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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Oct 6, 2008 12:10:05 GMT -5
Well, shit. Don't everyone get on the Boozy train. I lose track of things sometime when there are two games going on.
Let me explain myself:
I'm not trying to tie sinjin's PM to peeker's. Nor am I trying to tie peeker's to my own (Townie) PM, either. storyteller gave us a townie PM, ferchrissake! If you can't concoct a reasonable fake PM when given a template, well... you just aren't one of our regulars.
Peek claimed a roleblocking Miller. Both of those things kinda scream scum claim to me. Less so than sinjin's ridiculously anti-townie power. But moreso than.. well.. what else I had. Let me check and see if votecounts point towards -me- having to make a roleclaim, now.
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Post by bufftabby on Oct 6, 2008 12:12:09 GMT -5
Anyway, this is what doesn't add up: If peeker was blocked last night, then he couldn't have been the cause of Santo's PM. Do we know that peeker was blocked? (Sorry if the answer to this is obvious. I think I have mono. In any case, I'm all drugged up, so I've got a raging case of the crazystupids right now.)
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Post by The Real FCOD on Oct 6, 2008 12:16:47 GMT -5
I asked story what it meant (I'm surprised you didn't), and his response was that if I had attempted to use my power last Night, that it would have been blocked. It would seem that he wasn't blocked because he didn't use his power. It doesn't really matter though, because someone targeted him and as a result he was sent the same PM that I got. That means that the same person targeted him on Night Two that targeted me on Night One, since we received the same PM. That means that if peeker was unable to complete his Night Two action (like he claims), he couldn't have been the one to target me or Santo. Does that make sense? --FCOD
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Oct 6, 2008 12:17:11 GMT -5
Well fuck my nuggets. I'm at three votes right now, which puts me in a very small lead. And we end sometime tomorrow, right? I may not be able to check back on tonight, but I don't think I'm in quite enough danger to have to roleclaim.
As far as 'not getting as much flack' on Day One for yelling at Idle... well... what can I say? Idle was acting strangely, and I jumped on him. I thought Sinjin was right to do so as well, even if she turned out PFK. But I sure wasn't going to go sticking my neck out for her on the subject.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 6, 2008 12:31:46 GMT -5
FCODYou're right that something doesn't add up. But why would you assume " You have accomplished nothing toNight." to mean anything other than you having been blocked?
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Post by The Real FCOD on Oct 6, 2008 12:37:54 GMT -5
To tell you the truth, due to the nature of my power I didn't really care if I was blocked or not and didn't really think about the possibility that I was blocked. However, I have since received clarification and it turns out that I was, indeed, blocked on Night One.
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Post by Chucara on Oct 6, 2008 12:42:16 GMT -5
Peek claimed a roleblocking Miller. Both of those things kinda scream scum claim to me. Less so than sinjin's ridiculously anti-townie power. But moreso than.. well.. what else I had. Let me check and see if votecounts point towards -me- having to make a roleclaim, now. Wait.. Did Peek claim to be a roleblocker? Didn't he claim to be able to cure the legacy virus with his feathers?
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Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 6, 2008 12:42:59 GMT -5
That's really not making sense to me. Regardless of you caring or not caring if you were blocked, why would you interpret " You have accomplished nothing toNight." to mean anything other than being blocked. It's obvious you put some thought into it, with the whole "I was hit by a sharp object; feathers are sharp," line of thought. Also, you would have had to have thought that line was important, or you wouldn't have specifically excluded it.
Can you elaborate on why you think your power is so worthless? (Or, rather, why the nature of it makes it not matter to you if your actions succeed or not?)
