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Day Two
Sept 30, 2008 14:37:18 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Sept 30, 2008 14:37:18 GMT -5
Buffty I don't understand, if she really is the mild mannered janitor, why she didn't just say so in the first place. There may have been a few raised eyebrows and quite a few votes thrown her way but I doubt it would've been the landslide we've seen toDay and she could very well have survived. You really think that do you. That there would only have been a few raised eyebrows. Did you not notice the dustup about the missing 's'. My role pm is really not like the others and I'm not even a character in the verse. zeriel, I have admitted to being a PFK, I'm a survivor with a couple of perks.
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Day Two
Sept 30, 2008 14:41:04 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Sept 30, 2008 14:41:04 GMT -5
In reality I was totally pissed (heh I said pissed Santo) by the Kat purple post because I got the pm from story saying my purpling would be secret just minutes before Kat posted. I figured with my stupid role, Idle dead and Santo pointing the finger that no one would listen to me. And that's the way it was going. So I decided to give you all a good reason to vote me off and btw mislynch all at once and made my stupid Rogue claim. Below is my pissy note to story and his response to me. Definately not my finest hour.
I later reconsidered and real claimed, but probably too late. So even though I'll be seeing you tomorrow, I guess I won't blame you if you go right back and lynch me again. Nah, I'll probably get vigged tonight. The old boy's pulled me thru a lot of scrapes but he is almost 400 in doggie years and doesn't have many more saves left in him, I fear. (He prefers to be referred to by his real gender even though he was forced into being a cross-furrer for years)
sinjin:
story:
Sorry, I feel like an idiot. I now return you to your regularly scheduled game.
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Day Two
Sept 30, 2008 14:52:33 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Sept 30, 2008 14:52:33 GMT -5
In reality I was totally pissed (heh I said pissed Santo) by the Kat purple post because I got the pm from story saying my purpling would be secret just minutes before Kat posted. I figured with my stupid role, Idle dead and Santo pointing the finger that no one would listen to me. And that's the way it was going. So I decided to give you all a good reason to vote me off and btw mislynch all at once and made my stupid Rogue claim. Below is my pissy note to story and his response to me. Definately not my finest hour. If you're on the town's side, why on Earth wouldn't you claim your real role? Why would you want us to mislynch? I later reconsidered and real claimed, but probably too late. So even though I'll be seeing you tomorrow, I guess I won't blame you if you go right back and lynch me again. Nah, I'll probably get vigged tonight. The old boy's pulled me thru a lot of scrapes but he is almost 400 in doggie years and doesn't have many more saves left in him, I fear. (He prefers to be referred to by his real gender even though he was forced into being a cross-furrer for years) How exactly will you be seeing us tomorrow? Unless a ton of people switch their votes in the next 4 hours you know you're still getting lynched, right? --FCOD
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Day Two
Sept 30, 2008 14:57:36 GMT -5
Post by Rysto on Sept 30, 2008 14:57:36 GMT -5
Yes, there's the possibility she has some kind of Jester role but I'm hoping Story's dislike of recruitment rules that out. Typically, Jester doesn't refer to a role like the Jester in Terminator. A Jester is usually a role that wins instantly if it gets lynched. Note that story has explicitly ruled out recruitment in this game.
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Day Two
Sept 30, 2008 15:06:56 GMT -5
Post by Almost Human on Sept 30, 2008 15:06:56 GMT -5
Yes, there's the possibility she has some kind of Jester role but I'm hoping Story's dislike of recruitment rules that out. Typically, Jester doesn't refer to a role like the Jester in Terminator. A Jester is usually a role that wins instantly if it gets lynched. Note that story has explicitly ruled out recruitment in this game. Oh - didn't realise that. Presumably we can still win even if that does happen though? It'd be a complete bummer for the game to be over this quickly otherwise.
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Day Two
Sept 30, 2008 15:08:34 GMT -5
Post by Almost Human on Sept 30, 2008 15:08:34 GMT -5
Buffty I don't understand, if she really is the mild mannered janitor, why she didn't just say so in the first place. There may have been a few raised eyebrows and quite a few votes thrown her way but I doubt it would've been the landslide we've seen toDay and she could very well have survived. You really think that do you. That there would only have been a few raised eyebrows. Did you not notice the dustup about the missing 's'. My role pm is really not like the others and I'm not even a character in the verse. zeriel, I have admitted to being a PFK, I'm a survivor with a couple of perks. Perhaps more than a few raised eyebrows but I doubt you'd have been the only lynch candidate toDay. By the way are you claiming you have a dog that can save your arse in the event of a lynch?
