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Post by Nanook on Jan 6, 2009 10:02:30 GMT -5
Unless someone can come up with something substantial against Rugger, I see no reason not to vote for the self-admitted PFK. Sure, he could be a survivor. Or he could be a bomber that is desperate to survive a Day or two in order to trigger his win-con. Furthermore, there's the very real possibilty(though I don't think it likely), that he's the last PFK, and by killing him we will win if the win-con switches to All PFK Dead again. I'm about ready to slap a real vote on him, unless someone comes up with something solid against Rugger.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 6, 2009 10:36:35 GMT -5
by killing him we will win if the win-con switches to All PFK Dead again. Which is also a good point, and one I had thought about. Chucara has been on since the PFK claim, and hasn't claimed anything, so I'll open up my magic bag. One thing I noticed in Idle's response when I asked if I was insane was that he not only said I wasn't but said I can find out who is scum or town. There was no mention of PFK. There is also no metion in my PM of actually being able to read PFK, just that I learn sides. Since PFK typically have no side but their own, it's possible that I can't read PFK, which essentially means our last two PFK are outed. In 25 people, 2 or 3 PFK can be reasonably expected, and we would have 3 between mmouse, Ed, and chucara. The thing is, with Ed dead, a lot of the WIFOM disappears. No matter what, things don't look good for chucara whether Ed is scum or PFK. If we eliminate PFK, we do satisfy one of our rotating win conditions. And if they rotate in the same order, we have "all PFK dead" coming up tomorrow. A lynch of Ed, followed by a vig of Chucara could win this for us by morning. But that's only if both are PFK, if we have a vig out there, if that vig wasn't a one-shot who used it on pedescribe, and if we are honestly in a win-condition cycle. Now we could also lynch someone else, hope the vig takes out a PFK tonight, find out tomorrow that PFK must be dead for us to win, and lynch the remaining PFK. But that has similar caveats to above. And both choices above assume we have a vig and that vig can still kill. Without that, if we hit scum (or town) toDay, and we don't have a vig, and we can win toMorrow with the all PFK dead condition, we will have screwed ourselves if there are two PFK remaining. There is a lot of WIFOM in those scenarios. Ed's death will clear some of it up. A rugger lynch will net us less information, but if he is scum, will probably take out a more dangerous foe. But we don't know he's scum for certain, he's just put out some scummy vibes and the DBI thing is damning, but not concrete. So I am fine either way, but I'd prefer Ed.
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Post by KidVermicious on Jan 6, 2009 12:06:03 GMT -5
Without knowing for sure if the scum wincon is cycling as well, taking out both PFKs may be the LAST thing we want to do.
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Post by Nanook on Jan 6, 2009 13:13:00 GMT -5
Considering it has changed every single Day, and there are no indications that it won't continue to do so, I see no reason to believe it won't change again.
We're at less than 8 hours now. It's time to vote for real. There's not really anything to the Rugger vote, and as I stated above there's a chance this can end the game in our favor Tomorrow, I'm voting Ed. I'll be back to unvote later when more people have voted.
[bold]Vote Mr. Special Ed[/bold]
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Post by Total Ullz on Jan 6, 2009 13:25:38 GMT -5
Considering it has changed every single Day, and there are no indications that it won't continue to do so, I see no reason to believe it won't change again. We're at less than 8 hours now. It's time to vote for real. There's not really anything to the Rugger vote, and as I stated above there's a chance this can end the game in our favor Tomorrow, I'm voting Ed. I'll be back to unvote later when more people have voted. [bold] Vote Mr. Special Ed[/bold] How do I do it then? Should I unvote Zeriel, vote Special - wait till everyone has voted and then come back to unvote Special and vote Zeriel? Because with the difference in timezones I'm not really sure if that will work. I'm going to go to bed in 3 hours - and I will not be up before Day has ended. Therefore it would be best for me to just stay with the vote on Zeriel and for everyone else to unvote Special.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jan 6, 2009 13:27:52 GMT -5
I've warmed to the idea of taking out the claimed PFK. A bird in the hand and all...
I will get your gender right one of these days, Almost Human.
Vote for Special Ed[/color]
Locked and loaded.
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Post by KidVermicious on Jan 6, 2009 13:31:13 GMT -5
All right, then. Vote Special Ed[/color].