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Post by bufftabby on Oct 6, 2008 12:45:29 GMT -5
I'm not trying to tie sinjin's PM to peeker's. Nor am I trying to tie peeker's to my own (Townie) PM, either. storyteller gave us a townie PM, ferchrissake! If you can't concoct a reasonable fake PM when given a template, well... you just aren't one of our regulars. That's a strawman. We're not talking about concocting PMs here. At least, I'm not. I'm talking about the way you keep comparing peeker's posted PM to sinjin's. I think it's pretty likely that her first PM was pretty close to true. Why would you compare peeker's PM to sinjin's to determine the veracity? Why wouldn't you compare it to one you know is Town, presumably your own if you're Town? Don't try to say you've not compared the PMs that way, because you most certainly have. See here: Well, here you are, comparing Peeker's pm to sinjin's. I thought you weren't doing that? (Hit me baby) one more time. If I had another vote, I'd put that one on ya too, Boozy. Much the way you voted for Townies molefan and Idle.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 6, 2008 12:45:52 GMT -5
Peek claimed a roleblocking Miller. Both of those things kinda scream scum claim to me. Less so than sinjin's ridiculously anti-townie power. But moreso than.. well.. what else I had. Let me check and see if votecounts point towards -me- having to make a roleclaim, now. Wait.. Did Peek claim to be a roleblocker? Didn't he claim to be able to cure the legacy virus with his feathers? I think we caught ourselves a little scum slip. ;D Occam's Razor and all, but perhaps peek is a roleblocking scum, who claimed his little feather trick, but the only reason Boozaholic knows this is because, well, he already knows this.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Oct 6, 2008 12:47:49 GMT -5
That's really not making sense to me. Regardless of you caring or not caring if you were blocked, why would you interpret " You have accomplished nothing toNight." to mean anything other than being blocked. It's obvious you put some thought into it, with the whole "I was hit by a sharp object; feathers are sharp," line of thought. Also, you would have had to have thought that line was important, or you wouldn't have specifically excluded it. Can you elaborate on why you think your power is so worthless? (Or, rather, why the nature of it makes it not matter to you if your actions succeed or not?) I specifically excluded it because it gave away the fact that I do have a night action, and I didn't want to reveal that information. My action, according to the color, doesn't really require me to accomplish anything, so there was a bit of meta-gaming going on in my head. Also, I wouldn't have used my power if I had a choice, so I didn't really care if it was blocked or not. Add all of those up and my brain just sorta interpreted that last sentence as benign. In my head, I wasn't trying to accomplish anything, so being told that I didn't really didn't register. --FCOD
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Oct 6, 2008 12:48:07 GMT -5
Wait.. Did Peek claim to be a roleblocker? Didn't he claim to be able to cure the legacy virus with his feathers? I think we caught ourselves a little scum slip. ;D Occam's Razor and all, but perhaps peek is a roleblocking scum, who claimed his little feather trick, but the only reason Boozaholic knows this is because, well, he already knows this. Huh. Nope. Not scum. I though peek's role was a roleblocker, and the magic virus-curing feather was an add-on, or second power. That's been stuck in my head this entire time. Perhaps I should go back and find it.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Oct 6, 2008 12:49:21 GMT -5
I think we caught ourselves a little scum slip. ;D Occam's Razor and all, but perhaps peek is a roleblocking scum, who claimed his little feather trick, but the only reason Boozaholic knows this is because, well, he already knows this. Well well well, I think you may be right. Peek never claimed to be a roleblocker. Ok, now I'm definitely happy with a Boozy lynch. --FCOD
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Oct 6, 2008 12:50:27 GMT -5
I'm not trying to tie sinjin's PM to peeker's. Nor am I trying to tie peeker's to my own (Townie) PM, either. storyteller gave us a townie PM, ferchrissake! If you can't concoct a reasonable fake PM when given a template, well... you just aren't one of our regulars. That's a strawman. We're not talking about concocting PMs here. At least, I'm not. I'm talking about the way you keep comparing peeker's posted PM to sinjin's. I think it's pretty likely that her first PM was pretty close to true. Why would you compare peeker's PM to sinjin's to determine the veracity? Why wouldn't you compare it to one you know is Town, presumably your own if you're Town? Don't try to say you've not compared the PMs that way, because you most certainly have. See here: Well, here you are, comparing Peeker's pm to sinjin's. I thought you weren't doing that? (Hit me baby) one more time. If I had another vote, I'd put that one on ya too, Boozy. Much the way you voted for Townies molefan and Idle. Christ almighty, bufftabby. You keep asking me about comparing the two, and I respond that my reflections on one aren't any different than my reflections on the other. This is baseless slander, babe.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 6, 2008 12:52:24 GMT -5
Wait.. Did Peek claim to be a roleblocker? Didn't he claim to be able to cure the legacy virus with his feathers? I think we caught ourselves a little scum slip. ;D Occam's Razor and all, but perhaps peek is a roleblocking scum, who claimed his little feather trick, but the only reason Boozaholic knows this is because, well, he already knows this. Well, that seems like enough to get an FOS from me. Boozy, you want to explain yourself some more?
