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Post by Idle Thoughts on Aug 4, 2007 16:51:28 GMT -5
Dawn came again and everyone came out early to get a start to the Town Hall.
Unfortunatly there was a road block that was made up of a dead body in the street.
They all rushed to the lifeless form and pulled the head up to see who the luckless victim was. Dead eyes stared back. Below the body's chin, a large, jagged slash was made, forming a second smile and tearing the person's throat open.
People cried and wept and wailed..although some among them cried crocodile tears.
Then they all got up and made the rest of the way to the Town Hall to talk and argue again, for another Day, who among them was secretly...a Psychopath.
Hal Briston, a Townie, has been CUT from the game.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It is now Day Three.
Player list:
1. Blaster Master
2. Hal Briston Townie 3. Storyteller0910 4. Malacandra
5. Hockey Monkey Therapist, Lover 6. MadtheSwine 7. Capybara
8. Drain Bead Psychopath 9. DiggitCamera
10. Kat Townie, Lover 11. dotchan 12. GreedySmurf 13. Roosh 14. dnooman
15. cowgirl Cupid 16. nesta 17. Pygmy Rugger 18. JSexton 19. Mhaye
It will take NINE votes to end Day automatically and lynch someone.
Or...whoever has the MOST votes when Day ends. Since Day is starting in the middle of a weekend, one of the slowest times for a game, it will be made up with an extra regular day. Therefore Day will end on Thursday, August 9th at 7pm CST. Yes, you read right. Not PST this time. CST, since I will be in Chicago when Day Three ends. I will be able to keep up with the game though (albeit, I won't be giving vote updates as often as I usually do; maybe one a day).
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Post by capybara on Aug 4, 2007 17:16:07 GMT -5
Bah. Sorry, Hal.
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Post by Death By Irony on Aug 4, 2007 17:24:50 GMT -5
Do you mean "sorry you're not in the game anymore" or "sorry we killed you"? ;D
BTW, I'm supposed to be doing homework right now, so I'll just be following along until later tonight. I have a couple top candidates, but I need to mull over my notes a bit more before I cast my first vote of Day Three.
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Post by Malacandra on Aug 4, 2007 17:26:36 GMT -5
Bye Hal.
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Post by dnooman on Aug 4, 2007 17:38:54 GMT -5
Tough luck Hal. We'll avenge you.
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Post by dnooman on Aug 4, 2007 22:35:46 GMT -5
Whoa! Calm down you guys! If we keep up this rate, we'll have three pages to go through come Thursday. I'm Just as I thought, the scum gave us next to nothing to work with. They did however, kill a confirmed townie that voted for a confirmed townie. Was that meant to take suspicion off of the voters on the Cowgirl wagon?
Surely the scum didn't kill Hal just for his spreadsheet did they?
I currently suspect more people than there are probably scum, as I suppose is the case with most people. I'm loathe to start a new campaign against someone I think is scum, mostly because I failed in my last attempt. But, there is a short list of people that I strongly suspect, and given enough reason, I would vote accordingly.
Hal's voting record is less likely to reflect a pattern of finding scum, and more likely to reflect his voting for town (IMO, meta gaming aside). He did vote for Cowgirl, and Greedy as well. Pygmy voted for him on day one, but I'm not sure if that means anything yet.
With one scum lynch and one town lynch, the voting patterns seem to not carry as much weight as they would if the kill ratio were different.
Certain names keep coming to the forefront. Is that by Scum design, or have we outed the bastards and we just need to play out the monte game?
Who's death would tell us the most? I'm not saying that we should lynch them, but they might be a secondary choice for a night kill.
As far as unavailability is concerned, I think that it's against the spirit of the game to manufacture absence (not saying that anyone has done this at all). I also think that a genuine absence should not exempt one from being killed. Certainly the scum can kill whoever, whenever. Accordingly, the town should be able to lynch anyone claiming to be absent (if the situation and voting warrant it).