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 6, 2009 13:36:35 GMT -5
Considering it has changed every single Day, and there are no indications that it won't continue to do so, I see no reason to believe it won't change again. We're at less than 8 hours now. It's time to vote for real. There's not really anything to the Rugger vote, and as I stated above there's a chance this can end the game in our favor Tomorrow, I'm voting Ed. I'll be back to unvote later when more people have voted. [bold] Vote Mr. Special Ed[/bold] How do I do it then? Should I unvote Zeriel, vote Special - wait till everyone has voted and then come back to unvote Special and vote Zeriel? Because with the difference in timezones I'm not really sure if that will work. I'm going to go to bed in 3 hours - and I will not be up before Day has ended. Therefore it would be best for me to just stay with the vote on Zeriel and for everyone else to unvote Special. What, they don't have alarm clocks in Denmark? Where's your dedication? (Just kidding.) But seriously, in 3 hours, it'll be 1.5 hours from Day end. I think at that point it's safe to be the first unvoter on Special Ed unless someone beats you to it. Due to my commute schedule home, I won't be able to kick in my unvote until around Day end anyway.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Jan 6, 2009 14:05:16 GMT -5
Vote SpEd
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Post by sinjin on Jan 6, 2009 14:12:47 GMT -5
Vote Mr. Special Ed
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Post by Zeriel on Jan 6, 2009 14:21:02 GMT -5
Without knowing for sure if the scum wincon is cycling as well, taking out both PFKs may be the LAST thing we want to do. On one hand, you're right--if scum win conditions are cycling with a different periodicity than ours then it's possible us killing all PFKs at the wrong time could win the game for scum. On the other hand, given there was a "town wins when all town are dead" win condition in there, what happens if we manage to mistime a "scum wins when all scum are dead" win condition? Basically, I don't think it's wise to game the win condition if it's constantly shifting, we should just play normally (i.e, hunt scum and pfk, in that order) unless A) the wincon is in fact shifting predictably and B) we have an opportunity to win in that day's lynch. (I make an exception for "gaming the win condition by killing our claimed Mallow in an effort to freeze the win condition in a favorable way", but I don't necessarily advocate that, I just think it's the only potentially reasonable wincon-related action we can take) vote Mr. Special Ed
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Post by Chucara on Jan 6, 2009 14:35:58 GMT -5
Just a quick claim.. I don't really have time to read the latest stuff, but I do see that Ed has claimed PFK. I believe that.
So this is where I should claim vig or something, but I don't see how I could ever survive this game, so I'll just come right out and say this:
I am SAMUS, the serial killer.
I know that there are scum left, or that you'll win by lynching Ed. I know that I will lose once all scum are dead, so by my account, there must still be scum or PFK left other than me. I don't necessarily expect you to believe it.
Kill me next lynch, or vote for who I should target tonight (if game continues) - your choice, but unless game ends after Ed is dead, there are still scum left. I'm willing to kill whoever town decides.
And just a quick note as well to sinjin: I wasn't actually fishing for a role pm, I was sincerely trying to verify nanook, as I figure there must still be scum left. And I realized my "tonight" slip was actually because I thought the day ended "tonight" in real time, but that was the SDMB game..
The work situation isn't as bad as expected, so I might have some more time to participate.. Then again, I don't care who wins, so I probably won't vote.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jan 6, 2009 14:38:39 GMT -5
Greaaaat. Just what we need. Fatalistic, bored apathy with a gun!
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Post by Total Ullz on Jan 6, 2009 14:41:23 GMT -5
Greaaaat. Just what we need. Fatalistic, bored apathy with a gun! Oog - I like you sense of humor
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Post by sinjin on Jan 6, 2009 14:50:11 GMT -5
And the game just gets crazier.
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Post by Nanook on Jan 6, 2009 15:22:57 GMT -5
Ya know what? That claim blows goats. Because I would much rather lynch a self-proclaimed Serial Killer than a self-proclaimed Survivor. I just don't think we have time to switch the votes around.
Two questions for you Chu. Are you required to kill each Night, or do you have the option not to? And was it you that targeted me on Night 2?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 6, 2009 15:23:34 GMT -5
There's four hours left.
Vote count:
Currently no unvotes.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 6, 2009 15:27:15 GMT -5
And the game just gets crazier. Yeah. So if Chucara is telling the truth, apparently I was right. I can't get a read on PFK. And a logical explanation within this framework is being that I'm from the Mario universe, I have no prior experience with either Link (from Zelda) or Samus (from Metroid). It makes about as much sense, if not more, than anything else we've seen. And if both our claimed PFK's are telling the truth, then our spinies are coming from somewhere else, which really has me concerned. I really am looking forward to this Day ending and us actually getting some sort of clarity. (Though, I'm not counting on us getting as much as I'd like.) And chucara, any reason you'd care to share with us as to why there has only been one additional kill this whole game?
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Post by Almost Human on Jan 6, 2009 15:38:58 GMT -5
Ya know what? That claim blows goats. Because I would much rather lynch a self-proclaimed Serial Killer than a self-proclaimed Survivor. I just don't think we have time to switch the votes around. Two questions for you Chu. Are you required to kill each Night, or do you have the option not to? And was it you that targeted me on Night 2? I'd prefer to lynch him too but you're right, there isn't enough time to switch. vote Mr Special EdWill be back to unvote closer to the deadline.
