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Post by Total Ullz on Mar 18, 2012 2:32:54 GMT -5
I am on my phone and it's not easy to copy/paste. However I figured I'd better share this: I am really sorry to see Inner go - not just because he was town but also because he was vocal and played the game. The -52 is strange. Doesn't seem to be tied with votes as the 7 was. As for the roleblocker we have: I think Texcat should stop telling us who she will target. If Archangel HAD been scum I find it very likely Texcat would have been blocked. Maybe a bit of WIFOM is better in this case
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Mar 18, 2012 3:27:35 GMT -5
Also: FoS Idle Thoughts: Questions- 1. Why did you randomly decide to claim at the start of Day 3? Why not stay silent and hope that Scum target you? Oh, hi, you must be new to playing in games with me. When do I NOT claim out of the blue? I didn't know that was important. It says: "May your hell be a green one!" If you don't believe me, feel free to vote for me. I don't care. If I die, I won't have to check into this game anymore, thank goodness.
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Post by Total Ullz on Mar 18, 2012 4:08:53 GMT -5
I am thinking why Inner and not me. I know he's a great player and has a lot of insight. However maybe it was tricked by some view in this game where he and I disagreed. I can't think of much a part from the vote yesterDay where I wanted a DB-lynch and he voted Archangel. But she was town so...
I arrive at the conclusion that it is very likely a Scum-kill since Inners vote for Archangel could be viewed in a "not paranoid of third parties" kind of light.
Still I am very surprised that Scum actually did that. But I guess the recruiting factor will always leave us with a never-truely confirmed townie in this game.
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Post by Meeko on Mar 18, 2012 8:00:32 GMT -5
If you don't believe me, feel free to vote for me. I don't care. If I die, I won't have to check into this game anymore, thank goodness.Not sure what to make of this, that last part in particular.
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Post by Mahaloth on Mar 18, 2012 8:44:23 GMT -5
Not sure what to make of this, that last part in particular. This is Idle's last game. I believe he doesn't care much either way and I believe his role claim.
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Post by Meeko on Mar 18, 2012 9:16:23 GMT -5
Not sure what to make of this, that last part in particular. This is Idle's last game. I believe he doesn't care much either way and I believe his role claim. The attitude is strictly worse than a lurker.
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Post by Hal Briston on Mar 18, 2012 12:16:28 GMT -5
Yep, same here...kerosene is what I smelled as well (subtract 13 from each of the two numbers in P25u39 and then run it through ROT-13, and you get C12h26, the chemical formula of kerosene). So it would seem a very safe guess that you and I were each investigated/visited by the same person these past two nights. I did some searching the other day trying to see if there was someone who had some sort of tie to kerosene in Batman canon, and I came up with several possibilities and one strong possibility. However, I kept those notes on my work computer, so I won't have access to them until tomorrow. D'oh.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Mar 18, 2012 12:33:18 GMT -5
This is Idle's last game. I believe he doesn't care much either way and I believe his role claim. The attitude is strictly worse than a lurker. Again, you must not play in very many games with me. I usually don't tend to care if I live or die in them. I mostly play in games to fill a space for the mod, not really because I overly want to play in a game. Why do you think I tend to claim on Day Ones? To get it out of the way, everything out into the open, and not have to worry about hiding any info. That way the burden is on Town, from then on, to believe me or not...thus, out of my control. I'm now worry-free. And about to go to bed, I'm still pretty sick and to top it off, it's a rainy day today..making me feel even worse, ugh.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Mar 18, 2012 16:22:11 GMT -5
I'm Poison Ivy. I have a 50 percent chance of poisoning (and killing) anyone who tries to kill me at Night. I think it only works once, though, from how the PM sounds. So with this info, I take it scum specify who they want to have kill a person each Night (if that wasn't already known/talked about). Great. If your claim is true, I hope you get vaguely more interested in the game because scum are clearly going to steer clear of trying to Nightkill you now. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure this exact power is what Roosh false-claimed in Firefly when he was Inara. So I don't really know what to make of it for now.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 18, 2012 17:45:50 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm afraid Idle's play as the disgruntled soon-to-be retiree is a null tell from a gameplay perspective, and unfortunate for Town in the neutering of his power by exposing it for no game-related reason.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 18, 2012 17:46:13 GMT -5
NETA assuming he's not lying.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Mar 18, 2012 17:49:12 GMT -5
Vote: Idle Thoughts
That's the kind of claim you should have kept quiet about, so it would be more effective. Instead, it just sounds like you're trying to explain why you'll still be alive 4 days from now, which is scummy and nervous.
Texcat, don't worry about hitting Archangel and him flipping town.
