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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 11, 2013 18:00:07 GMT -5
The Wicked Witch was so angry when she saw her black bees in little heaps like fine coal that she stamped her foot and tore her hair and gnashed her teeth. And then she called a dozen of her slaves, who were the Winkies, and gave them sharp spears, telling them to go to the strangers and destroy them.
The Winkies were not a brave people, but they had to do as they were told. So they marched away until they came near to Dorothy. Then the Lion gave a great roar and sprang towards them, and the poor Winkies were so frightened that they ran back as fast as they could.
One of them didn't run, though. One of them was so frightened by the lion after the stories the other Winkies had told of big cat attacks that he fell over flat dead.
swammerdami, Winkie, Vanilla Town has been lynched.
Night One begins now. It will end on Sunday, October 13, at 4 p.m. Pacific. barring incursion of family.
Night Actions need to be to the Mod via PM no later than 3 p.m. Pacific on Sunday, October 13
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 11, 2013 18:03:19 GMT -5
Reminder that Night Strategy is allowed.Because I know some of you haven't read the rules thread since I first posted it. Lord knows I do the same thing when I'm a player.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 11, 2013 18:17:25 GMT -5
Geez, what's with the color? You'd think I was scum based on it. You're not doing a bastard mod thing, are you? Or maybe there's more than one wicked witch in this game. In the movie there's one of the East too, although she's not in the story long. Hey, maybe the whole point of this game is that the Wicked Witch of the East is finally getting her revenge! Maybe her and cohorts of hers comprises the scum team! It doesn't say which Wicked Witch, after all. Anyway, time to choose someone for protection. I'll try to get as many as I can before I die, although I don't feel myself long for this game either way.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 11, 2013 18:22:17 GMT -5
Nevermind...I just looked up "Wicked Witch" and "Winkie" and it was me (the West witch) after all who had control of them.
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 11, 2013 18:39:45 GMT -5
Don't you think Sp looks the slightest bit scummy? You can vote for him. I can just see if SP is Town then I will be next but thats's ok I think SP is scum is his case on idle your only reason? It's his odd case on Idle, it's not a real case, it's based on misunderstandings and misreadings, so yes, I suppose that is my case on him.
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 11, 2013 18:45:07 GMT -5
It's nearly 2am here and Iknew it was too late to save swammer, sorry. I just wishe he had put more of his thoughts down
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 11, 2013 19:40:03 GMT -5
is his case on idle your only reason? It's his odd case on Idle, it's not a real case, it's based on misunderstandings and misreadings, so yes, I suppose that is my case on him. What exactly is my case on Idle, in your opinion? Please restate it, in your own words...
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Post by FruitAndGarbage on Oct 11, 2013 19:46:29 GMT -5
At the very least, the list of players voting for swammer is a reasonable place to start forming some opinions.
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Post by swammerdami on Oct 11, 2013 23:20:16 GMT -5
Go Winkies! Go Town! ۞ ۞ ۞ ۞ ۞ ۞ ۞ ۞ ۞
- - - - ഭᘺѦᘻᘻᗴ℞ᗦѦᘻΪ
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Post by BillMc on Oct 12, 2013 9:13:39 GMT -5
Sorry folks, I had hoped to have more time but RL got in the way. In Maskerade I was going to wait to D2 before posting my suspicions, but got killed off N1; so since we can talk strategy at night I'm not going to make that mistake again. Idle - I'm inclined to believe the majority of his claim, the role seems biased toward town so I'm still warey that he could be a win stealer. Colby - potentially outting a mason isn't particularly pro-town Pleo and the related multivote discussion...personally i don't particularly like multivote and tend to stick with single votes, but there is nothing scummy in being pro-multivote. Now Jan tied Swammeri with Pleo & Fruit with her D1.93 vote, mahaloth unvotes Swammeri then Fruit votes him making it a three way tie. Fruit is the lynch candidate. Swammeri unvoted Fruit in D1.105 making Pleo the lynchee; TLD and Patricia then both vote swammeri putting him in to the lead. TLD's vote is reasoned, tho Patricia's "I don't see the other cases as having much at this time so for now" is just jumping on the Swammeri-wagon - as called out by Plankton and Pleo. Patricia's subsequent "voting for no voters" just seems a "look I am multivoting" statement. D1.110 Swammeri claims vanilla and accepts being lynched - he is not making a "i'm town, dont lynch me" plea. Jan responds with " Just saying that you are a Vanilla Townie isn't really good enough." D1.123 Archangel votes Fruit for "he or she is pinging my gut" putting Fruit back into joint 2nd place. then places a vote on Plankton for reasons including his vote on Patricia. With less than 2 hrs to go, Jan appears to have a change of heart, and wants to save a claimed vanilla. I don't think I Can change anything but SP really looks scummy at the moment. Unvote: Swammerdammi Vote: suburban plankton Prior to your unvote it was: swammerdami (5,6) FruitAndGarbage (4,4) Pleonast (4,4) patricia (4,4) With your unvote you made it: swammerdami (4,6) FruitAndGarbage (4,4) Pleonast (4,4) patricia (4,4) Jan says she thinks she cannot change anything - yet if she really wanted to save swammer she could have voted for fruit, pleo or patricia. This looks like a weak move to try and gain some town cred - the vote on plankton seems throw away - she would have needed two more people to vote plankton for him to be lynched and her argument for that was "SP really looks scummy at the moment". It's nearly 2am here and Iknew it was too late to save swammer, sorry. I just wishe he had put more of his thoughts down "Woe is me - I knew he was town but couldnt save him". At this point in time, Jan and Patricia look scummiest to me.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 12, 2013 10:46:05 GMT -5
Colby said he wasn't part of the Mason/Pleo's group, though (in the same post he says Pleo is a Mason).