I think that the majority of the remaining scum have been identified, yet I may be way off base. I do have a good feeling about the town winning this one though. If the town votes together and rationally, I think it's our game to lose. We already got one, and they got lucky, we need only make a wise choice or two as a town, and we win.
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Post by capybara on Aug 4, 2007 23:35:28 GMT -5
I think that the majority of the remaining scum have been identified, yet I may be way off base. Hmm? Do tell. You have theories? You wouldn't, you know, want to SHARE this would you? Or is this just a vague, theoretical, Fox-Muldery "I think if we look at the clues long enough justice will prevail" sentiment? And discussion about 'good-information-kills" for nighttime. . . I sure don't think that's a good line of discussion, do you? Or am I misunderstanding you? What do you mean a 'secondary choice"?-- do you mean scum will be less likely to kill them (vague phrasing)?
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Post by dnooman on Aug 5, 2007 0:25:15 GMT -5
The rodent calls me out. Hmm.
I've been on the evil side before, and I thought that the more info I had, the better the deception. What I meant by "secondary choice" was a person that was least likely to get night killed. The "first choice" being the primary target. Obviously this is all a game, and nothing can be determined, yet.
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Post by Death By Irony on Aug 5, 2007 2:46:11 GMT -5
Damnit, I shouldn't have eaten that coffee ice cream. I thought that it was early enough in the afternoon for me to metabolize it, but it's pushing 4 am EST and I still can't sleep. >( In that case, might as well get my first post of Day Three out of the way. Current top suspects, in alphabetical order: dnooman - Did drain bead actually inadvertantly out dnooman as a townie, or was her "I'm really not sure what to think of it, and that's why I'm leaning toward dnooman being town as well" statment just her way of saying "I'm getting an overall town vibe from dnooman"? When he cast the tiebreaking vote for drain bead, he made a point to mention that drain bead seemed convinced he was town. (This means that the more Days he survives, the higher he climbs on my suspicion list.)
I'm torn on his post deconstructing my suspicion list. On one hand, he did make me go back and explain myself better (I keep forgetting that people can't read my mind and I'm not always as clear as I should be) - but on the other, he ends the post with "To me you sound like scum trying to justify pro-scum positions" without clarifying what those pro-scum positions I'm supposedly advocating are.
In this post he almost sounds like he's trying to bully pygumyrugger into switching votes.
After cowgirl ended up lynched, he said he would have at least entertained a roleclaim...why? Cupid is a rather unprovable role. I guess he didn't actually ask her to claim during the last hours of Day Two for fear of being accused of rolefishing, but even post-morten it's still an odd statement to make.
On Night One he agreed that discussing the reason for a nightkill was a fruitless endeavor...so is the "why did Hal die?" musing just him thinking out loud while he collected his thoughts? And wasn't cowgirl and mhaye voted for voicing sentiments similar to "But, there is a short list of people that I strongly suspect, and given enough reason, I would vote accordingly"? His "I think that the majority of the remaining scum have been identified, yet I may be way off base" line is strange as well. (I almost expected him to say: "I have proof, but it's too small to be contained in the space of this post.")
And his "I have a brilliant strategy to guarentee a town win" sounds all levels of scummy. nesta - I'm fairly certain he's posted the least so far. There may be real-life issues with his lack of participation, but I wish he could have at least checked in and explained himself once. His in-game posts are middle of the road, nothing particularly suspicious except for a few points I'm going to address below. (His opposition to discussing strategy at Night sounds rather reasonable, so it's not a point against him.)
He was second to last to vote for drain bead on Day One, again repeating drain bead's line about all three bandwagons being townies.
His last minute vote for cowgirl is also strange. He agrees with dnooman's analysis and then cites her Day One voting behavior. And what does "So, she didn’t want to get on any “scummy” bandwagons. We know now that dnooman’s wasn’t" mean? Is he that convinced that dnooman is confirmed town? Roosh - His use of a "southern accent" in his typing is starting to read as a bit gimmicky. Now, I've lived in Florida since the 6th grade, so every once in a while I'll catch myself saying "y'all", but everything else is just rubbing me the wrong way.
