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Post by LightFoot on Mar 19, 2012 19:17:25 GMT -5
Monday at work was a beach. good to see I don't have 10 pages to catch up on I got a " not Scum" result last night. I know Scum knows that person is not scum, so, is there any down-side to me revealing who it was? could a 3rd party/PFK (if any) use that knowledge any way?
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 19, 2012 19:36:27 GMT -5
Monday at work was a beach. good to see I don't have 10 pages to catch up on I got a " not Scum" result last night. I know Scum knows that person is not scum, so, is there any down-side to me revealing who it was? could a 3rd party/PFK (if any) use that knowledge any way? well certainly. you don't want us to lynch your ass because you apparantly by color/canon/whatthefuckever should be scum and killed immediately. but you claim to be misunderstood or some sort of nonsense and you shaved a Day. but now you have a not scum result that potentially could give you some kudos even with the knowledge that certainly folks will circle around to your ass toDay unless you do something highly productive. based on your post you can only help town. so yeh, stay silent. AAAIIIIEEEEEE.
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 19, 2012 19:40:08 GMT -5
neta: for those who don't know me well the previous post was loaded with snark. for you non u.s. players it's kind of the southern texas version of snipe.
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Post by LightFoot on Mar 19, 2012 19:59:01 GMT -5
Monday at work was a beach. good to see I don't have 10 pages to catch up on I got a " not Scum" result last night. I know Scum knows that person is not scum, so, is there any down-side to me revealing who it was? could a 3rd party/PFK (if any) use that knowledge any way? well certainly. you don't want us to lynch your ass because you apparantly by color/canon/whatthefuckever should be scum and killed immediately. but you claim to be misunderstood or some sort of nonsense and you shaved a Day. but now you have a not scum result that potentially could give you some kudos even with the knowledge that certainly folks will circle around to your ass toDay unless you do something highly productive. based on your post you can only help town. so yeh, stay silent. AAAIIIIEEEEEE. I was asking because I was not sure if non Town players could spin it to their advantage. In case they could I WAS trying to prevent being scolded for just giving it up. I see you got the flip side of that for me.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 19, 2012 20:27:09 GMT -5
Even if someone in the game can use your investigation results in some sort of anti-Town manner, the Town won't be able to use the information at all if you die before sharing it.
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Post by LightFoot on Mar 19, 2012 20:45:40 GMT -5
Even if someone in the game can use your investigation results in some sort of anti-Town manner, the Town won't be able to use the information at all if you die before sharing it. I should have til Night or EODay anyway to live - was my train of thought
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Post by sinjin on Mar 19, 2012 20:50:55 GMT -5
Sorry for not being here. Busy, busy, real life.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 19, 2012 21:12:26 GMT -5
Please say that you aren't seriously going to need people to spell out a litany of the hypothetical ways the information could potentially be useful to Town, from right now at this very moment until just prior to whenever you are currently planning to divulge it, in order for you to divulge in sooner than that?
The Town needs information in order to succeed, not the least of which is information about you, such as who you targeted, why, and what results you received. You have information. If you were confirmed, or hadn't already fully claimed I could MAYBE see some valid reasons for divulging as much as you have about this investigation result without actually divulging all of the information, but you aren't confirmed, so I can't grock how you can justify keeping it to yourself at this point. Even the most heated of paranoid delusions about Scummy, win-stealing monsters hiding in the closet or under your bed make it hard to justify.
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Post by LightFoot on Mar 19, 2012 21:19:14 GMT -5
FFS Caution to the wind then.
scathach is not Scum
Dunno what they are. but I know what they ain't. ( unless something else came into play)
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 19, 2012 21:20:43 GMT -5
I was asking because I was not sure if non Town players could spin it to their advantage. In case they could I WAS trying to prevent being scolded for just giving it up. I see you got the flip side of that for me. oh for fuck's sake. you have information that will help town and that is at best for a push for not town. i mean scum, 3rd and pfk will already know what you fucking know for the most part. town don't have a fucking clue (for the most part). you got a not town belch the mother fucker. let's see what you come up with. matter of fact i'd kind of like to see non town whack on each other for just a bit while i catch my breath.