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Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 6, 2008 12:53:16 GMT -5
That's really not making sense to me. Regardless of you caring or not caring if you were blocked, why would you interpret " You have accomplished nothing toNight." to mean anything other than being blocked. It's obvious you put some thought into it, with the whole "I was hit by a sharp object; feathers are sharp," line of thought. Also, you would have had to have thought that line was important, or you wouldn't have specifically excluded it. Can you elaborate on why you think your power is so worthless? (Or, rather, why the nature of it makes it not matter to you if your actions succeed or not?) I specifically excluded it because it gave away the fact that I do have a night action, and I didn't want to reveal that information. My action, according to the color, doesn't really require me to accomplish anything, so there was a bit of meta-gaming going on in my head. Also, I wouldn't have used my power if I had a choice, so I didn't really care if it was blocked or not. Add all of those up and my brain just sorta interpreted that last sentence as benign. In my head, I wasn't trying to accomplish anything, so being told that I didn't really didn't register. --FCOD That doesn't make sense, dude. I didn't use my powers last Night, and still got the same sentence. Doesn't pretty much everybody have a Night action in this game? I haven't seen any publicly demonstrated Day actions, so I'm assuming so. I'd like to know what this action is that doesn't accomplish anything and you don't really care if it gets used but that is mandatory? Like you said, something's not adding up. I also don't understand why you parsed getting "attacked by something sharp" to mean you were protected by peek's feather. Seems a protection would be a bit more peaceful.
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Oct 6, 2008 12:53:17 GMT -5
Well, just for shits and giggles, here's my roleclaim. AS people might expect, I chose to take over the role of Ms. Frost. So if you lynch me, you're lynching your backup investigator. Then again, this is just the sort of roleclaim that a scum -would- make (what with the possibility of returning no results, or whatever the drawback may be of my not being good at my backup functions) Welcome to the game; you are Nightcrawler Vital Statistics REAL NAME: Kurt Wagner ALIGNMENT: Town GENERIC: Backup YOU LOOK LIKE THIS: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Nightcrawler.PNG YOU WIN WITH THE TOWN WHEN: All scum have been eliminated, and there is no chance of a solo win for any third-party element, whether you are alive or not. Background You are a mutant of German extraction; your physical mutations include blue skin, three-toed and -fingered feet and hands, yellow eyes, and a prehensile tail. You also have the mutant power to teleport moderate distances at will. Your unique physical characteristics led many of the more superstitious German villagers among whom you were born to fear you - even to think that you might be the Devil incarnate - but you found a home and a family in a traveling gypsy circus. Eventually, your foster brother Stefan murdered several young children. In your attempt to stop his rampage, you accidentally broke his neck. Assuming you to be responsible for both Stefan's death and the murders he committed, the local populace reacted violently. They were stopped by the arrival of Professor Charles Xavier, who saved your life and recruited you to join his X-men. Since then you have been a loyal member of the world's foremost collection of mutants. Now you have been brought to this barren planet to fight for your own life and for those of your closest friends. The danger is great and know well that you may be outgunned by the enemy. But it is no exaggeration to say that you have helped save the world. A lot. What's one more time? Good luck! Powers 1. Although none of your abilities is individually spectacular, in the final reckoning you are a tremendously versatile little mutant. Best known, of course, is your power to teleport at will, which you can use as both an offensive and defensive tool. You are also astonishingly agile, your very dark countenance blends well into shadows, making you exceptionally stealthful, and you are an expert swordsman. In the mutant community, you are a sort of jack-of-all-trades, able to