Merestil Haye
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jul 15, 2009 13:03:13 GMT -5
I'm sorry, I had to stop and eat just after finishing my latest reread. I'm still actually more suspicious of you than I am of Texcat after the reread. So I should vote for you. There was your Day 1 vote for Jaade just four hours after she left to study for two tests that I felt (and still feel) was pure opportunism. I left that to one side on Day 3, but that was because we had other fish to fry. I didn't get back on Day 4 because the Sister C vote emerged while I was still trying to work through scenarios and produce a good precis. I obviously need to work on my skills as a writer The thing that most concerns me about Texcat is the way she said Yesterday "I'll vote for MHaye Tomorrow" without explaining why. It made me think the case was nonexistent, as indeed it turned out to be - it's based on my playstyle and very little else. Voting on the basis of a playstyle you don't like is not a good long-term strategy, because over time players will be on both sides - and indeed are more likely, in any given game, to be Town. But that's a rookie mistake, rather than a Mafia mistake, so it's a null tell (again in the long run). So I have to vote my conscience, and hope that the other Townie takes the time to think it through. Vote: Metallicsquink
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Post by metallicsquink on Jul 15, 2009 14:38:47 GMT -5
I actually came back here to change my vote to texcat. Right after I said I wasn't going to change my vote because I didn't think I'd have time to think it through, it occurred to me that scum probably would not have waited so long to vote toDay. The best approach would have been to vote for one of the remaining town and let them fight about it which is just what texcat did.
I'm not going to change to my vote, though, because we are at lynch or lose so we either lose right now if we are wrong about MHaye or we lose toNight when the last Town is night killed. I'd rather know sooner than later and since MHaye has voted for me, I'm not going to cause a tie by voting for texcat now.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jul 15, 2009 15:32:31 GMT -5
The Day is over, but the game is not. We're just waiting for Bufftabby to come in and make the lynch official. I'd say that the suspense is killing me, but in fact it's the end of the suspense that will kill me...
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Post by The Real FCOD on Jul 15, 2009 15:34:10 GMT -5
The suspense isn't killing me. I already know who won. Bwa ha haaa!
--FCOD
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Post by bufftabby on Jul 15, 2009 16:18:39 GMT -5
Final Vote Count 2 Mhaye (texcat 403, metallic squink 411) 1 metallic squink (mhaye 420)
MHaye, Scum Roleblocker, has been killed.
Town Wins!
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Post by metallicsquink on Jul 15, 2009 16:20:39 GMT -5
Woohoooooo!!!!!!! I'm glad I didn't change my vote (no hard feelings, right texcat?)
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Post by metallicsquink on Jul 15, 2009 16:25:49 GMT -5
By the way, this last Day was incredibly stressful. I need a drink.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jul 15, 2009 16:25:56 GMT -5
I'm not though I must admit, win or lose, finding myself (the last Mafiate) arguing we should not lynch the Cop, while the Townies all cried for her blood... priceless. Sorry Sister C. But if I'd saved your skin, I'd only have offed you Overnight.
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Post by texcat on Jul 15, 2009 17:25:04 GMT -5
That was fun! Well-played all. MHaye, you were this close (**puts fingers together in a this close sign**) to getting one of us to change our votes.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jul 15, 2009 17:48:36 GMT -5
Maybe next time
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Post by Inner Stickler on Jul 15, 2009 19:02:13 GMT -5
Congrats to texcat and Squink! That was a tough Day and you guys rocked it! I wish I could have been more use.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Jul 16, 2009 8:10:42 GMT -5
Good game everyone! Now go sign up for Three Clan Mini! ;D
--FCOD
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Post by Inner Stickler on Jul 16, 2009 14:12:48 GMT -5
Now wait a minute. I was kinda hoping for a post mortem like we did for Ragnarok. I dunno if that's the done thing for mini-mafia but I would appreciate a comment or two. It's my first time being doctor and I'd like to know what I should have done differently. Besides vote for SC. Sorry about that.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jul 16, 2009 16:36:26 GMT -5
IS, when I saw your claim I thought "just what I would have done." I think that, in your place, I would have made the same choices you did in the first three Nights.
So long as you remained hidden, FCoD and I had to play guessing games with you, hoping to dodge your protections. You might have made a different decision on Night 2, but maybe you'd never seen a Cop give themselves away in exactly the same way as Sister Coyote did. Both FCoD and I had. (I don't know whether he remembers the game, but being the backup Cop made it memorable for me.)
