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Day One
Dec 3, 2008 23:50:34 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Dec 3, 2008 23:50:34 GMT -5
Until you went to DEFCON5... <pedant> DEFCON5 is normal. Lower DEFCON numbers mean a higher alert state, with DEFCON3 being typical for conventional combat and DEFCON1 being "Nuclear war imminent". </pedant>
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Day One
Dec 3, 2008 23:51:28 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Dec 3, 2008 23:51:28 GMT -5
NETA: yes, I will full claim before my death, so Town knows what was up. But I don't have anything so useful as to make everyone say, "oh let's not tear her throat out after all". Sacrificial lamb, sacrificial cat it's all the same. (The real buff tabby aka Rufus Ruffus Johnson Brown would likely not agree.) If you roleclaim ANYTHING other than vanilla, I will almost certainly unvote you.
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Day One
Dec 3, 2008 23:57:32 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Dec 3, 2008 23:57:32 GMT -5
What I mean to say is, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY BERRIES? Not eggs, berries.
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Day One
Dec 3, 2008 23:58:08 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Dec 3, 2008 23:58:08 GMT -5
I'm going to leave my vote as it is for now...
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Dec 3, 2008 23:58:49 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Dec 3, 2008 23:58:49 GMT -5
First off: www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/debaclebufftabby’s post #257 I don't really get the Mr. Special Ed debacle. I actually agreed with his analysis that story could have been setting up an "I told you so" Townie-cred-gaining situation. I am seeing both story and Mr's actions as null tells. On shaggymole: I'm seeing the early claim as a null tell as well. Sure, it's a data point. But I think that's it. It sucks for shaggy to have to sub in with heat already on him, for an action that seems pretty null to me at this point. In other words, I got nothin' yet. [Bit o'fluff]'Cept mad love for my brotha peek![/BoF] (No, I'm not breadcrumbing mason or anything--i'm responding to the previous discussion of peek's posting style.) This was posted about an hour and a half after Santo first used the term “debacle” in post 256: I wrote up a post at work describing what I thought of the whole story / SpEd debacle. It's quite different than what either of the participants had to say on the matter. I'm not going to rewrite it tonight, so I'll post it in the morning. Regarding the comment in 257 of “I actually agreed with his analysis that story could have been setting up an "I told you so" Townie-cred-gaining situation”, I don’t see it. He wasn’t the only one to class the claim as a null tell, nor was he the first (I think first was Almost Human in post 36: “Anyway, I don't see it as an indication either way of allignment.”) What made story’s response unique enough to view it as a grab for Townie credit? Going on: Looking at the actual post in which story questions the use of “debacle”: Question for tabby. In your opinion...what was the Mr. Special Ed debacle and how was it resolved? You know what I'm finding increasingly interesting? The repeated use of the word "debacle" to describe the situation involviong Mr. Special Ed in relation to myself and to molefan/shaggy. bufftabby uses it here. Rugger used it a few days ago, and someone else picked it up from him (I'll figure out who it was presently). I find it interesting because it is, if not a rare word, at least a not terribly common one. More importantly, it is one that doesn't really fit the circumstance. I'll address the following to Mr. Special Ed: Do you think that the limited exchanges between us regarding molefan were especially heated, or that they represented a significant enough "event" in this game Day to be repeatedly discussed, referenced, and even described as a "debacle?" Because I don't. And I wonder at the motivation of those who are determinedly trying to blow those events out of proportion via continual reference and word choice. He points out that it’s interesting, notes 3 uses of it ( Santo, bufftabby and “someone else”, of which the third “someone else” appears to be a mistake), opines that it doesn’t fit the circumstance, asks a pointed question (“Do you think that the limited exchanges between us regarding molefan were especially heated, or that they represented a significant enough "event" in this game Day to be repeatedly discussed, referenced, and even described as a "debacle?"”) and repeats his opinion that it doesn’t. The discussion appears to be completely dropped for a few pages as FLOD’s status gets discussed. (I see a comment from NAF and a post from story that he’s gonna check buff’s posting history.) So, I got through page 12, and didn’t see buff’s response, though I know she posted one, so stopped going page by page and switched to viewing by poster to find it. Here it is, actually a response to Santo quoting story: Huh? If by "repeated", you mean "twice", then yes.No. Nobody else used it. A cursory search shows it was used in exactly five posts before the one I'm quoting; my original one, bufftabby used it twice (the first time saying she didn't get the debacle, the second saying the debacle was resolved), you quoted my post twice in a single post, and NAF asking tabby about it. That's it. Ha, I guess it looks like you're the one making a mountain out of a mole(fan)hill, now, story. Seconded, word for colossal word. And then story quoted the “Ha, I guess it looks like you're the one making a mountain out of a mole(fan)hill, now, story.” and voted her. Okay, I gotta ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) on this. buff may or may not be scum, and has definitely been overly defensive in later posts (enough so that I can understand people voting for her now), but even looking back at that post after scanning through her later defensive posts, I find it hard to see that sentence as much more than a mountain/ molefan pun attempt. story, why did it prompt you to vote her then?
