Town cannot rely on him. Also, he was disingenuous at best when he claimed "I am the most innocuous of 3rd parties out there, the survivor." The second half of that statement may be true, but the first is most certainly questionable. In the interest of full disclosure, I am quite firmly planted in the "kill all Third-Parties while you have the chance" camp...which I think might be a flaw in my own play, but so far I find myself unable to change in that area.
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Post by Colby11 on Sept 5, 2013 0:54:22 GMT -5
Well, I lost....
Knew I should of just been scum, I was successful a number of times as scum recently.... But that didn't seem to work.
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Post by BillMc on Sept 6, 2013 13:43:42 GMT -5
c'est la vie
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Post by sachertorte on Sept 10, 2013 12:44:10 GMT -5
I don't understand all the Meeko votes.
Meeko's suspicion of TexCat, while not traditional, is not exactly unexplained. Meeko stated quite clearly, especially for him, that he suspects that TexCat's vote-spree is power-related. His assumption is not without merit. I do disagree with his conclusion that this makes TexCat scummy, but he has stated his reason. What Meeko needs to realize is that a vote-spree activated power could just as easily be a Town-power as a scum power.
The digression to The Princess Bride game piques my interest. The accusation is that scum jailing scum should be considered commonplace. My issue with this assertion is that no one has mentioned whether or not the jailing power in The Princess Bride matches the apparent power of the jailer in this game. I don't recall any jailing that would take someone out of lynch jeopardy. Giving such a power to scum is crazy in my opinion. If my assumption is correct and the Jailer in The Princess Bride was functionally different from this game's jailer, then I would be very suspicious of the players trying to make that false comparison.
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Post by sachertorte on Sept 11, 2013 16:09:37 GMT -5
Now that [TexCat's observation that Meeko didn't flip out about being jailed] is a decent reason to suspect Meeko is the jailer. However, Meeko being the jailer doesn't indicate that Meeko is scum.
I am still left wondering about a scum being able to prevent scum from being lynched, but the current jailing mechanism is far better than secretly protecting from lynch. At least this way, the lynch is not directly messed up (fail), which is a thousand times more irksome.
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Post by sachertorte on Sept 13, 2013 15:21:55 GMT -5
Heh, With third party winners leaving the game, Pleonast's 6th Day win condition doesn't look quite like the cake walk it did before.
Also, the commentary about Swammerdami vs. Bill is making me think swammerdami is a potential PFK. Storyteller likes to pit players against each other. Swammerdami is clearly Bill's foil. Since Bill was PFK, that makes swammerdami a potential PFK as well. Though, now that I type that out, I realize that if Bill knew swammerdami was his counter-PFK, he would have explicitly stated as such before he died.
With these sudden and relatively early 3rd party winners, I'm much more interested in spoilers than I usually am.
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Post by sachertorte on Sept 16, 2013 14:51:16 GMT -5
Well Paranoia's claim explains his Colby weirdness. Darn, and I thought I found scum. Good thing I'm not playing!
And I don't recall storyteller liking Millers at all. It's a shame that the new players, especially those from a different game culture, are likely to get burnt from 'obvious' design differences. The fact that he didn't outright say Paranoia was lying pretty much makes Fruit and Garbage the mandatory lynch at this point. Even if storyteller had a penchant for Millers, they would still have to lynch Fruit and Garbage. His only possible way out (temporarily) would be to claim Paranoia was outright lying.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 16, 2013 17:13:21 GMT -5
texcat has a good point, too.
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Post by sachertorte on Sept 17, 2013 9:20:14 GMT -5
texcat has a good point, too. I had forgotten about Pleonast's claim. Actually, I would say that Pleonast's claim makes a Miller Role more likely rather than less. Millers are a pain because you HAVE to kill them. There isn't any other way to verify alignment. Pleonast's claim, as stated, could have yielded a 'true alignment' result had he investigated Fruit twice. It's still a high price to pay, and I think if the situation had arisen, I'd push for a lynch anyway so that Pleonast could investigate someone else; but at least the option existed. A contradiction in role PM is quite possibly an oversight by storyteller. With so many roles and powers, cross-checking each one is difficult and mistakes are bound to happen. However, I still don't believe Fruit and Garbage. If I had a Miller role and I saw that there was an investigator who could clear that up for me, I would have claimed after Pleonast's claim. An unpressured Miller claim holds tons more weight. I think that Fruit didn't claim back on Day Two because he is scum. This is especially true since his only way of losing the Miller tag was dead at the dawn of Day Two.
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Post by sachertorte on Sept 27, 2013 12:55:30 GMT -5
I'm surprised that they are still going to lynch Patricia. I have no idea if she is scum or not, but for the record I lean 'not'. My surprise comes from the fact that Paranoia investigated her and found her to have started as 3rd party. With TexCat's claim, I'm left wondering why no one is willing to leave Patricia for today and have TexCat investigate her at night to see if her alignment changed. Seems pretty straightforward to me, and I'm surprised no one suggested it. Perhaps I'm missing something.
Of course that would mean they need to lynch someone else. I still think swammerdami needs to die as a potential PFK.
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