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Day Six
May 11, 2009 16:36:51 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on May 11, 2009 16:36:51 GMT -5
Don't mess with me NAF. I've got a modkill button of my own over on Giraffeboards, ya dig?
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Day Six
May 11, 2009 16:40:31 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on May 11, 2009 16:40:31 GMT -5
Don't mess with me NAF. I've got a modkill button of my own over on Giraffeboards, ya dig? Oh, sure. Bring that into it.
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Day Six
May 11, 2009 16:41:19 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on May 11, 2009 16:41:19 GMT -5
I wish I had another pair of hands, so I could give this whole situation four thumbs down. :Looks menacingly at Tabby with his finger on the modkill button: What, you want some too? :looks around: Ok, not really. Pede's ultimate fate is still in limbo, but I wanted to take him out of play until Kat and I can pow wow. You can't lynch him, that isn't an option, and he is dead. Hey Pede, you want spoilers while we decide your fate? Yes, please.
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Day Six
May 11, 2009 16:44:47 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on May 11, 2009 16:44:47 GMT -5
Don't mess with me NAF. I've got a modkill button of my own over on Giraffeboards, ya dig? Oh, sure. Bring that into it. You mess with the kitten, you get the claws! Mraaawr!
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Day Six
May 11, 2009 16:49:24 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on May 11, 2009 16:49:24 GMT -5
vote FCoD[/color]
I feel like he's been playing quite under the radar, especially in the past couple of Days.
I'm wondering if pedescribe voted for FCoD after he realized he'd likely be modkilled, to throw us off the track with some wifom.
These are his posts from the past 3 days (well, including toDay). Day 4:
Day Five
Day Six
There's definitely content in there, but I still feel like his posting is more restrained than usual.
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Day Six
May 11, 2009 16:52:43 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on May 11, 2009 16:52:43 GMT -5
:Looks menacingly at Tabby with his finger on the modkill button: What, you want some too? :looks around: Ok, not really. Pede's ultimate fate is still in limbo, but I wanted to take him out of play until Kat and I can pow wow. You can't lynch him, that isn't an option, and he is dead. Hey Pede, you want spoilers while we decide your fate? Yes, please. Commin attcha.
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Day Six
May 11, 2009 19:35:15 GMT -5
Post by Almost Human on May 11, 2009 19:35:15 GMT -5
Weird turns of events today. I'm flummoxed by pedescribe basically suiciding. I have to think he did it for a reason but I'm not sure what that reason could be if he were town. Mind you I can't think of a reason if he were scum or temple either. Nevertheless, it seemed purposeful so there must be a motive behind it. One thing that results from his suicide is there's a good chance we won't get to find out his allignment till the game's over depending on how NAF/Kat decide to play this. Why would pede want to hide his allignment? The only thing I can think of is there's another group we're unaware of but that seems too far fetched even to my paranoid brain. It was pretty likely he was going to be lynched today though so that's the best I've got. Anyway - all WIFOM. So now I need to find someone else to vote for and it isn't easy! Nanook and Paul are out of the picture as I'm going to assume they're town pending any new information. So that leaves Bill, FCOD, shaggy and bufftabby. Shaggy was the only player yesterday who did any real analysis of MHaye and Nanook so I'm inclined to, not flat out trust him, but certainly not vote for him today. Bill also voted MHaye. I've found him scummy in previous post but he did make the right call yesterday. Back burner for him. That leaves FCOD and bufftabby who both voted for nanook yesterday. Buff's case against FCOD: <font style="font-size: 12px;"> vote FCoDI feel like he's been playing quite under the radar, especially in the past couple of Days. I'm wondering if pedescribe voted for FCoD after he realized he'd likely be modkilled, to throw us off the track with some wifom. These are his posts from the past 3 days (well, including toDay). Day 4: Day Five Day Six There's definitely content in there, but I still feel like his posting is more restrained than usual. All you've really said is he's more restrained