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Day One
Nov 22, 2008 23:58:37 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Nov 22, 2008 23:58:37 GMT -5
There is IMO nothing more damaging than a mislynch, apart from the mislynch of a townie with a night-kill ability. (And that would never happen here... oh, wait. It did. ) By full-claiming now, I've taken the course that IMO is least likely to lead to my lynch. This in turn gives the town one extra chance to take out a scum / PRK ("playing for keeps" - a third-party player whose win condition sometimes conflicts with the town's). And even if they don't... hell, I'm more use to them here than out of the game, even as vanilla town. It's the other townies' business when and how they "come out". Having said that, if someone had already claimed vanilla before I did, I wouldn't have claimed myself. One claim doesn't hurt the town cause. Multiple claims effectively give the scum free licence to claim vanilla roles themselves, and also have the effect of outing the town roleplayers. Which kinda answers your question of why I claimed early - I wanted to be first. Oh, and one final point - the scum might not have known about the type of characters played by the townies before my initial vanilla town claim. If it's then confirmed that vanilla town do have characters like Koopa Troopers, it doesn't by any means clear me (since it's possible the scum have a role list or something), but it does at least lend some weight to my claim. Whereas if another Koopa Trooper had come out before me, we'd all know what characters the townies might have, in which case I could just be a scum or PFK copying the prior claim. So for that reason I'd actually advise other vanilla townies NOT to come out. Like I said, one claim doesn't hurt the town. Several do.
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Day One
Nov 23, 2008 0:08:08 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Nov 23, 2008 0:08:08 GMT -5
I think, with regard to molefan, that we are going to run into trouble. I agree that the vanilla role claim is odd; I think moley tends to play a little bit more of an individual game than a team one, regardless of which side he's on. But - and I've struggled with this point as much as anyone - at some point we are going to have to collectively embrace the simple fact that "a play I don't agree with" isn't the same as "a scummy play." I don't see much evident pro-Town upside to molefan'[s/]b play, but nor do I see a specific Scum motivation underlying it. Pending further information, I'll view it as a null tell.
Thank you. Two things: 1) I do believe that I bring a different perception to the table, one that might help me to see things that others miss, even if I then miss things that they see. I think I proved that one in Batman when I defended Sinjin and denounced Darth. Therefore, even as vanilla town I'm useful. Simply put, I think the townies would be worse off without me. 2) I do have an individual motive. I've gone out early in the last three games I've played here: once because of, to put it frankly, a really really badly designed game-mechanic that I had no control over; once because of some appalling scum play on my own part; and once that we're obviously not going to agree on (we've argued this point in the Skrull Planet game and I'm not going into it here.) So if it's ok with everyone, I'd like a shot at getting to night two this time!
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Day One
Nov 23, 2008 0:12:18 GMT -5
Post by special on Nov 23, 2008 0:12:18 GMT -5
I think I'm understanding you a bit better now, molefan. But why should you make this claim. And why should anyone believe you?
And, I agree that it's bad to mislynch. How does a vanilla claim prevent that? Are you thinking that by claiming Vanilla first you'll be assumed to be Town and we'll lynch from the remaining players?
Making a huge assumption that you're being honest, and that the Town, in general, believes you, and for the sake of argument, assuming 5 Scum.....and disregarding Scum's ability to evade a first Day lynch...you've increased our chances for getting Scum from 5/25 (20%) to 5/24 (almost 21%).
That said, if we just take a guess at 10 power roles, the odds of Scum getting a power role have increased from 10/20 (50%) to 10/19 (53%)
and, the only motivation I see for you doing this is so that YOU can live longer?
Maybe that's a good thing if you're a PFK. Or maybe you're a Jester just looking to be lynched. It really doesn't make any sense to me as a town play.
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Day One
Nov 23, 2008 0:34:06 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Nov 23, 2008 0:34:06 GMT -5
It might not. However, I've answered your questions twice over now and you're still asking the same ones using slightly different language. Which IMO leaves only one thing left to do:
Vote Special Ed.
To point out one player and keep interrogating them, using the same old questions... that's a sign of potential scumminess pretty much everywhere I've played, this forum included. This is getting to the point where it stops being a question-and-answer session and starts being an attack.
