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Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 1, 2007 13:13:49 GMT -5
And that's game! pygmyrugger, a Psychopath, has been found out and put to death. Congratulations town. You have found and destroyed all the Psychopaths. Hockey was the Therapist. Diggit was the Doctor. Nesta, Capy, and Dnooman were the Geniuses. Mhaye was the Chia Bingo Manager JSexton was the Crazy Townie Hockey and Kat were the Lovers...and cowgirl was Cupid. Blaster Master, pygmyrugger, Mal/NAF, and drain bead were the Psychopaths. Thank you for playing in my game. It was fun to host it. I will be opening up Limbo for all now and feel free to talk about what you did at Night, tell stories about what you all thought and what you figured would work, and anything else you wish to say. But now, the really fun part. Being able to see both sides of the picture from Scum and Mason point of view. scummyscum.proboards57.com/index.cgimasontalk.proboards51.com/index.cgi Again, congrats Town on winning the game! Next time you all gather here, NAF and Kat will be running the show. I'll be making them admins here in about two or three days and they'll tell you all the info on their game from there.
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Post by capybara on Sept 1, 2007 13:16:21 GMT -5
Good job, Nesta! Lesson learned-- never listen to me! Woo!
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Post by Santo Rugger on Sept 1, 2007 13:21:36 GMT -5
No fair, I just woke up! Good game guys, it was a fun one! Now if I could just play a game without being scum... that made three for three.
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Post by dnooman on Sept 1, 2007 13:26:40 GMT -5
Huzzah!
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 1, 2007 13:28:10 GMT -5
Limbo should be without a password now.
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Post by nesta on Sept 1, 2007 13:29:23 GMT -5
Wow. And whew. I was right?
I was convinced there were two left at the end. I was expecting (if the game wasn't lost at that point) for pygmy to come up scum and then I was prepared to launch a case against storyteller because I thought between him and Roosh that storyteller set the whole false doc claim up.
I was very tempted to vote storyteller since if there was only one scum left a mislynch wouldn't have cost us the game, and if there were two then I was convinced it was him. Heh.
Great job to the Psychopaths. You really had me confused and doubting myself at the end.
Despite the hiccups (which there always seem to be) I really enjoyed that game. Thanks Idle for hosting it.
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Post by Death By Irony on Sept 1, 2007 13:32:46 GMT -5
Yaay! Go town!
A few notes:
*I find it very ironic that the majority of people high on my suspicion lists ended up as town. (I didn't go after the people low on my suspicion meter because I figure that's where the power roles were congregating.)
*Up until I went into another runoff with pygmy, I was playing a survivalist type style. I was trying to stay in the middle of everyone's suspicion levels--not so scummy that I'd end up lynched, but not so towny that I'd be an easy Nightkill. If I didn't second guess myself so much and used the Preview button more, I think I would have lived longer.
*The runoff against NAF was definitely the most stressful. I had convinced myself that there were still 5 scum left and I would lose the game for the town if I ended up lynched. So the next day, I was more or less ready to die so that my distracting shininess wouldn't be detrimental to the town.
*When capy started defending me, I began to feel a little paranoid. Why was she so certain I was town? And why in the world did the Geniuses make it so blindingly obvious that they were Masons? I began to wonder if Capy and nesta were pulling an elaborate gambit, pretending to be the Masons so that they could lead bandgwagons.
*Very well played, pygmyrugger! Despite a few twinges on the suspicion meter, I couldn't believe that he was scum (throwing NAF under the bus gave him major townie cred).
*So was I right about speculating why someone got Nightkilled being a scumtell?
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Sept 1, 2007 13:45:02 GMT -5
Excellent game everyone! Thanks for hosting Idle!
Can't wait to start the next one.
