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Post by abstain on Aug 25, 2013 0:25:11 GMT -5
That's a big part of why I advocate lynching active players early on! I'd definitely agree that silverjan is in a pretty not-scum (but not necessarily not-anti-town) position, but I'd be hesitant to read much into dizzymrslizzy's alignment based on her vote: by the time she'd voted, mahaloth was pretty clearly going to be the day's lynchee, and I've seen too many scum jump on a doomed scummate late in the voting process to get a little bit of town cred to trust her more than anyone else yet. That said, I don't think you were saying "Oh, lizzy's clear" or anything. Just mentioning I don't really feel like I agree with the reasoning behind reading her as light town yet. Conversely, I'm a little leery of Patricia now that Mahaloth flipped scum: it'd be a pretty rookie move on their part of they were coaligned and that clumsily trying to vote together, but it's still worth considering. I'm not voting for her just yet β for all I know, Mahaloth was just trying to opportunistically latch onto what he saw as an easy vote β but she's on my list of People To Watch now. To me, this post is worth looking at because of a few things, mostly to do with the last paragraph. From the post, I feel like she/he thinks that they might be voting together (which seems a bit silly all things considered), but what f/g seems to be doing is trying to apply mahaloth to patricia in the hopes of a mislynch down the line. Discredit her now, and push it later. In any case, I feel like this is possibly scum trying to make the best of a bad situation. Does anyone else see this in the last paragraph? I know you guys are a little bit more roundabout in your scum hunting.
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Post by FruitAndGarbage on Aug 25, 2013 11:02:28 GMT -5
It does say I'm a dude right beneath my avatar. The whole point of a scumhunt is to try to use the things people say and do to establish who's with the town and who isn't, and one tool to do that is to establish links between knowns and unknowns. I'm certainly not going to apologize or try to justify doing just that. If it turns out I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but there's no point in hanging onto suspicions because they're not very strong yet: players being worried about being suspected for voicing their thoughts has a chilling effect on the game, and only scum should really be worried about the consequences of being seen to be wrong. If I were scum and knew Patricia were town, I wouldn't say anything because I wouldn't want to be tied to a mislynch down the line as the first person to bring it up; if I were scum and knew she were also scum, I wouldn't say anything at all because there's very little reason to throw her under the bus yet since neither of us are being suspected of much; there's only really any reason to mention my suspicion as town, because a townie can afford to play incautiously. It's good that you mentioned you don't like my reasoning for the same reason it was good I posted it in the first place (mo' posts, less problems), but I also feel like it's worth floating the scenario that you and Patricia are coaligned and you're trying to divert suspicion off her and onto me because I'm right. These are all things to pay attention to as the game progresses, which was the whole point of my post about Patricia, but none of them are what I'd call actionable yet. Just things everyone should keep in mind as interactions and connections become more cemented. I will point out, though, that asking for players to agree with one is generally a pretty scummy thing: if you won't commit to a suspicion or plan of action, it's because you're more worried about how you'll be seen when it goes through than the results themselves. Dropping unpopular thoughts and plans is something people do when they want to seem town, not when they are. Abstain, Fruit&Garbage, Paranoia and Meeko effectively took no part in the day beyond a joke vote (marked with *). I don't think I really like how you're trying to characterize my vote as purely a joke vote or to diminish my activity during the day. I pretty clearly lined out in this post why my vote was staying where it was. Would it have been any different if I'd unvoted and revoted, or did you just not bother reading everything I said? Curiously enough, I raised some concerns about your own play in that same post, which you never bothered to respond to. Or even to direct questioning by Pleo. Why is that?