And now, in retrospect, his "I feel its more the case of 2 townies and one scum" line in reply #170 back when there was a three-way-tie reads as a bit ominous. Of course, since I don't know what Greedysmurf and dnooman's alignments are, it might not mean anything.
I'm not sure what to make of his post discouraging Night discussions. What does he mean by "muddy the waters"?
And then Day Two, he overanalyzes my posts and puts the first vote on me, starting up my bandwagon. (After I calmed down a bit, though, I did realize that I had been playing rather erractically.) And in reply #178--"Though yeah, Dotchan is freaking me out with her niceness. I want to believe she's scum." (italics mine)
Finally, as I mentioned in the Night Two suspicion list, his "darn, I'm not dead and I can't prove myself a townie" post doesn't seem all that genuine. (But of course, this would then assume that nesta is also a psycho and posted in the scumboards that he was going to sneak in a last minute vote.) I think I'd vote for any of these three right now, but nesta's the one I have the least data on, and enough time has elapsed for me to start pressuring the lurkers, so, vote nestaFOS dnooman, RooshOh, and a correction to my Night One suspicion list: Pygmyrugger voted Roosh, not cowgirl. My apologies. Suspicion level -1. But he's still somewhere in the middle of my list.
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Post by capybara on Aug 5, 2007 11:00:07 GMT -5
What I meant by "secondary choice" was a person that was least likely to get night killed. The "first choice" being the primary target. Obviously this is all a game, and nothing can be determined, yet. Ok, understood. Thanks for clarifying. I haven't had coffee yet, and there's not much to discuss yet, but first thoughts. . . Dotchan-- "ya'll"is a scum tell? Are you in Vermont or something? And sorry, but people being suspicious of you is not a scum tell and not very pro-town-- it seems very self-serving. Yes, maybe you know you're town, but you can't assume that WE do and get bent out of shape if you act suspicious. You keep pointing at people because they are suspicious of you which seems retaliatory (you've done it to me a couple of times). Your reasons to suspect Roosh are a tad weak. I don't recall Dnooman saying anything about 'guaranteeing a town win'. Sounded like a pep talk to me. And She says something nice about him, but then he votes to snuff her-- the tiebreaking vote that winds up lynching her-- and this looks like collusion in the end? You'll have to explain that better. I thought Dnooman's point there-- she could have only been pretty convinced he was town IF HE WAS TOWN AND SHE WAS SCUM-- wasn't a bad one. I've been 'positively smudged" like that before. And I'm still not ready to lynch all lurkers, so I'm going to give Nesta a chance to join in.
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Post by capybara on Aug 5, 2007 11:01:02 GMT -5
Whoops-- that second quote is Dotchan
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Post by RoOsh on Aug 5, 2007 12:01:31 GMT -5
Roosh - His use of a "southern accent" in his typing is starting to read as a bit gimmicky. Now, I've lived in Florida since the 6th grade, so every once in a while I'll catch myself saying "y'all", but everything else is just rubbing me the wrong way.
And now, in retrospect, his "I feel its more the case of 2 townies and one scum" line in reply #170 back when there was a three-way-tie reads as a bit ominous. Of course, since I don't know what Greedysmurf and dnooman's alignments are, it might not mean anything.
I'm not sure what to make of his post discouraging Night discussions. What does he mean by "muddy the waters"?