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Post by RoOsh on Sept 1, 2007 13:53:31 GMT -5
Man.... That was tense! When I saw it was already Night 7, and that Nesta had voted for Pygmy, I was like "oh crap.... There's MORE Scum?!?! Did he hit scum??" So nervous. And sorry then Diggit and Story for the hard time I gave you guys. =) No hard feelings? I told you guys I was town, but honestly at the end, I had no idea for you Diggit, and I'm glad i didn't vote. Story, you were still on my "So townie, that I'm suspicious of you" list, and at the end, I was just hoping you weren't scum, so I wouldn't feel so bad for falling for your town act. But I think we did quite well together, even if we didn't trust each other. (the Drainbead take down was a nice one). And I knew 4 scum sounded about right. I was ranting and raving at the whole 1:3 thing because I didn't think there would be 5 scum in the game, it just seemed crazy regardless of the whole SexyBingoPlayingFiasco or whatnot. And sorry Dotchan for calling for your head all that time, but In the end, i reformed.... Just yeah, the whole "not so towny that'd i'd be an easy nightkill" thing was kinda bad for me heh. I just went all out w/ my role, played it balls to the wall townie. But then towards the end, I realized that I wasn't going to be nightkilled, because it was exactly that very reason that MAKES me look so suspicious (hence why I wasn't looking forwards to Night 7/ Day 7. Glad to see that Nesta woulda picked Story to die over me though Anyways, Thank you all dopers for letting me play, and letting me into your world. I def. enjoyed it, and I look forwards to playing with you all again =D (and I just realized that having my name "Roosh" as the final Posting title for a list of Synonyms for being insane is NOT a good thing. Very Tricky, Idle, Verrry Tricky. Or just very foolish of me for not realizing that earlier. =D Yay! I won my first game of Mafia!
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Post by nesta on Sept 1, 2007 13:54:30 GMT -5
Oh, and I have to add that I was this close to voting for diggit. For some reason I always think he's scum. In M3 I really thought he was until I was recruited, and following along in M5 I thought he was both times until he came up town. In this game while reviewing the thread for the final time he kept defending Mal/NAF which really made me suspicious. His protection decision quotes about whom to protect actually hurt his case in my mind because they seemed a little contrived. [head smacking smiley]
I don't know why I always find him so scummy, but it certainly made that last vote hard. Especially because he and storyteller seemed so chummy and I thought storyteller was scum.
And what's funny to me at least is that the reason I didn't vote for storyteller is that Roosh was starting to seem equally scummy so I felt just a little more sure about pygmy than storyteller, so I decided that in case there was only one scum left that I should vote between the doctors.
Again I think the Pyshopaths played very well. As you read the Genius boards you'll see that I thought Blaster was town for quite a while.
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Post by capybara on Sept 1, 2007 14:10:43 GMT -5
Hah, I think it's hilarious how much more verbose we masons were on our board than the scum,who were all quick business. I guess they didn't have as many things to work out-- they had little guesswork to do. We got into it in an almost embarrassingly enthusiastic way.
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Post by Hal Briston on Sept 1, 2007 15:53:30 GMT -5
Woohoo! Go town!!
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Post by RoOsh on Sept 1, 2007 16:26:52 GMT -5
One of the nicest things I must say though that helped me out was the night that Dnooman ended up dying, and was posted as a mason, I went through all his posts. And in day 3, he had posted a list of his thoughts WAY back in Day 3 (Reply #63 actually). That post is actually what created my "FOS LIST" that I kept referring to (I just added dotchan's name to it), but in it he implied that he was suspicious of: Dnoo's LIST: Mal Pygmy Mhaye Diggit Mad And for some reason, It just struck me that those players were really unlikely to be Masons. So from that I pretty much "cleared" in my head: Story, Blaster, Capy, Nesta, and Greedy. In fact I expected 2 of them to be Masons with another one of them to probably be the Doctor (maybe I gave the Geniuses too much credit, but I figured Dnoo was trying to leave clues). That was primarily the major reason i was so suspicious of Diggit/Pygmy through the entire game, and not really of Blaster. In my mind, I had pegged there were 4 Geniuses, and i thought that Greedy was the 4th Genius to my guesses of Nesta and Capy. And then when they said only 3 geniuses. I then had either Blaster or Greedy pegged as the Doctor. Then when Greedy was gone, I really had BM as a potential Doctor. =-\ But from the day that Dnoo died, i pretty much just took his list and tried to continue its trains of thoughts. Playing as a potential "Genius" role with his information. So thanks for leaving the list behind. But i felt that scum also probably knew who all the geniuses were, if I was able to deduce that within the first few days of knowing Dnoo's dead, so thats one reason i kept suggesting the claims from the doctor and Geniuses. If Blaster had said he was the doc instead of Pygmy, I would have believed him 100% and voted vs. Diggit (based on the DnooList). This was a VERY close game alot of the ways through, and the read throughs of Genius/Cadaver Labs were really interesting =)
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Post by RoOsh on Sept 1, 2007 16:27:11 GMT -5
And in the future, I'll try to break up my posts, Mhaye. =)
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Post by Merestil Haye on Sept 1, 2007 17:07:41 GMT -5
Many thanks. That'll help.
