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Post by Dirx on Mar 11, 2012 17:50:49 GMT -5
Yeah, this should be funny. I'll admit to thinking "But there is no R in there!" on LF's accro. Does there have to be? My own PM doesn't include my name anywhere beyond the header information--it just refers to me as "you."
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Post by Silver Jan on Mar 11, 2012 17:52:58 GMT -5
I'll admit to thinking "But there is no R in there!" on LF's accro. Does there have to be? My own PM doesn't include my name anywhere beyond the header information--it just refers to me as "you." \So So did you do anything?
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Post by Dirx on Mar 11, 2012 17:54:52 GMT -5
What's that have to do with anything?
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Post by Chronos on Mar 11, 2012 18:07:27 GMT -5
Of course, I don't know that she's being honest. If Lightfoot comes up as being something other than Robin, well, that'd be a shame, but then we'd clearly know that Silver Jan was lying, and we could kill her immediately. A Townie for a Scum is a good trade.
But y'know what? I'm going to call it. I think you're Scum, and you're panicking. We've seen two Scum die in the first cycle, and now it looks like we've got a really good lead on a third one. Were I Scum, I think I'd be pretty upset by that, too. I don't think it's actually the right move for Scum to try every way possible to throw doubt on what should be a sure thing, but I can see a Scum doing so by reflex, anyway. Sort of like how yesterDay, you overreacted to my vote on Special Ed for literally asking for it.
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Post by Rysto on Mar 11, 2012 18:11:33 GMT -5
In the original Batman game, names corresponded 100% to alignment: the scum were Batman, Robin, Bat-Girl, Alfred, Nighthawk and Commission Gordon, Harley Quinn had a win condition tied to the Joker and the Rehydrated Dehydrated Henchmen won with the Penguin. In fact, after the game Roosh said that making names 100% correspond to the canon was one of his goals after Firefly, in which Zoe, who should have been town by the canon, ended up being made scum as an intentional red herring by the designers.
Anyway, in Batman Hockey Monkey was a cop who got back Role names only(or killed her target. She was Two-Face). That role was only useful because role names indicated alignment. So I'm tempted to put a vote down for Lightfoot.
On the other hand, the Penguin turning up scum is a pretty big confounding variable. Hm...
story, if a player were recruited to the scum side and then killed, would the card flip indicate that the player had been recruited?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 11, 2012 18:12:26 GMT -5
People are playing like freshman, and that isn't as fun. Just trying to bring the game up to the level where being wrong and jumping to the wrong conclusions at least sounds logical while it is being done.
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Post by LightFoot on Mar 11, 2012 18:12:37 GMT -5
cathcing up 3 pages to read.... first So you're joining Idle in the opinion that Hal bussed his scum-buddy Bat? I am not sure BUT I have a secret that I can't keep. I have never been able to keep a secret. We have already nailed 2 SCUM and I think I have a 3rd one. I know I will be killed tomorrow but I thought I should get this information out. LightFoot is Robin. The info I got was not in colour though and LightFoot was Robin. I am sorry if I gave out this info too soon but I can't keep it a secret if I find scum. If my PM had come back as a Townie....I would have kept my mouth shut until EOD unless the Townie was being lynched Do you remember when I went long on NOT using character names and a basis for alignment? There was a reason for that!
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Post by LightFoot on Mar 11, 2012 18:18:12 GMT -5
If you read her posts in the light of having a go-gooder name on top of being town, they do make a certain amount of sense. Thank you
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Post by LightFoot on Mar 11, 2012 18:21:53 GMT -5
I'm going to wait for lightfoot's explanation. I'd like her to post the sentence that matches her anagram. As skeptical as I was of the anagram idea, I can see now that it will be beneficial. I would have thought that a scummy Robin would have posted the anagram of a fake role, and would now have a hard time using those letters for Robin. quote from Pm Four four years you've watched the bad guys murder and steal and worse, unhindered and often even enabled by the supposedly honest citizens of the World's Worst City
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Post by Rysto on Mar 11, 2012 18:26:43 GMT -5
I think that at this point we need to see a full power claim from Silver Jan. If all that she gets is role names, then there has to be some kind of significance to role names.
Don't forget that Chronos has claimed knowledge of a potential fake role name. If there's a fake role name in the game, then it stands to reason that there is a group of players who don't want to claim their true names.
