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Day One
Dec 3, 2008 19:50:37 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Dec 3, 2008 19:50:37 GMT -5
bufftabby - 7 votes (storyteller, NAF, zeriel, pedescribe, nanook, Mr Special Ed, Almost Human) DBI - 4 votes (Flyingblankofdoom, Chucara, sinjin, Cookies) mmouse - 3 votes (KidV, misterblockey, Hoopy Frood) Chucara - 2 votes (Santo Rugger, miteymouse) Total Lost - 1 vote (Peekercpa) Peekercpa - 1 vote (DBI) storyteller - 1 vote (bufftabby)
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Day One
Dec 3, 2008 19:52:16 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Dec 3, 2008 19:52:16 GMT -5
Now about the whole debacle thing, I was orginally of the opinion it was much ado about nothing and that story was possibly using a bit of circular logic or reverse psychology or some logical fallacy who's name escapes me whereby he brings the issue up by accusing others of bringing the issue up. However, bufftabby has some interesting behavior:
First, after NAF asks her about the "debacle" being resolved, she counter attacks with a mention of NAF not listing who he unvotes for and implying that he's trying to hide his vote record. (A real stretch.)
She then points out that story is making a big deal out the "debacle" thing. (Let it be known that I was inclined to agree with her general sentiment, but I didn't think story made a big deal about it as she seemed to claim. I just thought it was a pretty much irrelevant point for story to make.)
Next up she snarks at NAF a bit more. And states how here previous statement on the unvote thing was not a smudge because she didn't explicitly say it was suspicious. (Of course, the fact that she accused NAF of trying to hard his voting record implies that she's suspicious.)
Next votes story citing the overly big deal about debacle post I mention above.
story responds that on post does not constitute a mountain. And he only found the debacle usage "interesting". (I didn't even find it that, but now that I'm looking closely at the the interchanges here, I find the results of the discussion of the word very interesting. bufftabby seems to be the one making a mountain out of anything here.) He feels that bufftabby's mischaracterization of him is the scummiest thing he's seen today and votes her.
AH mentions that bufftabby seems to be going a bit overboard with her contentions
Ed chimes in with his opinion that the word debacle itself didn't seem to be that big of a deal.
peeker chimes in...uh, yeah, it's peeker, we'll just leave it at that.
bufftabby attacks storyteller. Reiterates debacle thing. Attacks story over what she sees as a misrepresentation of AH. To me story's post looks like a simple question. Even if one could consider it entering the realm of misrepresentation, it's extremely slight, and not something that should have gotten the reaction from buff that it did. She then defends herself more about using debacle and mentions how story is trying to stifle discussion on what happened. (Discussion on what? Ed and story had dropped it a while ago. And there really hasn't been any discussion on the events themselves. The only discussion seems to concern the resolution of those events to the back burner. In other words, it's not as if there's really anything for story to stifle at this point.) bufftabby then accuses story of going for an easy lynch. I don't get that, because until both NAF and Story started pushing the lynch after all this went down, it really wasn't registering with me. I was content to take out one of our active lurkers. That vote was the definition of an easy lynch. (Though, I still contend, not a bad lynch. I said earlier that getting rid of people actively lurking is typically not a bad move. It's just usually not the best move.)
It wasn't until bufftabby's last post that the case against her really gained steam. So consider me sold.
unvote mmouse[/color] vote bufftabby[/color]
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Day One
Dec 3, 2008 19:54:02 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Dec 3, 2008 19:54:02 GMT -5
bufftabby - 8 votes (storyteller, NAF, zeriel, pedescribe, nanook, Mr Special Ed, Almost Human, Hoopy Frood) DBI - 4 votes (Flyingblankofdoom, Chucara, sinjin, Cookies) mmouse - 2 votes (KidV, misterblockey) Chucara - 2 votes (Santo Rugger, miteymouse) Total Lost - 1 vote (Peekercpa) Peekercpa - 1 vote (DBI) storyteller - 1 vote (bufftabby)
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Day One
Dec 3, 2008 19:55:23 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Dec 3, 2008 19:55:23 GMT -5
Given the possibility of substitutions I'm ready to take my vote off of DBI. I'm not too sure about how the bufftabby runaway train started and gained momentum today. I have not had a lot of time to read and digest today, it's the end of the semester so busy, busy. I don't like to base my vote on what others are saying without rereading all the pertinent posts myself. I will try to do that tonight, but tomorrow is a test grading day*.