And if you sit and think you can probably work out why your Karma kept dropping.
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Post by diggitcamara on Sept 1, 2007 17:12:54 GMT -5
Man.... That was tense! When I saw it was already Night 7, and that Nesta had voted for Pygmy, I was like "oh crap.... There's MORE Scum?!?! Did he hit scum??" So nervous. And sorry then Diggit and Story for the hard time I gave you guys. =) No hard feelings? I told you guys I was town, but honestly at the end, I had no idea for you Diggit, and I'm glad i didn't vote. (snip) Yay! I won my first game of Mafia! No hard feelings at all. And funny, I always keep forgetting how little scum tends to read (the main thread). I was so sure they knew I was the Doctor... and it seems all the time they simply overlooked me. Great game, Idle! Loved the "News".
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Post by diggitcamara on Sept 1, 2007 17:26:37 GMT -5
Oh, and I have to add that I was this close to voting for diggit. For some reason I always think he's scum. In M3 I really thought he was until I was recruited, and following along in M5 I thought he was both times until he came up town. In this game while reviewing the thread for the final time he kept defending Mal/NAF which really made me suspicious. His protection decision quotes about whom to protect actually hurt his case in my mind because they seemed a little contrived. [head smacking smiley] I don't know why I always find him so scummy, but it certainly made that last vote hard. Especially because he and storyteller seemed so chummy and I thought storyteller was scum. (snip) On what Day? (did you come that close to voting for me?) Because if it was on Day 7 it wouldn't have mattered anyhow. It would have left you, Roosh, storyteller vs. pygmy. And regardless of who he killed... he'd have lost. Like he said on the scum boards, his only option was to achieve a Roosh or a storyteller lynch. But, since I came on board of the "false Doctor lynching", that was (realistically) out. Lucky us, storyteller was wrong about the number of scum on Day 6.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 1, 2007 17:35:42 GMT -5
Diggit just about had it all down way back on Day 6 or 7. He made a post naming all the scum and the plans they had.
Even more reasons why I think he/you are one of the most insightful players in the game.
You would be VERY VERY dangerous scum, diggit. Very. Have you ever been scum yet? I don't remember you ever being one.
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Post by dnooman on Sept 1, 2007 19:43:47 GMT -5
Thanks Roosh! Always good to know one's death was not in vain.
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Post by diggitcamara on Sept 1, 2007 22:44:17 GMT -5
Diggit just about had it all down way back on Day 6 or 7. He made a post naming all the scum and the plans they had. Even more reasons why I think he/you are one of the most insightful players in the game. You would be VERY VERY dangerous scum, diggit. Very. Have you ever been scum yet? I don't remember you ever being one. Nope. I have yet to be scum. I'm a good guy, through and through ( nesta, capybara, roosh, et al notwithstanding) ;D
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Post by diggitcamara on Sept 1, 2007 22:53:03 GMT -5
Diggit just about had it all down way back on Day 6 or 7. He made a post naming all the scum and the plans they had. (snip) And yeah, I had my moments. For instance, afte storyteller spotted the whole pygmy-outrage about MHaye's role I saw that Malacandra had backed off further from trying to keep himself alive. But it's funny to see some reactions, like this one from NAF who panicked because I went back to look at Day 1's events, with the assumption that we'd backed two psychos into a corner (which we had).