He had zero use to us as town because he wasn't trying to scum-hunt, and he also provided cover for the mafia to possibly hide in, among the non-talkers. As such, his death was still pro-town in my opinion.
Since we won't get much reaction from voting the non-talkers, I think the vig is a great way to resolve suspicions on those. But kill whoever you feel is scum, of course.
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Post by texcat on Mar 18, 2012 21:07:08 GMT -5
I got roleblocked last night. Hmmm...did I miss something? I didn't know you had a role to be blocked. You seem like a surpising choice for a role block. I was waiting for further evidence, but it does not seem to be forthcoming, and so I will renew my vote from Yesterday: Vote: Rysto
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Post by Hal Briston on Mar 18, 2012 21:51:55 GMT -5
Hmmm...did I miss something? I didn't know you had a role to be blocked. You seem like a surpising choice for a role block. Not really -- look at it from a scum roleblocker POV. You're going to block someone but the most obvious candidates might have watchers on them. So you take a chance and block someone who is off the grid, and hope that they're someone who is just laying low and collecting good townie info.
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Post by Gadarene on Mar 18, 2012 23:16:34 GMT -5
I got roleblocked last night. Hmmm...did I miss something? I didn't know you had a role to be blocked. You seem like a surpising choice for a role block. I was waiting for further evidence, but it does not seem to be forthcoming, and so I will renew my vote from Yesterday: Vote: Rysto [/color][/quote] I agree (I was surprised, anyway). And I agree with Hal that it's most likely the scum roleblocker taking a shot at someone who's claimed town but hasn't claimed their power.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Mar 19, 2012 3:39:11 GMT -5
Vote: Idle ThoughtsThat's the kind of claim you should have kept quiet about, so it would be more effective. Instead, it just sounds like you're trying to explain why you'll still be alive 4 days from now, which is scummy and nervous. I have a different opinion. You're wrong, but that's okay.
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Post by Rysto on Mar 19, 2012 7:37:33 GMT -5
I was waiting for further evidence, but it does not seem to be forthcoming, and so I will renew my vote from Yesterday: Uh, what evidence were you waiting on, exactly?
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Post by texcat on Mar 19, 2012 8:19:06 GMT -5
I was waiting for further evidence, but it does not seem to be forthcoming, and so I will renew my vote from Yesterday: Uh, what evidence were you waiting on, exactly? Uh, this... I think I really could be killed tonight and I was right with Robin, keep that in mind, tonight I was investigating Rysto. Good luck Town
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Post by Hal Briston on Mar 19, 2012 8:20:54 GMT -5
Ok, back at work with my notes. A search of +Batman +kerosene brings back a ton of results -- one villian or another using kerosene for something is a common plot element in the comics. But there's one time we hear about kerosene more than any other -- someone driving The Batmobile: My theory: Scum, as a team, have access to The Batmobile. They're using it for some sort of nighttime investigative purpose, and the iconic jet booster leaves the tell-tale odor of kerosene. Scum investigated me on Night One and peeker on Night Two.
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Post by Hal Briston on Mar 19, 2012 8:21:34 GMT -5
NETA: I also wonder if "The Batmobile" isn't a role on it's own?
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Post by Mahaloth on Mar 19, 2012 9:18:09 GMT -5
My theory: Scum, as a team, have access to The Batmobile. They're using it for some sort of nighttime investigative purpose, and the iconic jet booster leaves the tell-tale odor of kerosene. Scum investigated me on Night One and peeker on Night Two. Brilliantly deducted and I agree that this is highly likely. Interesting that we would get a hint of what they have done. This games seems hard for scum to win already, although for all I know, they are privately kicking our butts.
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Post by Mahaloth on Mar 19, 2012 9:18:51 GMT -5
By the way, for the record, I wondered if I would receive a scum recruitment invitation as well as Town's.
I didn't. For what it is worth.
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Post by Rysto on Mar 19, 2012 12:28:11 GMT -5
Uh, what evidence were you waiting on, exactly? Uh, this... I think I really could be killed tonight and I was right with Robin, keep that in mind, tonight I was investigating Rysto. Good luck Town Well, I'm happy to report that once Silver Jan gets back she will have a name for you. However, my point here was what name could you possibly expect to hear from Jan that you think would help your case against me, when the name "Robin" isn't enough to draw your vote? Oh, wait, Lightfoot didn't vote for you. Silly me, carry on with your OMGUS.