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Day Two
Sept 30, 2008 15:09:55 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Sept 30, 2008 15:09:55 GMT -5
It seems like my role has been changing capriciously starting with the changes just before the game began, continuing during the clarification PM's and now this. I've got no axe to grind. I like this game. However, I don't like being fucked with. That had nothing to do with your role. It was mine. But I already made that very clear. Regardless, I'm still interested in your "Timmy" PM. I think it'd be quite humorous. Thanks in advance.
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Day Two
Sept 30, 2008 15:17:30 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Sept 30, 2008 15:17:30 GMT -5
How exactly will you be seeing us tomorrow? Unless a ton of people switch their votes in the next 4 hours you know you're still getting lynched, right? --FCOD I believe she's referring to this part of her message: In other words, she's claiming that Lassie is once again going to be saving little Timmy, this time from falling off a cliff.
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Day Two
Sept 30, 2008 15:18:51 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Sept 30, 2008 15:18:51 GMT -5
LOL! I see. Well, we'll just see about that, won't we.
--FCOD
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Day Two
Sept 30, 2008 15:25:44 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Sept 30, 2008 15:25:44 GMT -5
So little Timmy grew up to be a janitor, eh? He must've gotten an English degree.
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Day Two
Sept 30, 2008 15:40:33 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Sept 30, 2008 15:40:33 GMT -5
Typically, Jester doesn't refer to a role like the Jester in Terminator. A Jester is usually a role that wins instantly if it gets lynched. Note that story has explicitly ruled out recruitment in this game. Oh - didn't realise that. Presumably we can still win even if that does happen though? It'd be a complete bummer for the game to be over this quickly otherwise. Woah, there! Do you want to explain, Almost Human, why you are not familiar with the Townie win condition? It very explicitly states what happens if a solo third-party wins.
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Day Two
Sept 30, 2008 15:43:26 GMT -5
Post by Almost Human on Sept 30, 2008 15:43:26 GMT -5
Oh - didn't realise that. Presumably we can still win even if that does happen though? It'd be a complete bummer for the game to be over this quickly otherwise. Woah, there! Do you want to explain, Almost Human, why you are not familiar with the Townie win condition? It very explicitly states what happens if a solo third-party wins. # Yes I am. But as sinjin would be dead I'd imagine we could still win.
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Day Two
Sept 30, 2008 15:44:31 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on Sept 30, 2008 15:44:31 GMT -5
I had some thoughts on the whole Santo/Sinjin thing I'd like to share. Let me know if I missed anything blazingly obvious.
Here's what we know, rock solid, for a fact.
1. Idle was a doc, and died overnight. 2. Sinjin turned purple overnight. 3. Santo claimed to be the cause, and no one has counterclaimed him on that point.
What does this tell us? For Sinjin, I think everyone can agree she's either PFK or scum. I can't imagine a situation where she's town, and her claimed roles fit with the known facts of the situation. If she's Timmy the Janitor, why is she targeting KidV?
For Santo, I actually think we can rule out him being scum. If he's a scum redirector, and no one is disputing that part of his claim at this point, then why would a scum Santo redirect something ONTO a most likely self protecting doc? That doesn't make any sense. The better play as a scum redirector is to move Idle's target to a scum buddy, leaving Idle open for NK and gaining the small chance of blocking a reckless or non-optional Vig/SK kill.
The above however doesn't say anything about Santo being PFK vs being Town. It's not possible to figure that out just from the information that has been presented to us. Redirector seems more likely town than PFK, but the latter clearly is still a possibility.
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Day Two
Sept 30, 2008 15:44:43 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Sept 30, 2008 15:44:43 GMT -5
Uh oh, very good question, Pleo. Nice catch.
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Day Two
Sept 30, 2008 15:46:11 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on Sept 30, 2008 15:46:11 GMT -5
*sigh*
This section is referring to her Rogue claim. That claim fits the facts that we know. Her Timmy claim is just silly and makes no sense. The question still stands however.
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Day Two
Sept 30, 2008 15:46:23 GMT -5
Post by Almost Human on Sept 30, 2008 15:46:23 GMT -5
Woah, there! Do you want to explain, Almost Human, why you are not familiar with the Townie win condition? It very explicitly states what happens if a solo third-party wins. # Yes I am. But as sinjin would be dead I'd imagine we could still win. Meh - ok I've reread it and I see your point. In that case I bloody well hope there isn't a jester in the pack because I really don't want to stop playing yet.
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Day Two
Sept 30, 2008 15:46:49 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Sept 30, 2008 15:46:49 GMT -5
Yeah... good one Pleo. I think we may have found our first candidate for toMorrow!
Although it could simply be a case of n00b-itis...
