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Post by The Real FCOD on Jul 1, 2009 18:00:40 GMT -5
BURNED!
lol.
--FCOD
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Post by special on Jul 1, 2009 18:02:59 GMT -5
yeah, um, obviously I don't remember those. I did go back and check the rules though, and when I didn't see it at all on the first few pages, I decided to post.
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Post by Total Ullz on Jul 2, 2009 14:46:32 GMT -5
yeah, um, obviously I don't remember those. I did go back and check the rules though, and when I didn't see it at all on the first few pages, I decided to post. Sorry - I never thought anyone would think Nights in a game of mine was anything but fluff I'll add to the rules
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Post by special on Jul 2, 2009 16:56:00 GMT -5
Sorry - I never thought anyone would think Nights in a game of mine was anything but fluff I'll add to the rules yeah, um, obviously I don't remember those. I did go back and check the rules though, and when I didn't see it at all on the first few pages, I decided to post. Thank you, and you have my humblest apologies for not-fluffing.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Jul 2, 2009 18:31:39 GMT -5
Fluff, fluff, fluff. Fluffernutter.
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Post by Total Ullz on Jul 3, 2009 2:36:43 GMT -5
Thank you, and you have my humblest apologies for not-fluffing. You know I want more form you than just humble apologies - soemthing to do with goats and a locked bathroom
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Post by Total Ullz on Jul 3, 2009 3:00:50 GMT -5
Good morning everyone - hope you liked the Night.
And so sorry to have to inform you all, that
Special Ed, aka vanilla Town, is dead
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Post by Total Ullz on Jul 3, 2009 3:07:03 GMT -5
Day 3 will end Tuesday July 7 8pm Danish time
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jul 3, 2009 13:03:50 GMT -5
It's been quiet today. I wonder if this is due to the US being on holiday again?
Lazy bunch.
Total, you might want to think about extending the Day by 24 hours, as I think they'll all be afk for a while.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Jul 3, 2009 14:53:37 GMT -5
Hey! I'm not lazy! I'm. . . too lazy to come up with a way to finish this sentence. I'm lazy. I'm trying to see if I can celebrate the 4th of July entirely from the couch.
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Post by texcat on Jul 3, 2009 15:07:39 GMT -5
Well, I see my theory of Special Ed and FCOD being the 2 scum is totally wrong. So far we have Jaade, BillMc, and Ed all vanilla townies. And FCOD claiming to be the cop.
And FCOD lives through the night. So either we have a doc to protect him, or FCOD is lying.
There are 6 of us left alive and it looks like 2 mafia, a doc, a cop, and 2 vanilla townies. Or, 2 mafia, a doc, and 3 vanilla townies. Anybody know who's who?
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Post by metallicsquink on Jul 3, 2009 18:05:35 GMT -5
I've been going over everything that happened at the end of Day 2 and I'm still a little suspicious of FCoD. As I stated at the end of the Day, his cop claim could just be a trick. And in reading back over posts from Day 1 and Day 2, I realized that texcat said something very interesting in her post 242: she said that she is voting for FCoD and if he turns out to be scum, then Ed is next on her list (since she suspected them of being scum buddies). And now Special Ed is dead and confirmed Town. So if I were FCoD and I were scum, Special Ed is exactly who I'd kill because players like texcat might now think FCoD is not scum.
Plus, FCoD said in post 256 that causing a tie would look scummy: “I probably still would have claimed rather than save myself by creating a tie. I'd look pretty scummy if I did that, and I'd rather get at least one investigation out there so you'll have some confirmed when I die eventually”. But in his very next post causes the tie. And again, the investigation that he posted was of me confirming that I am town which he could know because he's the cop or because he's scum.
The only lingering doubt here is that no one has counter-claimed to be the cop so either FCoD is telling the truth or we don't actually have a cop at all which, of course, FCoD would know if he were scum.
I'm sure I'm making myself look scummy by thinking the scummiest person is the one who has claimed a power role but again, I don't think we should believe everyone who claims.