than usual, and while that may not be wrong, it isn't much of a case. And this part: well that's exactly what it is - WIFOM. <font style="font-size: 12px;">Ah, well, that certainly solves a quandry of my own. Hmm, what to say for myself? Well, I'm not an Alien. I can't win with the Aliens. I can only win with Town. Oh, yeah, and I'm a Temple member. Let's see if I can answer some questions. Why was Cap Pinkie allowed to post his PM? That means it was fake, right? You know, that's a great question. In fact, I would have voted for him based on that if I had come back in time. As our leader, I suspect the good Captain had a win condition of his own. I was the first to post my PM in the temple thread, and that's definitely my wincon that's posted, and I suspect Sundry's as well. He was very suspicious of total lost the Night she died, and I've wondered since then if he was up to something. Can't you win with the Aliens? No, *all* Temple members would have needed to be recruited for that to happen, and sundry's death Night One makes that impossible. Why didn't you say anything before now? this is a pretty difficult role to defend, and I've only regained my constant internet access as of Friday. Claim Temple, then disappear? Oh yes, that would work out great. Any more questions? I'm guessing yes. This. Rings false to me. If Cap lied about his wincon what possible reason is there to believe you're telling the truth about yours? You may not be scum but you're not town either technically and I'm really doubtful you're on the town side. Also this part of your post: makes my eyebrows raise. You were the one pouring suspicion on Total Lost. You thought her and Paul were scumbuddies. I don't deny I bought into that theory - it was pretty convincing. Your suspicion of Total isn't what makes me suspicious of you but your claiming to be suspicious of Cap because of his suspicion of Total does. Your vote's on record for her right here: Final vote count: Mr. Special Ed (7) - Idle, Total Lost, FCoD, pede, MHaye, BillMC, MiteyMouse Idle Thoughts (3) – hawkeye, Special Ed, Shaggy KidV (2) - Pollux, Paul BillMc (1) – moodymitchy Hawkeyeop (1) – Captain Pinkies Nanook (1) - Chucara paulwhoisaghost (2) – KidV, AH Pedescribe (1) – Nanook Total Lost (1) - Bufftabby So yeah, out of the two of you I'd far rather vote for someone I know isn't town. vote bufftabby
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Day Six
May 11, 2009 19:35:53 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on May 11, 2009 19:35:53 GMT -5
So no death reveal on pedescribe then?
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Day Six
May 11, 2009 19:42:33 GMT -5
Post by shaggy on May 11, 2009 19:42:33 GMT -5
So I went back and the first 2 I decided to look at were AH and FCOD . I gotta say AH I am not really seeing anything eye brow raising. There were one thing that kinda caught me to be odd, but I think it is just me, and not really anything. You have vocalized being suspicious of paul and bill really on the whole that is it. So not many, but let's be honest, that is not exactly anything worth getting up and arms over. So really I am not to suspicious of you at all. FCOD I would say first there is my point's from the other day when I voted him, combined with the huge amount of fluff. Then there is a few posts such as these: psychopathgames.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=wat&action=display&thread=869&page=2#45499Feels hawk need to pay for yesterday, which i am sorry but something does not sit right with me about that. MODS dole out payment/punishment not players. So this just seems a little over the top of a reaction to me. People make mistakes and making them "pay" for it, will next help them get better to me. psychopathgames.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=wat&action=display&thread=909&page=2#46132Unvotes paul and votes cap because i assume he must therefore trust nanook and therefore does not want to lynch paul . psychopathgames.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=wat&action=display&thread=919&page=1#46324Distrusts nanook so he votes him, which is odd, cause you trusted him yesterday and did not vote paul but this day you did not, and therefore did not want to vote mhaye . Something just seems off about this to me. Why trust him, one day and yet the next not? just seems odd to me. Well I am now going to reread post by post, one or 2 more people. And see if anything jumps out at me for them. Still got time so I am in no rush to vote, I want to take my time, and make sure I read and reread everyone's posting, to decide whom I think is the most scummiest.