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Post by nesta on Sept 1, 2007 22:58:17 GMT -5
On what Day? (did you come that close to voting for me?) Because if it was on Day 7 it wouldn't have mattered anyhow. On Day 7. I know now that it wouldn't have mattered since lynching either your or pygmy would win the game but at the time I really thought there were two scum left. That's why I spent hours reviewing the game to make up my mind. I was also very tempted to vote for storyteller because I had him pegged as the other scum. I finally decided to vote between you two because up until the false doctor roleclaim I thought there were only 4 initial scum, and decided that if that was the case voting for one of you was the best bet. A note to diggit: don't be so scummy.
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Post by nesta on Sept 1, 2007 23:10:45 GMT -5
After reading the scum boards I also find it interesting that they didn't take advantage of the ability do discuss things during the day, and didn't have any grand plan. This is consistent with the other games I've participated in. In M2 the scum strategy was basically "don't tie yourself to other sucm... in fact, gain townie cred by going after each other." I was expecting that this game would be a little different since they could discuss things during the day and orchestrate things, but it seems they mostly focused on what to do that day/night rather than come up with a multi-day plan.
There's a lesson there somewhere if I ever play scum again. I think they could have benefited a lot more by coordinating their infighting and suspicion-throwing than they did.
Overall, though, I think it was fun that both the Psychopaths and Geniuses could talk during the day. It made the game much more interesting.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Sept 1, 2007 23:17:55 GMT -5
On what Day? (did you come that close to voting for me?) Because if it was on Day 7 it wouldn't have mattered anyhow. On Day 7. I know now that it wouldn't have mattered since lynching either your or pygmy would win the game but at the time I really thought there were two scum left. That's why I spent hours reviewing the game to make up my mind. I was also very tempted to vote for storyteller because I had him pegged as the other scum. I finally decided to vote between you two because up until the false doctor roleclaim I thought there were only 4 initial scum, and decided that if that was the case voting for one of you was the best bet. A note to diggit: don't be so scummy. Wow, geez, I walk away from the game for a day and come back and it's over. Awesome. Go town! So I just got done reading the Genius boards, and geez, capy and nesta, y'all really had a lot of suspicions of me, huh? I just can't figure it out - the only time people don't think I'm scum is when I'm scum.
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Post by nesta on Sept 1, 2007 23:49:04 GMT -5
So I just got done reading the Genius boards, and geez, capy and nesta, y'all really had a lot of suspicions of me, huh? I just can't figure it out - the only time people don't think I'm scum is when I'm scum. I guess I'm going going to have to cut you some slack if/when we play together again. I was right that one reason they kept you alive was as a cover for another experienced player ( Baster), but even at the end I was thinking you were scum. I think it's because you are so good at being town, even when scum, that I distrust you. Also, your vote for drainbead on Day 1 was rather wishy-washy which made me think you really didn't want that lynch to go through. That combined with your saying that you really didn't know who to vote for in the last Days really made me suspicious of you. I'm glad the game ended Today because if it had continued I had quite the case lined up to try to convince diggit that you were scum and not Roosh, who diggit would have gone after Tomorrow. I thought that if you were scum that it was orchestrated very well to lead to a loss due to their suspicion of each other. Since now I know you were town I have to say your catch of Blaster was very good. When I re-read the game on Day 3/4 (I don't remember when) I picked up on the same things with Blaster, thinking he was trying to cast doubt on a lot of people without really taking a stance. If there had been five scum to start, though, it would have totally been storyteller.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Sept 2, 2007 2:05:59 GMT -5
<snip> So I just got done reading the Genius boards, and geez, capy and nesta, y'all really had a lot of suspicions of me, huh? I just can't figure it out - the only time people don't think I'm scum is when I'm scum. I think I may know why. When you're scum (the royal you), you have a definite objective. You know who you'd like to see lynched, for one reason or another. Your posts come across as more authoritative and confident. However, when you're town*, you have to play a guessing game. You may contradict yourself, maybe even in the same post, because you're genuinely trying to find out who's who. For some reason, that looks scummy. It seems like a good town strategy would be to lynch those most "helpful" to the town. I can't figure it out, either. *I've never been a townie, so that's pure speculation. I'm the ultimate bad guy! Haha.