*[fluff alert]HAHAHAAHAHAHA, even though I stated very clearly at the start of the test that although one of the problems given resembled a problem on an example test I handed out last week it was not the same problem and did not have the same answer. At least 10% put down the example test answer. Well, at least those one are easy to grade. ZERO.[/fa]
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Day One
Dec 3, 2008 20:00:08 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Dec 3, 2008 20:00:08 GMT -5
Yeah, break it out, you bandwagon-jumping circle-jerkers. If this is how Town is going to play, we deserve to lose. There are not enough rolleyes smilies in the world for this weak-ass bullshit. You know, I told myself a while ago that if this shit started getting personal, I was going to step back. This is supposed to be fun, and the above, and most of what you're saying, is getting personal. So consider me stepping back.
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Day One
Dec 3, 2008 20:11:54 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Dec 3, 2008 20:11:54 GMT -5
3. I am highly suspicious of Nanook for deliberately misunderstanding something he understood properly before in an attempt to get me lynched. Seriously, are you not reading what I'm writing or what? My problem with you has little to do with you calling something anti-town. Obviously I know the difference between anti-town and pro-scum since I discussed it in some depth earlier. My problem with you is that you called something anti-town(not a problem), and then immediately and directly compared it to an action done by scum in a different game. The words you used were anti-town, the example you chose was pro-scum. This is where my problem with you is. It's a very subtle contradiction, one that is easy to overlook, but that can very easily get into people's heads if they don't think too closely about it. The leap from "This is anti-town" to "This is anti-town, and in that example was done by scum, and therefore is pro-scum" is very small. And you accuse me of trying to drum up a lynch on you? I'm more convinced than ever that you are scum. All that said, I'm going to move my vote. The case against bufftabby is interesting enough that I would rather see her swing than someone who will be force-subbed that may or may not be a power role. unvote pedescribe vote bufftabbyOh wow! That is a really cool little trick you're describing, and I can totally see how that could slip by people. Wow. I'm going to have to use that next time I'm scum. However, that was not my intention. I picked the first example I could think of of a slow and nitpicky reveal hurting the town. Wow. Alright, I am no longer highly suspicious of you. Just suspicious (just like everyone else, except for Buff). ;D Note: the above post was completely devoid of sarcasm.
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Day One
Dec 3, 2008 20:14:28 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Dec 3, 2008 20:14:28 GMT -5
I'm not convinced that Tabbygate has found an actual scum, but I'm much more comfortable voting for someone who is acting slightly scummy. I wish I was more familiar with people on here. Story is playing a different game than the one he did play on FB, but I'm left assuming it's his normal style to point out what he sees as inconsistencies and start a discussion based on them. His skills of persuasion scare me, however. I do plan on doing a re-read before coming back, but with the momentum and the odd play, I'm going to vote bufftabbyfor the time being. If nothing else, I think this lynch might give us some good information. You're spot on there. The three things that I remember about player styles are: -pekeercpa is nigh-incomprehensible on many occasions -BlaM and Roosh both use incredibly long and complex discussions, Blam's involving math and -You do NOT want storyteller on the other team.