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Day Six
May 11, 2009 20:03:43 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on May 11, 2009 20:03:43 GMT -5
All you've really said is he's more restrained than usual, and while that may not be wrong, it isn't much of a case. Then don't vote for him. But he's the most suspicious person I see right now. Well, yes, that is exactly what it is. That's my point. Glad to see you agree. You'll notice that I referred to Cap's suspicions that Night, so in the Temple thread. Our PM does not specify that we know we can trust one another, so of course I've not considered any of my Templemates as necessarily confirmed, particularly our leader Cap. Our discussion of Total Lost followed immediately by her death made me wonder further. When he posted his PM as he did in the Temple thread, and didn't face any consequences, my suspicions were basically confirmed.
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Day Six
May 11, 2009 20:16:59 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on May 11, 2009 20:16:59 GMT -5
So no death reveal on pedescribe then? Maybe later.
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Day Six
May 12, 2009 8:47:12 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on May 12, 2009 8:47:12 GMT -5
I don't even understand what Ped was pulling. Until we at least find out his alignment/role, I think we just ignore him and go on.
I can understand the desire to lynch Bufftabby. The Temple are not designated Town upon death, and they are able to win with Scum by their own admission. But I really don't think this is the time to do so. Who cares if she can maybe win with Scum when there are scum still out there? We can lynch her later if necessary.
It seems to me that the voting surronding Mhaye and I is the key moment in this game. Looking at it from my persepctive, we have 1 known scum voting for me along with 1 unknown and 1 Temple(ignoring Ped as above). On the other hand, voting for Mhaye is 3 confirmed Town, myself, Paul and KidV, plus 2 unknowns. I think this was the moment that the scum lost control of the game. If they had lynched me, the game perhaps would have ended, and even if it hadn't we would have been in far worse shape. As such, I fully believe the scum would have piled on as much as they could to try and take it home right then and there.
Looking at the way it all went down, what Shaggy said above is what bugs me about it too. FCOD was perfectly willing to accept my investigation of Paul and switch his vote, but he didn't trust me when it came to MHaye. Why? Because he knew I was right about both, being an Alien himself, and didn't want MHaye to die. Especially if he could take out the detective in the process.
Vote: FCOD
As an aside, I still want to know what the deal with the PI is. A watcher or tracker maybe, ala the type of PI that follows cheating husbands? I dunno. I suppose I'll have to wait until death/game end to find out.
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Day Six
May 12, 2009 9:16:11 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on May 12, 2009 9:16:11 GMT -5
I don't even understand what Ped was pulling. Until we at least find out his alignment/role, I think we just ignore him and go on. I can understand the desire to lynch Bufftabby. The Temple are not designated Town upon death, and they are able to win with Scum by their own admission. But I really don't think this is the time to do so. Who cares if she can maybe win with Scum when there are scum still out there? We can lynch her later if necessary. It seems to me that the voting surronding Mhaye and I is the key moment in this game. Looking at it from my persepctive, we have 1 known scum voting for me along with 1 unknown and 1 Temple(ignoring Ped as above). On the other hand, voting for Mhaye is 3 confirmed Town, myself, Paul and KidV, plus 2 unknowns. I think this was the moment that the scum lost control of the game. If they had lynched me, the game perhaps would have ended, and even if it hadn't we would have been in far worse shape. As such, I fully believe the scum would have piled on as much as they could to try and take it home right then and there. Looking at the way it all went down, what Shaggy said above is what bugs me about it too. FCOD was perfectly willing to accept my investigation of Paul and switch his vote, but he didn't trust me when it came to MHaye. Why? Because he knew I was right about both, being an Alien himself, and didn't want MHaye to die. Especially if he could take out the detective in the process. Vote: FCOD As an aside, I still want to know what the deal with the PI is. A watcher or tracker maybe, ala the type of PI that follows cheating husbands? I dunno. I suppose I'll have to wait until death/game end to find out. Just hold one one minute...let's review what happened. Paul was gonna die, so you claimed investigator and said he is vanilla. Since it's usually best to give a claimed investigator a shot, we lynched Cap instead. That turned out OK, since he wasn't town and it's still unknown what his wincon was. I'll point out that YOU didn't vote for him. That night, there