And then Day Two, he overanalyzes my posts and puts the first vote on me, starting up my bandwagon. (After I calmed down a bit, though, I did realize that I had been playing rather erractically.) And in reply #178--"Though yeah, Dotchan is freaking me out with her niceness. I want to believe she's scum." (italics mine)
Finally, as I mentioned in the Night Two suspicion list, his "darn, I'm not dead and I can't prove myself a townie" post doesn't seem all that genuine. (But of course, this would then assume that nesta is also a psycho and posted in the scumboards that he was going to sneak in a last minute vote.) I believe I can answer 3 of those questions: 1. "Muddy the waters" -this is a specific term i've heard on these boards. And I like the term. I belive it came up in Mafia1:"The Clusterfuck episode". "Muddying the Water" was a sorta scum tactic where SO much information (real and unreal) that all the true good data was lost because there was like 20 pages to read to get it all. So I just wanted Nights to be simple like they always have been. No heavy overnight reading, and nothing that we could use extra during the day to examine a night kill, and nothing that'd give scum an extra hint to a power role. Towns have won games w/o night talks, and I don't see why we can't do the same. 2. I want to believe she's scum- at that point in the day I felt like the vote was coming down to you or me (I believe this was my "last will and testament sorta post" where i just spilt all my guts. And I had been thinking "Man... i really hope i'm right, and that I've found scum. Could you be an inexpereinced townie? It seemed unlikely, but others seem to see it more than I did.... So I was starting to worry at that point." So yeah, that was my own doubt at the end there of where maybe a townie could make all those moves but still not be scum i guess, but at that point I was committed to the vote. 3. I don't know what you're going for with the Nesta being a psycho tied to me thing is. As for that thought being genuine, it certainly was. When I came to these boards the advice i received (over in "boost your post counts pages 1-3) was to give as much info before you go out, so live every day as if you were going to die. Now, I AM a lazy kinda guy. So i'm not gonna do that. But if there is a chance I'm gonna go out and die, of course I'm gonna try to leave as much helpful info for my fellow townies. (Because at that point, everyone will know what I know, and then you can start looking back through my posts) I still wanna win this thing*, ya know? *obviously as a Townie win.And I'm sorry if my southern accent is gimmicky. Honestly, i didn't think I had much of it other than the occasional "Y'all". And I'm from Virginia all my life, (Lynchburg VA to Yorktown VA), and Virginia def. has a slightly different view on Southern Culture than Florida.... So, Sorry 'bout the accent, i guess?
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Post by JSexton on Aug 5, 2007 12:38:55 GMT -5
OK. What the flying hell, people? Why on earth didn't cowgirl claim? People say it's an unprovable role...what?
1. There's only one Cupid. 2. We know it's a town role. 3. If someone claimed Cupid, we'd be stupid to lynch them. 4. Unless someone counterclaims, in which case we lynch the scummiest of the two. No matter what, we lynch as scum, either right away (gaining a confirmed townie in the process), or the next day. Trading a now-useless townie role for scum is ALWAYS a good deal.
I'm really, really torqued off about this. At cowgirl for not claiming (what was there to lose?) and a big hearty FOS to anyone who denied the usefulness of her claiming.
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Post by RoOsh on Aug 5, 2007 14:36:34 GMT -5
and i agree w/ Jsexton actually. All roles however unique can be proven if noone else claims them, and we know they exist in the game. So to the 2 of you unique roles out there.... Don't hesistate to claim if you're about to die. I'll always believe you unless there's a counterclaim. But i won't send someone to the gallows just for claiming.
If cowgirl had said cupid, and no one else counterclaimed i woulda believed her prolly a 100%.
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Post by dnooman on Aug 5, 2007 15:02:23 GMT -5
Drainbead thought I might get lynched, and wanted townie cred for saying that I was town before the fact. She was %100 positive that I’m town, because she is scum. A townie would never have been so sure that I was town, so it sent up a red flag. If her intention was to drag me down with her by association, it seems to be working (at least with dotchan). The longer I’m alive the more suspicious I am? That makes a ton of sense, the same can be said about anyone, including yourself.
I don’t have a direct quote that implicates you as scum, it’s a feeling that I get from reading your posts.
What are you quoting here? It links to a page not a post, and I don’t see what you mean.