fill whatever role needs filling. So let it be here. When a pro-Town player dies, you will be given the option to take over his or her role. If he or she was an investigator, you will become an investigator. If he or she was a protector, you will become a protector. And so on. Your specific take on the role might differ from theirs - you use what abilities you have - and your effectiveness will be somewhat less than theirs. However, you are a tremendously focused and dedicated person. Once you have chosen to take on a role, it is yours for the remainder of the game. You will not get a second chance to choose. Also NOTE WELL: you have ONE chance to take over another player's role. Once another player dies, you will lose your chance to backup the previous player. PM the moderator at any time during the Day to take over the role of a player who died the previous Night, or at any time during the Night to take over the role of a player who was lynched or otherwise killed during the Day. Official takeover will occur at Dusk or Dawn, respectively. You MAY take over the role of a mod-killed player, if you so choose.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 6, 2008 12:53:19 GMT -5
I think we caught ourselves a little scum slip. ;D Occam's Razor and all, but perhaps peek is a roleblocking scum, who claimed his little feather trick, but the only reason Boozaholic knows this is because, well, he already knows this. Well well well, I think you may be right. Peek never claimed to be a roleblocker. Ok, now I'm definitely happy with a Boozy lynch. --FCOD Would you be equally happy with a peeker lynch?
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Post by bufftabby on Oct 6, 2008 12:56:45 GMT -5
Meh, I think you're full of it, scummahol squid. You are a slippery lil bugger, I'll give ya that. But your explanation on the peeker-roleblocker gaffe is weeeeeeeak.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 6, 2008 13:03:40 GMT -5
On the other hand, if peek does come up as scum roleblocker, we know FCOD is either town or PFK.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Oct 6, 2008 13:03:48 GMT -5
I specifically excluded it because it gave away the fact that I do have a night action, and I didn't want to reveal that information. My action, according to the color, doesn't really require me to accomplish anything, so there was a bit of meta-gaming going on in my head. Also, I wouldn't have used my power if I had a choice, so I didn't really care if it was blocked or not. Add all of those up and my brain just sorta interpreted that last sentence as benign. In my head, I wasn't trying to accomplish anything, so being told that I didn't really didn't register. --FCOD That doesn't make sense, dude. I didn't use my powers last Night, and still got the same sentence. Doesn't pretty much everybody have a Night action in this game? I haven't seen any publicly demonstrated Day actions, so I'm assuming so. I'd like to know what this action is that doesn't accomplish anything and you don't really care if it gets used but that is mandatory? Like you said, something's not adding up. I also don't understand why you parsed getting "attacked by something sharp" to mean you were protected by peek's feather. Seems a protection would be a bit more peaceful. I really don't want to make a role claim here, and telling you what my night power would in effect be a role claim. I simply didn't think about being blocked. I was focused on the first part of the PM, not the last sentence, because I didn't care about the result of my night action. Simple as that. After you mentioned it, I did ask storyteller for clarification, and he told me yes, I was blocked. Peeker's feather is supposed to be bladed, blades are sharp. Attacks usually result in some kind of injury, I was not. To me, that added up to being protected via a bladed feather. What's so hard to grasp about that? NAF, I wouldn't be equally comfortable with a Peeker lynch because we have no evidence that shows that he's lying. I see Boozy has claimed. I don't like that claim, at all. It just feels wrong, in my gut. Can't figure out why yet. --FCOD
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Post by Chucara on Oct 6, 2008 13:04:43 GMT -5
Hm... Is it just me, or was that an awfully fast roleclaim? I mean.. If he was really town, would he be that fast to make his claim?
Secondly, can we verify his claim somehow and postpone the lynch?
