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Post by Nanook on Mar 15, 2012 16:52:17 GMT -5
There's still no evidence that scum recruitment exists. And if said recruiter does exist, I'm not convinced you're not it. There is circumstantial evidence for it in the existence of my role. And I already said I have no problem dying so that Maha can be confirmed, assuming he is telling the truth and accepts the offer. Feel free to lynch me Tomorrow. Or have Texcat vig me tomorrow Night.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 15, 2012 16:52:27 GMT -5
How would we know if all 3rd parties have complied with the demand that they claim? Do you seriously think, even if all 3rd parties (plus some PFK and Scum wearing 3rd Pary cover roles) claimed, that Town is going to come to a clean, quick, and strong consensus about which of those should be lynched and which should be recruited? In public? With PFKs and Scummies participating in the discussion and being privy to all of the discussion?
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 15, 2012 16:52:48 GMT -5
This is a pretty tall order to fill. Are you going to continue not to vote until your demands are met? Why is it tall order, exactly? Don't third parties have motivation to chose sides? certainly they do. they will choose the side they think most likely to win since typically that is how they win. to consider a third party as an ally is akin to russia thinking that germany was an ally in ww2 because they split up poland.
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Post by Meeko on Mar 15, 2012 16:54:32 GMT -5
How would we know if all 3rd parties have complied with the demand that they claim? Do you seriously think, even if all 3rd parties (plus some PFK and Scum wearing 3rd Pary cover roles) claimed, that Town is going to come to a clean, quick, and strong consensus about which of those should be lynched and which should be recruited? In public? With PFKs and Scummies participating in the discussion and being privy to all of the discussion? When was I stating that we could do this quickly?
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Post by Meeko on Mar 15, 2012 16:55:12 GMT -5
There are third parties that CAN'T win unless they get recruited. Right?
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Post by texcat on Mar 15, 2012 16:58:36 GMT -5
Meeko, the standard win condition for third party seems to be "Alive at the end of game". I don't think they have to be recruited.
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 15, 2012 17:00:40 GMT -5
What? I simply don't get you!! Town has to lynch every Day. That is the only way we can get information. And you want to think about it for... how long? Look I am trying my best not to be impolite here, but - do you even get the idea of the game? Town doesn't HAVE to lynch every day. I think my resting vote for Day 2 proves this. Once we can all agree on the priorities for this game, that would be enough thought. The idea of Mafia isn't the question. The Idea of this game..... I'm still trying to figure out. you are correct. town does not have to lynch every Day. that greatly emasculates town in that it removes the one certainty from their arsenal. is it always correct, nah. but does it scare the ever loving jeebuz out of not town - youbetcha. my priority for this game is to eliminate scum and pfk (if any). i can only do that through the lynch. if i have to eliminate some "potential" scum or pfk then that is the price i pay. and once you "figure" this fucker out give me a call. because story is a fucking dickwad in making these fuckers "clean". and by that i mean that he typically designs games with a couple of thoughts in mind. they are fair to all participants (except for the wicked witch and miller doc shit), they are unbreakable and he is dicking with us the whole fucking way.
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Post by Total Ullz on Mar 15, 2012 17:01:01 GMT -5
I am not a hating sort of person - but to be honest right now I can think of a reason or two to dislike you. In game that is. If you care to elaborate... I care so much that I better not elaborate. I have a feeling if I did, that the things said would change my status as a nice and friendly player in the world of mafia. I think I'll leave it to me thinking my way and you thinking yours. No offense - but I really don't see us making anything but noise over this. Here - have some bunnies:
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Post by Meeko on Mar 15, 2012 17:04:55 GMT -5
Meeko, the standard win condition for third party seems to be "Alive at the end of game". I don't think they have to be recruited. I was of the belief that we had a role in this game with a reported win-con condtional on chosing a side.