Ask her to claim? What are you talking about? She had a specific role, not just a generic townie one. I think Jsexton did a better job of explaining why she should have claimed when he said: That would be dotchan Jsexton.
You can’t say that we learned nothing from the night kill. I was spitballing and trying to generate discussion, that helps town you know. And what I meant by the remaining scum being identified was that I think the scum are actively participating, not just lurking.
I never said this and you know it. That is very disingenuous of you. To quote you: Try following your own advice.
Looking back at your suspect list, I noticed that you had “Inconsistent read.” For Roosh, and “No impression either way.” for myself and nesta. Now we’re your top three suspects? That does not seem consistent to me. FOS dotchan
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Post by Death By Irony on Aug 5, 2007 15:50:17 GMT -5
1. There's only one Cupid. 2. We know it's a town role. *goes off to re-read the Cupid/Lovers roles* Oh...oops. It was the Lovers that could be any alignment.
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Post by Death By Irony on Aug 5, 2007 16:01:16 GMT -5
I believe I can answer 3 of those questions: 1. "Muddy the waters" -this is a specific term i've heard on these boards. And I like the term. I belive it came up in Mafia1:"The Clusterfuck episode". "Muddying the Water" was a sorta scum tactic where SO much information (real and unreal) that all the true good data was lost because there was like 20 pages to read to get it all. So I just wanted Nights to be simple like they always have been. No heavy overnight reading, and nothing that we could use extra during the day to examine a night kill, and nothing that'd give scum an extra hint to a power role. Towns have won games w/o night talks, and I don't see why we can't do the same. Oh, okay, so what you mean is that you don't want the scum to muddy the waters? 2. I want to believe she's scum- at that point in the day I felt like the vote was coming down to you or me (I believe this was my "last will and testament sorta post" where i just spilt all my guts. And I had been thinking "Man... i really hope i'm right, and that I've found scum. Could you be an inexpereinced townie? It seemed unlikely, but others seem to see it more than I did.... So I was starting to worry at that point." So yeah, that was my own doubt at the end there of where maybe a townie could make all those moves but still not be scum i guess, but at that point I was committed to the vote. I see, I see... 3. I don't know what you're going for with the Nesta being a psycho tied to me thing is. As for that thought being genuine, it certainly was. When I came to these boards the advice i received (over in "boost your post counts pages 1-3) was to give as much info before you go out, so live every day as if you were going to die. Now, I AM a lazy kinda guy. So i'm not gonna do that. But if there is a chance I'm gonna go out and die, of course I'm gonna try to leave as much helpful info for my fellow townies. (Because at that point, everyone will know what I know, and then you can start looking back through my posts) It's a purely hypothetical conspiracy-theory type situation. And while your information is great to have, all that is certain is your alignment reveal upon your death. The accuracy of your suspicions...not so much. And I'm sorry if my southern accent is gimmicky. Honestly, i didn't think I had much of it other than the occasional "Y'all". And I'm from Virginia all my life, (Lynchburg VA to Yorktown VA), and Virginia def. has a slightly different view on Southern Culture than Florida.... So, Sorry 'bout the accent, i guess? That might just have been me being cranky on sleep deprivation. I remember reading a couple of dropped g's, a lil' here or there, and a "now, I may be just a simple farmboy", and my first reaction was "oh, he has GOT to be kidding me". (As a writer, I don't like typing in dialect.)
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Post by Death By Irony on Aug 5, 2007 16:22:37 GMT -5
The dnooman quote that I was trying to link to (maybe I should have actually tested my links instead of just doing copy-paste ) was that when pygmyrugger said "I'm not seeing the cowgirl thing", dnooman said: And you don't see anything scummy about Cowgirl's posting history?