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 12, 2013 13:52:08 GMT -5
Am I the only one who's greatly troubled about Colby's statements regarding Pleonast? Not the possible "outing a Mason", but what came before...
How did Colby know about Pleo's 'powerless, but non-Vanilla' role before Pleo claimed it? If they were Masons, that would have explained it, but that's apparently not the case. The only other explanations I can think of are that they are Scum, or that they are a third-party faction. But in either of those cases, I don't see why Colby would have made that statement to begin with, since it seemed designed only to call attention to Pleo's 'unusual' role.
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Post by BillMc on Oct 12, 2013 15:49:04 GMT -5
i guess it depends how folks read Pleo's initial mangled claim: First off, I do have any powers this game. I am not making any other claims (explicit or implicit) at this time. as "I do have powers in this game" or "I do not have any powers in this game" - so either a vanilla claim or a power claim. However, on re-reading, Colby's post does raise a point: Pleonast claimed to not have a power that he can "use"... That has caught my attention at the moment, because there are only a few roles that I can think of that fits that. I can't see anything in any of Pleo's posts prior to Colby's where he makes the comment about a power he cannot use - maybe I'm missing it or the search isn't finding it - can you enlighten me as to where that claim is made Colby? Later on Pleo does clarify this in response to Plankton's questions I do not have any powers this game. I'm not claiming to be vanilla. I'm sure someone will complain about that, but I'll split hairs for now.
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 12, 2013 16:53:17 GMT -5
Honestly, I thought I read somewhere where he said that he had a power, but not one that he can use... I will read back through again to double check where my thought process is
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 12, 2013 17:00:27 GMT -5
Rereading...
And I think that the thing that threw me was how Pleonast phrased his claim
"First off, I do have any powers this game. I am not making any other claims (explicit or implicit) at this time."
It felt off to me (it could have been a typo as someone pointed out), but I linked it to him possibly having a power that he can't use. Whether I am right, I have absolutely no idea. All I know is my role.
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Post by Meeko on Oct 12, 2013 21:40:29 GMT -5
Then again, putting aside alignment, what is the difference between Masons (with an off board) and Scum?
Would Colby simply offer that he is not a mason with Pleonast, a true statement in itself, to get town cred, and distance from his scummate Pleo?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 13, 2013 0:57:14 GMT -5
How does his statement garner Colby any Town cred?
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 13, 2013 1:10:26 GMT -5
How does his statement garner Colby any Town cred? The only way that I would gain any credit at all is if Pleonast flipped scum. Otherwise, I'm probably enemy number 1. I don't know whether Pleonast is town, scum, 3rd party, or a zoo animal. All I know is that I'm town, and I'm looking for scum
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 13, 2013 7:29:48 GMT -5
BillMc, I already had a vote on FruitAndGarbage, pleo is making a lot of sense and Patricia is playing the way she normally does so I didn't think they were options. I will have to do another reread to see what I felt so strongly about SP that I voted for him at the end.
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Post by BillMc on Oct 13, 2013 8:07:00 GMT -5
You have to do a re-read to see why you felt strongly about SP? This sounds very much like you are searching for a reason to justify your vote.
as you say, you already have a vote on Fruit - why did you not push for a Fruit lynch rather than an SP lynch? It would have only taken one more vote on Fruit to have him lynched.
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 13, 2013 10:09:51 GMT -5
You have to do a re-read to see why you felt strongly about SP? This sounds very much like you are searching for a reason to justify your vote. as you say, you already have a vote on Fruit - why did you not push for a Fruit lynch rather than an SP lynch? It would have only taken one more vote on Fruit to have him lynched. How would I have achieved that? It's all very well in theory but it's a bit different when you are playing. I didn't know what the vote count was (I hardly ever do). I just felt that SP was misreading things deliberately. I am not going to spend the whole game defending what I did, I did it, if you want to vote for me then that is your prerogative but I am Town. I usually play games on my gut feel, I hardly ever analyse votes except when it's glaringly obvious that someone is trying to save a scum buddy.I have been lynched before because of the way I play and I will be again. Just a last thought, if I had pushed for a Fruit vote and he flips Town, where would that leave me? Oh yes, SJ pushed for a Fruit vote, she must be scum. Once again, damned if I do and damned if I don't. As a D1 one vote on SP how much would you want me to say about it? It was a feeling, just as it was a feeling that swammerwas being truthful. Your insights seem to be well thought out but have you considered the possibility that you are wrong. Scum tend to hide on D1, if I was scum why would I have done anything even a tiny bit controversial unless I was a hopeless player.