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Day One
Nov 23, 2008 0:41:45 GMT -5
Post by special on Nov 23, 2008 0:41:45 GMT -5
It might not. However, I've answered your questions twice over now and you're still asking the same ones using slightly different language. Which IMO leaves only one thing left to do: Vote Special Ed. To point out one player and keep interrogating them, using the same old questions... that's a sign of potential scumminess pretty much everywhere I've played, this forum included. This is getting to the point where it stops being a question-and-answer session and starts being an attack. It wasn't an attack. I'm just trying to understand your style of play. I admit it confuses me, and despite your statements, it continues to confuse me. The only reason I see for your choice is that you want to survive a few Days. That just conflicts with what I see as the goal of the game, which is to see to it that my side, which in this game is town, wins the game. I'm not prepared to vote for you, because, like story says, maybe you're just choosing to play a poor tactic for your own reasons. It's certainly not a Scum tell, because I would think most Scum would be too smart to do something that's anti-town on Day 1.
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Day One
Nov 23, 2008 0:51:24 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Nov 23, 2008 0:51:24 GMT -5
It might not. However, I've answered your questions twice over now and you're still asking the same ones using slightly different language. Which IMO leaves only one thing left to do: Vote Special Ed. To point out one player and keep interrogating them, using the same old questions... that's a sign of potential scumminess pretty much everywhere I've played, this forum included. This is getting to the point where it stops being a question-and-answer session and starts being an attack. It wasn't an attack. I'm just trying to understand your style of play. I admit it confuses me, and despite your statements, it continues to confuse me. The only reason I see for your choice is that you want to survive a few Days. That just conflicts with what I see as the goal of the game, which is to see to it that my side, which in this game is town, wins the game. I'm not prepared to vote for you, because, like story says, maybe you're just choosing to play a poor tactic for your own reasons. It's certainly not a Scum tell, because I would think most Scum would be too smart to do something that's anti-town on Day 1. Well technically I won with my side last game, which is small consolation since most of them voted me off on day one without the help of the scum. So yes, I admit to actually wanting to have a decent crack at actually playing the game this time, while maintaining that I can bring a lot more to the town cause alive than I can dead. Once again: I've been lynched early twice in a row now, once when I was scum, once when I was town. A change of tactics is definitely called for. This is what I've chosen to do. So what I suggest is that we back off each other for now, at least until we have a lot more information to go on. If you're town, you'd be making a mistake targeting me; and I think we can agree that if I'm telling the truth, the last thing either I or the town needs is another townie making it their personal obsession to get me lynched. So right now, unvote Mr Special Ed.
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Day One
Nov 23, 2008 0:57:39 GMT -5
Post by special on Nov 23, 2008 0:57:39 GMT -5
It wasn't an attack. I'm just trying to understand your style of play. I admit it confuses me, and despite your statements, it continues to confuse me. The only reason I see for your choice is that you want to survive a few Days. That just conflicts with what I see as the goal of the game, which is to see to it that my side, which in this game is town, wins the game. I'm not prepared to vote for you, because, like story says, maybe you're just choosing to play a poor tactic for your own reasons. It's certainly not a Scum tell, because I would think most Scum would be too smart to do something that's anti-town on Day 1. Well technically I won with my side last game, which is small consolation since most of them voted me off on day one without the help of the scum. So yes, I admit to actually wanting to have a decent crack at actually playing the game this time, while maintaining that I can bring a lot more to the town cause alive than I can dead. Once again: I've been lynched early twice in a row now, once when I was scum, once when I was town. A change of tactics is definitely called for. This is what I've chosen to do. So what I suggest is that we back off each other for now, at least until we have a lot more information to go on. If you're town, you'd be making a mistake targeting me; and I think we can agree that if I'm telling the truth, the last thing either I or the town needs is another townie making it their personal obsession to get me lynched. So right now, unvote Mr Special Ed. OK, so we disagree on the point. For me, a win is a win. I've never made it to endgame in any of the 7 games I've played, though in the most recent one, I was the one lynched to end the game. So I too would like to make it to endgame, but I would rather win dead than survive to the end and lose. I didn't mean to be attacking you. I didn't even accuse you of being scummy. I was only trying to point out that your unilateral move probably won't help the town, and perhaps the FBer's in here will understand when I start thinking about MARK A. And I do have an annoying habit of going on and on and thinking out loud and confusing even myself. I'll try to stop that hehe I consider the matter closed for now.
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Day One
Nov 23, 2008 2:02:32 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 23, 2008 2:02:32 GMT -5
Mother of Og.
I am gonna have to agree to some extent and disagree to some extent.