Really? Really? And the other quote that I interpreted as scummy, quoting straight from him this time: I think that the majority of the remaining scum have been identified, yet I may be way off base. I do have a good feeling about the town winning this one though. If the town votes together and rationally, I think it's our game to lose. We already got one, and they got lucky, we need only make a wise choice or two as a town, and we win. I concede that I may have mis-interpreted him. The suspicion list that dnooman quoted was my Night One impressions. Dnooman went up in my suspicion list because of the cowgirl thing and MTS conspiracy discussion echoed my own thoughts about the drain bead bandwagon, so I went back and reread his posts with an "assume dnooman is scum" bias, nesta got a similar hairy eyeball for his last-minute cowgirl vote, and ditto Roosh for the bruhaha on Day Two. Yeah, suspecting people who suspect me seems a little self serving, but at this point, I'm pretty much suspecting everybody who ISN'T me...and I tend to pay more attention to the people who look at me for scumtells because I know I'm innocent. (Deep calming breaths...serenity now...serenity now...) *edit* fixed the blockquote tag.
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Post by dnooman on Aug 5, 2007 21:46:24 GMT -5
dotchan, were you suspicious of everyone that voted for Cowgirl? If so, one of them was Hal Briston, a proven townie. I was clearly mistaken about her being scum, but that does not make me scum as well.
My reasoning for thinking that the scum are actively participating is based on, well, not a whole lot. If all the remaining scum are just hanging out in the wings, and we're just tearing each other apart, that would be a perfect scenario for them. I think they used up most of their luck by getting the twofer doctor-townie kill on night one.
I'm just thankful that Cowgirl wasn't a genius, or our last doctor. That would have been disastrous. The scum want power roles more than just townies (obviously). An overzealous townie looking to find scum, can also come off as a scum trying to draw out power roles. Unfortunately the reverse is true as well. I know that I'm one to talk, having started the Cowgirl wagon, but we need to keep a level head and not get too rash.
The lack of information being provided this weekend is only helping the scum. The more they say, they sooner we can out them. However, if everyone is silent, we can't call out lurking behavior, and we certainly can't analyze posts made by scum.
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Post by dnooman on Aug 5, 2007 22:14:13 GMT -5
dotchan said:
If you're town, the only people that suspect you are town because we don't know where your allegiance lies. Scum will try to frame you via "suspicion", which is ultimately a lie. Look for liars.
If you're scum, the only people that suspect you are also town. Again, fellow scum will "suspect" you, but only as a cover, also a lie.
Turning town against town is basically the sole purpose of scum during the day. They get to kill whomever they want without fear of being wrong. Townies, having very little to go on, are forced to suspect everyone. However, we need to be sure that we aren't doing the scum's job for them by lynching a townie.
This is all obvious and rudimentary, but I feel that it needs to be stated explicitly. Scum need to react when one of their own is on their way to the gallows, otherwise they lose. If a townie is headed for a lynch, the scum need only make themselves look good while we do their killing for them. The scum know this, and will try their best to make any actions they take seem pro-town or vague.
We beat the odds on day one by killing a scum. Had we lynched a townie on day one and killed a scum on day two, we would still be doing well. Unfortunately the scum got lucky on night one and got a power role plus a bonus townie.
All of this is well known to experienced players, but sometimes a reality check is a good thing.