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 19, 2012 14:30:44 GMT -5
curiosity.
how do you determine the difference between canon and color? or are they synonymous terms to you? i doubt anyone will answer this but it does trouble the peek brain.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Mar 19, 2012 15:41:46 GMT -5
Wow, slow day. Is everybody still recovering from their St. Patrick's Day hangovers? I'm still waiting on information from Jan and Lightfoot. With two supposed investigators out there any information we can get is valuable. Also, askthepizzaguy, who did you block last night? Who knows, maybe who you blocked was our third killer? I'm not saying we should immediately jump to that conclusion because if Lightfoot and Jan are to be believed, we have at least two blockers out there along with doctors and other such nonsense. But it's another data point. Speaking of askthepizzaguy, another reason I want that info is because you're starting to look more and more suspicious to me. You've made a lot of long, in-depth posts about scum hunting and theories of play and how to be a better townie and all that jazz. However, you also always seem to take the easiest route when you vote. On day one, you initially voted peeker over the noisy Ed issue, switching to astral rejection for lurking and not posting much, then finally to Texcat, jumping on the easy non-Pleo bandwagon. On day two, you vote for Drain Bead after I expose the possible recruitment angle, make a long post about we have to either lynch Drain or recruit her, then switch your vote to the lurker/non-existant poster. Now toDay, you jump on to vote Idle, which is really a vote that was handed to you on a silver platter. For a person who has made long-winded posts about properly finding scum, it really, really strikes me as fishy about how you seem to be taking the simplest route in choosing your suspects and where to place your vote. Rysto's also pinging me. He seems hyper-defensive, a lot moreso than I remember him being normally. Usually he's a pretty cool, rational customer. Apart from him being on the texcat wagon, his vote on Silver Jan pinged me like a mother just from how he worded his post and how it came out of left field, well after the kerfuffle between her and Lightfoot was over. I'd say those two are my prime suspicions right now. My backup suspects are Suburban, Bill, and sinjin, probably in that order. My vote toDay will almost definitely come out of one of those five, unless there's some extenuating circumstances like a detective says they found scum or something.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Mar 19, 2012 15:42:57 GMT -5
curiosity. how do you determine the difference between canon and color? or are they synonymous terms to you? i doubt anyone will answer this but it does trouble the peek brain. Canon is from the actual universe, i.e. whatever wikipedia says. Color is the game, whatever storyteller writes/makes up. That's how I see it, at any rate.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 19, 2012 17:13:30 GMT -5
Work was busy this weekend, and I'm still cleaning that up so I'm not going to complain that participation has been ratcheted down a few notches.
I happen to be in agreement with Pollux regarding Pizza,Pizza. When it comes to placing and justifying votes, he seems to take a very different approach compared to his other posts, and I think the accusation of taking easy votes is spot on. I'd like to see some analysis and his take on why people may have said/done/voted as they have said/done/voted, as it applies to this game in particular and not Mafia in general.
The alleged kerosene smells are interesting. I'm not as inclined as Hal or Mahaloth to conclude that it is the result of a Scum power, assuming Hal and Peeker actually did smell what they say they've smelled and aren't somehow in cahoots. I see no reason to rule out PFK, Third Party, or a Town power at this point, and it is deja vous all over again with imho too much conjecture about the significance (or insignificance) of canon vs color vs an actual game mechanic.
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 19, 2012 17:42:29 GMT -5
hey, look guys. i wanted to get rid of pizza a while back. i ain't got not fucking problem with that currently. and this could just be whistling past the graveyard at this point but po is coming off all townie and shit.
i really never thought i would type that type of sentence in my career, btw.
fuck it let's put a vote down and see what the heck happens.
vote pizza
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Post by Mahaloth on Mar 19, 2012 18:13:42 GMT -5
Rysto's also pinging me. He seems hyper-defensive, a lot moreso than I remember him being normally. Usually he's a pretty cool, rational customer. Apart from him being on the texcat wagon, his vote on Silver Jan pinged me like a mother just from how he worded his post and how it came out of left field, well after the kerfuffle between her and Lightfoot was over. How has Rysto been hyper-defensive?
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Post by Meeko on Mar 19, 2012 18:47:51 GMT -5
curiosity. how do you determine the difference between canon and color? or are they synonymous terms to you? i doubt anyone will answer this but it does trouble the peek brain. Canon:
5 a contrapuntal musical composition in which each successively entering voice presents the initial theme usually transformed in a strictly consistent way Color:
2 a : an outward often deceptive show : appearance <his story has the color of truth>
I take canon to mean EVERYTHING that has happened to the theme BEFORE any mafia game and therefore, any Mod tinkering. Color would then come in and a Mod could throw a spanner into the works for EVERYTHING AFTER. Did you play LOST mafia, Peeks? The problem of using and relying on canon was self-evident in that game. We had begun [or at least approached] name claiming in LOST to the point that it became clear that simply knowing the name of a player's role would automatically indicate and confirm their alignment. So, to avoid obvious knee jerk reactions and deductions, better games are now built around, or to directly go against canon.
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