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Post by BillMc on Feb 15, 2009 15:44:41 GMT -5
The reason that I think this? Well, no one has pressed me to claim, although I haven't, but let it be known: I am not vanilla. I decline to claim any further at this time. I am a power role. I encourage the You encourage what? Yup, I noticed in #381 that you didn't actually claim - given it has been rather quiet I was waiting to see what you would say next. While you claim to be not vanilla - you also didn't actually claim to be town - do we take that as a non-vanilla-scum claim? ;D Now I am town, I'm 100% certain of that - and if your power had dredged up anything, then you would know that, or if you had used said power on seattleguy you would be more supportive of those wishing to lynch (since you are accusing him here). Which kinda leads me to believe that whatever power you have, hasn't furnished you with conclusive evidence either way.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Feb 15, 2009 21:21:15 GMT -5
...what the hell happened up there? I swear I wrote out a second half to that post. That's weird.
Anyway, I was saying that...
...I encourage the Scum, or anyone else of a mean and nasty nature, to take a shot at me toNight, if they'd like to learn more about my role. It's quirky and fun; come and get me, fuckers. Triple dog dare you.
Anyway, no, Bill my role hasn't turned up anything definitive. It is the existence of my role that makes me believe that either you or seattleguy is probably lying. Three pro-Town power roles seems unlikely to me in a game of this size. I will say, though, that if both you and seattleguy are telling the truth, then we are probably looking at three Scum (if there are Scum at all). If there are three Scum, then a mislynch of seattleguy right now, followed by a successful Scum kill toNight, almost surely ends the game (and we lose).
I have grave concerns about Hoopy. We need to settle on a person to whom Hoopy is required to give his knife, and if he gives it to anyone else for any reason, he needs to die. His ability to grant the Scum an extra kill is worrisome, particularly when he has recently admitted that he feels it would not be in his best interest to help us find Scum.
Fuck. I dunno. For now, I will:
vote roxis
Tomorrow morning, I will re-read the end of Day Two and see if the brokentree bandwagon yields any clues.
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Post by Captain Pinkies on Feb 15, 2009 22:52:20 GMT -5
Interesting turn of events.. how about we lynch hoopy today, tonight I redirect Chameleon to Story teller.. If she is town there is not a problem if she is the beast she is dead...... Chameleon I do not want to see die for no reason.... But I am telling the truth and I see you as a threat.... bill you track me to confirm my actions..
Thoughts?
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Feb 15, 2009 23:55:13 GMT -5
His ability to grant the Scum an extra kill is worrisome, particularly when he has recently admitted that he feels it would not be in his best interest to help us find Scum. Do you disagree with that logic? Do you think it's in a survivor's best interest to find scum? I don't want to give them any excuse to kill me. The fact that as it is I stand to give town an extra kill makes me dangerous enough to them as it is. Heck, since I'm not required to vote, I'm not even going to bother doing that. Because I don't care who scum or town are. Makes little difference to me being able to win. As it is, since you guys get to pick who I give the knife to, I'm already helping you. Um, that's good and all, but since the Day ends in a few hours, do you want to toss out who I should give the knife to?
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Feb 15, 2009 23:58:45 GMT -5
Actually, I'm going to catch up in the main game as much as I have time for. Since NAF has been the only one anyone has suggested I give the knife to, I'm going to give it to him unless someone objects a lot and thinks of someone better.
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Post by Mister Blockey on Feb 16, 2009 2:10:14 GMT -5
The remaining dinner guests decided it was time for an open honest discussion. One by one they gave their back stories, which seemed mostly boring. A couple people piped up with a gem or two, including a claim to be delivering knives, and then the recanting of a boring backstory by Seattleguy. Suddenly there was purpose. Clearly Seattleguy had admitted to not being a regular dinner guest, and he had lied. He must die!
Roxis and NAF went to take him by the arms but they grasped thin air. Suddenly everyone became aware that Seattleguy was actually a six inch tall fairy. Swatting implements were quickly grabbed. Chairs and plates flew through the air, until finally Chameleon impaled him on the end of a candlestick.