was no kill. Interesting. Next day, you come out saying MHaye is an alien, let's kill him. Turns out you were right. Good for you, seems pretty clear you're town at this point, right? I say no. Why did you investigate MHaye instead of Pedescribe, the person you were so suspicious of? Here's what I think happened: You are scum, and since our real investigator, the PI, is dead, you thought you would try to take the place of a second Town investigator. It was risky, but you almost pulled it off. First, you guessed that Paul is vanilla, planning to kill him that night to "confirm" yourself. Then, when your nightkill failed (maybe Paul was protected, maybe there's some other mechanic in place that prevented you from killing him) you realized that you had to change your plan a little...you bussed MHaye, a fellow Alien, so that you would come out looking quite the hero. I don't know why KidV was the target last night, but it doesn't matter. Then, you say you have investigation results on Bufftabby, but YOU MAKE HER CLAIM FIRST!!! How perfect is that? Not only does that make you seem right, but you had no risk of guessing wrong! Well played, my friend. Again, why did you not "investigate" pedescribe? Perhaps because you didn't have such a good read on him? You probably hoped we would lynch him instead of Cap, but since we didn't you had to just take a chance that we wouldn't harp on the fact that you didn't investigate the person you were most suspicious of. I don't know where the whole editing/suicide thing fits in, but the rest of it makes perfect sense to me. You are scummy scummy scummy Vote: Nanook . --FCOD
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Day Six
May 12, 2009 9:19:30 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on May 12, 2009 9:19:30 GMT -5
I wish I bolded it, because I can't stress how SCUMMY it is that you pushed bufftabby into a claim BEFORE giving your "results."
--FCOD
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Day Six
May 12, 2009 9:46:23 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on May 12, 2009 9:46:23 GMT -5
I dunno FCoD.... you still think that Nanook bussed MHaye? I mean... I've seen scum bus scum before.... but not when the scum being bussed had almost 0 suspicion. I guess it makes sense as a play to keep Nanook alive if Nanook is an important scum role....
I need more time to figure out who I find suspicious now that Pede has been modkilled. Oh... about that. I'm pretty sure that Pede was town. His move to get modkilled seems way too intentional. Why would he want to be modkilled? He said himself that he messed up his play this game and that he felt bad because he completely understands why we would see him as scum. Knowing that we were likely to spend the rest of the Day arguing about him and discussion would go no where he opted for the modkill to force us to try to find scum without wasting our lynch. This is further supported by NAF saying that he almost took away our lynch for the Day. So yeah... no definite reveal.... but I'm gonna continue thinking he is town.
So I'll have to look a little closer at FCoD, because I don't know why else Pede would have voted him.
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Day Six
May 12, 2009 9:49:39 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on May 12, 2009 9:49:39 GMT -5
Wait, you think he's vanilla, but then you think that he voted for me based upon something he knows?
How does that add up? If he's vanilla, he can't know anything about me. If he's not vanilla, why would he commit modicide like you suggest?
I think Nanook bussing MHaye is perfect BECAUSE he wasn't under suspicion. It makes him seem even more genuine. I admit that it is a very risky gambit.
And pede? If you did in fact intentionally break the rules as a strategy, that is just plain shitty and as far as I'm concerned, cheating. I hope you will explain what happened.
--FCOD
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Day Six
May 12, 2009 10:40:20 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on May 12, 2009 10:40:20 GMT -5
FCOD, you're slinging the exact same bullshit that Mhaye was. It was weak then and it's weak now.
Been over this, repeatedly. I've stated exactly what I believe is the situation with the Temple multiple times. And I'll point out that I DID vote for him, prior to his claim.
Interesting indeed. The most likely answer is I'm telling the truth, and the scum took a shot at me and failed. But you knew that, since we all discussed this ad nauseum Yesterday.
I came up with a Temple result. Do you really think it would be a good idea for me to come charging in here and trumpeting to the Heavens that she was Temple? The same Temple you just got done pointing out that we don't know the win condition of? I do not believe lynching Temple is the correct play for us Today, so it wasn't the same as finding scum. But since there is a question regarding who's side their on, it also wasn't the same as finding Town. Do you really think if I had found a Town result on her I would have made her claim? That's stupid, and I know you aren't stupid. I would hope you don't think I am either.