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Post by bufftabby on Dec 4, 2008 0:07:10 GMT -5
Okay, just because you asked (sort of), zeriel.
I am YOSHI. I am not vanillan but I am Town. Full power to be claimed just prior to death.
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Post by sinjin on Dec 4, 2008 0:08:16 GMT -5
I put this together to get straight in my mind the sequence of events. Sorry if it's too long.
Ok the whole bufftabby thing starts with this relatively benign post by bt:
NAF replies with:
storyteller responds to NAF's post with this: This is actually kind of a snarky inflammatory post. In my opinion up to this point the "event" was not "repeatedly discussed, referenced.....described as a 'debacle.'" Prior to this it was talked about in about the same way we pick apart every little thing on day one.
NAF next responds with: This completely misses the point that buff was calling out misterblocky for not removing his vote on Special Ed after the "debacle" petered out. Note also that misterblocky did remove his Special Ed vote after this.
storyteller responds to NAF's post with: Snarky and threatening. [oog]Did anyone but me get a vision of story's previous avatar (Hannibal Lecter) chowing down (not in the good way) on buff as an after dinner snack?[/oog]
rugger then posts this about the use of the word "debacle" that everyone ignores: underlining mine.
So you might think the show is over, but no buffy comes back with this:The unrelated attack on NAF for his unvoting method now seems to set the stage for the rest of the bufftrain.
NAF responds with this equally snarky:Does this mean you are purposefully baiting people NAF? Then NAF comes back with the very next post admitting he's being a dick:
misterblocky comes in with a post that basically says the debacle debacle is basically meh, which everyone ignores.
Then buff pre-emptively OMGUS's storyteller here:
Then story takes it up a notch:And then the pooh slinging commenced in earnest and I'm not going to quote anymore.
I am still torn. Up till the pooh slinging I was going right along with buff. It seemed like she was being double teamed by NAF and storyteller#### for something that was, meh, and that can be infuriating.
However, the subsequent buff ps makes me think more PFK than either town or scum. As a PFK you want to survive at all costs because if you're dead you lose so you're rather desperate.
The storyteller#### ps I'm not sure what to think. He seems so positive that buff is scum. I've only been in two games with him and both times we were on the same side. And he was right soooo many times. But I don't recall him being this aggressive before.
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Post by Gir! on Dec 4, 2008 0:19:53 GMT -5
Just got caught up in reading. I agree that Bufftabby did do something that was really, really odd. I certainly feel I do not need to repost what others have said. However I cannot help but think, while I am inclined to agree and place my vote for her. At the same time, I cannot help but think. If she were SCUM, then why have a suspicion on storyteller? I just mean out of all the possible people to try and divert attention from her self, she picks one of the least scummy looking people here? Seems to me like a real dumb day 1 move to me, especially for a SCUM to make. Now I could be wrong and most of the time I may be. She may very well be a SCUM however she may also be a TOWN that just made a real big mistake. As I said I couldn’t overly find any fault in the arguments for her. At the same time we often know that in day 1 we usually make mistakes and such. So I just do not want to rush into a lynch solely cause every one else has, and then end up finding out it was a mistake. I feel the best person for me is to vote for the one that has to paraphrase, basically said they don't care enough to really get involved in the game. This may not be a sure sign of being SCUM but it does not help us find and lynch the SCUM either. I am not a fan of lynching someone for what they are not doing but what they do post but in this case when the person has said they just do not care to participate. That changes everything. For by not helping us in sudgesting who may or may not be SCUM, in my opinion that is helping hide the SCUM. So I vote DBI (Color removed) Got a reason for the vote? Other than (apparently) "she's not bufftabby"?