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Day One
Dec 3, 2008 20:18:28 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Dec 3, 2008 20:18:28 GMT -5
Well, OK, I'm stepping back after I respond, which I will do sans snark of any kind. What have I failed to respond to? How shall I defend my repetition of a word I've previously used? I am not sure how you're missing this, but the meat of my argument against you, the things to which you have failed to respond, have nothing to do with your word choice at all. That was a minor point, something I brought up because I found it interesting and potentially informative. My vote for you concerns much bigger things, to which you have not responded: 1. You characterized my post discussing the word choice issue as "making a mountain out of a molehill," then used this characterization as the basis for voting for me. I submit that this was a mischaracterization. 2. When called on #1, you did not respond to that point, but instead dug up minutiae and twisted them, blatantly misrepresenting other things I've done in an effort to try to cast reciprocal suspicion on me. I'm trying not to be pedantic here, buff, but the sentences about which we're talking here referred to multiple issues at one time. I was interested in the specific fact that the word was repeated - and by the way, you are the one blowing the word into something "oh so controversial." I said it was interesting, meaning worthy of discussion; I did not make it controversial and it hasn't been a central point in any of my posts since the one in which I raised the point in the first place. I was also interested, more generally, in what I considered to be repeated references, by many and throughout, to the event overall. Said references were made by many players, and obviously not all of them were Scum. Until you went to DEFCON5, my intention was to take a closer look at how the events in question were spun throughout the Day. So the answer to your question is: everyone's. And, I want to emphasize this, because I'm frankly getting annoyed that the incredible emphasis on the word "debacle" is getting attributed to me. I mentioned it briefly, damn it, and in relatively moderate tones. I'm not going to apologize for it. Looking at the vagaries of language has served me well in this game in the past. But the "controversy" is all in your head, because you're unbelievably defensive about this. Nonsense. The "easy" lynch would have been to attack one of the lurkers, or perhaps molefan/ shaggy or even Mister Special Ed. You didn't and don't constitute any more of an "easy" lynch, as you are using the term, than literally any other player in the game. So the accusation that I picked you as an "easy" lynch is senseless. No, not beyond a shadow of a doubt, of course. I've been wrong before and I've been right before. What I do know is that the misrepresentations and mischaracterizations you've employed, your hair-trigger defensiveness in response to a post that didn't even accuse you of anything, and your balls-out attempt to smear me when I did accuse you - using yet more mischaracterizations and misrepresentations - all are things that have been associated with Scum in the past. Didn't read it, doesn't matter. I'm not Roosh, and if you think this is over-the-top, you haven't played enough games with me. Again, what Roosh did then is irrelevant. My attack is not ridiculous. You have misrepresented and mischaracterized my arguments repeatedly, and used those mischaracterizations as the basis for a vote against me. That is my definition of Scummy. Others have since pointed out additional evidence of opportunistic and inconsistent voting behavior, which I will read through when I've cooled down a bit. Which I haven't mentioned as a central point in any of my arguments against you. The above is just asshole behavior, and it sucks because I like playing with you. But I'm not going to back down because of it.
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Day One
Dec 3, 2008 20:27:59 GMT -5
Post by special on Dec 3, 2008 20:27:59 GMT -5
Nonsense. The "easy" lynch would have been to attack one of the lurkers, or perhaps molefan/ shaggy or even Mister Special Ed. I'm an easy lynch? I'll accept that (I suppose at one point I did have 3 votes, even after you pulled yours off me), but am I the only one seeing you set up future moves in some of your very elaborate posts? Nothing scummy about it, I suppose, could also be very town-like, but like I said before, it's very scary. I sure do hope you're on my side.
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Dec 3, 2008 20:51:45 GMT -5
Post by Death By Irony on Dec 3, 2008 20:51:45 GMT -5
Brain not working right now. Thus I am going to take a page from peeker's book and post in stream-of-consciousness.
I will be kind of flakey probably until at least Finals are over - passing classes is a little bit more important than playing mafia, sorry. (To be specific, I am NOT able to connect to the site, PERIOD, on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Fridays; the other days of the week I'm usually not awake before 10 am.)