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Post by The Real FCOD on Oct 6, 2008 13:05:23 GMT -5
On the other hand, if peek does come up as scum roleblocker, we know FCOD is either town or PFK. Curious: You still think that peek was the cause of the PM we both received? Do you think he made up his Night Two PM that told him he was blocked? --FCOD
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 6, 2008 13:07:07 GMT -5
NAF, I wouldn't be equally comfortable with a Peeker lynch because we have no evidence that shows that he's lying. --FCOD So then, you think peeker might not be lying but Boozy still had extra information about peekers role? After all you said: That logic doesn't follow at all. His gaff only makes sense as a scum slip if they are both scum and peeker needs to be lynched eventually anyway since he is a claimed Miller.
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Oct 6, 2008 13:09:49 GMT -5
Hm... Is it just me, or was that an awfully fast roleclaim? I mean.. If he was really town, would he be that fast to make his claim? Secondly, can we verify his claim somehow and postpone the lynch? Like I said earlier, I'm not going to be able to get on later today, and may not get on tomorrow, either. After which point, it'll be too late. I'm happy revealing the results of my investigations publically, but you have as good a guess as I do if they'll be reliable or consistent (as in, my sanity or the frequency of my investigation results may be comprimised because of the backup clause in my role.)
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Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 6, 2008 13:10:59 GMT -5
I really don't want to make a role claim here, and telling you what my night power would in effect be a role claim... I didn't care about the result of my night action. To me, it seems like those two statements are mutually exclusive. I, for one, don't connect getting knocked out as being protected. Getting knocked out and not accomplishing anything just screams "BLOCKED!" more than "PROTECTED FROM A VIRUS AND THE ONLY REASON I THINK SO IS BECAUSE SOMEBODY HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS HAS SAID SO; THEY MUST BE TELLING THE TRUTH, THEREFORE I'M NOW IMMUNE FROM THE LEGACY VIRUS!" Can somebody else chime in on this? Am I being obtuse?
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Post by Chucara on Oct 6, 2008 13:11:08 GMT -5
Boozahol: By all means, reveal them.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Oct 6, 2008 13:17:30 GMT -5
I, for one, don't connect getting knocked out as being protected. Getting knocked out and not accomplishing anything just screams "BLOCKED!" more than "PROTECTED FROM A VIRUS AND THE ONLY REASON I THINK SO IS BECAUSE SOMEBODY HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS HAS SAID SO; THEY MUST BE TELLING THE TRUTH, THEREFORE I'M NOW IMMUNE FROM THE LEGACY VIRUS!" Can somebody else chime in on this? Am I being obtuse? My thought process when I received the PM was "Someone tried to attack me and failed." Only when peeker posted his role PM did I connect it to him. It makes sense, based on the description of his powers:Can you see how that description matches up to the PM we received? --FCOD
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 6, 2008 13:19:02 GMT -5
I really don't want to make a role claim here, and telling you what my night power would in effect be a role claim... I didn't care about the result of my night action. To me, it seems like those two statements are mutually exclusive. I, for one, don't connect getting knocked out as being protected. Getting knocked out and not accomplishing anything just screams "BLOCKED!" more than "PROTECTED FROM A VIRUS AND THE ONLY REASON I THINK SO IS BECAUSE SOMEBODY HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS HAS SAID SO; THEY MUST BE TELLING THE TRUTH, THEREFORE I'M NOW IMMUNE FROM THE LEGACY VIRUS!" Can somebody else chime in on this? Am I being obtuse? No, I don't think so. Put that together with his jones for a Boozahol lynch and... FOS on you FCoD. dun dun dunnnnnnnnnnn The game shouldn't get too serious.
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Post by bufftabby on Oct 6, 2008 13:20:31 GMT -5
I'm onboard with the idea that if one believes boozy has made a scum gaffe, one should be (more or less) equally comfortable with a peeker lynch toDay. I still wanna lynch Boozy over peeker, though. I was suspicious before he ever made the alleged gaffe, because I just don't think he's being consistent. If a peeker lynch gains traction over a boozy lynch, I'm okay with that too.
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