Seattleguy: a Malicious Fairy(specific redirector) is dead.
Final Vote Count
Seattleguy (3): Roxis, NAF, Chameleon Roxis (1): Storyteller
It is now night. Night will end 2 am Eastern time Wednesday the 18th, or after I have received all night actions.
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Post by Captain Pinkies on Feb 16, 2009 3:03:24 GMT -5
The remaining dinner guests decided it was time for an open honest discussion. One by one they gave their back stories, which seemed mostly boring. A couple people piped up with a gem or two, including a claim to be delivering knives, and then the recanting of a boring backstory by Seattleguy. Suddenly there was purpose. Clearly Seattleguy had admitted to not being a regular dinner guest, and he had lied. He must die! Roxis and NAF went to take him by the arms but they grasped thin air. Suddenly everyone became aware that Seattleguy was actually a six inch tall fairy. Swatting implements were quickly grabbed. Chairs and plates flew through the air, until finally Chameleon impaled him on the end of a candlestick. Seattleguy: a Malicious Fairy(specific redirector) is dead. Final Vote Count Seattleguy (3): Roxis, NAF, Chameleon Roxis (1): Storyteller It is now night. Night will end 2 am Eastern time Wednesday the 18th, or after I have received all night actions. I'm FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by BillMc on Feb 16, 2009 3:08:05 GMT -5
MB is "malicious" pro or anti-town?
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Post by roxis on Feb 16, 2009 7:18:22 GMT -5
MB is "malicious" pro or anti-town? .......
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Post by storyteller0910 on Feb 16, 2009 7:55:16 GMT -5
misterblockey, will you confirm that seattleguy was or was not "Scum" as we normally think of that term being defined, or that he was or was not a third-party/independent agent?
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Post by BillMc on Feb 16, 2009 9:35:34 GMT -5
MB is "malicious" pro or anti-town? ....... Same as what Storyteller asked.
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Post by Mister Blockey on Feb 16, 2009 12:51:55 GMT -5
misterblockey, will you confirm that seattleguy was or was not "Scum" as we normally think of that term being defined, or that he was or was not a third-party/independent agent? I will neither confirm nor deny that. I will say that he was not town.
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Post by Total Ullz on Feb 16, 2009 14:11:21 GMT -5
misterblockey, will you confirm that seattleguy was or was not "Scum" as we normally think of that term being defined, or that he was or was not a third-party/independent agent? I will neither confirm nor deny that. I will say that he was not town. Well - that's odd. Maybe we don't have regular "scum"-team in this game. Just a lot of spooooky killers
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Post by Chameleon on Feb 16, 2009 14:41:33 GMT -5
I knew he couldn't be a good guy!
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Post by roxis on Feb 16, 2009 15:47:53 GMT -5
Same as what Storyteller asked. Your "pro town" is what I was referring to.
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Post by NAF1138 on Feb 16, 2009 18:53:34 GMT -5
Hey all, I'm back for a second. Yosemite was wonderful and full of snow. Also, it looks like we lynched a good person to lynch!
Woohoo.
Off to kill someone with my knife.
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Post by Mister Blockey on Feb 17, 2009 16:38:06 GMT -5
As the sun rises everybody is woken by the smell of fresh baked cinnamon buns. One by one they crowd around Hoopy Frood's door where the smell is coming from.
"Hey!" someone yells, "aren't you gonna share!"
No answer.
"Come on, be a sport or we'll just lynch you tonight!"
The door creaks and falls open and suddenly the cinnamon bun scent is replaced by an overwhelming odor of brimstone. The room is littered with chunks of cauterized flesh all glowing red or burning with an eerie green flame.
Conscious of the MHaye chunk issue everyone shuffles into the room, kicking smoldering chunks away. In the closet an array of seemingly demonic materials were hidden. Suddenly the stench of brimstone tripled and all of the chunks vaporized.
Hoopy Frood: Ecneralc the Demon(special serial killer) is dead.
It is now day. Day ends 5 pm Sunday the 22nd.