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Post by Meeko on Aug 25, 2013 16:56:21 GMT -5
So it looks likely the scum team were not around to try and save mahaloth. Abstain, Fruit&Garbage, Paranoia and Meeko effectively took no part in the day beyond a joke vote (marked with *). No vote from Peeker. #50 Meeko random votes Cookies I take issue with this too. If the scum team were around to save Mahaloth, what would that have looked like? Please define "joke" vote. Please define random. Please define random vote in the context of day one. When cookies asked me to vote her, how then is it random? Or where you skimming? Indeed, how can someone without pis not random vote on day one? ..... What makes your vote not random? What motivation do you have here? What perfect information do you have here, to falsely label my vote as joke/random?
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Post by Sister Coyote on Aug 25, 2013 20:26:59 GMT -5
I didn't question Abstain's post #25 in post #39. I offered a potential interpretation of his vote (that it turns out was wrong, but whatddyagonnado?)
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Post by abstain on Aug 25, 2013 20:29:36 GMT -5
Personally, I don't see anyone saw it as anything other then random. Why would I have a grudge against someone I don't know?
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Post by Colby11 on Aug 26, 2013 0:03:25 GMT -5
I'd also be happy with a vote on Cookies, seemed to me to put a lazy vote on sept, Colby I'm also happy to vote, scummy as all get out. Texcat is always pretty scummy so not much can be done there, give her a day before I make a proper decision. Though I'm leaning town because I like what she has done so far (even with her scummitude). Finally, patricia seems lost, so I'm marking her down as possible townie unless thats how she plays. There are other I'm not commenting on, but going into tomorrow, the people I want to put pressure on are as follows: Bill, Dizzy, Colby and F/G for a post he//she made in the thread above, How am I scummy as all get out? I saw a case that I agreed with, voted for it, and got out the Godfather. If I was scum, would I have made that move? Hell no! (And for the record, I'm not scum. Go look somewhere else, you're wasting time on me.) You suspect me twice in the same post, yet you are the one who comes across as suspicious to me from this post. True, Bill's post makes me suspicious of him. I think everyone is suspicious of him now. Which means that he might have done that to prevent him from being NK'ed. Why Dizzy and FruitandGarbage? What did they do?
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Post by Colby11 on Aug 26, 2013 0:13:01 GMT -5
That's a big part of why I advocate lynching active players early on! I'd definitely agree that silverjan is in a pretty not-scum (but not necessarily not-anti-town) position, but I'd be hesitant to read much into dizzymrslizzy's alignment based on her vote: by the time she'd voted, mahaloth was pretty clearly going to be the day's lynchee, and I've seen too many scum jump on a doomed scummate late in the voting process to get a little bit of town cred to trust her more than anyone else yet. That said, I don't think you were saying "Oh, lizzy's clear" or anything. Just mentioning I don't really feel like I agree with the reasoning behind reading her as light town yet. Conversely, I'm a little leery of Patricia now that Mahaloth flipped scum: it'd be a pretty rookie move on their part of they were coaligned and that clumsily trying to vote together, but it's still worth considering. I'm not voting for her just yet β for all I know, Mahaloth was just trying to opportunistically latch onto what he saw as an easy vote β but she's on my list of People To Watch now. To me, this post is worth looking at because of a few things, mostly to do with the last paragraph. From the post, I feel like she/he thinks that they might be voting together (which seems a bit silly all things considered), but what f/g seems to be doing is trying to apply mahaloth to patricia in the hopes of a mislynch down the line. Discredit her now, and push it later. In any case, I feel like this is possibly scum trying to make the best of a bad situation. Does anyone else see this in the last paragraph? I know you guys are a little bit more roundabout in your scum hunting. I see this now... It could be painting Patricia as possible scum, but I just see this as possible scum hunting at the moment. Though, you can be right. But, I don't see it. What scares me more is that scum didn't come to Mahaloth's aid.... Either they didn't care, or they weren't around.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 26, 2013 7:04:58 GMT -5
Sorry for the delay; we got home very late last night. Dawn to come in a few minutes. It may take some time for all post-Dawn PMs to go out, as there are quite a few. Thanks! :-)[/b]
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