Vote: FCoD[/color]
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Post by metallicsquink on Jul 3, 2009 18:22:09 GMT -5
Well, I see my theory of Special Ed and FCOD being the 2 scum is totally wrong. So far we have Jaade, BillMc, and Ed all vanilla townies. And FCOD claiming to be the cop. And FCOD lives through the night. So either we have a doc to protect him, or FCOD is lying. There are 6 of us left alive and it looks like 2 mafia, a doc, a cop, and 2 vanilla townies. Or, 2 mafia, a doc, and 3 vanilla townies. Anybody know who's who? Don't you mean "2 mafia, a cop, and 3 vanilla townies" as one of the possibilities (assuming FCoD is telling the truth)? Here are some other possibilities: 1. FCoD is lying (like you said) and we don't even have a cop in this game. 2. FCoD is lying and the real cop is out there and hasn't claimed 3. FCoD is not lying and and we do also have a doc who did protect FCoD last Night but FCoD wasn't the target 4. FCoD is not lying, we don't have a doc and again, FCoD wasn't a target last Night Reading back through these, it doesn't seem like having a doc would have had much effect on what happened (or not) to FCoD last Night. I think it's suspicious that the scum would not have killed a claimed power role. Unless they didn't want to kill FCoD because if he were the cop, it would have confirmed my alignment as well and that leaves fewer places for them to hide. Or he wasn't killed because he's scum.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Jul 3, 2009 20:36:58 GMT -5
FCoD is not the cop. He's Scum. and Scum have a roleblocker.
I know this because I am the cop. Of course, the Scum killed the one person I managed to successfully investigate (Special Ed). And I strongly suspect that Scum roleblocked me last night because I haven't been very active, they had a roleblocker so they knew that Town had a cop, and no one counterclaimed FCoD, which pretty much left me.
I am not happy about this, but we need Scum and we need them now.
vote FCoD
And Squink, I'm actually rather suspicious of yours and FCOD's circus act yesterDay.
Finally, here's what I predict: Scum will use my late claim to try and make it seem as though I am Scum, rather than Town Cop, and that's why Squink opened with a vote for FCoD, just in case she gets lynched.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Jul 3, 2009 21:07:29 GMT -5
First of all, squink, I realized that if I didn't force the tie I'd be just letting myself die for no good reason. You even condoned the act yesterday, now you think it's scummy? That's kinda weird.
Now, on to the counter-claim. Although it's kinda suspicious that you don't actually have any investigation results, how do you know there's a roleblocker? I didn't see any doctors claiming. Or, are you in the scum and just making a slip? If you're telling the truth, how would the scum know to block you? That's a pretty big coincidence.
I investigated texcat, and she is town. I urge you to be careful, killing me toDay will put us a 4/2. Of course, you'll be able to kill Sister Coyote tomorrow and it will be 3/1, but then there will only be one more chance to lynch correctly. Or we lose.
--FCOD
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Post by Inner Stickler on Jul 3, 2009 23:40:41 GMT -5
I wish Special Ed were still here.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Jul 4, 2009 0:03:52 GMT -5
If you're telling the truth then there are only three places the scum could hide. Sister Coyote, Mhaye, and me. And if you're legit, then we know Sister Coyote is scum which leaves only Mhaye and me to accuse the other of being scum. Town's been in worse places. That being said, I find this very interesting. First of all, squink, I realized that if I didn't force the tie I'd be just letting myself die for no good reason. You even condoned the act yesterday, now you think it's scummy? That's kinda weird. Yesterday, you said: I didn't vote for squink because I know he's town. I know this because I'm the cop and he was my target last night.--FCOD Do you not trust your own investigations? What's with the smudging?
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Post by Inner Stickler on Jul 4, 2009 0:04:48 GMT -5
Screw it.
Vote: FCoD
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Post by Inner Stickler on Jul 4, 2009 0:25:15 GMT -5
Sorry for the plethora of posts. I'm having difficulty making all my thoughts in one post. If there's a doc, then the scum have a roleblocker. They get two night actions: an NK and a roleblock. Special Ed was the lucky recipient of the NK night action. So that leaves the roleblock. There are only two town roles with night actions and the doc has not claimed. The scum might be suspicious but they don't know. Why would they spend a night action on a possibility when they could use it on a sure thing? Especially something as dangerous to them as an investigation. If there's a roleblocker, FCoD should not have gotten an investigation result last Night.
On the flip side, if there is no doc and the scum don't have a roleblocker, they would have only one night action and no barriers to block them. So FCoD should have died last night.
In summation, your purported investigation of texcat is pinging my scumdar.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Jul 4, 2009 2:15:06 GMT -5
No slip; I know for a fact that there is a roleblocker. I could see and hear nothing last night.
I never said I got no results; I said I only got a result Night One that Ed was Town.