With 6 people alive 4 votes on one person will start a 12 hour countdown.
The Living: 1 Total Lost 4 NAF 5 Storyteller 6 Roxis 9 Chameleon 11 billsmcmillan
The Dead: 8 dorianphoenix vanilla town 10 Pedescribe vanilla town 7 Brokentree vanilla town 2 MHaye vanilla town 12 seattleguy Malicious Fairy(specific redirector) 3 Hoopy Frood Ecneralc the Demon(special serial killer)
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Post by Total Ullz on Feb 17, 2009 16:54:26 GMT -5
We're doing well now - oh, joy!!!
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Post by Total Ullz on Feb 17, 2009 16:58:30 GMT -5
Oh, wait - why was there only ONE kill this Night?
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Post by BillMc on Feb 17, 2009 17:00:01 GMT -5
I'd hate to see the cleaning bill for the carpets in this mansion. Clarence the demon?
Well as I indicated - I was going to track Chameleon last night - but I couldn't find Chameleon
So either a) I was blocked/redirected by someone else b) Chameleon was out and about at night
If (b), the Chameleon is not vanilla town as previously claimed.
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Post by BillMc on Feb 17, 2009 17:02:48 GMT -5
Oh, wait - why was there only ONE kill this Night? NAF has the knife - whether he can still use it since Hoopy is now in pieces is unknown. Tho no claws and teeth this time.
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Post by NAF1138 on Feb 17, 2009 17:24:53 GMT -5
Interesting.
I didn't use the knife on Hoopy, but I did use the knife.
Very interesting.
Back in a bit to tell you all who I used the knife on after I try to figure out what this means.
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Post by Total Ullz on Feb 17, 2009 18:03:09 GMT -5
Interesting. I didn't use the knife on Hoopy, but I did use the knife. Very interesting. Back in a bit to tell you all who I used the knife on after I try to figure out what this means. Why do you need to figure it out on your own? Tell us what you know - and we can figure it own together!
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Post by roxis on Feb 17, 2009 19:07:56 GMT -5
And...who would kill Hoopy when as town we were likely going to lynch him eventually?
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Post by storyteller0910 on Feb 17, 2009 21:25:08 GMT -5
Interesting. I didn't use the knife on Hoopy, but I did use the knife. Very interesting. Back in a bit to tell you all who I used the knife on after I try to figure out what this means. Can I guess who you used the knife on? I have a pretty good guess. It'll be just like a magic trick. vote NAF1138
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Post by Chameleon on Feb 17, 2009 23:43:32 GMT -5
Awesome! Didn't expect 2 baddies in a row - it is looking up for us now Bill, once again I didn't do anything during night...maybe I was sleeping under my bed??? It is a pretty spoooooky house after all. I have no idea, but from what we've seen so far with a redirector and knife distributor I wouldn't be surprised to see blockers or other types of redirectors in the game. So if Hoopy F. was a demonic serial killer do you think he might have had more control over the knives than he had stated or that his role worked pretty much as he said? I also wonder if Seattleguy and Hoopy could work together like scum? I know that serial killers are supposed to be PFKs, but in one of the 2 other games I've played the serial killer was actually aligned with scum. Before Seattleguy was killed he and Hoopy seemed to be trying to work out a plan together about who should get the knife, who should be redirected etc.
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Post by Chameleon on Feb 17, 2009 23:44:22 GMT -5
Interesting. I didn't use the knife on Hoopy, but I did use the knife. Very interesting. Back in a bit to tell you all who I used the knife on after I try to figure out what this means. Can I guess who you used the knife on? I have a pretty good guess. It'll be just like a magic trick. vote NAF1138Care to elaborate Storyteller?
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Post by storyteller0910 on Feb 18, 2009 8:35:38 GMT -5
I will elaborate, but I would like to hear what NAF has to say for himself before I do.