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Post by Zeriel on Dec 4, 2008 0:23:33 GMT -5
unvote bufftabby.
That leaves her at 7-6 ahead of DBI by my count. If someone votes for DBI before the deadline, I'll revote buff to keep her on top, pending a roleclaim--I don't like voting for un-counterclaimed roles, but I also don't want scum to get the idea I/we as town will NOT vote for claimed roles if they're claimed by scummy-acting people.
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Post by Gir! on Dec 4, 2008 0:23:39 GMT -5
What I mean to say is, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY BERRIES? Not eggs, berries. I have some blackberries* in the fridge. *Explanation: Actual fruit blackberries. Not communicatin device BlackBerries.
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Post by Gir! on Dec 4, 2008 0:30:47 GMT -5
Okay, just because you asked (sort of), zeriel. I am YOSHI. I am not vanillan but I am Town. Full power to be claimed just prior to death. Okay, this does it for me. Vote bufftabbyWhy? Because if you're a pro-Town power role, no matter how useless your power may be, you should be freaking claiming it to stay alive. So why aren't you? Even if the actual claiming makes you a Night target or leaves you powerless. Because it keeps a probable (or perhaps even certain, if you're confirmable) Townie alive.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Dec 4, 2008 0:55:12 GMT -5
bufftabby - 8 votes (storyteller, NAF, pedescribe, nanook, Almost Human, Hoopy Frood, bufftabby, Kat) DBI - 6 votes (Flyingblankofdoom, Chucara, sinjin, Cookies, shaggy, peekercpa) mmouse - 2 votes (KidV, misterblockey) Chucara - 2 votes (Santo Rugger, miteymouse) Peekercpa - 1 vote (DBI)
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Post by NAF1138 on Dec 4, 2008 1:02:09 GMT -5
NAF responds with this equally snarky:Does this mean you are purposefully baiting people NAF? I think that is misrepresenting what I was doing. I tend to play a progressive game when I am examining people and on Day One I frequently do little things to expose scumminess in other players. Usually it doesn't pan out into anything, but sometimes it does. To Tabby: Ok, Tabby, I have been where you are both as town and scum. Take a breath and unvote yourself please. If you are actually town it isn't going to help us, if you are scum it's kinda a dick move. I get the frustration if you are town, but right now I can't really tell if you are being genuinely a frustrated townie or faking frustrated townie with a side of scum that done fucked up. If you have a legit claim, now would be the time to claim. I am a little concerned that with prompting from just me and storyteller you have racked up 7 votes in a very short period of time. My gut is screaming that every action you have taken so far has been scummy, but my gut isn't 100%, more like 80%. So for the sake of argument, let's say you are town and you are going to swing. A full claim as soon as possible and a vote for the person you think is most suspicions complete with reasons is the thing that will help town most right now. If you are town don't fuck us over because you are upset. Someone has to be lynched Day 1, right or wrong it looks like that person is going to be you toDay. So if we are wrong about you, go down helping your team. It isn't personal, it's mafia. (and I still think you are scum. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) )
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Post by bufftabby on Dec 4, 2008 1:56:41 GMT -5
NAF, I am not looking to screw over Town by voting for myself. I think a DBI lynch would net us less information than my own lynch. It is a strategic move, nothing to do with my...erm, emotional state. Even if I go over-the-top, I'm not gonna mafiasuicide for no reason.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 4, 2008 3:18:07 GMT -5
*[fluff alert]HAHAHAAHAHAHA, even though I stated very clearly at the start of the test that although one of the problems given resembled a problem on an example test I handed out last week it was not the same problem and did not have the same answer. At least 10% put down the example test answer. Well, at least those one are easy to grade. ZERO.[/fa] Just catching up, but, what class are you teaching? Don't they at least get some partial credit? Or are teachers of fundamental courses really evil? ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png) P.S. You should totally teach the synergy club, if you're a college prof.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 4, 2008 3:27:16 GMT -5
And why is it that I always end up posting right after Idle? Because you wait until he answers your question on the scum board, and then pop in here when you're both online at the same time?