Floating notes: *Almost Human seemed to express a little bit of Perfect Information System with regards to FCoD's soft claim - has there been any follow up since storyteller poked at him? *Peekercpa still reads weird, and he hasn't improved at all. Why is he cluttering up the thread with apparently random statements? *Is it just me or did the bandwagon against bufftabby pile up really fast? (I'm not certain of bufftabby's alignment yet, mind you, but it still stinks of opportunism.)
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Day One
Dec 3, 2008 20:55:03 GMT -5
Post by shaggy on Dec 3, 2008 20:55:03 GMT -5
Just got caught up in reading. I agree that Bufftabby did do something that was really, really odd. I certainly feel I do not need to repost what others have said. However I cannot help but think, while I am inclined to agree and place my vote for her. At the same time, I cannot help but think. If she were SCUM, then why have a suspicion on storyteller? I just mean out of all the possible people to try and divert attention from her self, she picks one of the least scummy looking people here? Seems to me like a real dumb day 1 move to me, especially for a SCUM to make. Now I could be wrong and most of the time I may be. She may very well be a SCUM however she may also be a TOWN that just made a real big mistake. As I said I couldn’t overly find any fault in the arguments for her. At the same time we often know that in day 1 we usually make mistakes and such. So I just do not want to rush into a lynch solely cause every one else has, and then end up finding out it was a mistake. I feel the best person for me is to vote for the one that has to paraphrase, basically said they don't care enough to really get involved in the game. This may not be a sure sign of being SCUM but it does not help us find and lynch the SCUM either. I am not a fan of lynching someone for what they are not doing but what they do post but in this case when the person has said they just do not care to participate. That changes everything. For by not helping us in sudgesting who may or may not be SCUM, in my opinion that is helping hide the SCUM.
So I vote DBI
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Day One
Dec 3, 2008 21:09:45 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Dec 3, 2008 21:09:45 GMT -5
*Color removed* You want to use blue for the votes and red for the unvotes.
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Day One
Dec 3, 2008 21:14:20 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Dec 3, 2008 21:14:20 GMT -5
Next up she snarks at NAF a bit more. And states how here previous statement on the unvote thing was not a smudge because she didn't explicitly say it was suspicious. (Of course, the fact that she accused NAF of trying to hard his voting record implies that she's suspicious.) The snark at NAF is because he himself accused himself of dickishness in a post to me. It was joke-snark. Hence the smilies. I stand by my contention that story made something out of nothing. She then defends herself more about using debacle and mentions how story is trying to stifle discussion on what happened. (Discussion on what? Ed and story had dropped it a while ago. And there really hasn't been any discussion on the events themselves. The only discussion seems to concern the resolution of those events to the back burner. In other words, it's not as if there's really anything for story to stifle at this point.)[/quote] Didn't say story stifled anything. Defended my right to mention things that have happened previously without somehow seeming scummy for it. That's all I've got. Let's lynch the girl who says "debacle" and you know, is actually trying to play, instead of the people who can't be bothered to play. Sure, why not. story, the circle-jerk remark wasn't meant to be personal. You are the only one (I now see zeriel did provide his own reasons, and hoopy obviously now has) who actually had anything to say besides, "hey a buff lynch sounds great, good idea". It gets frustrating trying to defend oneself against accusations that the accusers can't be bothered to make.
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Day One
Dec 3, 2008 21:22:48 GMT -5
Post by shaggy on Dec 3, 2008 21:22:48 GMT -5
woops I am sorry.
vote DBI
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Day One
Dec 3, 2008 21:43:42 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Dec 3, 2008 21:43:42 GMT -5
bufftabby - 8 votes (storyteller, NAF, zeriel, pedescribe, nanook, Mr Special Ed, Almost Human, Hoopy Frood) DBI - 5 votes (Flyingblankofdoom, Chucara, sinjin, Cookies, shaggy) mmouse - 2 votes (KidV, misterblockey) Chucara - 2 votes (Santo Rugger, miteymouse) Total Lost - 1 vote (Peekercpa) Peekercpa - 1 vote (DBI) storyteller - 1 vote (bufftabby)
15 hours to go...