I just am curious about the whole role claim thingamajob. As ed points out, mathematically if believed and true, hurts town. As has already been mentioned, seriously, WTF. And I agree with story that to some extent that survival wants can be a null tell. But I caveat that with the feeling that I sure as hell don't want someome in the foxhole with me whose primary motivation is making sure that they survive until tomorrow.
I understand that anti-town does not equate to scum. But anti-town is still anti-town.
I read some of the spoiled Skrull thread (geez you guys can be viscious). What came out loud and strong was that moley felt pretty durn bitter about what happened to him. I like playing as well. But in the spirit of teamwork if my death helps the town, then what the hey. If your only motivation for survival is personal then what good are you doing for the "collective"?
And because it was an ant hill vote.
Unvote Story
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Day One
Nov 23, 2008 2:27:13 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 23, 2008 2:27:13 GMT -5
And while this is a game and should be treated as such are we getting too PC? I mean we want to be kind of civil but seriously. On the Dope some clown got his panties in a wad about the way that he was addressed. WTF.
And I only use this as a hypothetical because I know these phuqs. I routinely butt heads with plugso, buffer, story and hooper. Butt they also know that regardless of what I say about them in this forum that come nut cutting time that if they are ever in ole San Antone that they have a room, a shower and an adult libation of their choice at their disposal courtesy of Moi.
Matter of fact I just Freudianly lined up my all time Scattergoy final table.
And GD there are a bunch in the wings. chuc, MerryMan, total and AH (they lost by the way - ouch).
NAF, IT and Blam are also welcome to the extent that the tent has room.
Fucking mental image. I'm getting cuffed while the rest of you derelicts keep playing spades or Scrabble (patent pending).
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Day One
Nov 23, 2008 2:46:03 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 23, 2008 2:46:03 GMT -5
And Moley that's some seriously self centered shit that you are smoking.
Phuqwhad.
You are welcome as well.
Peek
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Day One
Nov 23, 2008 2:47:00 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Nov 23, 2008 2:47:00 GMT -5
Mother of Og. I am gonna have to agree to some extent and disagree to some extent. I just am curious about the whole role claim thingamajob. As ed points out, mathematically if believed and true, hurts town. As has already been mentioned, seriously, WTF. And I agree with story that to some extent that survival wants can be a null tell. But I caveat that with the feeling that I sure as hell don't want someome in the foxhole with me whose primary motivation is making sure that they survive until tomorrow. I understand that anti-town does not equate to scum. But anti-town is still anti-town. I read some of the spoiled Skrull thread (geez you guys can be viscious). What came out loud and strong was that moley felt pretty durn bitter about what happened to him. I like playing as well. But in the spirit of teamwork if my death helps the town, then what the hey. If your only motivation for survival is personal then what good are you doing for the "collective"? And because it was an ant hill vote. Unvote StoryThe problem with that reasoning is that my death has never yet helped the town in any way. The only time I've really helped the town is when I survived until the end of the game and helped as much as I could to pull out the win. When I was killed off in Skrull Planet, the citizens managed to lynch the PFK roleblocker Rogue, who at worst could be said to be "neutral, potentially harmful", followed by two strong townies. I think it's fair to say that no scum was ever harmed as a result of my death. I don't think you give me enough credit either Peek... In "Arkham Nights" I tried to sacrifice myself in order to protect NAF, a fellow Mason and role-player. But he stopped me from doing so by role-claiming before I could do it for him. The intention was there though. If I got the chance to take a bullet instead of a doc / cop-type role, I'd do it, without question. The point is, though, you actually have to survive long enough to get the opportunity to do it first. And I've not had much success in that area recently!
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Day One
Nov 23, 2008 2:53:36 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 23, 2008 2:53:36 GMT -5
Hey, fucking Ed. What's up with the "scums ability to avoid a first day lynch"? Or some such nonsense. Got something you wanna share?
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Day One
Nov 23, 2008 3:03:57 GMT -5
Post by special on Nov 23, 2008 3:03:57 GMT -5
Hey, fucking Ed. What's up with the "scums ability to avoid a first day lynch"? Or some such nonsense. Got something you wanna share? I've got something to share with you, peek, but I don't think your mouth is big enough. What I meant by the comment was that Scum have an advantage especially on Day 1. Since Town doesn't have a clue who is who, Scum can easily sit back and watch as we select potential victims. If a Scum does fall into danger of being lynched, they have several tactics to escape, a vote or two can swing the lynch to someone else, a false claim can buy a Day or Two and potentially get a power role to out himself. What I mean by that is that it's easier for Scum to evade a lynching on Day 1, since we really have nothing to go on, and unless they are epically stupid, they won't give us anything to go on.
