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Post by sinjin on Jan 5, 2009 17:37:50 GMT -5
I am confused. I thought Ed was claiming super* scotsman for one day/night period then some sort of kill resistance in the "air" environment that he's not too sure of. What is it with these folks who do not understand their power. Idle seems to answer every question asked in the game is he not clarifying your pms about your roles?
I also would like a clarification from Ed. At this point I am willing to real vote for either Ed or Chucara when the time comes.
*super because he can't be lynched and also can't be night-killed. When I was the strongman it was a use it once and it's gone ability.
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Post by special on Jan 5, 2009 17:58:55 GMT -5
I asked for clarification on both parts of my 'power' I was basically told that I will not die in the water. When This Day started and I saw the next Day would probably be in the air, I asked for clarification of that part. Idle just confused me and refused to be clearer. I did look up my character. I'm some sort of fish who carries her babies in her mouth. My babies are called Cheeps, and I think they can fly, which is why I asked if we had a Cheep with a weird role message.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 5, 2009 18:24:00 GMT -5
I can't believe it's come to this. After railing against people who did this in previous games. Really, on it's own, it would be meaningless, and it should be, usually, but I just can't let this go unremarked. But I wholeheartedly give myself a and a for this. I feel so dirty. Really. Italicizing mine. First we have FCOD quoting the original town vanilla PM here (since the original has been erased by Idle and replaced with the current one): psychopathgame.proboards106.com/index.cgi?board=water&action=display&thread=614&page=2#34749We also have MiteyMouse's claim here: psychopathgame.proboards106.com/index.cgi?board=water&action=display&thread=618&page=8#36194And here's my role PM (name snipped in case their are any Riddler from Arkham types or similar running around) Note that we have one mod in this game. And that mod has sent us all our PM's. Note also that it's highly probable with 18 or so town (Figure 5 scum and 2 PFK's give or take) that he would have just copypasta the win condition. Do any town actually have the words "who are" missing from your original PM? Just another data point. I'm glad I'm underwater. The syntax-Nazi filth washes off easier.
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Post by Almost Human on Jan 5, 2009 18:44:15 GMT -5
Damn, I was just about to faux vote santo. Then the page timed out so I had to go back in again, saw your post, checked my pm:
faux vote Mr Special Ed
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Post by Almost Human on Jan 5, 2009 18:47:20 GMT -5
To Total: No need to find the post. I think i do remember saying that about how I play on FB. But that's FB. I think you'll agree we both play quite differently on here and on the SDMB.
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Post by sinjin on Jan 5, 2009 19:08:48 GMT -5
I just checked and I have the same thing Hoopy.
faux vote special ed
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Post by KidVermicious on Jan 5, 2009 19:19:58 GMT -5
Barring anybody claiming to be Town with a PM formatted like Mr Special Eds, I'll change my fauxvote to Mr Special Ed[/yellow] too, because thats just odd. I don't have a scum vibe from him at all, but I wonder if we've found the source of our spinies.
For the record, I'm still completely unopposed to a Santo or AH lynch, and will happily move my vote to one of them if necessary... whatever it takes to get a majority.
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Post by special on Jan 5, 2009 19:30:59 GMT -5
Barring anybody claiming to be Town with a PM formatted like Mr Special Eds, I'll change my fauxvote to Mr Special Ed[/yellow] too, because thats just odd. I don't have a scum vibe from him at all, but I wonder if we've found the source of our spinies. For the record, I'm still completely unopposed to a Santo or AH lynch, and will happily move my vote to one of them if necessary... whatever it takes to get a majority. Yes, I was upset Idle for removing the Vanilla PM. I copied from molefan's post, but apparently I made a mistake. I should have copied and pasted, but I didn't know if that would leave formatting trailmarks. Here's my actual role PM: I've been trying to play the game by being helpful to town (that is, I've actually been trying to assure a Town win), while still remaining slightly scummy so I didn't get NK'd This might also help to explain your "inconsistent' result, hoopy. Now I've just got to hope the town believes me and believes itself to being close enough to lynch or lose that they can't afford killing a PFK.
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Post by KidVermicious on Jan 5, 2009 19:38:01 GMT -5
I wanna know why Pedescribe died... is this a good time to test for a Vig? Hoopy, who else did you get an "inconsistent" on? I don't wanna dig.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 5, 2009 19:49:52 GMT -5
Just to remind everyone..Day ends tomorrow. Under 24 hours remain.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jan 5, 2009 19:50:56 GMT -5
Well hell, I was leaning toward voting for Special Ed, and then his attempted PM post sealed the deal, but now that he's fully claimed PFK, I'm back to chewing on what to do with him.