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Post by metallicsquink on Jul 4, 2009 8:26:08 GMT -5
And Squink, I'm actually rather suspicious of yours and FCOD's circus act yesterDay. Finally, here's what I predict: Scum will use my late claim to try and make it seem as though I am Scum, rather than Town Cop, and that's why Squink opened with a vote for FCoD, just in case she gets lynched. I understand that mine and FCoD's interactions at the end of yesterDay did seem strange but he made a claim with only a few hours left. I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. ToDay, however, with Special Ed dead and texcat's previous comments about her suspicions of Ed and FCoD being in cahoots made me think Ed was a clever kill by the scum FCoD. So I did change my mind about FCoD overNight but it is related to Ed being killed as well as doing some thinking. I just didn't want to rashly change my vote yesterDay and lynch FCoD on the offchance that he really is the cop. ToDay, however, I don't believe the claim. I don't understand your last comment. Are you saying that I voted for FCoD and that I'm actually scum, i.e, that I am throwing FCoD under the bus?
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Post by metallicsquink on Jul 4, 2009 8:30:39 GMT -5
First of all, squink, I realized that if I didn't force the tie I'd be just letting myself die for no good reason. You even condoned the act yesterday, now you think it's scummy? That's kinda weird. True, I did agree that this was a good idea yesterDay. But as I said at the end of yesterDay in my post 262, I was slightly suspicious myself of the whole thing because even yesterDay I did think you might be lying. As much as I don't want to fully trust a claim, I don't want to completely dismiss it either. Your claim was late in the Day and you were about to be lynched so claiming was a good move to save yourself. Plus, without much time to really think through it and with no one else online to discuss it with, I gave you the benefit of the doubt. But now that I have had time to think through things and, as I said to Sister Coyote, the fact that Special Ed was killed last Night, you are looking very suspicious indeed toDay.
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Post by metallicsquink on Jul 4, 2009 8:35:40 GMT -5
First of all, squink, I realized that if I didn't force the tie I'd be just letting myself die for no good reason. You even condoned the act yesterday, now you think it's scummy? That's kinda weird. Now, on to the counter-claim. Although it's kinda suspicious that you don't actually have any investigation results, how do you know there's a roleblocker? I didn't see any doctors claiming. Or, are you in the scum and just making a slip? If you're telling the truth, how would the scum know to block you? That's a pretty big coincidence. I investigated texcat, and she is town. I urge you to be careful, killing me toDay will put us a 4/2. Of course, you'll be able to kill Sister Coyote tomorrow and it will be 3/1, but then there will only be one more chance to lynch correctly. Or we lose. --FCOD I find it more believable that Sister Coyote was blocked than that you got investigation results of yet another player who is Town. Again, I don't think this proves anything. You might know who all the Town players are because you are scum. Also, it's not that unbelievable that Sister Coyote was blocked. We have three dead Town and two scum which means the scum had a one in two chance of blocking a power role (four Town left and two are power roles, assuming there is a role blocker). Those odds aren't that bad.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jul 4, 2009 16:20:38 GMT -5
I've been going over the game state in my mind, considering the implications of these claims.
Let us assume for purposes of discussion that FCoD is truthfully claiming. If this is so, we run into inconsistencies and contradictions whichever way we turn. The Mafia must have a roleblocker, otherwise they'd have whacked FCoD last Night, knowing that there can't be a Doc to protect him. But if they do have a roleblocker, why didn't that player roleblock FCoD's investigation? How do you explain away the fact that the Mafia apparently thought of it, since Sister C claimed to be roleblocked, but didn't do it?
By contrast, if you assume that FCoD is actually a Mafiate, then things are a lot more consistent. There are too many variables to run every scenario down - at least, in this heat. But everything I've looked at - FCoD is the roleblocker, another player is the roleblocker, there is no roleblocker - even there is no roleblocker and we have no cop - are consistent with what we know.
I'm going to Vote: FCoD
I've even, briefly, considered scenarios where FCoD is a lying Townie - that is he's Town but not the Cop. In these cases, I think he's hurt the Town and has possibly cost us the game. But in most of those cases, he'd have done better to recant before Sister Coyote claimed. I can't see anything ruling them out, but I think FCoD knows not to make such claims.