Why in god's name would I investigate the person I am most suspicious of? The Detective's job is to confirm Town, not to find scum. Yeah, the latter happens, see Mhaye, but I'm not going to try and find one. Could I have been wrong? I suppose, but even so, he wasn't doing anything to help Town even if he was one.
So your argument against me is a bunch of things we've already discussed, combined with this argument that not immediately calling out Buff as Temple being scummy as hell. Like I said before, the same bullshit Mhaye was slinging more or less.
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Day Six
May 12, 2009 10:46:49 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on May 12, 2009 10:46:49 GMT -5
You can dismiss it as bullshit if you want, but that's not really a defense.
Yes, I do think it would have been wise for you to reveal your result BEFORE, you know, the person claimed. Guess what? I'm a third investigator! Bufftabby is temple, KidV is town, and MHaye is an alien! I investigated them, really!
Why would you investigate the person you were most suspicious of? Hm, maybe because you failed to get them lynched once, then they survived the night. I would disagree with you on the specific goals of the investigator role. Normally it's not a good idea to rely on Town results as there could be a Godfather. However, if you get a non-Town result, it's probably ok to lynch that person. So yes, after failing to get him lynched you should have investigated him, it could have confirmed your suspicion.
Of course, you didn't because you already knew he was town and you wouldn't be able to push for his lynch afterwards.
--FCOD
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Day Six
May 12, 2009 11:35:09 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on May 12, 2009 11:35:09 GMT -5
It's not much of a defense, because it's not much of an argument. It's the same things that Mhaye brought up Yesterday, which I already defended against. The rest of your stuff is a disagreement on how the Detective should work. You believe what you want to believe about the role, and I'll believe what I want to. Since I'm the one with the role in this game, you'll pardon me if I follow my own set of beliefs instead of yours. Of course, you didn't because you already knew he was town and you wouldn't be able to push for his lynch afterwards. --FCOD So which is it then? Am I a lying scum? Or am I the detective? This argument you seem to be trying to have it both ways. I'm a lying scum detective maybe? Maybe I had to investigate to find out who my scumbuddies were? But wait, you think I bussed Mhaye for Town cred. So then why couldn't I push a Ped lynch if I knew he was Town? Gah, trying to follow your logic here makes my head hurt.
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Day Six
May 12, 2009 11:45:15 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on May 12, 2009 11:45:15 GMT -5
No, you misunderstand me. If you are scum pretending to be a cop, you want to lynch pedescribe because he's not scum. You pushed for his lynch. Since he didn't get lynched, you had a choice: claim to have investigated him, or claim to have investigated someone else. If you pretended to investigate pede and said he was town, you couldn't push to lynch him anymore. If you pretended he was an alien, you'd be killed immediately when we lynched pede and he came back town.
My argument overall is a good one. Let's review the data points again.
*We KNOW the town had an investigator in the deceased PI. It's possible we have two town investigators, but I find it unlikely. *You claim to have investigated Paul, confirming his claim of vanilla. Big deal, anyone could do that. *You claim to have investigated MHaye, claiming he is an alien, and he was. Obviously a fellow alien would know this, and you would have a reason to do. *You claim to have investigated bufftabby, but you don't reveal your result until she claims first.
So, every time you reveal information, it's either information the aliens would already know or something that has already been posted in the game thread.
Sorry, but if you actually are a cop you made some terrible decisions.
--FCOD
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Day Six
May 12, 2009 14:03:51 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on May 12, 2009 14:03:51 GMT -5
Hmmmm FCOD makes a really good case.
The more I think about it.... the more I think he is right. I thought KidV was alien... and that Pede was alien.... and I'm pretty sure I was wrong about both of them. Our numbers are dwindling down, and somewhere in there are some aliens.... I think that Nanook's chosen hiding place is a really good one, and a very successful false claim... My hat goes off to him, but I can't allow myself to be fooled just because he "confirmed" me.... not when everything I find logical points to him lying.