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 15, 2012 17:05:25 GMT -5
neta: story feel free to rebut any of my conclusions about your game design mechanics.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 15, 2012 17:06:11 GMT -5
However long you are wanting to take to arrive at this hypothetical consensus, Meeko, is too long. If you continue to hold out with the no-lynch votes all by yourself, I think you're just going to get lynch pressure and be forced to do a full claim. And if the rest of us somehow drank your koolaid and decide to start voting no-lynch until it gets settled, then the PFK and Scum are riding around killing/recruiting/investigating/watching/plotting while we just sit around talking all day and not using our most important tools: our votes.
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 15, 2012 17:06:23 GMT -5
Meeko, the standard win condition for third party seems to be "Alive at the end of game". I don't think they have to be recruited. I was of the belief that we had a role in this game with a reported win-con condtional on chosing a side. where in the world did you get that?
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Post by Inner Stickler on Mar 15, 2012 17:07:09 GMT -5
There are third parties that CAN'T win unless they get recruited. Right? Not in this game, and I would seriously question any other game. Mafia is mostly a game between town (first party) and scum(second party). Are you getting where the name third party comes from and why it's a tad asinine to ask if third parties have to be recruited? Cookies, I know a bunch of people are really agitated over the idea of a scum recruiter. Assuming mahaloth chooses to join town and nanook becomes vanilla, are we just going to lynch every third party we come across in case they get recruited? In the last game there were approximately even numbers of scum and third party/PFK. If it's true for this game as well, there's about 15 town (14 now) and either 6 or 7 scum/nonscum-nontown (4-5 scum and 3-4 nonscum/nontown) That's potentially a lot of mislynches to spend on people who are not scum. I think the reaction and worry is out of proportion to the problem.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 15, 2012 17:08:27 GMT -5
Silver Jan is still posting and voting in the Day 2 thread. I've tried to pull her over, but so far no luck.
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Post by LightFoot on Mar 15, 2012 17:09:21 GMT -5
Wait a minute. If Town decided to not lynch one day.. Scum would sure as hell take care of that for them.
While claiming to disagree with the masses and being a good voting Townie an all of course
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Post by Meeko on Mar 15, 2012 17:09:47 GMT -5
Meeko, Third Party is not innocent. Drain may have been telling the truth, but she still wasn't Town. Nanook can you please reconcile yours with the following from the night zero rules (bold is mine):
Third Party Players are players that are neither Town- nor Scum-aligned but are not a threat to the win condition of either side; the specifics of each win condition may vary, but third party players can win along with either Town or Scum.PFK Players are players that are neither Town nor Scum and ARE a threat to the win condition of either side. A PFK player may or may not be able to win alongside some third party players, but if a PFK player wins, then all Town and Scum players do not.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Mar 15, 2012 17:11:47 GMT -5
Silver Jan is still posting and voting in the Day 2 thread. I've tried to pull her over, but so far no luck. Silver Jan is the clearest example of "moves to the beat of her own drummer" that I've ever seen.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Mar 15, 2012 17:12:07 GMT -5
Although Meeko is a close runner up.
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Post by Silver Jan on Mar 15, 2012 17:12:07 GMT -5
Whelp, I am sorry Drain couldn't join our team, and I am sorry to see her go, but I am glad scum wont' get her. I am going to have a long squint before sending in my NK. I think everyone voted, but Archangel's participation was lacking, to say the least. I hope that Nanook reports a successful recruitment soon. Any suggestions for NK will be carefully evaluated and considered. I was still ranting on the other thread lol, I have no idea about times, maybe the Mod should put a timer on lol
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Post by Inner Stickler on Mar 15, 2012 17:12:55 GMT -5
Well, he posted that the Day was over.
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Post by Meeko on Mar 15, 2012 17:13:18 GMT -5
I was of the belief that we had a role in this game with a reported win-con condtional on chosing a side. where in the world did you get that? I could go hunt for it, but I was thinking it was one of our (earlier) claims. Maha or Mhaye I think.