If we as town keep our heads straight, any manipulation by the scum will be all the more obvious. I'm upset with myself for having targeted a person that turned out to be town. I'm also troubled when I'm accused, because I know I'm town. I won't let that get to me though. I'll only vote when I think a really good case has been made against someone. Townie paranoia is the main tool of the scum.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Aug 5, 2007 22:21:21 GMT -5
nesta (1) - dotchan
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Post by nesta on Aug 5, 2007 23:04:57 GMT -5
I'm fairly certain he's posted the least so far. There may be real-life issues with his lack of participation, but I wish he could have at least checked in and explained himself once. His in-game posts are middle of the road, nothing particularly suspicious except for a few points I'm going to address below. (His opposition to discussing strategy at Night sounds rather reasonable, so it's not a point against him.) Yes, my participation has been low, and you're right to call me out on it. I'll try to be a little more active. It's a combination of being a little busy in real life (I hope that changes a little for these next couple of weeks) and the fact that I'm having a hard time figuring out who the scum are, and I've been hoping to find some leads. I need to do a re-read or two of the game to try to find something, but I realize I should be taking a more proactive approach rather than counting on the scum slipping up. He was second to last to vote for drain bead on Day One, again repeating drain bead's line about all three bandwagons being townies. His last minute vote for cowgirl is also strange. He agrees with dnooman's analysis and then cites her Day One voting behavior. I voted for drainbead for the same reason I voted for cowgirl: because I thought they were probably scum, and wanted to make sure that someone I thought was scum was lynched. I was right about drainbead and wrong about cowgirl. I thought drainbead was scum because of some of the questionable things she said, like the "all three of those on the block are town" thing. I also thought that the way the Greedy Smurf bandwagon had formed was a little strange, and that it felt like it might have been the scum trying to save drainbead. I'm still not sure that was really the case, but I cast my vote to put drainbead two ahead of Greedy Smurf so that if there were a vote swing to save drainbead it would be very obvious. I broke the tie with the late vote for cowgirl for exactly the reasons I stated in my vote. They weren't great reasons (obviously), but I felt it was the best at the time. I had been thinking cowgirl was seeming very scummy before dnooman voted for her, and his reasoning was very close to my own. The posts from her that I quoted were the ones that had first raised her on my suspicion list. I also felt that between her and Roosh that she was much more likely to be scum, primarily based on the fact that Roosh was part of the drainbead lynching. Now, Roosh might be scum, and if he is I'm sure he loves me right now for keeping him alive, but at the time cowgirl was the obvious choice (for me) of being the best chance of being scum. And what does "So, she didn’t want to get on any “scummy” bandwagons. We know now that dnooman’s wasn’t" mean? Is he that convinced that dnooman is confirmed town? Sorry, perhaps I wasn't very clear. I did that vote post in a little of a hurry because I wanted to get my vote in and still give everyone at least a little time to react. The point is moot now, but my point about her not wanting to get on any scummy bandwagons was that at the time she said it there was only one real bandwagon ( drainbead), and that she voted for dnooman, who was also being voted for by Hockey Monkey, who we now know wasn't scum. I took her words as being a slip that she knew she wasn't voting along side scum, and the only way she would know that is if she were scum herself. That obviously wasn't her motivation as we now know, but that's what I thought when I voted for her.
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Post by RoOsh on Aug 5, 2007 23:55:48 GMT -5
Dotchan.... I do hope you get to play in a game with Autolyticus someday.
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Post by Death By Irony on Aug 6, 2007 0:43:42 GMT -5
Dotchan.... I do hope you get to play in a game with Autolyticus someday. Yeah, I was following The Cult of Sekham (before it got too prohibitively huge). He sounds like he'd get poked by my pointy accusatory finger a lot. ;D And now that my top three suspects spoken up and addressed my concerns, unvote nestaAnd un-FOS dnooman, Roosh for now. I'm off to bed. Tomorrow, I'll have to look at my suspicion list and reread all the threads again. *grumbles*
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Post by Malacandra on Aug 6, 2007 3:06:21 GMT -5
We've just had a scorching hot weekend here, so I've not been online very much. Today the weather is cooler and greyer, and what's more I'm on the employer's nickel, so I should be able to spare a little more time. ToDay's got a very back-to-square-one feel for me, after enthusiastically thinking Roosh was on to something. I'm now back to thinking that not only was cowgirl not scum, but dotchan isn't either - on the other hand, Roosh's effort didn't come across to me as scum trying to set up a choice between two townies. And on the gripping hand, perhaps I'm just too easy to lie to.
Oh well. Out with the magnifying glass again.
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Post by Blaster Master on Aug 6, 2007 8:57:53 GMT -5
As promised in Night2.22 , with all my reasoning there: Vote MadTheSwine. For now, I'm going to finish reading the new posts so far Today.