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Post by metallicsquink on Jul 4, 2009 16:38:35 GMT -5
I've been going over the game state in my mind, considering the implications of these claims. Let us assume for purposes of discussion that FCoD is truthfully claiming. If this is so, we run into inconsistencies and contradictions whichever way we turn. The Mafia must have a roleblocker, otherwise they'd have whacked FCoD last Night, knowing that there can't be a Doc to protect him. But if they do have a roleblocker, why didn't that player roleblock FCoD's investigation? How do you explain away the fact that the Mafia apparently thought of it, since Sister C claimed to be roleblocked, but didn't do it? By contrast, if you assume that FCoD is actually a Mafiate, then things are a lot more consistent. There are too many variables to run every scenario down - at least, in this heat. But everything I've looked at - FCoD is the roleblocker, another player is the roleblocker, there is no roleblocker - even there is no roleblocker and we have no cop - are consistent with what we know. I'm going to Vote: FCoD [/color] I've even, briefly, considered scenarios where FCoD is a lying Townie - that is he's Town but not the Cop. In these cases, I think he's hurt the Town and has possibly cost us the game. But in most of those cases, he'd have done better to recant before Sister Coyote claimed. I can't see anything ruling them out, but I think FCoD knows not to make such claims.[/quote] <bolding mine> MHaye, don't you mean the mafia must NOT have a roleblocker? If there's no roleblocker, then there's no doc. Although I'm not sure how the presence of the roleblocker explains why FCoD would not have been killed last Night. I think the scum would want to take out a claimed power role.
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Post by metallicsquink on Jul 4, 2009 16:46:21 GMT -5
Oh wait - I have that wrong. If there is a roleblocker, then we have a doc. If there is no roleblocker then we might have a doc.
Maybe I just don't understand the sentence that I bolded in your quote.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Jul 4, 2009 16:56:23 GMT -5
Either FCoD or Sister Coyote is the cop. I feel fairly confident in asserting that as fact. So we can eliminate the 2 goons, 1 doc, 6 townies setup as a possibility. Of the other two, mafia will know which one is the one we're in based on whether or not they have a roleblocker. If they have no roleblocker, FCoD should have died last night. There is no reason for them to not whack him. It would be ridiculously stupid of the scum team to not kill him last Night. The very fact that he is still alive Today reveals that either the scum have a roleblocker or FCoD is lying. But if FCoD is telling the truth and scum have a roleblocker, they would have used it on him last night. But he claims to have gotten another investigation, i.e. not been blocked. So again, either the scum team is not thinking very well or FCoD is lying.
If FCoD is lying, then we still get confirmation that scum have a roleblocker because then Sister Coyote must be the cop and she claims to have been roleblocked.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jul 4, 2009 17:27:34 GMT -5
[/size=2]I've been going over the game state in my mind, considering the implications of these claims. Let us assume for purposes of discussion that FCoD is truthfully claiming. If this is so, we run into inconsistencies and contradictions whichever way we turn. The Mafia must have a roleblocker, otherwise they'd have whacked FCoD last Night, knowing that there can't be a Doc to protect him. But if they do have a roleblocker, why didn't that player roleblock FCoD's investigation? How do you explain away the fact that the Mafia apparently thought of it, since Sister C claimed to be roleblocked, but didn't do it?[/size][/quote] <bolding mine> MHaye, don't you mean the mafia must NOT have a roleblocker? If there's no roleblocker, then there's no doc. Although I'm not sure how the presence of the roleblocker explains why FCoD would not have been killed last Night. I think the scum would want to take out a claimed power role.[/quote] Sorry if I'm confusing. Put it down to the heat. If we assume that the Mafia have no roleblocker, then they know there is only one power role. If they are then faced with a Cop claim, then they would know that if it is true there are no other power roles. So why not just whack FCoD on Night 2? There are no downsides to the action. The fact that someone else died means they didn't target FCoD, which suggests that they must believe there's a Doc as well. If they believe that, they must have a roleblocker. That's what I was trying to say with that sentence. Make sense now?
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Post by Inner Stickler on Jul 4, 2009 18:38:56 GMT -5
With the exception of texcat, we appear to be united in a desire to lynch FCoD. Texcat, whose last login was today at 4:45 this afternoon, but apparently had nothing to say regarding the events of Today since her last post. Curious.
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Post by metallicsquink on Jul 5, 2009 7:45:10 GMT -5
<bolding mine> MHaye, don't you mean the mafia must NOT have a roleblocker? If there's no roleblocker, then there's no doc. Although I'm not sure how the presence of the roleblocker explains why FCoD would not have been killed last Night. I think the scum would want to take out a claimed power role.Sorry if I'm confusing. Put it down to the heat. If we assume that the Mafia have no roleblocker, then they know there is only one power role. If they are then faced with a Cop claim, then they would know that if it is true there are no other power roles. So why not just whack FCoD on Night 2? There are no downsides to the action. The fact that someone else died means they didn't target FCoD, which suggests that they must believe there's a Doc as well. If they believe that, they must have a roleblocker. That's what I was trying to say with that sentence. Make sense now? So you are thinking that if there is a roleblocker, the scum would know there is a doc and they were trying to kill the doc but missed by killing Special Ed?
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