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Day One
Nov 23, 2008 3:06:25 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Nov 23, 2008 3:06:25 GMT -5
Oh, and you might agree with Special Ed's numbers. I don't. For example, we don't know how many scum there are, or how many vanilla town there are. For all I know, every townie could be vanilla town. (I've played one game where they were, and nobody expected it. There was a Godfather in that one as well.)
And even if he's right, to complain that the scum chances of night-killing a power role have been increased "from 50% to 53%" really doesn't seem all that significant to me. If the scum have a reason to take someone out, they'll take someone out. Finally, they may not accept my claim and decide to kill me anyway (although I rather hope that they don't!)
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Day One
Nov 23, 2008 3:07:24 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 23, 2008 3:07:24 GMT -5
How the phuq old are you Moley?
Years would be helpful but I think I can extrpolate star dates if needed.
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Day One
Nov 23, 2008 3:17:13 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 23, 2008 3:17:13 GMT -5
Hey, fucking Ed. What's up with the "scums ability to avoid a first day lynch"? Or some such nonsense. Got something you wanna share? I've got something to share with you, peek, but I don't think your mouth is big enough. What I meant by the comment was that Scum have an advantage especially on Day 1. Since Town doesn't have a clue who is who, Scum can easily sit back and watch as we select potential victims. If a Scum does fall into danger of being lynched, they have several tactics to escape, a vote or two can swing the lynch to someone else, a false claim can buy a Day or Two and potentially get a power role to out himself. What I mean by that is that it's easier for Scum to evade a lynching on Day 1, since we really have nothing to go on, and unless they are epically stupid, they won't give us anything to go on. Good point. Just a poor CPA. Cont't get anything bigger than a pencil in my mouth so you should be fine. "...it's easier for Scum to evade a lynching on Day 1." Fucking Einstein.
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Day One
Nov 23, 2008 3:26:10 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Nov 23, 2008 3:26:10 GMT -5
How the phuq old are you Moley? Years would be helpful but I think I can extrpolate star dates if needed. Well, if you're up for a challenge... Hmmmmmmm... lemme see... My mother is currently four years older than twice my age. When I was half as old as I am now, my mother was four years older than three times my age was then. When I was a quarter as old as I am now, my mother was four years older than five times my age was then. I'm twenty eight!Can you fill in the blanks? (And I'll look a right prat if that didn't work...)
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Day One
Nov 23, 2008 3:27:02 GMT -5
Post by special on Nov 23, 2008 3:27:02 GMT -5
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Day One
Nov 23, 2008 3:31:20 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Nov 23, 2008 3:31:20 GMT -5
Uh-huh... just how stoned is everyone? Just out of interest?
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Day One
Nov 23, 2008 3:37:21 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 23, 2008 3:37:21 GMT -5
A lot.
Fucking ed/b] and moley have been added to the dance card. Thank god that buff has ten teats.
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Day One
Nov 23, 2008 3:51:22 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 23, 2008 3:51:22 GMT -5
How the phuq old are you Moley? Years would be helpful but I think I can extrpolate star dates if needed. Well, if you're up for a challenge... Hmmmmmmm... lemme see... My mother is currently four years older than twice my age. When I was half as old as I am now, my mother was four years older than three times my age was then. When I was a quarter as old as I am now, my mother was four years older than five times my age was then. I'm twenty eight!Can you fill in the blanks? (And I'll look a right prat if that didn't work...) You're fucking THREE??? That'splains it..
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Day One
Nov 23, 2008 6:58:49 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Nov 23, 2008 6:58:49 GMT -5
It might not. However, I've answered your questions twice over now and you're still asking the same ones using slightly different language. Which IMO leaves only one thing left to do: Vote Special Ed. To point out one player and keep interrogating them, using the same old questions... that's a sign of potential scumminess pretty much everywhere I've played, this forum included. This is getting to the point where it stops being a question-and-answer session and starts being an attack. Call it an "attack" or just natural curiosity - but do you really see any pro-Town in the scenario: 1. A player claims vanilla town - out of the blue only to make it further in the game (and avoid a lynch on himslef) 2. When asked about the possibiliti that vanilla claims can hurt town he answer: yes - if anybody else did it too - but I did it to save my sweet little arse 3. When still asked WHAT GOOD that claim did Town, he votes for the one player asking questions and then 4. When this players (who didn't even vote or FOS) says: I'm not going to vote for you and please let's take it esay... there is an unvote with no real reason??? I can't see anything PRO-town in the way you play and if you want to vote for me for saying that - fine! Right now I would very much like to hear if YOU think you have done anything good for Town toDay... And yes a mis-lynch is bad - but on Day 1 it can happen and I really don't think a vanilla mis-lynch as the worse possibility right now. When that is said I would go rather go for a lurker on Day 1 but I must point out that your claim is not enough for me to BELIEVE your claim...