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Day One
Dec 3, 2008 21:52:44 GMT -5
Post by special on Dec 3, 2008 21:52:44 GMT -5
OK, I've re-read through most of the Day, and concentrated on the interaction between story and bufftabby
I'm not seeing definite Scum action from bufftabby
Maybe it's just paranoia, but it seems like story is looking for a victim. I felt like a target at first, and now it seems bufftabby is. I don't particularly think story is Scum, I think he's just taking a lead in pressing buttons looking for one.
Of course, I don't particularly trust him either.
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Day One
Dec 3, 2008 21:53:43 GMT -5
Post by special on Dec 3, 2008 21:53:43 GMT -5
unvote
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Day One
Dec 3, 2008 21:55:53 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 3, 2008 21:55:53 GMT -5
Just to weigh in on the most recent discussion (sure as heck am not using the other D word). Story's question of the d word that shall not be named seems reasonable. My definition of that word is not congruent with the events that led to its usage. Buff's defense to Story's observation seemed to be a little strong. However, I have also seen Story in action in other games and he does need to be met head on or you will get run over. The problem with that is that he's the same whatever side he is on so that's a null tell.
It just seems odd that this train has developed so quickly.
I mean pede and nanook switched their votes off of each other onto buff. Kind of like the lamb lying down with the lion.
And since my initial suspicions have all but petered out
Unvote TL
Gonna re-read a touch more and should be back with a vote before I go to sleep.
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Day One
Dec 3, 2008 22:02:24 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Dec 3, 2008 22:02:24 GMT -5
unvote storyteller[/color] vote bufftabby[/color]
I do not want to see a death by irony lynch. Why? It won't tell us anything. The bufftabbyvote record will be much more useful to Town, I think. I also (echoing my favorite rugger, santo get the sense that DBI is just tired of geting voted off all the time etc. I think if she were scum, she'd be all over this game. I could be wrong, but I'd rather go than her. Feel free to metagame about how she must be higher-ranking scum than me, but the Dusk post shall reveal all. I'm not especially useful to Town anyway, so small loss.
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Day One
Dec 3, 2008 22:05:38 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Dec 3, 2008 22:05:38 GMT -5
bufftabby - 8 votes (storyteller, NAF, zeriel, pedescribe, nanook, Almost Human, Hoopy Frood, bufftabby) DBI - 5 votes (Flyingblankofdoom, Chucara, sinjin, Cookies, shaggy) mmouse - 2 votes (KidV, misterblockey) Chucara - 2 votes (Santo Rugger, miteymouse) Peekercpa - 1 vote (DBI)
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Day One
Dec 3, 2008 22:08:50 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Dec 3, 2008 22:08:50 GMT -5
I'm voting for me, not story, Idle.
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Day One
Dec 3, 2008 22:09:09 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Dec 3, 2008 22:09:09 GMT -5
Just to weigh in on the most recent discussion (sure as heck am not using the other D word). Story's question of the d word that shall not be named seems reasonable. My definition of that word is not congruent with the events that led to its usage. Buff's defense to Story's observation seemed to be a little strong. However, I have also seen Story in action in other games and he does need to be met head on or you will get run over. The problem with that is that he's the same whatever side he is on so that's a null tell. It just seems odd that this train has developed so quickly. I mean pede and nanook switched their votes off of each other onto buff. Kind of like the lamb lying down with the lion. And since my initial suspicions have all but petered out Unvote TLGonna re-read a touch more and should be back with a vote before I go to sleep. [Gobsmacked] Wow, that was, um...coherent. And completely understandable. And no cryptic references to puzzle out. [/Snark]
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Day One
Dec 3, 2008 22:21:06 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Dec 3, 2008 22:21:06 GMT -5
I'm voting for me, not story, Idle. I have you down for that....just forgot to take your vote off of story.