Vote: Nanook
Also, FCOD, I was toying with the idea that Bufftabby might also be scum that Nanook set up to claim Temple. Problem with this theory is that they would have to know that all the Temple were dead for it to work... Do you think it probable?
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Day Six
May 12, 2009 14:07:05 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on May 12, 2009 14:07:05 GMT -5
Let me start by saying you are being incredibly insulting towards me right now. But that's ok because I think I get what's going on now.
I was leaning towards thinking Ped was Town that just had a totally off game, and killed himself out of frustration. But I've changed my mind on that point. I think now that he was actually the Alien Godfather, and that's why you and he were so hot for me to have investigated him. You're angry because you thought you had gotten the investigator dead, but here I am still alive and kicking, and there's probably a doctor out there still too. This game was looking like it was going to be a walk for the Aliens, and now it's flipped around completely. This is leading to frustration, which caused Ped to suicide and you to lash at out me, basically calling me a bad player. I can understand the frustration, but I'm done responding to your thinly veiled insults.
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Day Six
May 12, 2009 14:26:37 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on May 12, 2009 14:26:37 GMT -5
*sigh* I guess I'm not done with you after all, since it seems people are buying your bullshit.
I note, that once AGAIN, there isn't a single claim that I did something scummy. Once AGAIN, the only argument being put forth against me is that my role doesn't work. Just something to ponder.
No, we KNOW that a Town Aligned Private Investigator died. We do not KNOW what that role means. NAFKat declined to provide more details. What was he investigating? Roles? Alignments? Actions? Don't know. He could be a watcher, a tracker, a back up detective, a beat cop, an insane cop, a hundred other things. But of course, saying that he was an investigator furthers your goal, so you choose that one.
Wrong. There are only two types of people who could do that. A scum(who wouldn't be able to say for sure that he was vanilla, there's nothing stopping him from lying about that part) and a detective. I say I'm the latter.
Nice to leave out the part that a Detective could also know that, and would have a reason to say when outted. Your hypothesis that I bussed him for Town credit is, once again, stupid. The timing DOES NOT WORK for a bussing. There were NO dead Aliens at that point. Mhaye was under exactly ZERO heat from anyone. Sure, that would perhaps be the best person to bus for cred, but there's no reason to bus ANYONE for cred when there's no one dead and a town that's divided all over the place. Furthermore, if we accept the proposition that I am an Alien, then I would know that the PI was this games detective equivalent, and would fully expect to get massive amounts of heat if I tried to claim investigator. Both of which majorly defeat the purpose of bussing for cred.
So how did I know that Bufftabby was Temple? Lucky guess? She obviously knew exactly what I was getting at with my question.
Let's assume you're right, I'm an alien. Why the hell would I take a risk like that? What if she were say, Vanilla Town instead. I ask that question, and she answers with a no, not really anything special. Do I then say she's Vanilla Town and pray I'm right? What if she's the Doctor instead? Any which way you cut it, it would be a stupid, stupid move to make as scum.