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Post by diggitcamara on Sept 2, 2007 2:45:42 GMT -5
<snip> So I just got done reading the Genius boards, and geez, capy and nesta, y'all really had a lot of suspicions of me, huh? I just can't figure it out - the only time people don't think I'm scum is when I'm scum. I think I may know why. When you're scum (the royal you), you have a definite objective. You know who you'd like to see lynched, for one reason or another. Your posts come across as more authoritative and confident. However, when you're town*, you have to play a guessing game. You may contradict yourself, maybe even in the same post, because you're genuinely trying to find out who's who. For some reason, that looks scummy. It seems like a good town strategy would be to lynch those most "helpful" to the town. I can't figure it out, either. *I've never been a townie, so that's pure speculation. I'm the ultimate bad guy! Haha. Actually that ties in with my "perfect knowledge" theory. The thing is, at the time of the end game one way to ferret out scum is to look at those who either always voted "right" (that is, always voted to lynch scum when they are lynched and always oppose lynching townies) or voice strong suspicions (like, for instance "well... I'll vote for so-and-so but only because you all think she's scum. Because I still think she isn't")
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Post by storyteller0910 on Sept 2, 2007 9:17:27 GMT -5
I do have one question for our resident psycopaths, if they are inclined to answer. Namely: why on Earth did you keep tageting the Doctor toward the mid- to late-game when we had two confirmed townies, the Geniuses, still floating around out there? As we discussed in the game ad nauseum, it would have taken two Doc blocks to extend the game by one Day, so risking one Doc block wasn't really a risk at all. The way it played out, the deaths of Greedy and especially MadtheSwine were hugely helpful, because they kept reducing our pool of lynch targets. In particular, I think if y'all had targeted one of the Geniuses on the Night when you killed Mad, we would have been in trouble. No one in the town seemed to have any idea what to do with him - I think he would have gotten lynched eventually, and that would have put us in a much worse situation then the one in which we ended up.
I was really surprised that you kept taking the risk of shrinking the lynch pool in pursuit of a player - the Doctor - who wasn't really going to be able to extend the game anyway without pretty good luck.
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Post by diggitcamara on Sept 2, 2007 11:21:45 GMT -5
I do have one question for our resident psycopaths, if they are inclined to answer. Namely: why on Earth did you keep tageting the Doctor toward the mid- to late-game when we had two confirmed townies, the Geniuses, still floating around out there? As we discussed in the game ad nauseum, it would have taken two Doc blocks to extend the game by one Day, so risking one Doc block wasn't really a risk at all. The way it played out, the deaths of Greedy and especially MadtheSwine were hugely helpful, because they kept reducing our pool of lynch targets. In particular, I think if y'all had targeted one of the Geniuses on the Night when you killed Mad, we would have been in trouble. No one in the town seemed to have any idea what to do with him - I think he would have gotten lynched eventually, and that would have put us in a much worse situation then the one in which we ended up. I was really surprised that you kept taking the risk of shrinking the lynch pool in pursuit of a player - the Doctor - who wasn't really going to be able to extend the game anyway without pretty good luck. Well, by now you can see yourself I'm not a scum, but as far as I can tell they avoided targeting the geniuses because it gave them a reduced chance of success (they thought I'd be protecting them). Which, in-game, was exactly the reason why I didn't protect them (or myself for that matter; I was so sure they knew who I was)... The way I understand it, they wanted to hit me so I would be too scared to protect anyone but myself from there on. And then they'd be able to target the geniuses without my intervention. In my case that'd prompt the opposite reaction, though.
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