At this point I'm coming down to either Special Ed or Almost Human. After repeated attempts to re-read yesterDay's Mushroom Kingdom thread, I keep parsing it like Almost Human should've gone to the gallows based on how much suspicion and discussion was focused on him, but somehow a wagon was built against shaggy, which I just don't get.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 5, 2009 19:51:17 GMT -5
Vote count:
There are currently no unvotes.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 5, 2009 19:52:31 GMT -5
I wanna know why Pedescribe died... is this a good time to test for a Vig? Hoopy, who else did you get an "inconsistent" on? I don't wanna dig. Chucara. And it's on the first page you lazy ass. It's not like you'd have to dig all that far. So chucara, care to comment? And FYI, my number two choice for lynching is Rugger. But a large part of what I do depends on what Chucara does. I have a bit more info I didn't reveal right away, because I really didn't think anything of it at the time. But if we believe Ed now (and I don't know if I believe him at this point), it might be relevant. But I want Chucara to speak first. Understand if he doesn't, I don't mind taking this magic bag to my grave with me (since with an exposed doctor, I'm only expecting to live at most one more Day if I'm lucky), because it only becomes relevant with Chucara claiming something. All I'll say is it provides a little extra data that might shed a bit more light on the inconclusive readings I got.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jan 5, 2009 19:53:18 GMT -5
Time flies when you're still trying to catch up after the holidaze. I'm just going to Fauxvote Almost Human[/color].
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 5, 2009 20:13:26 GMT -5
I will throw out one thing, though.
How does a survivor mesh with a town win condition (well, actually we've seen two of 'em) that requires all PFK dead? Normally I'd have a real issue with the claim on that fact, but there are two mitigating circumstances:
1) The win condition changes each day. A mechanic that is tied to a townie in color, but really is inherent to the game itself.
2) We already had one PFK who won by being lynched. I wouldn't be surprised that we have one who wins by not being lynched (or nightkilled). As I said in earlier days (and emphasized in minus world), town will win this by playing for the standard town win condtion. We need all scum and all PFK who can steal our win dead, regardless of what the actual condition is. Because at that point, the win condtion will take care of itself. We've seen survivors get nailed by town (i.e. DBI in Arkham) and that allowed scum to get two more kills in that they probably wouldn't have. We've also seen PFK claim town or even non-dangerous PFK, and seen it come back to bite town in the ass. (E.g. Rysto AKA Death, the serial killer of Pollux Oil's Apocalypse Mafia claiming back-up vig and "vigging" the second to last scum to both get cred and spearheading the last scum's lynch to win the game that night as he made his final kill, since he only needed two other players remaining to win as long as the other horseman was dead.)
So yeah, things have just got real interesting.
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Post by MiteyMouse on Jan 5, 2009 22:19:06 GMT -5
I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to place my unvote...I probably won't be here at the end of this day and have to geet to bed soon.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 5, 2009 23:00:45 GMT -5
The problem you've left us with Ed, is that less than 20 hours left in the day, we pretty much have to lynch you. If you really are a PFK (and in particular a survivor, though any non-killing PFK might be worth keeping around a bit longer depending, after all, we seem to only have two spinies, so even a bomber might be better put off for another day), you've given us no time to truly evaluate your claim and determine what it means for us. You are a safe lynch. And since most of us have faux-voted lynching you already, to come up with another target is going to create havoc with the end of the Day. You've given us a big steaming pile of WIFOM and no good way to resolve it in the time remaining.
Now, I have to go to bed soon. I will be up fairly early in the morning. I'm torn between starting the ball rolling on you, or going to bed and telling the rest of the townies to make a decision between you and Rugger, and I will vote accordingly when I get up. This will give people more time to ponder your claim if they desire. Personally, I'm really leaning toward's simplifying the whole works and getting rid of you. But I will wait. For a bit. I will make one more post before I go to bed in about 15 minutes or so. I'll get ready for bed and think this over more. You will have my final decision on whether I vote you now or wait to see what happens when I get up.
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Post by special on Jan 5, 2009 23:11:48 GMT -5
obviously, I would support a rugger lynch :-D though I think it might also be pro-town to vote Almost...oh,, who am I kidding? I'd support an anybody but me lynch
That is the problem with waiting so long. People will have to check in tomorrow afternoon/evening to unvote effectively.
I'd rather not die, I've still never made it to endgame.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 5, 2009 23:32:48 GMT -5
Final faux-vote (and two real vote) counts:
zeriel (1) - Total Lost Ed (7) - Nanook, Hoopy, Chucara, zeriel, Kat, Almost Human, Sinjin, KidV Almost Human (3) - MiteyMouse, Ed, Cookies
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 5, 2009 23:46:49 GMT -5
So Ed has outright lied to us toDay. While out of all his claims, I actually believe his last one the most, it's largely beside the point. I can easily see desperate scum pulling this as well. As a survivor, you really don't want to lie to town. You want to stay somewhat low and try to be scummy enough to avoid nightkill, but townie enough that they always have someone better to lynch. Until you get to the point where either you get a detective who can confirm your actual role or town is so close to lylo they have to take a risk and get the scum instead of you. However, we should have at least 2 mislynches remaining before lylo. We also might have a vig, who if he helps us get scum, will buy us half a mislynch each time he does so. (The flipside, is he costs us half a mislynch if he takes out town/pfk.) We can afford to lynch you to get info, especially because there is no way to confirm you are pfk (nor would I honestly even try if I could at this point, I'm trying to find townies). I really don't want to see a townie get taken out instead of you because we couldn't make up our mind in time. Scum are out there, probably four of them. Your death narrows the pool, gives data, and makes sure a townie isn't lynched. While nailing scum is better than PFK (assuming you're finally telling the truth), I'm not willing to risk a scum in the bush who could be a townie for the non-townie in hand.