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 4, 2008 3:30:03 GMT -5
I will ask, DOES ANYONE HAVE AN EGG? I like eggs. Yoshi?
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 4, 2008 3:30:52 GMT -5
What I mean to say is, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY BERRIES? Not eggs, berries. Yeah, don't know what the berries might signify.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 4, 2008 3:36:06 GMT -5
Okay, just because you asked (sort of), zeriel. I am YOSHI. I am not vanillan but I am Town. Full power to be claimed just prior to death. Okay, this does it for me. Vote bufftabbyWhy? Because if you're a pro-Town power role, no matter how useless your power may be, you should be freaking claiming it to stay alive. So why aren't you? Even if the actual claiming makes you a Night target or leaves you powerless. Because it keeps a probable (or perhaps even certain, if you're confirmable) Townie alive. What Kat said. And, holy, fuck. Next time I do Geeks who Drink, I'm totally going to wait until morning to post instead of trying to pretend I'm playing in real time.
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Post by bufftabby on Dec 4, 2008 4:58:37 GMT -5
unvote bufftabby[/color] vote storyteller[/color]
This is who I find suspicious.
I do not wish to fullclaim. There is no reason why suddenly knowing my paltry power should cause an unvote. Unvote me because the argument is bunk and my accuser is scum. Or at least take as much information as you can from the voters for my lynch. I think the vote record for me will prove valuable. Shouldn't the interest of the Town outweigh my desire for self-preservation?
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Post by Total Ullz on Dec 4, 2008 6:05:09 GMT -5
Vote DBI
DBI didn't put a lot of efford into this game. Also made it sound like that was not just on Day1 - but that RL would make the low participation last for the rest of the game. DBI might be Town - I don't know and at this point I don't think I'll get a "read" on DBI for a very long time. With 3-4 post a Day - DBI and I might get to endgame without I've been able to figure out if she is Town/scum.
Since Buff and DBI are so close right now - I'll make a short comment on why I don't vote Buff. In general I don't like a vote-reason being connected to an other player - but I feel this is a strange situation. I saw the BUFF/STORY-charade as town on town. Didn't really seen any scum-signs on either side. Buff is participating in the game, she claimed (well sort of) and she did get A LOT of votes very quickly after Story voted for her. I know Story is very convincing - but I could also see scum moving in on both Buff and Story (if they are both town). If one is lynched toDay - I could see scum holding the other accountable ToMorrow.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Dec 4, 2008 7:23:33 GMT -5
Hoopy the lamb and lion didn't cross you up? Nope. Though, I am curious now as to which one you consider the lion and which one you consider the lamb.
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Post by sinjin on Dec 4, 2008 7:26:02 GMT -5
*[fluff alert]HAHAHAAHAHAHA, even though I stated very clearly at the start of the test that although one of the problems given resembled a problem on an example test I handed out last week it was not the same problem and did not have the same answer. At least 10% put down the example test answer. Well, at least those one are easy to grade. ZERO.[/fa] Just catching up, but, what class are you teaching? Don't they at least get some partial credit? Or are teachers of fundamental courses really evil? ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png) P.S. You should totally teach the synergy club, if you're a college prof. I'll answer in the fluffity thread, but it's obvious I don't teach English.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Dec 4, 2008 7:44:51 GMT -5
I am YOSHI. I am not vanillan but I am Town. Full power to be claimed just prior to death. Okay, this does it for me. Vote bufftabbyWhy? Because if you're a pro-Town power role, no matter how useless your power may be, you should be freaking claiming it to stay alive. So why aren't you? Even if the actual claiming makes you a Night target or leaves you powerless. Because it keeps a probable (or perhaps even certain, if you're confirmable) Townie alive. Except for there are various roles whose powers are only useful upon death of the player. These roles also tend to become useless when the actual power is claimed since there are typically ways to circumvent the power or conditions that have to be met for the power to activate. For example, she could be a bomb and she might have a bead on who scum is. She might think it's better to die and take out a scum, then to claim and nullify her power. I don't know what she is, but if she is town, I don't really find anything suspicious about her not claiming a power if she feels it's better for her not to.