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Post by Chucara on Jan 6, 2009 15:44:49 GMT -5
Various answers:
I'm Samus from Metroid I have to kill each night I have succesfully killed each night I did not target Nannok on day two, I killed NAF I know the game will end when the last scum/other PFK dies. I think there might be some well hidden scum still left.. Not sure though If there are no scum left, Ed will win when I die I lose if only town are left (with the current win condition, I expect) I have no idea where spinies are coming from (leaves me to believe it's either Ed or scum(or Ed is scum)) I allow you to decide who to kill, just figure out how to vote for it yourselves, or kill me if you don't want to I have no idea why there has only been one kill except me. But I did have plenty a good laugh over it at times. And I was kinda expecting to use it to pose as vig, but with too many confirmed town, the best laid plans of mice and men just doesn't cut it. The vote below will probably be my last this game
vote Special Edunvote Special Ed
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Post by Total Ullz on Jan 6, 2009 15:49:29 GMT -5
Various answers: I'm Samus from Metroid I have to kill each night I have succesfully killed each night I did not target Nannok on day two, I killed NAF I know the game will end when the last scum/other PFK dies. I think there might be some well hidden scum still left.. Not sure though If there are no scum left, Ed will win when I die I lose if only town are left (with the current win condition, I expect) I have no idea where spinies are coming from (leaves me to believe it's either Ed or scum(or Ed is scum)) I allow you to decide who to kill, just figure out how to vote for it yourselves, or kill me if you don't want to I have no idea why there has only been one kill except me. But I did have plenty a good laugh over it at times. And I was kinda expecting to use it to pose as vig, but with too many confirmed town, the best laid plans of mice and men just doesn't cut it. The vote below will probably be my last this game vote Special Edunvote Special EdCan you kill yourself? Who will you kill toNight - if any?
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Post by Chucara on Jan 6, 2009 15:52:41 GMT -5
Total Lost: - I don't know if I can kill myself. - I have to kill every night. - I will let you(everyone) vote for my target (or however you'd like to decide)
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 6, 2009 16:02:35 GMT -5
So who did you kill last night? And has your kill been successful every night so far?
And while the Day is going on, it might be worth it to start a discussion on who we want you to kill toNight.
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Post by KidVermicious on Jan 6, 2009 16:12:13 GMT -5
Just to clarify, please, Chucara, you're saying your kill has never failed? And did you kill Pedescribe or FCOD?
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Post by KidVermicious on Jan 6, 2009 16:15:15 GMT -5
Chucara, if you were Town, assuming that Ed is lynched and dead, who would you target?
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Post by Total Ullz on Jan 6, 2009 16:17:16 GMT -5
I hate to say this... but it might be a good time to ask Chuc to take out Almost Human.
We don't know if he'll do it - but I think she might be the best because: a) she has a thing on her back b) she had claimed vanilla c) a lot seems to think she mighe be scum
I'm sorry Almost Human - but time is short and I think it would make sense.
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Post by Almost Human on Jan 6, 2009 16:24:08 GMT -5
I hate to say this... but it might be a good time to ask Chuc to take out Almost Human. We don't know if he'll do it - but I think she might be the best because: a) she has a thing on her back b) she had claimed vanilla c) a lot seems to think she mighe be scum I'm sorry Almost Human - but time is short and I think it would make sense. Nah, it's cool. I was going to suggest it myself anyway. If the spiney is a bomb then hopefully it'll take out a pfk. If it isn't then it's still a concern so one less is a good thing and you're not wasting a lynch on it. As Kat's confirmed by Hoopy, I'm the logical choice.
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Post by Almost Human on Jan 6, 2009 16:27:26 GMT -5
There's also a pretty good chance I'm going to have to go away in the next couple of days for a while so my participation might be a bit erratic. I hope I don't have to because it'll involve looking after small children (yuk) and to make matters worse they don't have internet and the phone signal's appalling.
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Post by Total Ullz on Jan 6, 2009 16:30:24 GMT -5
and to make matters worse they don't have internet and the phone signal's appalling. Oog: For real?? People without internet??
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Post by Santo Rugger on Jan 6, 2009 16:36:32 GMT -5
I bet they don't keep their pint glasses in their freezers, either!
[explanation]When I first moved to Santa Fe, I went to a buddy's house I had known for awhile, but hadn't hung out at his house before. I wanted a beer from the keggerator, so when I didn't see any pint glasses in the cupboard, I asked, "Where are all the pint glasses?
"They're in the freezer, where else would they be? What do you think we are, Neanderthals?"[/explanation]
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