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Day One
Nov 23, 2008 7:58:07 GMT -5
Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Nov 23, 2008 7:58:07 GMT -5
I've got something to share with you, peek, but I don't think your mouth is big enough. This guy, I like.
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Day One
Nov 23, 2008 8:12:35 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 23, 2008 8:12:35 GMT -5
I've got something to share with you, peek, but I don't think your mouth is big enough. This guy, I like. He probably likes your tounge. Another tosser.
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Day One
Nov 23, 2008 8:33:01 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 23, 2008 8:33:01 GMT -5
In reading the spoiled portion of Skrull what I took away was that inconsistencies are what are the ultimate demise of scum. If you are town you don't have to remember what lies you have told because you have told none. If scum you do ala KidV.
So for moley to claim and then come back with the suggestion that no one else claim because it's a bad idea is Hmmmmm.
And in the new spirit of this game I am seriously thinking that Fuckwad Ed, Dickweed Mole and Piece of shit Sqid get together for a nice afternoon of bridge.
I can make the scones but someone else is relegated to the tea portion. Otherwise you are getting Lipton, in which case I am taking a pass.
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Day One
Nov 23, 2008 8:52:30 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 23, 2008 8:52:30 GMT -5
NETA
It should have been Pencil Dick Ed.
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Day One
Nov 23, 2008 9:31:26 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 23, 2008 9:31:26 GMT -5
After a re - read.
This just in from the Discovery Channel.
[Discovery Channel] Recent observations from the Hubble have confirmed that the universe does in fact revolve around a phenonemon named moley. Noted physicist Stephen Hawking went so far as to say, "It appears that this portion of the nebula has an appendage shaped like a pencil protruding from what we astronomers call "their squid". We have tentatively named it Mr. Ed. Further investigations will determine whether this is unique or just a fundamental flaw in God's design. We believe that if it is, in fact, a stellar anomoly that we have the tools to cure it. We are currently looking at converting the Moon from cheese to a large dose of Viagra. We can then target the moon to the limp dick and have it exit the galaxy."[/Discovery Chanel]
Fascinating, I tell you. Just fascinating.
Woot the flippin' woot. Ain't life grand.
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Day One
Nov 23, 2008 9:58:17 GMT -5
Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Nov 23, 2008 9:58:17 GMT -5
I claim 100% innocence in the changing of peekercpa's title. Okay 99% innocence. I'm not even in the game!
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Day One
Nov 23, 2008 10:15:42 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 23, 2008 10:15:42 GMT -5
I claim 100% innocence in the changing of peekercpa's title. Okay 99% innocence. I'm not even in the game! Woot the fucking Woot. Someone actually reads this shit that I post. Having said that, if you do read you will be transformed. Kind of like fucking Confucious. Or Manson. Your friggin' choice. squid Pffffft. Takes one to know one. Your mama. Rubber/glue. Fuck you, piece of shit, best part of you ran down your mamas thigh into her ass, probably eat your steak medium well and watch Oprah for your current events updates. Lying piece of scrab. Wanna come over and drink a beer or two while the missus kicks our collective ass in Trivial Pursuit (patent pending).
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Day One
Nov 23, 2008 12:18:43 GMT -5
Post by Almost Human on Nov 23, 2008 12:18:43 GMT -5
So a quick run down of the day so far:
molefan is 40 - a mere child (either that or my maths is crap)
Mr Special Ed thinks he has too much for peek's mouth to handle (Mr S.E. I've seen the 'mushroom' photo - who are you kidding)
I want to play Trivial Pursuit with the Peekses
I've no idea if Squidio's playing or not but I'd advise anyone getting too close to his radula unless he's recently sanded it.
As far as the actual GAME goes - it's probably just as well that this is going to be a long Day because the only person who's jumped out at me so far is moley and even though I don't particularly agree with his decision to try and stay in the game longer by claiming I don't think it makes him scum.
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