Also, did LightFoot's hints that her role name didn't reflect her alignment come before or after Chronos claimed to be able to out a fake name?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 11, 2012 18:30:10 GMT -5
I can't deny that Chronos and Drain have both risen to the top of my watch list so far today. And Jan...Jan could just be eager and she could have a play style that I don't get, but I do still want an answer to my question about her views on Hal in light of his vote change sealing Batman's death. The quetion that she side-stepped to bring out her name investigation results. And something other than canon justifications for suspecting LightFoot would be nice. Let's just say that Jan's alleged role and play so far still has me skeptical about her alignment.
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Post by LightFoot on Mar 11, 2012 18:30:51 GMT -5
I f you have not read the night thread take a peek a boo. my 2 main suspects woke up dead ( not by me ) one was scum and one was 3P re-read my arguments about names/ alignments Not a slip a frustration since the mod changed the good guys/bad guys alignment vs names thing from the origional and I knew if I claimed my true name ( from my pm) most of you would kill me out of hand
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Post by LightFoot on Mar 11, 2012 18:34:58 GMT -5
I won't edit but you will have to add your own punctiation
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 11, 2012 18:38:05 GMT -5
So you're claiming Townie Robin then, LightFoot? You're agreeing with and expressing gratitude to the statements that have allowed for that possibility, but you haven't really confirmed nor denied having Robin as your role.
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Post by LightFoot on Mar 11, 2012 18:39:28 GMT -5
Given that the mod has wizely NOT kept the character names true to the origional alignments I wonder if a detctive that only gets names is a Town power?
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Post by LightFoot on Mar 11, 2012 18:43:02 GMT -5
Yes my character name is Robin and I am Town.. sorta explains some of my earlier comments D1
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Post by Inner Stickler on Mar 11, 2012 18:44:54 GMT -5
Why would a scum team need a name cop? Name cops are weak but they can blow through false claims. In a game with a canon, that could be useful.
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Post by LightFoot on Mar 11, 2012 18:45:09 GMT -5
NETA and given the bias that all the good super hero names are Scum it is a golden rod for my demise. Jan if you are Scum nice try. I won't lay down and roll over
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Post by Chronos on Mar 11, 2012 18:51:20 GMT -5
See, the thing is, even if you're effectively a miller (Townie who looks like Scum to an investigator), we're still pretty much forced to kill you, because we have no way of knowing that. But if Town doesn't lynch all millers, then the Detective becomes useless, since any Scum caught will just claim miller.
Yeah, if you do have a role like that, it's annoying, but if you really are Town, then you can still win with the rest of us even if you're dead, and it looks like we're off to a great start so far.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Mar 11, 2012 18:56:38 GMT -5
Jan didn't get alignment info, though. She just got a name and with the Penguin revealed as scum, I think it's too early to start deciding people are millers.
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Post by Dirx on Mar 11, 2012 18:57:01 GMT -5
Lightfoot, would you like to give us more of your PM? You can omit any powers or whatnot, but I'd like to see if/how it justifies Robin as being Town in this game.
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Post by LightFoot on Mar 11, 2012 18:57:40 GMT -5
I hope saner heads arrive.... I'm Town. and I might be able to help. If it becomes clear that I am indeed headed for the galllows ( or green goo as were) I will elaborate. read my posts. Chronos your magic bag has it's fallibility too it seems.......
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 11, 2012 19:04:23 GMT -5
It is possible that both Silver Jan and LightFoot are Town. For me, the fly in that ointment is that Silver Jan's play so far toDay parses to me more like she's trying to deliver a Townie Robin lynch to the Scum team rather than the inverse, but there's that play style factor that may be getting in the way of me being objective as this my first game with either of them.
Silver Jan could have been recruited as well. Silver Jan could be only reporting on a portion of a more detailed Scum investigation result (whether her own or that of a teammate relayed via the Scumboards).