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Day One
Dec 3, 2008 22:46:26 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Dec 3, 2008 22:46:26 GMT -5
Just to weigh in on the most recent discussion (sure as heck am not using the other D word). Story's question of the d word that shall not be named seems reasonable. My definition of that word is not congruent with the events that led to its usage. Buff's defense to Story's observation seemed to be a little strong. However, I have also seen Story in action in other games and he does need to be met head on or you will get run over. The problem with that is that he's the same whatever side he is on so that's a null tell. It just seems odd that this train has developed so quickly. I mean pede and nanook switched their votes off of each other onto buff. Kind of like the lamb lying down with the lion. And since my initial suspicions have all but petered out Unvote TLGonna re-read a touch more and should be back with a vote before I go to sleep. No, no, Nanook explained himself. It's water under the bridge, he's my homeboy, etc. And buff, it's not so much that I'm suspicious of you as it is that I'm more suspicious of you than anyone else. You were overly defensive on something before it became a big issue. You didn't quote whole posts, instead snipping down to a single line or referring to the number. But I'll be honest, I'm suspicious of storyteller too. Mainly the timing of his accusation--I'm not suspicious enough yet to make a lengthy post about it. We'll see what happens. Of course, you could be filthy scum purring up a last minute defense, in which case my response is: HAW HAW HAW!
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Dec 3, 2008 22:46:55 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Dec 3, 2008 22:46:55 GMT -5
And why is it that I always end up posting right after Idle?
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Dec 3, 2008 23:07:53 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 3, 2008 23:07:53 GMT -5
Ok.
Gonna make it quick. I am going to vote for the person who has not contributed much and is non repentant. Who has a vote out for a reason that I am struggling with. Who absolutely can not post on Wednesdays but apparently gets special dispensation to post on Wednesdays.
Hey, as many observations as posts.
Vote DBI.
Hoopy the lamb and lion didn't cross you up? Maybe you can help some of the other folks on my "weird"ness.
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Day One
Dec 3, 2008 23:25:45 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Dec 3, 2008 23:25:45 GMT -5
[/color] vote bufftabby[/color] I do not want to see a death by irony lynch. Why? It won't tell us anything. The bufftabbyvote record will be much more useful to Town, I think. I also (echoing my favorite rugger, santo get the sense that DBI is just tired of geting voted off all the time etc. I think if she were scum, she'd be all over this game. I could be wrong, but I'd rather go than her. Feel free to metagame about how she must be higher-ranking scum than me, but the Dusk post shall reveal all. I'm not especially useful to Town anyway, so small loss.[/quote] Are you planning to role claim?
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Day One
Dec 3, 2008 23:42:32 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Dec 3, 2008 23:42:32 GMT -5
I don't see the point, story. I'll claim "asshole", but that's not exactly a role, more of a temporary, non-game-related condition.
Meh.
I will ask, DOES ANYONE HAVE AN EGG? I like eggs.
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Day One
Dec 3, 2008 23:43:13 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Dec 3, 2008 23:43:13 GMT -5
bufftabby - 8 votes (storyteller, NAF, zeriel, pedescribe, nanook, Almost Human, Hoopy Frood, bufftabby) DBI - 6 votes (Flyingblankofdoom, Chucara, sinjin, Cookies, shaggy, peekercpa) mmouse - 2 votes (KidV, misterblockey) Chucara - 2 votes (Santo Rugger, miteymouse) Peekercpa - 1 vote (DBI)
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Day One
Dec 3, 2008 23:46:25 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Dec 3, 2008 23:46:25 GMT -5
NETA: yes, I will full claim before my death, so Town knows what was up. But I don't have anything so useful as to make everyone say, "oh let's not tear her throat out after all". Sacrificial lamb, sacrificial cat it's all the same. (The real buff tabby aka Rufus Ruffus Johnson Brown would likely not agree.)
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