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Day Six
May 12, 2009 14:48:53 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on May 12, 2009 14:48:53 GMT -5
Let me start by saying you are being incredibly insulting towards me right now. But that's ok because I think I get what's going on now. I was leaning towards thinking Ped was Town that just had a totally off game, and killed himself out of frustration. But I've changed my mind on that point. I think now that he was actually the Alien Godfather, and that's why you and he were so hot for me to have investigated him. You're angry because you thought you had gotten the investigator dead, but here I am still alive and kicking, and there's probably a doctor out there still too. This game was looking like it was going to be a walk for the Aliens, and now it's flipped around completely. This is leading to frustration, which caused Ped to suicide and you to lash at out me, basically calling me a bad player. I can understand the frustration, but I'm done responding to your thinly veiled insults. What did I say that was insulting? That you made bad decisions if you are in fact a cop? That's not an insult, that's my opinion. If you really are a cop, the timing of your reveals was horrible, and thus bad. I note, that once AGAIN, there isn't a single claim that I did something scummy. Yes there is, see my previous post. Once AGAIN, the only argument being put forth against me is that my role doesn't work. Just something to ponder. Except the points that I made in my previous post. No, we KNOW that a Town Aligned Private Investigator died. We do not KNOW what that role means. NAFKat declined to provide more details. What was he investigating? Roles? Alignments? Actions? Don't know. He could be a watcher, a tracker, a back up detective, a beat cop, an insane cop, a hundred other things. But of course, saying that he was an investigator furthers your goal, so you choose that one. Well, besides the fact that the role name contains "investigator" I guess this could be true. That why I admit the possibility that there are two investigative roles and add my opinion that it's unlikely. Wrong. There are only two types of people who could do that. A scum(who wouldn't be able to say for sure that he was vanilla, there's nothing stopping him from lying about that part) and a detective. I say I'm the latter. Actually, not entirely correct. Only Paul and possibly a cop knows his true role. Anyone else would have to guess. Of course, it's not that much of a gamble since vanilla claims are most likely truthful. Nice to leave out the part that a Detective could also know that, and would have a reason to say when outted. Why would I include obvious facts that are against my argument? I'm trying to prove your guilt, not defend you. Your hypothesis that I bussed him for Town credit is, once again, stupid. Wait, who's the insulting one again? The timing DOES NOT WORK for a bussing. There were NO dead Aliens at that point. Mhaye was under exactly ZERO heat from anyone. Sure, that would perhaps be the best person to bus for cred, but there's no reason to bus ANYONE for cred when there's no one dead and a town that's divided all over the place. Furthermore, if we accept the proposition that I am an Alien, then I would know that the PI was this games detective equivalent, and would fully expect to get massive amounts of heat if I tried to claim investigator. Both of which majorly defeat the purpose of bussing for cred. Sure, the bussing gambit would be bold and daring at that point of the game, but certainly it would have locked down a win if successful. I've seen a lot riskier gambits. Again, it was risky. Guessing Paul's role, not so much. Assuming that the PI was the only investigative role, a little more. Overall, I think the risk was worth the amount of cred you stood to gain. So how did I know that Bufftabby was Temple? Lucky guess? She obviously knew exactly what I was getting at with my question. We don't know that you knew that. All you did was say that you investigated someone and pushed bufftabby into claiming. This is why I say you made a poor decision...you could easily have confirmed your claim right there if you had said bufftabby was in the Temple before she did. But you didn't, and since that is such a bad move I'm forced to think you didn't actually know her alignment, you just had a hunch. Let's assume you're right, I'm an alien. Why the hell would I take a risk like that? What if she were say, Vanilla Town instead. I ask that question, and she answers with a no, not really anything special. Do I then say she's Vanilla Town and pray I'm right? What if she's the Doctor instead? Any which way you cut it, it would be a stupid, stupid move to make as scum. We haven't forgotten that you probably have scum buddies to have helped you plan this out. I'm guessing you all had a hunch about bufftabby and you took a risk. Worst case, you would easily have sacrificed yourself to have gotten her lynched toDay. At least you're defending yourself a little better now, but it still doesn't add up the way you're putting it. You didn't investigate the person you were suspicious of, you still haven't revealed anything to confirm that you're a cop, and you accuse me of being insulting and then call me stupid. It sounds to me like you're desperately trying to save your ass. --FCOD
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Day Six
May 12, 2009 14:59:45 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on May 12, 2009 14:59:45 GMT -5
I should have stuck with my original plan of ignoring you. I'm getting more and more upset and angry reading this. I'm walking away now before I pull a Ped.
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Day Six
May 12, 2009 15:02:13 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on May 12, 2009 15:02:13 GMT -5
I'm sorry if I'm pissing you off, I'm really not trying to.