We didn't kill the Cop Night 2, partly because it would out FCoD and we wanted to spread fear and confusion, partly because FCoD wanted to try and out-argue Sister Coyote, and partly because we wanted to avoid the mischance of you spotting Sister Coyote's giveaway and protecting her.
The one thing I would have done differently from you is not claim Day 4. You played Ragnarok. Once the Mafia roleblocker knows who the Doc is, the Cop dies on the spot. I don't know if it would have helped you, since I had it down to a choice between you and Texcat already (a post by MS early Day 4 gave away that she was not the Doc, even before she explicitly denied it) and I would have gone for you first.
So all in all, not a bad first outing as a Doc.
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Post by metallicsquink on Jul 16, 2009 16:47:38 GMT -5
IS, when I saw your claim I thought "just what I would have done." I think that, in your place, I would have made the same choices you did in the first three Nights. So long as you remained hidden, FCoD and I had to play guessing games with you, hoping to dodge your protections. You might have made a different decision on Night 2, but maybe you'd never seen a Cop give themselves away in exactly the same way as Sister Coyote did. Both FCoD and I had. (I don't know whether he remembers the game, but being the backup Cop made it memorable for me.) We didn't kill the Cop Night 2, partly because it would out FCoD and we wanted to spread fear and confusion, partly because FCoD wanted to try and out-argue Sister Coyote, and partly because we wanted to avoid the mischance of you spotting Sister Coyote's giveaway and protecting her. The one thing I would have done differently from you is not claim Day 4. You played Ragnarok. Once the Mafia roleblocker knows who the Doc is, the Cop dies on the spot. I don't know if it would have helped you, since I had it down to a choice between you and Texcat already (a post by MS early Day 4 gave away that she was not the Doc, even before she explicitly denied it) and I would have gone for you first. So all in all, not a bad first outing as a Doc. What was SisterCoyote's giveaway?
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jul 16, 2009 16:52:46 GMT -5
Post 267. She had something to say as soon as possible. The obvious thing she knew was that she was the real Cop. If you'll give me a minute, I'll try and run down the post that got Hal Briston Nightkilled in The Cult of Sekham. Better. Here's Hal's Oracle-eye view of what did him in. That and impatiently drumming fingers.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Jul 17, 2009 0:38:51 GMT -5
Yeah, I need to know if that's true or not. Nights being fluff, I mean. The giveaway. I'm still confused. Is it because a strategy for a cop afraid of being NKed is to post their claim and who they've investigated just before dawn? So, I should have claimed townie as well and not doc? Should the doc generally only claim if they're under the threat of being lynched?
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jul 17, 2009 7:09:26 GMT -5
Yeah, I need to know if that's true or not. Nights being fluff, I mean. The giveaway. I'm still confused. Is it because a strategy for a cop afraid of being NKed is to post their claim and who they've investigated just before dawn? So, I should have claimed townie as well and not doc? Should the doc generally only claim if they're under the threat of being lynched? Understand that the type of strategy allowed at night usually determines a lot of this. The standard operating procedure for mafia was fluff only at Night, and scum couldn't strategize during the Day. We've gotten away from that in the more recent games. I've also seen strategy whenever you want, but no claims during the evenings (Idle Thoughts' Super Mario-themed game was setup like this.) Really, there's no reason for a detective to claim right before dawn, unless that player has some reason for honestly thinking they will die that dawn (unless you're Meeko, who seems to always think he's scum target numero uno). And, of course, it has to be allowed under the rules for you to make the claim. As far as when to claim? While obviously if you think you're going to be lynched. Otherwise, it's much more nebulous. In a standard game that can be expected to last 8 Days or so, Day 4 is usually a good Day to claim. Or you might risk another Day if masons and/or doctors are exposed. Waiting past Day 5 is really not recommended. However, you might have reason to claim earlier than Day 4 if you know you can save a townie by doing so. I was ready to claim by Day 3 in SMB just to save one townie. Because the Masons (who were only somewhat town-aligned in that one, but that's neither here no there) were hidden and so was the doctor. So I could reasonably figure I could get one or two more investigations anyway, and give town information that would not only save a townie, but quash the ultimately futile discussions that involved this townie. So when to claim is very situational dependent, like pretty much every other role out there.
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