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Post by NAF1138 on Feb 18, 2009 11:18:38 GMT -5
I will elaborate, but I would like to hear what NAF has to say for himself before I do. Also interesting. Ok, here is what I know. Story claimed non vanilla. Story knows I attacked him with the knife last Night. Hoopy was killed but Story wasn't, and Hoopy can't be killed by Night attack. Hoopy was PFK The only other powered person we have killed was also PFK Story didn't use the knife in the way that Hoopy said it worked or in the way that I was told it worked. I am vanilla town, and BillMC claims that he has watched me for at least 2 Nights and I didn't do anything either Night. Story voted for me because he knew I attacked him even though he knows I am likely town. This is a Blockey game. Things I think are likely true. There is no scum only PFK and town. There are no powered town only vanilla and PFK. Story voted out of fear and didn't think the vote through hoping that he could bully the town into lynching me. If you remember I told story I was convinced that he was town after he said that he wondered if there were scum in the game. That's because when I got my role as vanilla town my first thought was to wonder if there were even scum in the game. I didn't take into account who else would potentially have that immediate thought, a third party. A powered townie wouldn't have that thought because the assumption of a town power role is that they are in place to fight scum. I think story is third party and that in this game third party=scum. I think that Story's vote backs me up on this. Interestingly if he hadn't voted for me I would have assumed that I had gotten some of my other assumptions wrong and that story was in fact a town power role. But the vote for me makes me think fear. vote storyteller
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Post by storyteller0910 on Feb 18, 2009 11:39:51 GMT -5
Story claimed non vanilla. Story knows I attacked him with the knife last Night. I have. I do. Obviously, the latter half of this sentence is demonstrably not true. Hoopy was killed by Night attack. [n]Hoopy[/b] could not be killed by his own knife. Obviously he had no such protection against whoever our other killer was. Obviously, that's because you decided to use the knife. Why did you do that, again? Had you held on to it and chosen not to kill, which would have been a much more pro-Town decision, you could have confirmed my account regarding what happens if you elect not to kill. This actually does give me some pause. Of course, BillMc could be lying. Though why would he do that? How the hell would I know that you are "likely Town?" I know nothing of the sort. I believe that this is correct. Interesting. So, in the paragraph above, you assume that BillMc is telling the truth about having watched you, because it suits your conclusion. But in this paragraph, you assume that there are no powered Town, and thus, that BillMc is lying. Which is it? Should we assume that you are Town because Bill claims to have watched you and is surely telling the truth, or should we assume that there are no powered Town, in which case Bill is lying about you? How do you resolve this fundamental inconsistency in your argument? Nonsense. Well, the last sentence is demonstrably untrue. I am a Town power role, but my only thought upon assuming my role was that I was in place to fight something. And here's a big question: you had said that you were convinced I was Town. And yet you targeted me to kill last Night. Why? And why not wait until toDay, when you would have been able to target me at any time during the Day? I submit that you intended me to die last Night; you then would have claimed to have not received the knife, having only the word of a bad guy against you. But I survived, so you had to alter your plan. Still doesn't change the fact that you attempted to kill a player that you said you were convinced was Town.You're reaching. I'm voting for you because you said you thought I was Town, then tried to kill me. Trying to kill Town = anti-Town, no matter how you spin and slice it. --------------- So the cryptic stuff is over. In simple Mafia terms, I am a Doctor. I have self-protected every Night, including last Night. I may nor may not continue to do so going forward. There are quirks to my role, but I will not reveal them. I am not sure that NAF is anti-Town. He may be pro-Town, but acting in a tremendously anti-Town fashion for whatever reason. But I cannot reconcile his decision to try to kill me with his statement that he was again, "convinced I was Town." And here's the thing: why did the non-knife killer target Hoopy Frood? If NAF were a non-killer himself, than the non-knife killer (whoever that was) would have had no way of knowing what would be done with the knife. Why target Hoopy and waste a kill on non-Town, when we almost surely would have lynched Hoopy toDay (given the reveal of seattleguy as third-party, which combined with Hoopy's claim made the existence of Scum entirely unlikely)? It makes no sense, unless the non-knife killer could reliably know what the knife killer would do. Which brings me back to my vote, with which I remain utterly comfortable.
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