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Post by patricia on Oct 13, 2013 12:09:42 GMT -5
Bill seems to be the only un-voting player who is still looking for scum - maybe the others are busy or maybe just scum
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Post by thelastdays on Oct 13, 2013 12:48:44 GMT -5
Well it's interesting that you acknowledge tha Bill is looking for scum but have nothing to say about the points he raised about yourself.
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Post by BillMc on Oct 13, 2013 12:57:04 GMT -5
How would I have achieved that? It's all very well in theory but it's a bit different when you are playing. I didn't know what the vote count was (I hardly ever do). I just felt that SP was misreading things deliberately. You seemed to think that you could rally multiple votes against SP, but not against Fruit? You didn't know what the vote count was? your posts for voting SP are bracketed by SisC providing vote counts 165 SisC provides a vote count 166 You vote SP 167 A few minutes later you try and rally support for an SP lynch 168 A few minutes later SisC provides an updated vote count 169 you post again 170 and again I hardly ever analyse votes except when it's glaringly obvious that someone is trying to save a scum buddy. And how would you know when it was glaring obvious? Just a last thought, if I had pushed for a Fruit vote and he flips Town, where would that leave me? Oh yes, SJ pushed for a Fruit vote, she must be scum. Once again, damned if I do and damned if I don't. Yes, you would be questioned about your actions - held accountable for your vote - that's part of the game. As a D1 one vote on SP how much would you want me to say about it? It was a feeling, just as it was a feeling that swammerwas being truthful. Your insights seem to be well thought out but have you considered the possibility that you are wrong. Scum tend to hide on D1, if I was scum why would I have done anything even a tiny bit controversial unless I was a hopeless player. My point is that you were convinced swammeri was scum, then had a late change of heart. But that just unvoting swammeri you attempted to start a bandwagon on Plankton. I always consider the possibility that I am wrong. Really? so anyone loud and making a point cannot be scum, and anyone quite is scum - that's a pretty broad generalisation with mountains of evidence from prior games that that theory doesn't hold water.
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Post by BillMc on Oct 13, 2013 13:05:44 GMT -5
At the very least, the list of players voting for swammer is a reasonable place to start forming some opinions. Handy that you removed your vote on swammeri... Anyway, I am becoming increasingly convinced swammerdami is the wrong choice today, so I'm going to unvote: swammerdami, while being fully aware that this looks like abandoning a wagon I know is going to be successful but a lynch townie, which would be great scum play if it weren't so obvious. Oh well! I just seriously doubt we're going to hit scum on him. What worries me is that we're not really going to get anything out of his flip: if he turns up town, everyone voting for him is doing it because they don't like the way he's voting, rather than because they have any other reason to suspect he's scum. I know that's why I was, but that wasn't really a very good reason. ...and previously stated that you didn't think we were going to get something out of his flip - but now you want think we do.
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Post by BillMc on Oct 13, 2013 13:07:25 GMT -5
Honestly, I thought I read somewhere where he said that he had a power, but not one that he can use... I will read back through again to double check where my thought process is Rereading... And I think that the thing that threw me was how Pleonast phrased his claim "First off, I do have any powers this game. I am not making any other claims (explicit or implicit) at this time." It felt off to me (it could have been a typo as someone pointed out), but I linked it to him possibly having a power that he can't use. Whether I am right, I have absolutely no idea. All I know is my role. Fair enough, tho you seemed absolutely convinced he was a mason.
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Post by Chameleon on Oct 13, 2013 14:14:21 GMT -5
So very sorry everyone! I completely forgot about the game (and now you, and I, just lost The Game - ha!). Because I clearly have memory problems and rely on an unreliable computer to keep webpage tabs open for me to remember to do anything, could those who are facebook friends remind me there if I haven't appeared here for a while? Genuinely sorry, and appreciate that you didn't lynch me because I wasn't around. I will do better
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 13, 2013 15:19:18 GMT -5
Well it's interesting that you acknowledge tha Bill is looking for scum but have nothing to say about the points he raised about yourself. Like I said, vote for me, I couldn't be arsed, I am A Gillikin, whatever that is, it wasn't in the movie as far as I can remember. I DID raise the points that BillMc had against me and I tried to answer them all. I haven't reread SP cos it's a weekend. Hmmm looking at me as scum already.
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 13, 2013 15:27:21 GMT -5
So very sorry everyone! I completely forgot about the game (and now you, and I, just lost The Game - ha!). Because I clearly have memory problems and rely on an unreliable computer to keep webpage tabs open for me to remember to do anything, could those who are facebook friends remind me there if I haven't appeared here for a while? Genuinely sorry, and appreciate that you didn't lynch me because I wasn't around. I will do better So what are your thoughts on the game so far?
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 13, 2013 17:04:22 GMT -5
Night actions are closed. Dawn will break in one hour.
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