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Post by Blaster Master on Aug 6, 2007 9:19:26 GMT -5
Drainbead thought I might get lynched, and wanted townie cred for saying that I was town before the fact. She was %100 positive that I’m town, because she is scum. A townie would never have been so sure that I was town, so it sent up a red flag. If her intention was to drag me down with her by association, it seems to be working (at least with dotchan). The longer I’m alive the more suspicious I am? That makes a ton of sense, the same can be said about anyone, including yourself. I want to comment on this, because I think this is a dangerous line of reasoning. As we learned from M2 with regard to sturmhauke, a good player being left alive for an extended period does not mean that he's scum. I believe storyteller pointed out earlier that the scum deliberately left him alive in that game, after that line of reasoning was raised. Keeping someone like him alive helped muddy the waters which made it more difficult to find scum. Now, in M3, we learned that listening to a death row confession of scum is also dangerous. In that game, both fluiddruid and Lemur claimed to find SnakesCatLady suspicious soon before they died. The town thought they were trying to bluff them and it ended up being one the major points of evidence in her eventual lynching. The case here of drainbead mentioning dnooman is a similar case (except being mentioned in a positive light rather than a negative one). Could he be a townie that she was trying to associate herself with to drag down with her? Or could he be scum knowing that a positive association would help distance him from her and keep him alive a lot longer? IOW, WIFOM situation, especially with the scum being able to discuss during the day and decide how she should react. IME, the very deliberate creation of a one-way association here by scum is entirely suspect in either regard, and thus I think is best left ignored. I think if she had said something like that when she wasn't likely to be lynched, we might be able to squeeze some valuable information out of it, but in this case, with a high probability of being lynched, knowing her words would be highly scrutinized, you can't imagine that sort of association wasn't deliberately manufactured in some sense. Further, to address dotchan, knowing this, and knowing how things went in M2, just because someone is alive isn't reason enough to suspect them. Let's assume for a moment that there are 5 highly regarded players in this game (FTR, it's not my opinion, I'm just pulling a number out of thin air). We can expect that at least one of these players is probably a psycho. Thus, if the psychos kill off all the other good players but one, it looks fishy that that one is still alive. Knowing this, the scum will have to deliberately leave some of them alive. If you read through the scum forums for the pirate game that was also held on this board, you'll see this is a though process they explicitly went through. Now, this process can be applied to any set of players that is not directly correlated to scuminess. This also true with regard to any subset that was directly manipulated by the scum (as is the case with the associations created by drainbread). The scum will be aware of the thought process that the association instills, and that it will raise suspicion, thus, if he's a townie, they leave him alive because he'll be a distraction; meanwhile, if he's scum, it saves him by virtue of people thinking the first case is more likely. Hence, any reasoning associated with why a particular person isn't dead yet is at least as specious as trying to determine why a particular target was chosen (as was mentioned yesterday with regard to Hockey Monkey).
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Post by Blaster Master on Aug 6, 2007 9:28:02 GMT -5
As promised in Night2.22 , with all my reasoning there: Vote MadTheSwine. For now, I'm going to finish reading the new posts so far Today. WTF, I tried to correct this once, but the post didn't show up... let's try it again. The color tag doesn't seem to work like the rest of them (where I can highlight and just click the button; it likes to put it at the end of the post). ...I'll have to just start coding it myself, I guess. Vote MadTheSwine
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Post by capybara on Aug 6, 2007 11:17:52 GMT -5
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Post by Hal Briston on Aug 6, 2007 11:53:38 GMT -5
Let me tell you something...when you return from a weekend away, and you fire up the Crazyville board, and the first thing that you notice is that you have a new Private Message, the last thing you want to see is "Password" as the message subject. That's kind of a giveaway... Oh well...go town!! P.S. -- Hey capy...we went to the zoo this weekend. Friends of yours?
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