--FCOD
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Day Six
May 12, 2009 20:52:51 GMT -5
Post by shaggy on May 12, 2009 20:52:51 GMT -5
Hey all, So Now FCOD is claiming investigator? wow, this is getting intersting. On his post hich is this: You can dismiss it as bullshit if you want, but that's not really a defense. Yes, I do think it would have been wise for you to reveal your result BEFORE, you know, the person claimed. Guess what? I'm a third investigator! Bufftabby is temple, KidV is town, and MHaye is an alien! I investigated them, really! Why would you investigate the person you were most suspicious of? Hm, maybe because you failed to get them lynched once, then they survived the night. I would disagree with you on the specific goals of the investigator role. Normally it's not a good idea to rely on Town results as there could be a Godfather. However, if you get a non-Town result, it's probably ok to lynch that person. So yes, after failing to get him lynched you should have investigated him, it could have confirmed your suspicion. Of course, you didn't because you already knew he was town and you wouldn't be able to push for his lynch afterwards. --FCOD Now I do find myself wanting to ask here, were they the the only 3 you investigated? As well what night's did you investigate them? Since I have to say first it is intersting that the 3 you say, are ones that are already out there, so no new info that you could not have already read and say to us. Also then are there 2 nights you did not investigate? kinda seems odd not use your power one or more nights. Seconed if you had investigated mhaye and also got alien, then why not vote for her yourself? Or try and raise supicioun on her for us to vote her? Since I have not seen anywhere you vote or say your suspicious of mhaye yet would you not be, if you found her to be alien? Same goes with the temple memebers if you think they can not help town then why not vote buff or raise supicioun on her before now? Now I have no idea if you are or are not, a investigator but I do have to say, this claim just seems odd. Since call me stupid but sitting for a day or more on knowing who an alien is, to me seems verry anti-town. Which I assume by this claim, unless you investigated a dead person last night, would mean you knew all last day and possibly longer, that mhaye was an alien. I just don't see how that is good for us. how is with holding that info pro-town? I said before I do not like voting a claimed investigator but with enough reason I see that sometimes it is the right choice. And with my last post and suspicion on you and now this, I am sorry if I am wrong and dumb but I vote FCOD I am sorry for this, and hope I am making the right choice here.
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Day Six
May 12, 2009 21:29:08 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on May 12, 2009 21:29:08 GMT -5
Hey all, So Now FCOD is claiming investigator? wow, this is getting intersting. On his post hich is this: Now I do find myself wanting to ask here, were they the the only 3 you investigated? As well what night's did you investigate them? Since I have to say first it is intersting that the 3 you say, are ones that are already out there, so no new info that you could not have already read and say to us. Also then are there 2 nights you did not investigate? kinda seems odd not use your power one or more nights. Seconed if you had investigated mhaye and also got alien, then why not vote for her yourself? Or try and raise supicioun on her for us to vote her? Since I have not seen anywhere you vote or say your suspicious of mhaye yet would you not be, if you found her to be alien? Same goes with the temple memebers if you think they can not help town then why not vote buff or raise supicioun on her before now? Now I have no idea if you are or are not, a investigator but I do have to say, this claim just seems odd. Since call me stupid but sitting for a day or more on knowing who an alien is, to me seems verry anti-town. Which I assume by this claim, unless you investigated a dead person last night, would mean you knew all last day and possibly longer, that mhaye was an alien. I just don't see how that is good for us. how is with holding that info pro-town? I said before I do not like voting a claimed investigator but with enough reason I see that sometimes it is the right choice. And with my last post and suspicion on you and now this, I am sorry if I am wrong and dumb but I vote FCOD I am sorry for this, and hope I am making the right choice here. I wasn't actually claiming investigator...I was trying to illustrate how the results I "claimed" were meaningless because they were already put into public knowledge before I claimed them. --FCOD
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Day Six
May 12, 2009 23:24:02 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on May 12, 2009 23:24:02 GMT -5
0_o I understand that.... why did you miss the obvious irony in it Shaggy?
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Day Six
May 13, 2009 7:08:21 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on May 13, 2009 7:08:21 GMT -5
13 hour 52 minute warning!
FCOD (3) – bufftabby, Nanook, shaggy Bufftabby (1) – AH Nanook (1) – paul
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