--FCOD
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Day Two
Sept 30, 2008 15:56:38 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Sept 30, 2008 15:56:38 GMT -5
# Yes I am. But as sinjin would be dead I'd imagine we could still win. Meh - ok I've reread it and I see your point. In that case I bloody well hope there isn't a jester in the pack because I really don't want to stop playing yet. You have not answered my question: why you were not familiar with the Townie win condition?
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Day Two
Sept 30, 2008 15:56:52 GMT -5
Post by Almost Human on Sept 30, 2008 15:56:52 GMT -5
Yeah... good one Pleo. I think we may have found our first candidate for toMorrow! Although it could simply be a case of n00b-itis... --FCOD Well that'd totally suck but I hope I'm not. I don't want to pull the newbie card though. I was perhaps over eager to get my thoughts down without working out if they made sense but I don't think it's a significant slip as the sample role pm's there for anyone to see so if I were scum I'd have been quite able to check that and not make the mistake in the first place.
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Day Two
Sept 30, 2008 16:04:05 GMT -5
Post by Almost Human on Sept 30, 2008 16:04:05 GMT -5
Meh - ok I've reread it and I see your point. In that case I bloody well hope there isn't a jester in the pack because I really don't want to stop playing yet. You have not answered my question: why you were not familiar with the Townie win condition?Because in my head I'd interpreted " there is no chance of a solo win for any third-party element" to mean that the pfk had to be alive to win. I was mistaken.
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Day Two
Sept 30, 2008 16:13:40 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Sept 30, 2008 16:13:40 GMT -5
The AH thing is interesting - I didn't catch it at first, and I need to reread that exchange very carefully, I guess, because I don't think I'm parsing her post the same way ya'll are.
But I'm not going to do that yet. Why? Because I really think we need to be addressing a more important issue... why doesn't sinjin think she'll be lynched???
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Day Two
Sept 30, 2008 16:15:16 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Sept 30, 2008 16:15:16 GMT -5
Because Lassie is going to save her.
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Day Two
Sept 30, 2008 16:44:23 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Sept 30, 2008 16:44:23 GMT -5
Once sinjin admitted to lying to get the Town to mislynch her, everything after that from her I've ignored. She must be lynched. And if she somehow comes back, then we need to lynch her again.
From meta-game reasoning, I don't think storyteller would include a role that wins simply by being lynched. For the same reason recruitment is excluded--it penalizes the Town for good play. The Town should be lynching players who lie in order to manipulate the Town. Forcing us to lose for lynching such anti-Town play discourages good play on our part. So I'm not worried about it.
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Day Two
Sept 30, 2008 16:57:32 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Sept 30, 2008 16:57:32 GMT -5
It's not a "misrepresentation". "Scummy to vote for peeker" refers to your first point. "Stupid to vote for peeker" refers to your second point, which was capped off by your statement about learning from the molefan lynch. I didn't conflate a thing. Besides, who the hell is wanting to lynch peeker for being "odd"? Anybody? Nope, didn't think so. You did it again. Fine, maybe you don't want to call it misrepresentation, but it IS oversimplification. I wanted to take a look at people who voted for peeker for a specific reason. I take offense that you're implying I am suspicious of everybody that's suspicious of peeker, because I'm not and I never said I was. And look at what I said again. I didn't say people were voting for peeker because he was odd, but because he was acting odd. Here, look at this vote from Day One by Hoopy Frood: (can't quote it directly, but there's the link) (underlining mine) So at least one person included peeker acting odd as a reason for voting for him on Day One. There's my cite. ---- Pollux, I'm not sure I agree - your argument makes sense if you trust Peeker. I don't. If we stipulate that he's telling the truth about investigating as scum, then there are two options - 1) he's a miller (his claim), or 2) he's scum. I'm not interesting in giving a scum a free pass to claim miller any time they want. I think we have to lynch him at some point, and you're going to get a big fat hairy eyeball if his alignment reveal indicates scum instead of town. Furthermore, he's good enough to know what kinda damage he's causing with his chaos, and I note that while he indicated a willingness to answer questions straight, I didn't see him address any of the questions previously posed. I'm willing to consider relaxing my suspicion of him should other players come forward with game knowledge of this virus, but the fact remains that he'll never investigate as town, and we do not want him alive in endgame, or even midgame for that matter. Okay, let me explain something here. Santo Rugger gave a role claim as the Proactive Pickled Persuasive Purple Purpler. People have said "Hm, we'll keep an eye on your behavior, Santo, and judge whether we think you and your power are town or not in the future." Nobody is saying "we have to lynch Santo to prove he's town and purple." However, Peeker's Miller claim has created the opposite reaction. Everybody has apparently given up on their sleuthing ability and have decided that since we can never 100% confirm him through investigative abilities that we HAVE to lynch him right away, despite the fact that he might have a very valuable ability. Not very many people want to watch Peeker carefully, they just want him strung up immediately. I understand if you're suspicious of Peeker if you take his role claim out of the picture, that's cool. But I feel like people are letting the Miller claim make their decision for them, if that makes any sense. Now, as much as I'd like to continue debating over this, the Day's about to end and I need to point something out. First: Vote sinjinMaybe she's Timmy. Maybe she's Rogue. Maybe she's Apocalypse. Maybe she'll survive, maybe she won't. But she's lying about something and we need to find out what. ---- Second: Some food for thought. Hey Chucara!Day One here, you said: Now just here in Day Two you said: Two reasons: I think he was kidding about the five posts? I mean.. I don't know how he usually is, but he doesn't make a lot of sense. If he is being serious, I think there is reason to suspect him. However, lynching him for just being a miller is dumb when there are better targets. Second reason: There is only one dead player, and if his feathers were malicious, wouldn't we know by now? What I do find funny about him / his role is that he is not only a miller, but also one with a protective role that cannot be proven. But this is IMHO not enough to warrent a lynch. I'm sensing a bit of a disconnect here. This might have to wait until tomorrow, but I wanted to point this out toDay.