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 19, 2012 21:21:38 GMT -5
gotta love cross posts.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Mar 19, 2012 21:21:53 GMT -5
How has Rysto been hyper-defensive? Maybe hyper-defensive isn't the right phrase to use. It's more like...like he's overreactionary. These two posts in particular: A short digression on Mahaloth's "case" against me: it's crap. Voting for somebody because you disagree with them on a matter of strategy is just ridiculous, especially when you haven't even bothered arguing the merits of the proposal. Where's the discussion of scum motivation? Where's any evidence that he thought about that vote at all? It's completely absent. I'd send a vote back his way for that, but really that's exactly the kind of poorly-reasoned, lazy votes that townies place all the time. Well, I'm happy to report that once Silver Jan gets back she will have a name for you. However, my point here was what name could you possibly expect to hear from Jan that you think would help your case against me, when the name "Robin" isn't enough to draw your vote? Oh, wait, Lightfoot didn't vote for you. Silly me, carry on with your OMGUS. Whenever somebody posts any sort of accusation against him he gets a bit...hysterical isn't the right word but it's the only thing I'm coming up with at the moment. I apologize but apparently I've sweated out my vocabulary in this humidity. (It's way too hot for mid-March, seriously). I was asking because I was not sure if non Town players could spin it to their advantage. In case they could I WAS trying to prevent being scolded for just giving it up. I see you got the flip side of that for me. Scum already know who isn't scum. So you releasing the name of somebody that isn't scum isn't going to help them at all or give them any information they don't already have. You're not giving away their role or who they are or anything like that. The only people that it might possibly help is a PFK Serial Killer who thinks the scum are ahead and want to even the odds, but even then we've already got...6 or 7 people soft to full claimed as Town already. Any data point of not-scum we can get for lynch consideration is good. It'll also help because if we start a lynch wagon towards the person you investigated and you don't reveal the information until late, it could cause an EOD ruckus that ends up with votes every which way. I don't particularly see any advantage in keeping the information to yourself. Well, as I say that I realize scum may not know all the scum. There may be a scum traitor they're searching for and the information may help them track that particular person down. I don't know. I still think in terms of scum hunting, knowing one person most likely isn't scum is good.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Mar 19, 2012 21:22:23 GMT -5
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 19, 2012 21:22:45 GMT -5
Thanks. Any particular reason why picked scathach to investigate?
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 19, 2012 21:37:09 GMT -5
Please say that you aren't seriously going to need people to spell out a litany of the hypothetical ways the information could potentially be useful to Town, from right now at this very moment until just prior to whenever you are currently planning to divulge it, in order for you to divulge in sooner than that? The Town needs information in order to succeed, not the least of which is information about you, such as who you targeted, why, and what results you received. You have information. If you were confirmed, or hadn't already fully claimed I could MAYBE see some valid reasons for divulging as much as you have about this investigation result without actually divulging all of the information, but you aren't confirmed, so I can't grock how you can justify keeping it to yourself at this point. Even the most heated of paranoid delusions about Scummy, win-stealing monsters hiding in the closet or under your bed make it hard to justify. and now it gets fun. cookies is one of my favorite players of all times. and i know i am the most contrary ass in the universe but this just made my hackles go way the fuck up. does this just read "stock" to anyone else? i know this comes across meta but crud. i've been watching her posts the entire arfing game and they are so middle of the road as to make me twitch a touch. it's what a scum cookies would do. ain't going to move a vote but jeebuz, cooks you've got me nervousl
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 19, 2012 21:42:52 GMT -5
and what's odd that i get the same dame zing from rysto.
shit, i wouldn't mind killing thunderbolt, pizza, cookies and rysto in no fucking particular order.
other than the fact that i'd like to kill pizza first.
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 19, 2012 21:43:59 GMT -5
neta: in my universe not all primaries have to occur first.
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 19, 2012 21:45:41 GMT -5
do not fuck with pollux or gad.
at least at this point.
ullz should be safe unless for a touch as well.
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Post by LightFoot on Mar 19, 2012 21:57:58 GMT -5
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 19, 2012 22:03:15 GMT -5
Exhibit A: We had bit of unpleasantness on Day 2, if you remember, and I'm trying to stay civil.
Exhibit B: I still got a 'FFS' even when bending over backwards to be civil and even-handed just now.
In our short time playing together, LightFoot has had impeccable consistency in driving me completely up the wall and her actions/statementes make absolutely no sense to me whatsoever, but I still think it is more playstyle/cultural/reading comprehension/logic differences than her doing things that are suspicious with respect to the game, so far at least.
Are you accusing me of being middle of the road as to whether LightFoot is playing like she's an idiot or not or playing like she's scum or not? Because those are two very different things, and I'm absolutely trying very hard to stay objective on the former. The later doesn't take nearly as much effort, because I want to win and we might be on the same team.
No offense, LightFoot, though you may not believe me.
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Post by Meeko on Mar 19, 2012 22:22:31 GMT -5
<font style="font-size: 12px;">hey, look guys. i wanted to get rid of pizza a while back. i ain't got not fucking problem with that currently. and this could just be whistling past the graveyard at this point but po is coming off all townie and shit. i really never thought i would type that type of sentence in my career, btw. fuck it let's put a vote down and see what the heck happens. vote pizza The above post is a "see what the heck happens" vote. This shouldn't be allowed by any player..... and Peeker gets a pass more often than not on them. I was content to let this one pass by as well....... WAS being the key word here. <font style="font-size: 12px;"> <font style="font-size: 12px;">and what's odd that i get the same dame zing from rysto. shit, i wouldn't mind killing thunderbolt, pizza, cookies and rysto in no fucking particular order. other than the fact that i'd like to kill pizza first. And now we see the entire thought process, or lack therof. Peeker puts out a short list of people he is looking at. I can only wonder why he is doing this. However, he double downs on Pizza for no apaprent, given, or implied reason. He does this, even after stating that he wouldn't mind killing them in....... he has no preference. Yet he still wants Pizza gone. Vote Peeker. Is that an Ulterior motive in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me? Your """stir shit up""" vote would have flown, at least for me, as just that, but you've pinged me here with the later additions, and stubbornness to stick to pizza regardless.