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Post by Meeko on Mar 11, 2012 19:06:02 GMT -5
Lightfoot, would you like to give us more of your PM? You can omit any powers or whatnot, but I'd like to see if/how it justifies Robin as being Town in this game. Doesn't Rysto have a request out to Silver Jan for their role pm ? I think there is a burden of proof here, in regards to who is who, and I don't think that the burden is on LightFoot.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Mar 11, 2012 19:09:46 GMT -5
I dunno. Silver Jan has always played this shoot from the hip, go to war with the troops you have mentality that I'm seeing on display. I'd buy a townie jan getting the name robin and figuring that since robin is usually partnered with batman, lightfoot must be scum. If we look at it from the POV of townie on townie violence, the people who jumped right on the lynching lightfoot look a little suspicious to me.
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Post by Rysto on Mar 11, 2012 19:10:02 GMT -5
It is possible that both Silver Jan and LightFoot are Town. For me, the fly in that ointment is that Silver Jan's play so far toDay parses to me more like she's trying to deliver a Townie Robin lynch to the Scum team rather than the inverse, but there's that play style factor that may be getting in the way of me being objective as this my first game with either of them. Silver Jan could have been recruited as well. Silver Jan could be only reporting on a portion of a more detailed Scum investigation result (whether her own or that of a teammate relayed via the Scumboards). Not a chance. That's a horrible trade for scum to make, especially down two already
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Post by Dirx on Mar 11, 2012 19:11:58 GMT -5
Lightfoot, would you like to give us more of your PM? You can omit any powers or whatnot, but I'd like to see if/how it justifies Robin as being Town in this game. Doesn't Rysto have a request out to Silver Jan for their role pm ? I think there is a burden of proof here, in regards to who is who, and I don't think that the burden is on LightFoot. Yes, he does. I don't see what bearing that has on my request for more of Lightfoot's PM, though. I'm not even asking for a full claim (though, if she continues to accumulate votes, she'll be forced to eventually anyway). All this talk about how names may or may not line up with expected canon alignments would benefit from whatever apparent justifaction is given for Robin's presumed towniness in this instance.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 11, 2012 19:15:40 GMT -5
I dunno. Silver Jan has always played this shoot from the hip, go to war with the troops you have mentality that I'm seeing on display. I'd buy a townie jan getting the name robin and figuring that since robin is usually partnered with batman, lightfoot must be scum. If we look at it from the POV of townie on townie violence, the people who jumped right on the lynching lightfoot look a little suspicious to me. Agreed. It has really been the LightFoot votes/voters that have been pinging me the most. The others I'm just trying to make sure I understand what they're trying to say and the various implications thereof.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 11, 2012 19:20:52 GMT -5
quote from Pm Four four years you've watched the bad guys murder and steal and worse, unhindered and often even enabled by the supposedly honest citizens of the World's Worst City This at least suggests at the sort of color that we're looking for, I think. Seems to be setting it up that he got tired of the futility and perhaps told Batman to do something intimate with his grapple gun that is probably not legal in various states.
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Post by Meeko on Mar 11, 2012 19:29:19 GMT -5
See, the thing is, even if you're effectively a miller (Townie who looks like Scum to an investigator), we're still pretty much forced to kill you, because we have no way of knowing that. But if Town doesn't lynch all millers, then the Detective becomes useless, since any Scum caught will just claim miller. Yeah, if you do have a role like that, it's annoying, but if you really are Town, then you can still win with the rest of us even if you're dead, and it looks like we're off to a great start so far. Chronos, can you explain how Town can ever be _Forced_ to do anything? Forced implies no other options, and the way townies are put up against scum plays out with multiple other options. Getting town to do something is like nailing jello to a tree. Hell, I wouldn't even give in to your handshake. So, I'm not on board with this one. At first, your proposal sounds like the well known Steven King type plot. A masochist streak that has it's own.... flair to it. We have to kill you, but it's for your own good. And I am here to say that I think Town can offer a better solution. I think that at the very least town can keep one of it's own alive beyond DAY 2 of all things. Could there not be a Miller Detector? You assume a Miller is in this game, and then on top of that you assume a Detective. .... Do you care to comment on this? You kinda skip a gear in your logic here. And then you double down on the entire Stephen King aspect of it..... .... and you add in the obligatory "But we are still doing ok" type sentiment ..... And I wonder, from what side "" and it looks like we're off to a great start so far "" comes from. In any event, Day 2 has a lot going on since I last voted. Unvote Suburban.
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I usually FOS in orange, but the mod has taken that for the device that Pollux has. As not to confuse, I will switch to brown for double FOS here.
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