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Post by Silver Jan on Mar 15, 2012 17:16:18 GMT -5
You can't discount recruitment as a danger in a game that has recruitment. You especially can't ignore recruitment of a third party in a game in which it is very likely that the recruitment is tied to third parties. She was dangerous because she was either lying about her role, or a prime target for scum recruitment. Her not lying removes one of the reasons for her danger yes, but it doesn't mean shit for the other one. So who did you recruit toDay?
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Post by Nanook on Mar 15, 2012 17:16:44 GMT -5
Nanook can you please reconcile yours with the following from the night zero rules (bold is mine):
Third Party Players are players that are neither Town- nor Scum-aligned but are not a threat to the win condition of either side; the specifics of each win condition may vary, but third party players can win along with either Town or Scum.PFK Players are players that are neither Town nor Scum and ARE a threat to the win condition of either side. A PFK player may or may not be able to win alongside some third party players, but if a PFK player wins, then all Town and Scum players do not. My underlining. It says it right there, clear as day. Third Parties ARE NOT TOWN.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Mar 15, 2012 17:16:50 GMT -5
*headdeask*
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 15, 2012 17:17:16 GMT -5
There are third parties that CAN'T win unless they get recruited. Right? Not in this game, and I would seriously question any other game. Mafia is mostly a game between town (first party) and scum(second party). Are you getting where the name third party comes from and why it's a tad asinine to ask if third parties have to be recruited? Cookies, I know a bunch of people are really agitated over the idea of a scum recruiter. Assuming mahaloth chooses to join town and nanook becomes vanilla, are we just going to lynch every third party we come across in case they get recruited? In the last game there were approximately even numbers of scum and third party/PFK. If it's true for this game as well, there's about 15 town (14 now) and either 6 or 7 scum/nonscum-nontown (4-5 scum and 3-4 nonscum/nontown) That's potentially a lot of mislynches to spend on people who are not scum. I think the reaction and worry is out of proportion to the problem. aiifuckingeee. third parties have their own wincons. crap, read cookies post. some can win as survivors (at least the way i read it) and others may have different wincons. yes, we lynch every known not town. because who is to say that they haven't joined the dark side, so to speak. in which case they become scum which, i think, you advocate eliminating.
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Post by Nanook on Mar 15, 2012 17:17:46 GMT -5
I could go hunt for it, but I was thinking it was one of our (earlier) claims. Maha or Mhaye I think. Mhaye never claimed and flipped scum, not Third Party. Maha claimed that his win condition was being alive at the end of the game. Jan, I posted the results of my Day action earlier. I am awaiting Dawn to see if Maha accepts or not.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Mar 15, 2012 17:17:47 GMT -5
My underlining. It says it right there, clear as day. Third Parties ARE NOT TOWN. They're also NOT SCUM OR PFK so I don't see why we need to shout.
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 15, 2012 17:18:57 GMT -5
Silver Jan is still posting and voting in the Day 2 thread. I've tried to pull her over, but so far no luck. she's probably just drunk. crud it took about 10 posts on the cabal thread in C4 to finally get her with the program.
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Post by Meeko on Mar 15, 2012 17:19:14 GMT -5
Nanook can you please reconcile yours with the following from the night zero rules (bold is mine):
Third Party Players are players that are neither Town- nor Scum-aligned the specifics of each win condition may vary, but third party players can win along with either Town or Scum.PFK Players are players that are neither Town nor Scum and ARE a threat to the win condition of either side. A PFK player may or may not be able to win alongside some third party players, but if a PFK player wins, then all Town and Scum players do not. My underlining. It says it right there, clear as day. Third Parties ARE NOT TOWN. My moving. In turn, it's now your move.
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Post by LightFoot on Mar 15, 2012 17:19:16 GMT -5
Silver Jan is still posting and voting in the Day 2 thread. I've tried to pull her over, but so far no luck. Silver Jan is the clearest example of "moves to the beat of her own drummer" that I've ever seen. I think Mr Silver had some proceedures today. it could be a wine night.
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