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Post by sinjin on Dec 4, 2008 7:45:20 GMT -5
I think that is misrepresenting what I was doing. How exactly is this: misrepresenting this? Underlining added by me.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Dec 4, 2008 8:18:50 GMT -5
I do not wish to fullclaim. There is no reason why suddenly knowing my paltry power should cause an unvote. Unvote me because the argument is bunk and my accuser is scum. Or at least take as much information as you can from the voters for my lynch. I think the vote record for me will prove valuable. Shouldn't the interest of the Town outweigh my desire for self-preservation? The vote record for you exists now independent of what happens in the hours to come. If you were to claim, and it were to change people's minds, the vote record would still exist, to be examined at will. I'm just not buying it. If "the interest of the Town" is your actual goal, stonewalling on your power is antithetical to that goal. We don't know, yet, what Idle will and won't reveal upon death, but on the off-chance that you're telling the truth and are actually a pro-Town Power Role, if you die without revealing your power then we might never know what it was. Less information is worse. I suppose Hoopy has a bit of a point about you wanting to avoid hard-claiming your power if it was something that wouldn't be useful until you were dead, but in such a case, why soft-claim a power role at all? If you're trying to keep your power secret for strategic reasons, as Hoopy has suggested, why not simply decline to make any kind of claim whatsoever (or even, I suppose, false claim vanilla, although obviously I think that'd be a bad idea)? Why introduce a soft-claim that's bound to do nothing but confuse the issue in the waning hours of the Day? I suppose there are possible explanations, but none of them are as simple, elegant, and likely as that you are Scum trying a last-second Hail Mary. Soft-claim, refuse to reveal your power, and hope a precious few risk-averse Townies will unvote you on general principles. It might work, but I'm keeping my vote where it is.
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Post by shaggy on Dec 4, 2008 8:22:22 GMT -5
Got a reason for the vote? Other than (apparently) "she's not bufftabby"? As I said, first she apears as though she was here the whole time but not bothering to post. Is this not the true definition of lurking? She then goes onto basically says that half of it is meaningless anyways so why bother participating. To me this may not mean she is SCUM but it does show to me that she is not pro-town and helping us. And if she is not helping us find the SCUM, then I see no reason not to vote DBI. Here is her posts reread your self. *is poked by Idle Thoughts* Ow! What was that for? Yeah, I haven't said much, but toDay has been, for the large part, substance free (other than the molefan/shaggy stuff). Rather than clutter the thread up with noise I've been hanging back doing stuff pertaining to real life. Okay, okay, so there was more going on. I was being facetious. It's just really, really frustrating to slog through 20+ pages of stuff, at least half of which is pointless noise. Maybe I should go back to taking notes...
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Post by shaggy on Dec 4, 2008 8:25:30 GMT -5
sorry I said meaningless and it should have been pointless.
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Post by Chucara on Dec 4, 2008 8:28:01 GMT -5
Story: bufftabby did say she would reveal her powers before the end of the day.
Anyway, I have a hard time understanding the reluctance to claim if it could save your hide. The thing is, I have a hard time understanding it both if you are scum (in which case would just lie to win another day or two) or if you are time (in which case you should tell the truth).
I could buy Hoopy's argument that your power is death-activated, however, in which case you are doing the right thing. However, that makes you town, and your ability could always be triggered later without a mislynch. For that reasons and the strongly anti-town behaviour of DBI, I'll keep my vote where it is.
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Post by Chucara on Dec 4, 2008 8:29:28 GMT -5
Argh.. sorry for the typos above..
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