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Day Two
Sept 30, 2008 16:59:17 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Sept 30, 2008 16:59:17 GMT -5
I don't want to pull the newbie card though. I was perhaps over eager to get my thoughts down without working out if they made sense but I don't think it's a significant slip as the sample role pm's there for anyone to see so if I were scum I'd have been quite able to check that and not make the mistake in the first place. Every player (of every alignment) knows their win condition. It's what they're trying to accomplish. Every scum should know the Townie win condition. Thus, every player should know the Townie win condition, since it's publicly posted. Thus, knowing the Townie win condition is a null tell. This game it is: YOU WIN WITH THE TOWN WHEN: All scum have been eliminated, and there is no chance of a solo win for any third-party element, whether you are alive or not.But when Almost Human, in reference to a player winning when lynched, says "Presumably we can still win even if that does happen though?", it shows a lack of knowledge about the Townie win condition. What does this mean? Either 1) she's a Townie who simply didn't play close attention to her win conditions. Or 2) she's a scum who hadn't closely read the Townie win conditions. I put the question to her to see her response. It took her a bit to understand my question and it's implications. But her final response: Because in my head I'd interpreted " there is no chance of a solo win for any third-party element" to mean that the pfk had to be alive to win. I was mistaken. doesn't quite make sense. The topic was a player who wins when lynched. Of course they'll be dead--they were just lynched! Her response doesn't really satisfy me and puts her high on my suspicion list. I won't commit to voting for her Tomorrow, though. We've got to see the results of Today's lynch and Tonight's actions. I am interested in what others think of what she's said.
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Day Two
Sept 30, 2008 17:06:34 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Sept 30, 2008 17:06:34 GMT -5
I thought her response was more damning than her original statement, personally.
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Day Two
Sept 30, 2008 17:07:53 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Sept 30, 2008 17:07:53 GMT -5
Ah, thanks Santo. I missed the bit about "I do have someone looking out for me" the first time. So if'n you wanna buy Sinjins second role claim, she's a survivor with a weak investigation and a oneshot lynch protect.
Only a couple hours to Dusk now. I'd almost like to change my vote to peeker at this point, but I don't see that it'll do much good. I'm worried that stringing up Sinjin is a mislynch for town, though.
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Day Two
Sept 30, 2008 17:10:15 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Sept 30, 2008 17:10:15 GMT -5
FTR I never said or implied I was a Jester. I thought I was pretty clear about my role. I'm a survivor with benefits; I have a doggie to save me at least once (I bread-crumbed this in a Haiku), and I'm a janitor by night with a memory problem. I posted the Rogue role because I was angry at a perceived mod double cross and furthermore thought you all wouldn't believe my actual role (also breadcrumbed as silly). So I basically said "fuck it" in a fit of pique. I've since regretted it. But I guess there's no stopping the sinjin express.
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Day Two
Sept 30, 2008 17:11:22 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Sept 30, 2008 17:11:22 GMT -5
I thought her response was more damning than her original statement, personally. Just catching up the last little bit, but I have to agree. I thought Pleo was nuts to question her about the win condition, but her response to the questioning is squirmy as hell.
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Day Two
Sept 30, 2008 17:22:20 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Sept 30, 2008 17:22:20 GMT -5
Hey wait a minute. Pleo wasn't questioning me about my win condition. He was questioning Almost Human. I know we look alike but really. I don't think I've ever replied to a Pleo post.
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