Besides, you could be our bomber. And all sides need you dead in that case.
vote ed
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Post by KidVermicious on Jan 5, 2009 23:48:19 GMT -5
I'm really thinking we leave Ed alone for now. Somebody killed Ped, and it looks like Town motivation to do it. Lets see what happens overNight with him.
I'm feeling a Santo lynch slightly more than an AH lynch, and thats where I'm going to move my fauxvote - Lynch Santo[/color].
He came in with time to reread and comment, and didn't say anything about the case against him... thats exactly how I played as scum in Marvel and SDMB, and it worked both times. This, added to his vote record and general play style, locks him down for me.
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Post by KidVermicious on Jan 5, 2009 23:51:20 GMT -5
Argh - Hoopy, we've got all day tomorrow, can we wait to see what the consensus is in the morning, please?
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Post by Almost Human on Jan 6, 2009 3:31:28 GMT -5
OK so it looks like we're lynching the survivor at the moment. If the concensus changes and more votes swing my way, can I suggest Ed agrees to make the final vote as long as it isn't a hammer?
If this spiney thing is a bomb then we take out a pfk without having to use a lynch and if it isn't then at least he's showing he's willing to play on the town side and might be allowed to live a bit longer.
But just to repeat.....I'm town! ;D
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Post by Almost Human on Jan 6, 2009 3:37:18 GMT -5
Well hell, I was leaning toward voting for Special Ed, and then his attempted PM post sealed the deal, but now that he's fully claimed PFK, I'm back to chewing on what to do with him. At this point I'm coming down to either Special Ed or Almost Human. After repeated attempts to re-read yesterDay's Mushroom Kingdom thread, I keep parsing it like Almost Human should've gone to the gallows based on how much suspicion and discussion was focused on him, but somehow a wagon was built against shaggy, which I just don't get. I'm a girl! I have girl bits and everything! And I don't get this vote at all. I made the case against shaggy certainly and I stand by it too. I thought he was scum. He constantly contradicted himself and also gave some very smudgy opinions dressed up as fact which were completely untrue. I'm still surprised he's town. How does voting for someone who, at the time had no votes make sense if I was trying to save myself. Surely it would've been a hell of a lot easier to just vote Total who had votes too?
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 6, 2009 7:19:41 GMT -5
Argh - Hoopy, we've got all day tomorrow, can we wait to see what the consensus is in the morning, please? Fine. Fine. No big deal. I can easily unvote Ed. Vote Rugger. Unvote Rugger. And revote Ed and the only thing we lose is that my vote won't be able to cancel any sneaky scum unvoting. And since I'll be monitoring this on and off all day, I won't be disappearing. If everyone wants to switch to Rugger, I'm okay with that. I just really hate last minute lynches. But if everyone gets behind Rugger, I'm fine with it.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 6, 2009 7:21:16 GMT -5
NETA: This goes the same for all real votes already out there. If we decide on Rugger, you can easily unvote your current vote, vote/unvote Rugger, and then revote your current vote to cancel the earlier unvote. But it does tie up the cancellation power of your vote into the person you voted for earlier.
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Post by Total Ullz on Jan 6, 2009 7:34:05 GMT -5
NETA: This goes the same for all real votes already out there. If we decide on Rugger, you can easily unvote your current vote, vote/unvote Rugger, and then revote your current vote to cancel the earlier unvote. But it does tie up the cancellation power of your vote into the person you voted for earlier. My case against Zeriel could easily apply to Rugger as well (as others have been pointing out toDay). I'll faux-vote Rugger
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Post by special on Jan 6, 2009 8:05:17 GMT -5
I can't access the boards from work, but I'll be home in time to unvote. So, for now, I'll
vote Santo rugger
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Post by sinjin on Jan 6, 2009 9:15:07 GMT -5
So Ed has been lying to us all along and now we're going to believe him when he says he's a survivor? I'm still up for an Ed lynch.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Jan 6, 2009 9:18:44 GMT -5
He came in with time to reread and comment, and didn't say anything about the case against him... thats exactly how I played as scum in Marvel and SDMB, and it worked both times. This, added to his vote record and general play style, locks him down for me. I'm not sure exactly what you expect me to say. It seems like the case against me is, "he voted for bufftabby instead of DBI at a critical juncture." That's pretty inarguable, and I'm not sure how I'm supposed to defend against that.
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