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Post by Meeko on Mar 19, 2012 22:26:07 GMT -5
NETA:
Pollux : I'm not asking you to do this, but the thought just struck me, I wonder if your device triggers if you vote "No Lynch". Your call man, but I'm curious at this point.
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Post by Meeko on Mar 19, 2012 22:27:14 GMT -5
Neta: And what if you vote Jane Lynch..... how does that work?
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Post by LightFoot on Mar 19, 2012 22:29:55 GMT -5
in case it got lost... I didn't want to keep the information to myself... I did want to make sure there wasn't a fly in the ointment if I shared all...
I get the impression that some players think I'm not bright enough to see the nose on my face. so I was cautious.
my question was simple enough. " before I do this does anyone see a down side?"
seems to me we have had a few players that just went for it and got heat afterwards.
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Post by Meeko on Mar 19, 2012 22:36:18 GMT -5
in case it got lost... I didn't want to keep the information to myself... I did want to make sure there wasn't a fly in the ointment if I shared all... I get the impression that some players think I'm not bright enough to see the nose on my face. so I was cautious. my question was simple enough. " before I do this does anyone see a down side?" seems to me we have had a few players that just went for it and got heat afterwards. FWIW, I thought it was good practice for a dick to wait to claim after they cleared / confirmed 3 players. This could be only for full dicks, and probably in smaller games. Then again, the information handed out in this game is fast and lose, that I would almost think, at this point, it* doesn't really matter. *that is, the fact that you provided your intel. Then again, you've already done it, so it doesn't matter.
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Post by LightFoot on Mar 19, 2012 22:38:00 GMT -5
in future- if I am alive- I will keep my own counsel.
If I do find Scum ( or do not) I don't plan to announce at the beginning of the damn day.
let the game play and see who does what to whom.
I don't think there is a mechanic that can kill me in the middle of the Day
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Post by Meeko on Mar 19, 2012 23:23:45 GMT -5
I don't trust Peeker to tell me. Where are we with Peeker and someone else confirming each other? How far did the game in general get with that one? Is my vote for him as stupid as a would allow, or are many needed here?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 20, 2012 0:17:29 GMT -5
Peeker is a claimed Townie alignment confirminator who has claimed that Gad is also Town. in future- if I am alive- I will keep my own counsel. If I do find Scum ( or do not) I don't plan to announce at the beginning of the damn day. let the game play and see who does what to whom. I don't think there is a mechanic that can kill me in the middle of the Day Just so we're clear (yeah, I know, it is a funny thought) Meeko was advocating that an ideal play for a full Detective role (name and alignment) would be not to claim their role until they had banked a few investigation results. That isn't the case here, and to be fair you never really had much of a chance for ideal play because a) your name was revealed by SilverJan and b) you got some lynch pressure because of what that name was. I don't think you had much of a choice than to at least do a partial claim on Day 2. You might have been able to keep your power undisclosed for longer, but probably not without courting even more lynch pressure. I say this because it seems like perhaps you thought Meeko was telling you in post #84 that (even though you had already claimed your full role) you shouldn't have revealed your investigation results until you had more of them. And I'm pretty sure that wasn't what he was saying. Does that make you less inclined to posture as if you'd actually not share a Scummer investigation result first thing in the Morning if you had one?
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Post by Silver Jan on Mar 20, 2012 0:50:48 GMT -5
I did investigate Rysto last and I got a result. I think it would possibly more helpful if he revealed his name first and then I can confirm it.
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Post by Nanook on Mar 20, 2012 0:55:07 GMT -5
Sorry for not posting sooner, I had a serious case of the Monday's today.
I'm kinda neutral on the whole reveal your results thing with Lightfoot. There's not a ton of downsides to revealing, but there aren't a ton of upsides either unless you have a scum result or the person you got a result on is under lynch pressure. Of course, this all assumes you're Town and telling the truth, which I'm not convinced of yet.
I actually agree with Peeker about Pizza. His play this game has been terrible. I made a comment to him Yesterday about how he's been all talk about how bad Town is playing but not doing anything himself. His defense of that was basically "Scummy me would never do that!" which is of course ridiculous. I hate the reflexive "scum would totally do that!" response, since there are plenty of things scum wouldn't do, no seriously they wouldn't, but I don't think this is one of those things. And his roleclaim was marginal at best.
Vote: Askthepizzaguy
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